Post by: boneaddict on December 17, 2016, 10:43:02 AM
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Post by: jjhunter on December 17, 2016, 10:44:47 AM
Post by: whacker1 on December 17, 2016, 10:47:33 AM
I'd pound that buck in a heartbeat in WA.
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Post by: White Pass Outfitters on January 30, 2017, 10:38:25 AM
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Post by: jackelope on January 30, 2017, 11:44:23 AM
I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of I-5That buck is not getting any bigger. He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.
Post by: Timberstalker on January 30, 2017, 11:46:04 AM
I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of I-5That buck is not getting any bigger. He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.
Exactly.
Post by: jackelope on January 30, 2017, 12:33:26 PM
I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of I-5That buck is not getting any bigger. He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.
Exactly.
All the more reason someone should cull him and get rid of those crummy genetics.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on January 30, 2017, 01:05:20 PM
Just my opinion. Great picture !
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2017, 01:13:46 PM
Post by: frazierw on January 30, 2017, 01:14:24 PM
Why is it considered to be bad genetics? Is it detrimental to the buck, only having two points, or is it only that it doesn't live up to our expectations for a "trophy" buck?
My guess would be the latter.
Post by: JDHasty on January 30, 2017, 01:30:23 PM
I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of I-5That buck is not getting any bigger. He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.
That is more likely than not fact that that buck is not going to grow any more points than it has in the photo. I have seen some great two point blacktails in the last few years, and would have taken any of them if I could have right-time, right-placed them. Never could catch them where I had access when I had the tag and the season was open.
Post by: jackelope on January 30, 2017, 01:36:59 PM
Why is it considered to be bad genetics? Is it detrimental to the buck, only having two points, or is it only that it doesn't live up to our expectations for a "trophy" buck?
My guess would be the latter.
:yeah:
Sub-par in the quality antler department. At least that's what the hunting world has determined to be low quality genetics.
:dunno:
Post by: grundy53 on January 30, 2017, 01:58:30 PM
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Post by: JDHasty on January 30, 2017, 02:06:50 PM
I personally think a giant two point is more interesting and unique than a decent 4 point.
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Post by: Timberstalker on January 30, 2017, 02:08:26 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 30, 2017, 02:25:00 PM
I personally think a giant two point is more interesting and unique than a decent 4 point.:yeah: No way do I pass that deer up during late archery. I shoot what is a trophy to me and that guy definitely fits the bill.
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Post by: NRA4LIFE on January 30, 2017, 02:27:44 PM
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Post by: OutHouse on January 30, 2017, 04:49:29 PM
I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of I-5That buck is not getting any bigger. He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.
Just curious why do you think he won't get any bigger? Is there something in the photo that tells you that?
Post by: Hoythunter on January 30, 2017, 07:13:55 PM
I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of I-5That buck is not getting any bigger. He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.
Just curious why do you think he won't get any bigger? Is there something in the photo that tells you that?
That buck is mature age-wise, he's not your typical 2.5 yr 2 point. Although I don't hunt the Palouse / breaks of the snake river anymore, that country is loaded with 2pt breeder bucks. They'll never develop forks, they are and always will be 2 pointers with an occasional eye guard or sticker. The two pointers became the prodminant buck once the 3 PT or better restrictions were implemented a couple decades back.
Post by: rtspring on January 30, 2017, 07:26:19 PM
But I would blast him in a heartbeat!
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Post by: jackelope on January 31, 2017, 10:01:42 AM
I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of I-5That buck is not getting any bigger. He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.
Just curious why do you think he won't get any bigger? Is there something in the photo that tells you that?
That buck is mature age-wise, he's not your typical 2.5 yr 2 point. Although I don't hunt the Palouse / breaks of the snake river anymore, that country is loaded with 2pt breeder bucks. They'll never develop forks, they are and always will be 2 pointers with an occasional eye guard or sticker. The two pointers became the prodminant buck once the 3 PT or better restrictions were implemented a couple decades back.
What he said. That's a mature buck. He might get a little bigger, but he's not going to magically become a big 4x4. He'll be a big 2 point forever I believe.
Post by: JDHasty on January 31, 2017, 12:16:38 PM
I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of I-5That buck is not getting any bigger. He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.
Just curious why do you think he won't get any bigger? Is there something in the photo that tells you that?
That buck is mature age-wise, he's not your typical 2.5 yr 2 point. Although I don't hunt the Palouse / breaks of the snake river anymore, that country is loaded with 2pt breeder bucks. They'll never develop forks, they are and always will be 2 pointers with an occasional eye guard or sticker. The two pointers became the prodminant buck once the 3 PT or better restrictions were implemented a couple decades back.
What he said. That's a mature buck. He might get a little bigger, but he's not going to magically become a big 4x4. He'll be a big 2 point forever I believe.
That is how it usually works. By two and a half you can get a sense of what they are going to be, by three and a half they will have the general configuration, but lack length & mass and then as they age they gain mass and length and then when they get old they lose mass and length. about
Post by: OutHouse on February 01, 2017, 08:46:41 AM
Post by: emac on February 01, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. Does anyone know if the same can be said about whitetails i.e. that a whitetail's 2.5 year old antler frame won't change a whole lot years down the line?I don't know how often it happens with whitetail but I know it can. We watched a 2x2 with eyeguards for 4 years. He never grew any bigger he added mass and width but never any more points before my little brother shot him
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Post by: chinookie23 on February 01, 2017, 01:22:29 PM
Post by: JDHasty on February 01, 2017, 01:30:53 PM
Just because it is a big 2 point does not mean he will only make 2points. Good genetics for antler growth means good genetics period. he will make offspring with the same genetics not just 2 points........
Well... kind of. Offspring get half of their genes from the doe and half from the buck. And it matters whether the trait is poly genetic or not and it matters if there are both dominant and recessive genes associated with it. It's been decades since I studied genetics and it is not child's play to understand even traits that are governed by the most simple of combinations. You get into more complex traits and it is very difficult for an expert to even explain it in simplistic terms to a layman.
Post by: jackelope on February 01, 2017, 01:52:46 PM
Just because it is a big 2 point does not mean he will only make 2points. Good genetics for antler growth means good genetics period. he will make offspring with the same genetics not just 2 points........
Well... kind of. Offspring get half of their genes from the doe and half from the buck. And it matters whether the trait is poly genetic or not and it matters if there are both dominant and recessive genes associated with it. It's been decades since I studied genetics and it is not child's play to understand even traits that are governed by the most simple of combinations. You get into more complex traits and it is very difficult for an expert to even explain it in simplistic terms to a layman.
What genetics are behind the buck. What genetics are behind the doe...and even if you do explain it all and have everything right, sometimes it still turns out a 4x buck and sometimes it turns out a lifer 2 point.
Post by: GrampasGuns on February 02, 2017, 10:00:10 AM
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Post by: boneaddict on February 02, 2017, 10:17:00 AM
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Post by: Pinetar on February 02, 2017, 10:17:35 AM
Sooooo...... KABOOM if I cross paths with him :)
I missed it Bone, where was this buck? :chuckle: