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Title: to kill or not to kill
Post by: jdb on February 13, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
So I been seeing the hell outta coons but not shooting them. I killed one last year had it taxidermied, and really have no desire to kill anymore. but there all I seem to see and I am thinking would it be bad to just shoot them and leave'em lay? not really the way I role but whats the diffrence in shooting coyotes and leaveing them and doing the same thing with a coon? whats your take?
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 13, 2009, 08:39:41 PM
I hunt for food not sport. If you want to do some shooting shoot targets, or get a camera and challenge yourself that way. Raccoon probably will cookup just fine.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: 509er on February 13, 2009, 08:43:52 PM
 :guns:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: Ricochet on February 13, 2009, 08:46:25 PM
Simply put, the difference is coyotes eat fawns, I doubt raccoons catch too many.  
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: 509er on February 13, 2009, 09:10:19 PM
coons are hard on birds and nests
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: MHWASH on February 13, 2009, 09:17:54 PM
Coons are probably the #1 killer of eggs and chicks of your favorite game bird.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: remington300mag on February 13, 2009, 09:18:31 PM
IF I have said it once I have said it a million times! EAT THEM!!! Gut, Skin, soak in water over night....then throw them in a slow cooker bones and all, spuds,carrots,seasons and make just like a pot roast!!! I'm telling you....they are great....tastes just like BEAR!!!!

I eat them whenever I get the chance!!!!
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 13, 2009, 09:24:08 PM
I suppose we better start shooting hummingbirds beacause they eat all the nectar that the bees get to make the honey we all love to eat. Time to load up some size 20 shot for a Hummingbird shoot.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: FrankDown on February 13, 2009, 09:29:21 PM
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IF I have said it once I have said it a million times! EAT THEM!!! Gut, Skin, soak in water over night....then throw them in a slow cooker bones and all, spuds,carrots,seasons and make just like a pot roast!!! I'm telling you....they are great....tastes just like BEAR!!!!

What he just said...
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: CastleRocker on February 13, 2009, 09:46:50 PM
I've eaten them several times and I think they are exactly like bear.  If you get them when they have been feeding in the orchards, or at least eating good food, they are great.  If you get them out in the sticks by a slow moving river/slough, they don't taste that good.  Just like a bear.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: remington300mag on February 13, 2009, 10:22:35 PM
I suppose we better start shooting hummingbirds beacause they eat all the nectar that the bees get to make the honey we all love to eat. Time to load up some size 20 shot for a Hummingbird shoot.

Deep Fried Humming bird!!!! You could be onto something here....I will let you know how it turns out!!! LOL

I am just glad there are others on here that agree with the eating of them!!!! YUM!!!!
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: MuleySniper on February 13, 2009, 10:26:31 PM
I suppose we better start shooting hummingbirds beacause they eat all the nectar that the bees get to make the honey we all love to eat. Time to load up some size 20 shot for a Hummingbird shoot.

WTF?? :tree1:?

I shoot raccoons when they become a nuisance around my house. I keep my garbage cans put away, I generally feed my cat in the mornings when they are not around. Sometimes though, they become relentless. They also harass my dogs. One raccoon could easily kill my wives 9lb. dog. They are also a small game animal I believe. I don't think Ive ever seen hummingbirds in the reg book, although when I was a kid, I watched my buddy shoot one out of the air with his bb gun.
MS
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: Gutpile on February 13, 2009, 10:50:27 PM
Geez, I can see where this is going. I've never shot one but would in a heartbeat. They're filthy garbage eating, bird killing, pond raiding, disease spreading, vermin.

Kind of cute and cuddly in the movies though.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: 509er on February 13, 2009, 11:05:35 PM
 :yeah:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: mossback91 on February 13, 2009, 11:06:51 PM
raccoon is good eats.........
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 13, 2009, 11:09:05 PM
That was a joke about the humming bird. I hope you are not that Gullable. :chuckle:

I disagree with the wanton disregard for life and waste of animal life for the sheer pleasure of shooting and sport. If you shoot it eat it. If it is damaging or harming your family, pets or livelyhood then let them have it if there is no other option. Coyotes have been known to attack people and kill and drag off peoples pets. Raccoons will to but not as readily. If you are killing raccoons for sport then skin them out and feed the carcases to your dogs and cats at least.(if that is legal?)

For that matter you are even allowed by law to shoot deer and elk that are depredating your crops if all other methods fail.(I don't know why you would do that though because the state will compensate you for the damages)

Funny how it's appalling to most how the Indians will drop half a herd of elk take a little meat and leave the rest to rot and it's OK for some to shoot animals for fun and make no attempt to utilise the meat.  :twocents:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: Gutpile on February 13, 2009, 11:09:23 PM
Are you guys for real? You actually eat them? I've never heard of that.   :puke:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: remington300mag on February 13, 2009, 11:16:27 PM
I'm very serious.....If and when there is another meet put together...I will be more than glad to cook up a coon pot roast just so people can try it! It is very good....just one of those things that the thought gets in the way of the eating.....but once you try it....I guarantee you will eat it again! The meat has a very mild flavor.....and cooked right...falls right off the bone...very tender! I'm sure like bear, some are more gamier than others.....but I have never ate one that I thought tasted bad!

I think everyone should try it!!
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2009, 11:21:20 PM
I wouldn't even think about eating a raccoon.  :o

As far as killing one and leaving it in the woods, well...I'm pretty sure it won't go to waste. SOMETHING will eat it. As long as killing them isn't hurting the overall population then I don't see anything wrong with it.

What really is there to keep the raccoon population in check anyway?   :dunno:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: 509er on February 13, 2009, 11:23:15 PM
I would have a hard time eating one, hell, I dont even like to touch them after I shoot them.  But saying that, if one was cooked I would try it.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: mossback91 on February 13, 2009, 11:24:02 PM
My grandpa used to tell me groundhog tasted really good...........
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: ICEMAN on February 14, 2009, 05:04:18 AM
What really is there to keep the raccoon population in check anyway?   :dunno:

Nature.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: ICEMAN on February 14, 2009, 05:06:54 AM
I dont really have a problem with shooting racoons if they are troubling you or your property, or stealing your eggs....but if you are out in the county yote hunting...and just happen along one...let it go.... Theyre just so damned cute!  We dont have to shoot everything that we legally can...
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: bowhuntin on February 14, 2009, 05:56:35 AM
What really is there to keep the raccoon population in check anyway?   :dunno:

Nature.

So nature will take care of wolves, coyotes, raccoons, cougars and other predators?
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: Curly on February 14, 2009, 06:05:39 AM
Remember this in the news in Olympia?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/22/ap/tech/mainD8JLHKF00.shtml

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Psycho killer raccoons terrorize Olympia, devouring cats, attacking dog, frightening residents

OLYMPIA, Washington, Aug. 22, 2006

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(AP) A fierce group of raccoons has killed 10 cats, attacked a small dog and bitten at least one pet owner who had to get rabies shots, residents of Olympia say.

The cute little *censored*s do eat a lot of bird eggs from what I hear.  If I see one out where there are grouse, pheasant, or quail, I'm going to shoot it.  (And I even have a hard time shooting a coyote because I don't like to shoot things and waste them.)  I'm still not sure about eating it though  :puke: ........probably save it for one of you guys that like to eat them.

I killed a big one in my back yard last October.  My dogs (labs) had treed it (or one of its relatives) the year before and I let it walk away.  This time, I decided I'd help out the neighbors dogs and the local grouse population. ;)
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: ICEMAN on February 14, 2009, 06:13:20 AM
What really is there to keep the raccoon population in check anyway?   :dunno:

Nature.

So nature will take care of wolves, coyotes, raccoons, cougars and other predators?

Yes. To be honest with you, and you know it too, yes. Nature would take care of it all if we didnt want to be considered into the equation. Nature took good care of itself before, and would do the same again.

Nature did just fine before we were involved...

Don't think for a second that I am a granola head.... I just think that nature would reach its own balance of whatever....if left alone. The problem is that I choose to hunt. Therefore, I wish to modify and impact nature to best benefit exactly what I want to hunt. I say kill the coyotes and thin the bobcats, so the deer and grouse I hunt, in the areas I hunt benefit. I dont hunt many grouse in western wa, so I say leave the Racoons alone. If I had a farm locally, and was bothered, I would say kill the racoons.....
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: bowhuntin on February 14, 2009, 06:29:21 AM
What really is there to keep the raccoon population in check anyway?   :dunno:

Nature.

So nature will take care of wolves, coyotes, raccoons, cougars and other predators?

Yes. To be honest with you, and you know it too, yes. Nature would take care of it all if we didnt want to be considered into the equation. Nature took good care of itself before, and would do the same again.

Nature did just fine before we were involved...

Don't think for a second that I am a granola head.... I just think that nature would reach its own balance of whatever....if left alone. The problem is that I choose to hunt. Therefore, I wish to modify and impact nature to best benefit exactly what I want to hunt. I say kill the coyotes and thin the bobcats, so the deer and grouse I hunt, in the areas I hunt benefit. I dont hunt many grouse in western wa, so I say leave the Racoons alone. If I had a farm locally, and was bothered, I would say kill the racoons.....

Sure, nature did just fine when humans weren't around, but we are around and we are part of the ecosystem. Everybody talks about balance but I don't think there really is a true balance, it can be close. I think for the most part at times nature will have more than it can support until it swings more back towards the middle and for a time may be below what the ideal carrying capacity would be.

I don't think you are a granola head, nor would I think anyone on here would think that if they have been on this site for a while. I just disagree with you on killing these critters. I don't predator hunt, but some people like to do it and if you just shoot them and let them lay they will be used up by nature in some way or another. If there is enough of these critters around to hunt then I say shoot them, it isn't like they are endangered and it will benefit birds, such as grouse that are more palatable than a raccoon.

Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: billythekidrock on February 14, 2009, 06:51:30 AM
I don't think nature would be able to take care of itself if we let it go. The human population and changes/damage we have done to the land are too immense.

In the old days if a cougar (predators) couldn't find food in the hills it came to the lowlands. If the food (deer/elk/rabbits) weren't there they would starve. Now there is always food (pets/people/garbage) in the lowlands. Predators are adaptable and very seldom starve anymore.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: mossback91 on February 14, 2009, 07:27:19 AM
 :yeah: good way to say it btkr!
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2009, 08:22:09 AM
Geez Iceman, you're beginning to sound just a little bit like a PETA member.    :yike: 
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: Ricochet on February 14, 2009, 08:32:09 AM
I killed a six pack once, just to watch it die! :chuckle:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: 509er on February 14, 2009, 08:37:21 AM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on February 14, 2009, 08:41:30 AM
I used to kill alot of Wild Turkey but it always got me back. :chuckle:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: TeacherMan on February 14, 2009, 08:49:52 AM
How can you guys talk about killing the cute little guys, they are so playful and sweet.

Just kidding, kill the *censored*s... They are bird killers!!! They carry tons of paracites and oh man they can be mean. Shoot them  :mgun:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: alanger on February 14, 2009, 08:51:35 AM
How can you guys talk about killing the cute little guys, they are so playful and sweet.

Just kidding, kill the *censored*s... They are bird killers!!! They carry tons of paracites and oh man they can be mean. Shoot them  :mgun:

wow teacherman you just went from PETA to Rambo in like 2 lines.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: remington300mag on February 14, 2009, 09:06:42 AM
(((EAT THEM)))
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: bowhuntin on February 14, 2009, 09:21:58 AM
(((EAT THEM)))

Do you advocate eating coyotes, wolves, bobcats.  :puke: :puke: They are fur bearing creatures and there are better things to eat. Let scavengers and such eat that crap, nothing goes to waste that way.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: boneaddict on February 14, 2009, 09:28:06 AM
I guess it depends if you like pheasants, chukars and quail.  They kill a ton of them.  Probably a few duckeggs too
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: TeacherMan on February 14, 2009, 09:32:03 AM
I remember when I was a kid my dad was a control trapper on the Westside and I was with him on a call and we had a box trap that we managed to catch three babies/small coons in at once and when we where carrying it out of the back yard the mother came charging out of the bushes at full speed and hissing and snarling making a fuss and wasn't planning on stopping. My dad dropped the trap that he was carrying with a set of trap setters for 330 conibear and winged then at the mother. My dad is a big dude and I swear if he would have done that to an adult person they would have been dead. It split the female coons face open and just intensified her rage but stood back. She never left the yard the entire time we where in it. He would have loved to just shoot her but we where in downtown Auburn. He picked the trap up with the young one and away we went.

One of these days I will have to tell you the time that he live trapped a family of skunks in Bellevue and transported them in the back of his truck alive in rush hour traffic, oh man he got some good looks on that one.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: boneaddict on February 14, 2009, 09:34:28 AM
Hopefully he turned them lose at gregiores house.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: skybusterbo on February 14, 2009, 09:49:06 AM
Shoot the coons. Have them tanned. I've heard that crows and magpies eat a lot of bird eggs too. Shoot them all if you have the chance.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: ICEMAN on February 14, 2009, 09:57:33 AM
Geez Iceman, you're beginning to sound just a little bit like a PETA member.    :yike: 

 :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: FALFire on February 14, 2009, 11:58:20 AM
Raccoon is great and here is a little video from a real expert to tell ya'll just how good it is.

Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: skybusterbo on February 14, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: @RCHER on February 14, 2009, 12:31:56 PM
Now, now...do we have to go all "Jim Zumbo" on each other?
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: yelp on February 14, 2009, 12:57:11 PM
Kill..all vermin...Racoons also carry diseases like distemper, rabies, etc...I kill lots of them every year and have no problem letting them rot.  If I can salvage a pelt I will.  Coyotes same, skunks same, Feral Cats same, Marmots same...I also shoot the occasional porky.  Trapping and releasing does no good...it just displaces something somewhere else.  All of the s bears that they trap and release just make problems in other areas.   :twocents:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: WASHBCBOOK on February 14, 2009, 08:55:46 PM
I WENT TO MY BUDDY`S HOUSE TO EAT COON FOR THE FIRST TIME ITWAS DAMN GOOD ITS A DARK MEAT ITS ALSO STRINGY LIKE PORK JUST A LITLE DARKER MAKE SURE YOU COOK THE SOB BUT ALL IN ALL IT WAS GREAT
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: magnanimous_j on February 14, 2009, 09:11:28 PM
You guys must have different coons east of the mountains. I would never even consider eating one of the nasty, garbage eating, disease ridden pests we have over here

I would rather eat a pigeon
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: tmike on February 14, 2009, 09:14:37 PM
If nature is going to take care of over population when is it going to take care of us?  :yike:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2009, 09:20:41 PM
Good point.

Won't take much. A couple big tsunamis, a massive earthquake, California falling into the ocean, Mt Rainier erupting, that should do it. That'll be enough to keep us in check. At least here on the west coast. Maybe on other continents starvation and disease, along with other natural catastrophe's ought to do it. Oh and let's not forget global warming.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: tmike on February 14, 2009, 09:29:39 PM
or Nukes, a pandemic, meteor. If it happens it's the Coons fault.  I'm still going hunting :chuckle:
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: magnanimous_j on February 14, 2009, 09:41:55 PM
Good point.

Won't take much. A couple big tsunamis, a massive earthquake, California falling into the ocean, Mt Rainier erupting, that should do it. That'll be enough to keep us in check. At least here on the west coast. Maybe on other continents starvation and disease, along with other natural catastrophe's ought to do it. Oh and let's not forget global warming.

My vote would be pandemic. Throughout history it seems to be the most prolific man-killer. If this bird flu thing ever got off the ground, tens of millions of people could be fatally infected before the first one died. Scary stuff.
Title: Re: to kill or not to kill
Post by: FrankDown on February 16, 2009, 02:15:38 PM
I understood everything she said.  I think I have lost most of my accent lol.

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Dont get too close to him

I thought that was funny she said she went to the mill.
He asked with what/how much corn?
She said a bushel.
He said what did you come back with?
She said "Grits"...  I thought that was funny.
I think he was asking how much grits she came back with.


I had the raccoons that ate the oysters and clams and crabs.  They was good eatin.  Stuffed with sweet potatoes and crock potted, or slow cooked.  To me its like wanton waste unless it has mange or boils or something, but even deer sometimes have things wrong with them.  I have a hard time shooting yotes cause I dont eat them, but I skin them out.   I have heard that bobcat and cougar makes good jerky.  I dont shoot too many crows cause they taste like liver, I dont like liver too much, but occasionally I will eat it.

I challenge you to eat a raccoon or possum, put it in the slow cooker.  Cut it up like you would a chicken, quartered and all.  Cover it with water and put some onions and taters in there with some Lawrys or Johnnies seasoning.  Slice up some carrots.  Let the meat get done a bit before you add teh vegetables.  It will fall off the bone.  Ive eaten raccoon, possum, squirrels, marmots, and the regular stuff too like this.  You can put some cream in there too just before its ready to eat to thinken it up.

If I was hungry enough Id probably eat just about anything.  Ive cleaned animals and eat sandwiches at the same time.  I think a lot of its in your head, that wont let you eat stuff like that.  I wouldnt eat stuff that feeds out of dumpsters or in teh city, but away from the city even the pigeons are good eating.  They are rock doves after all.

I grew up on the coast and ate my share of shrimp, crabs, oysters, and clams.  Im no savage, I always cleaned my crab before I boiled them, so I didnt have to sift through guts to eat them.  Theres nothing wrong with eating "the other" animals other than what you can get down mentailly.  I used to watch the Vietnamese kids eating them big ol 3/4 inch ants by licking a broomstraw or grassblade and poking it down the hole.
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