Post by: JJB11B on December 23, 2016, 04:54:17 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 23, 2016, 04:56:35 PM
The title says it all, with all these new threads what's one more?
.218 bee will get the job done.
I say no restrictions at all.
Post by: JJB11B on December 23, 2016, 04:57:30 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 23, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
Many variations of “How to Ride a Dead Horse" have appeared, especially on the internet, and I don’t know who the original author is. We’ve rewritten and adapted this slightly for churches, but every organization (whether it’s business, government, educational institutions, etc.) can have a tendency to hold on to old forms long after their effectiveness has diminished or ceased entirely.
The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians—passed on from generation to generation—says that when you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.
Modern churches, however, have found a whole range of far more advanced strategies to use, such as:
1. Buying a stronger whip.
2. Changing riders.
3. Declaring, “God told us to ride this horse.”
4. Appointing a committee to study the horse.
5. Threatening the horse with termination.
6. Proclaiming, “This is the way we’ve always ridden this horse.”
7. Develop a training session to improve our riding ability.
8. Reminding ourselves that other churches ride this same kind of horse.
9. Determining that riders who don’t stay on dead horses are lazy, lack drive, and have no ambition – then replacing them.
10. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.
11. Reclassifying the horse as “living-impaired.”
12. Hiring an outside consultant to advise on how to better ride the horse.
13. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase the speed.
14. Confessing boldy, “This horse is not dead, but alive!”
15. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse’s performance.
16. Riding the dead horse “outside the box.”
17. Get the horse a Web site.
18. Killing all the other horses so the dead one doesn’t stand out.
19. Taking a positive outlook – pronouncing that the dead horse doesn’t have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead, and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the church’s budget than do some other horses.
20. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses.
21. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.
22. Name the dead horse, “paradigm shift” and keep riding it.
23. Riding the dead horse “smarter, not harder.”
24. Stating that other horses reflect compromise, and are not from God.
25. Remembering all the good times you had while riding that horse.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 23, 2016, 05:09:42 PM
Post by: Igor on December 23, 2016, 05:17:41 PM
Just deer? I knew an outfitter that only used .22-250 for elk in Montana.
Willing to bet he wouldn't let his clients do the same !!!
Post by: 2labs on December 23, 2016, 06:26:54 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 23, 2016, 06:28:09 PM
Post by: 2labs on December 23, 2016, 06:30:25 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on December 23, 2016, 06:32:37 PM
I dumped alota stuff with the ole Red rider! Leather danglies removed, of course.
Hot dang! I was literally just pumping up my 4 yr old son that the neighbors dog was easily droppable from 60 with his Red Ryder, laces still on though, he still thinks there cool!
Post by: 2labs on December 23, 2016, 06:36:25 PM
I dumped alota stuff with the ole Red rider! Leather danglies removed, of course.
Hot dang! I was literally just pumping up my 4 yr old son that the neighbors dog was easily droppable from 60 with his Red Ryder, laces still on though, he still thinks there cool!
Hey, I do have a sense of humor....Stop yelling at me! :chuckle: thx bro!
Post by: Dan-o on December 23, 2016, 07:08:33 PM
Post by: Buzz2401 on December 23, 2016, 07:12:53 PM
Post by: 2labs on December 23, 2016, 07:27:08 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 23, 2016, 07:29:23 PM
Post by: 2labs on December 23, 2016, 08:02:24 PM
This debate is making me feel uncomfortable. I'm heading to my safe space.
I'll mod this thread for ya bro! ........ :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on December 23, 2016, 11:01:07 PM
Post by: JJB11B on December 23, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
Post by: Tjv28 on December 24, 2016, 09:56:31 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 24, 2016, 11:21:37 AM
I would keep the 22-250 illegal, but I would legalize the 22-250AI because custom calibers kill animals deader.
More deader... they make animals more deader. One of these days you'll gain some good English language skills.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 24, 2016, 11:36:26 AM
We might need to make some therapy dogs available for some members, I'm thinking. :dunno:Whoohoo, dog therapy! I'm really stressed with all these threads, I'll need lots of dogs.
Post by: millerwheeler on December 24, 2016, 12:06:34 PM
As long as they aren't fired from an AR-15 platform they are ethical and should be legal
What's does the platform of the gun have anything to do with caliber???
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 24, 2016, 12:19:03 PM
As long as they aren't fired from an AR-15 platform they are ethical and should be legal
What's does the platform of the gun have anything to do with caliber???
Post by: tgomez on December 24, 2016, 12:19:31 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 24, 2016, 01:13:56 PM
I would keep the 22-250 illegal, but I would legalize the 22-250AI because custom calibers kill animals deader.
More deader... they make animals more deader. One of these days you'll gain some good English language skills.
I hope the subtlety wasn't lost on you, my friend.
I truly does.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 24, 2016, 03:45:07 PM
Seems like anything that divides and excludes one group for another's benefit, no matter how small that group is a detriment to the sport in general...
Post by: Rick on December 24, 2016, 04:16:39 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 24, 2016, 04:18:59 PM
As long as they aren't fired from an AR-15 platform they are ethical and should be legalwow,still got the ak47,sks,m1a,i think I might use a hi point carbine in 380 lock and loaded just to make u happy.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 24, 2016, 06:21:09 PM
A dude with a .22 centerfire that shoots a bunch because ammo is cheap and isn't afraid of the recoil is IMO, more ethical than a guy that closes his eyes and jerks the trigger on his .300 mag .
:yeah: or a guy that doesn't dial his rifle in before the season at all
Post by: JJB11B on December 24, 2016, 07:26:14 PM
you're missing my sarcasm manAs long as they aren't fired from an AR-15 platform they are ethical and should be legalwow,still got the ak47,sks,m1a,i think I might use a hi point carbine in 380 lock and loaded just to make u happy.
Post by: hunter399 on December 24, 2016, 08:52:05 PM
Post by: JJB11B on December 24, 2016, 09:03:42 PM
Maybe I am sorry about that ,have a great Christmas and happy New yearyou too bud!
Post by: yorketransport on December 25, 2016, 08:02:30 AM
I would keep the 22-250 illegal, but I would legalize the 22-250AI because custom calibers kill animals deader.
Truer words have never been spoken on HuntWa. :salute: I just don't trust any hunter who still uses factory ammo or overly common calibers. They probably don't take shooting serious enough and I have to assume that they're unethical.
I only support the use of either obscure, obsolete chamberings or wildcats/AI variants (the AI designs are like training wheels for wildcatters by the way) Within those parameters I don't think bore size matters. Except the .25's; that's the dumbest bore diameter out there. We should ban all 25 calibers from existence. >:(
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 25, 2016, 08:07:16 AM
I would keep the 22-250 illegal, but I would legalize the 22-250AI because custom calibers kill animals deader.
(the AI designs are like training wheels for wildcatters by the way)
Coffee all over the keyboard funny!
Post by: JeffRaines on December 25, 2016, 01:52:34 PM
Guess my biggest question is, if you allow this or any of the .22 centerfire cartridges to be the minimum for big game, can you do it so it does not eliminate the predator hunter who may choose to be out during the modern firearm seasons hunting predators from either being in violation if they don't have a modern firearm tag, or force them to not hunt?
Seems like anything that divides and excludes one group for another's benefit, no matter how small that group is a detriment to the sport in general...
Laws like this are retarded anyhow. I've heard that you can't be out predator hunting during modern with a legal deer caliber if you don't have a deer tag. What are they trying to rule out? Just like anti-gun zones and gun transfer laws don't keep guns out of criminals hands, this isn't going to stop someone who poaches. I guess someone carrying a less-than-legal caliber weapon into the field can't be hunting deer :o
Post by: JJB11B on December 25, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
Based off the 404 Jeffery case
1/6 twist and 80 Gr AMAX bullets :bfg:
I see nobody has anything on line about it.
"Take us to Ludacris speed!"
Post by: KFhunter on December 25, 2016, 03:41:18 PM
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Post by: MtnMuley on December 25, 2016, 03:57:34 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2016, 05:44:20 PM
Here's a .22 centerfireI bet there's some muzzle flash ,need a really long barrel to burn up that powder.
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Post by: Axle on December 25, 2016, 08:15:51 PM
When I hunted Montana many years ago, they had no restrictions for what you could hunt deer with. Don't know if that's changed since then.
With proper shot placement, it's going to work just fine.
I do prefer the 25/06 or the 257 Roberts when it comes to deer.
Post by: Utah on December 25, 2016, 09:37:01 PM
A dude with a .22 centerfire that shoots a bunch because ammo is cheap and isn't afraid of the recoil is IMO, more ethical than a guy that closes his eyes and jerks the trigger on his .300 mag .
bingo
Post by: Seabee Doc on December 27, 2016, 02:41:36 PM
The title says it all, with all these new threads what's one more?
.218 bee will get the job done.
I say no restrictions at all.
If you can find ammo for one...