Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
The reasons for the permanent bans aren't particularly relevant and neither is debating the validity of the bans. The point is that the bans seem to stem from an inability to understand the differences between enemies and opponents. I've brought this up before in other topics but it's just as relevant here. I've watched as forum members escalate a difference of opinions to a declaration of war. In some case it's a literal declaration of war against an opposing point of view. It's a disturbing look into the psychology of an individual when they can take the personal opinion of a relatively anonymous individual from the internet and allow it to affect them on such a personal level.
As an individual who loves a passionate debate, I'll often push a person until they break just to see how they compose themselves when their views are truly challenged. Watching how they respond tells me more about the person than the content of the response. I've seen members on here respond well when pushed and I've seen them break until their true character comes out. I'm not the only one who enjoys the sport of a good debate and it seems like a love of the "sport" is what leads to a ban in many cases.
With all that said, I think the forum has lost volumes of information with the permanent ban of both BiggerHammer and Jay-Sharkbait this year. Those familiar with them are well aware of their contributions to the knowledge and experience on this forum. While I met both of them here on HuntWA, I'm fortunate enough to know them both outside of the forum as well. Maybe that's why I have a different view on the events leading up to the ban of both of them. Love them or hate them, they were nothing more than sportsmen who were both victims of their passion for the "sport" of internet trolling. :chuckle:
So, here's to another year down and to members and friends lost here on the forum. I'm sure there are a few more victims of the lifetime ban this year. If you have somebody you'd like to remember, feel free to join in.
LLBH, LLJSB You will be missed :salute:
Edit to add: I need to step up my gun porn game; the Guns and Ammo section is slipping fast! :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 31, 2016, 10:28:34 AM
Sharkbait and hammer were some of the posters I looked forward to reading their posts...
Post by: Bean Counter on December 31, 2016, 10:42:49 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2016, 10:56:59 AM
People wouldn't get temporary bans if they didn't call people names.
Post by: Jason on December 31, 2016, 11:03:04 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 31, 2016, 11:04:18 AM
Just to clear the air, Jay.sharkbait's ban will expire in a couple days.:tup: glad he isn't gone for good!
People wouldn't get temporary bans if they didn't call people names.
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 11:10:51 AM
I had no idea either were permanently banned. What did they do?
BiggerHammer was banned in January, Jay-Sharkbait was just a few days ago. BH's troubles with the forum and a few members on here was the subject of a few heated threads, many of which have been removed or heavily edited. There's a decent summary on about page 5 of this thread, the whole thread is fairly entertaining though.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,190317.0.html
Sharkbait's ban is a bit less clear given the reasons I'm aware of. He's not entirely certain what prompted the permanent ban as the explanation he was give hasn't been relevant for nearly a year as far as we can tell. I have other thoughts on what may have contributed but they're nothing more than speculation on my part. I will say the Sharkbait's (and BiggerHammer's for that matter) opinions are very closely in line with mine on many issues. It seems to be nothing more than method of delivery that ultimately got them in trouble with the mods. I tend to word things in a way which sugar coats my condescending and pretentious tone a bit better than some other folks' more direct approach.
The reality is that the forum mods will do what they feel is best for the forum I suppose. It's been said before that the mods are individual people with individual personalities. From my perspective the bans often stem from a difference of opinions from strong personalities. Ironically they ultimately share similar opinions but they're just expressing them differently.
Just to clear the air, Jay.sharkbait's ban will expire in a couple days.
People wouldn't get temporary bans if they didn't call people names.
If that's the case, then I appologize for the misunderstanding. This is the information that we have; it was originally temporary but then changed. I removed the reason listed in the message since that's not relevant.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F92D7605A-0FBC-4857-963D-B9254A1C75E1.jpg&hash=093813e3e20fc9046dea6fc64753daea3716039a) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/92D7605A-0FBC-4857-963D-B9254A1C75E1.jpg.html)
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2016, 11:15:13 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 31, 2016, 11:18:55 AM
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 11:37:17 AM
Always cool when folks who are a touch handier with the pen than others troll them to get a reaction or, to see how they react. I'm confused on who in this scenario has the psychological issue. The troller or the person responding. Weird thing for a person to publicly post about themselves.
It's the person responding. The reality is that getting a passionate response is always entertaining and ultimately the goal. On occasion the responses take a dramatic turn giving a more accurate portrayal of the individuals real personality. It's kind of like interacting with a co-worker outside of the workplace. Who I am when I'm with my kids is the real me, who I am at work is often very different. There are occasions where the two "personalities" cross giving my customers a slightly different view of who I am. Fortunately for me, my true personality is a better version of the work me. On the internet I've found that more often than not an individual's "true" personality is much less appealing than their online persona. I could give specific examples but I don't think that would accomplish much here.
Think of it like internet dating. Everybody posts their most desirable pictures and thoughts on a dating website. When you see the reality though you get instant buyers remorse! :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on December 31, 2016, 11:43:33 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on December 31, 2016, 11:46:31 AM
Post by: rtspring on December 31, 2016, 11:47:07 AM
Its simple, Dales site=Dales rules!
I learned real quick!
Post by: rtspring on December 31, 2016, 11:52:29 AM
I'm still here :chuckle:
Its simple, Dougs site=Dougs rules!
I learned real quick!
Doug, Dale, what's the difference.
Unless bone bought out..... :yike:
Oops! Fixed it.. Ha ha
Post by: 92xj on December 31, 2016, 11:56:26 AM
Oops! Fixed it.. Ha ha
Deleted my post :)
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 12:06:43 PM
I suppose the babysitter might have a different opinion than the drama club seeking cheap entertainment no matter the expense. Expertise has been noted but there seems to be a lack of social skill out on the playground.
I don't disagree. I think of it this way: All breeds of dogs have different personalities. We all accept that some breeds need to be entertained or occupied constantly to prevent destructive behavior. This doesn't necessarily make one breed better than the others. It simply shows that sometimes a GSP isn't the right choice for an avid hunter who works all day and lives in an apartment. The GSP will tear that place apart (often but not always) if it doesn't have an outlet for it's natural drive and energy. That doesn't make it a bad breed like some would believe. The banned former members are very similar. This site just didn't seem to mesh with their personalities or styles. That doesn't detract from the positive qualities, but it also can't necessarily over ride the negative ones. It just means that this wasn't the right home for them.
Twisted perception of an internet reality dude.
Or is the "internet reality" a twisted perception of the actual reality? Online, everyone is 6' 5", looks like Adonis and is an expert in everything that Google and Wikipedia can validate. To carry over Boneaddict's playground analogy, when you understand the playground, you look at the games a little differently. Social media is a fascinating social experiment if you sit back and watch.
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2016, 12:10:03 PM
I fought pretty dang hard in the wolf section of the forum for a long time before my mod days with just as much passion as anyone here, got some warnings, almost banned probably, but mostly everyone's still here even though the debate has quieted down (even wolfbait) but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.
Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away. Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 31, 2016, 12:27:28 PM
I'm still here :chuckle:
Its simple, Dales site=Dales rules!
I learned real quick!
How? :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: kentrek on December 31, 2016, 12:27:51 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 31, 2016, 12:31:31 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 31, 2016, 12:33:48 PM
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 12:37:26 PM
but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.
Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away. Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated.
Part of this comes from the amount of mis-information that pops up in that section. There are so many discouraging half-truths stated in that section that it's genuinely frustrating at times. We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. The most prevalent debates in that section and others stem from imposing one person's personal ethics (or limitations) on others. That's discouraging to new shooters and hunters.
Age wise I fall into no man's land being 35. It's hard to deny the changing demographic of the sport as younger shooters get interested. It's possible that this site is simply catering to a more traditional group of shooters. By doing that though, you're already choosing to discourage an up and coming class of shooters. Doing that does nothing to help boost add revenue.
The reality is that I've considered paying for add space on this site in the past and will certainly do so again in the future. The tone of this site sometimes discourages Jay.Sharkbait, BiggerHammer and myself from doing so though. There is no way to quantify the value of revenue either generated or lost based on individual members. Perhaps the potential revenue lost by the three of us not purchasing add space on this site will be off set by the more frequent use of those individuals driven away by the absence of former members. Again, hoping to gain future revenue based on decisions made today falls under the realm of risk analysis which isn't my forte. I just hope that it is the specialty of others on here making decisions.
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2016, 12:39:02 PM
As for the rest what is this "we" stuff??
There's very little moderator or admin influencement in the shooting section of the forum, as with all forums it is what the members make it. As leading members of a particular section if you want it to be a positive learning environment (conducive to money being spent) then my advice is be an ambassador to the sport not a detractor. (not pointing a finger at you in particular YT)
Post by: Bean Counter on December 31, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
...We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. ..
There was a discussion about AR's and hunting yesterday. I for one stated that I find them less sporting than my bolt action rifle, but not necessarily that use of them is unethical/should be outlawed. Not necessarily saying this to you, York, but people need to keep their panties on straight before they read one word and interpret it as another. :twocents:
Post by: boneaddict on December 31, 2016, 12:48:16 PM
You seem eloquently spoken enough, you can probably discern the difference. A chest thumping ankle biter constantly harassing clients, or the neighborhood, will eventually be put down. (Love the dog analogy).
It's very difficult to be permanently banned, as Dale is one of the most thoughtful, forgiving folks I know of. It takes some kind of special to get yourself in that predictament unless you post kiddy porn or threaten to kill or inflict bodily harm.
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2016, 01:09:59 PM
Before I say this, I will say that there is pretty much nobody on this forum I have respected more from a firearms knowledge standpoint than you and the 2 guys you started this thread about. You guys have literally forgotten more than I will ever know. I have talked to BH on the phone multiple times, bought stuff from him, learned from him and generally appreciate his immense knowledge base he's willing to share. Same for jay.sharkbait. I've talked to him on the phone, bounced questions off of him, etc. Nothing but great learning experiences with the guy. I've never spoke to you in person or on the phone I don't think, but I've read a ton of what you've written on here and have learned from it all. Dale has made it known recently that he would allow BH back on here. Pretty sure that's still in the discussion phase, and honestly I'm not sure if BH would want to come back.
Now.....
These are my opinions and not those of the forum. Not sure why I feel like I need to say that, but I will. It's 2016 after all.
The series of posts that got jay.sharkbait banned have all been deleted. He made a controversial/some would call it inappropriate comment and some people jumped on him about it. One of those folks who jumped on him is a hunt-wa career instigator. He just can't leave well enough alone. He comes out of nowhere with a comment that is meant to instigate and get peoples' hackles up. In my experience, he knows how to do it just enough where he gets people fired up yet doesn't do anything to break the rules. Last time this happened, jay.sharkbait reacted and called him a dbag, which is a clear violation of the rules and because of that, he was given a 7 day ban. Based on previous ban history and the protocol Dale has for that, he should've gotten a 30 day ban, but he didn't. He only got 7. I banned him and it was my decision the time frame to give him. The other mods supported that. It would be cool if folks could display their passion for this sort of stuff without name calling. I wish this unnamed member would just knock it off. There's no point to it and it really gets old. Really old. The mods and owner of the forum are sick of dealing with it and the name keeps coming back up regularly.
In the end, it would be cool if people could not be instigators and troublemakers. We're pretty much all adults here and we're all here to enjoy the forum and talk about stuff we all love. Yes, there will be a difference of opinion, mistakes made, things learned, but in the end we're all adults and it would be great if we acted as such. The moderators here all do the work we do for free, and all this trouble does is creates more work for a bunch of good folks who get nothing out of it other than criticism in the form of threads like this. Again, nothing but more drama.
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
misinformation? :chuckle: have you took a gander in the wolf forums?
As for the rest what is this "we" stuff??
There's very little moderator or admin influencement in the shooting section of the forum, as with all forums it is what the members make it. As leading members of a particular section if you want it to be a positive learning environment (conducive to money being spent) then my advice is be an ambassador to the sport not a detractor. (not pointing a finger at you in particular YT)
Personally I feel like there are other members that I hope read the part I have highlighted. There really is a great knowledge base here.
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2016, 01:39:01 PM
but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.
Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away. Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated.
Part of this comes from the amount of mis-information that pops up in that section. There are so many discouraging half-truths stated in that section that it's genuinely frustrating at times. We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. The most prevalent debates in that section and others stem from imposing one person's personal ethics (or limitations) on others. That's discouraging to new shooters and hunters.
Age wise I fall into no man's land being 35. It's hard to deny the changing demographic of the sport as younger shooters get interested. It's possible that this site is simply catering to a more traditional group of shooters. By doing that though, you're already choosing to discourage an up and coming class of shooters. Doing that does nothing to help boost add revenue.
The reality is that I've considered paying for add space on this site in the past and will certainly do so again in the future. The tone of this site sometimes discourages Jay.Sharkbait, BiggerHammer and myself from doing so though. There is no way to quantify the value of revenue either generated or lost based on individual members. Perhaps the potential revenue lost by the three of us not purchasing add space on this site will be off set by the more frequent use of those individuals driven away by the absence of former members. Again, hoping to gain future revenue based on decisions made today falls under the realm of risk analysis which isn't my forte. I just hope that it is the specialty of others on here making decisions.
I wasn't talking about HW site sponsor money, that didn't even cross my mind and the threat of withholding that piddly fee is laughable at best. I was talking about money being driven away from small local businesses in the shooting industry, businesses that might want their products in your hands so you can spread the word how awesome it is.
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 01:48:32 PM
I heard you Josh, I know I haven't been helpful with the sarcasm... my badmisinformation? :chuckle: have you took a gander in the wolf forums?
As for the rest what is this "we" stuff??
There's very little moderator or admin influencement in the shooting section of the forum, as with all forums it is what the members make it. As leading members of a particular section if you want it to be a positive learning environment (conducive to money being spent) then my advice is be an ambassador to the sport not a detractor. (not pointing a finger at you in particular YT)
Personally I feel like there are other members that I hope read the part I have highlighted. There really is a great knowledge base here.
Post by: dscubame on December 31, 2016, 02:00:00 PM
Stick around or not it really is no big deal. Not to be rude but it's like the employee at a company that thinks it will be so different without them, really it won't and never is.
Go down the rabbit hole as deep as you wish while at the end of the day Hunt Wa goes on.
There are other forums that allow crazy more nonsense than Hunt WA does while others extremely less and this Hunt Wa sits right in the middle thanks to the moderator structure
Post by: dscubame on December 31, 2016, 02:04:10 PM
Post by: huntandjeep on December 31, 2016, 02:32:45 PM
And I do wish BH would come back.:yeah:. I always enjoyed Hammers gun pics and his knowledge ( yeah he ruffled some feathers big deal ). Same as Sharkbaits.
On a Jeep forum I'm also on there is one guy that comes off rude , arrogant whatever you want to call it. He doesn't spoon feed you answers to questions you ask he tells you exactly why something sucks or won't work or was a waste of $. Yet you call him on the phone and he will spend hours helping you figure out what needs to be done .
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 31, 2016, 02:57:56 PM
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 03:06:41 PM
but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.
Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away. Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated.
Part of this comes from the amount of mis-information that pops up in that section. There are so many discouraging half-truths stated in that section that it's genuinely frustrating at times. We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. The most prevalent debates in that section and others stem from imposing one person's personal ethics (or limitations) on others. That's discouraging to new shooters and hunters.
Age wise I fall into no man's land being 35. It's hard to deny the changing demographic of the sport as younger shooters get interested. It's possible that this site is simply catering to a more traditional group of shooters. By doing that though, you're already choosing to discourage an up and coming class of shooters. Doing that does nothing to help boost add revenue.
The reality is that I've considered paying for add space on this site in the past and will certainly do so again in the future. The tone of this site sometimes discourages Jay.Sharkbait, BiggerHammer and myself from doing so though. There is no way to quantify the value of revenue either generated or lost based on individual members. Perhaps the potential revenue lost by the three of us not purchasing add space on this site will be off set by the more frequent use of those individuals driven away by the absence of former members. Again, hoping to gain future revenue based on decisions made today falls under the realm of risk analysis which isn't my forte. I just hope that it is the specialty of others on here making decisions.
I wasn't talking about HW site sponsor money, that didn't even cross my mind and the threat of withholding that piddly fee is laughable at best. I was talking about money being driven away from small local businesses in the shooting industry, businesses that might want their products in your hands so you can spread the word how awesome it is.
Reffering to banner add sponsorship money as piddley sends a bad massage to those small local businesses who spend their limited advertising budget on add space here. Then in the next sentence you make reference to the money being driven away from the same business who's money you just belittled. This type of attitude presented by a forum moderator is what pushes the revenue elsewhere. Don't worry, I won't embarrass myself by giving my money to the forum. I'll make sure your sentiments are passed on to a handful of the other sponsors who're currently spending a piddly and laughable sum of money on add space here. :rolleyes:
It did occur to me that the same sort of behavior that will get an individual banned from HuntWa is the same behavior that will get you elected as president. It appears being brash, abrasive, verbally abusive, opinionated and crude uniquely qualifies somebody to lead the nation. Dare I say that we need a leader like that on HuntWa to make the site great again?
I should probably point out that the original nature of this entire post was as a tounge-in-cheek commentary more than anything. The business of running the forum isn't mine to worry about fortunately. I just come here because I get destructive if left at home alone for extended periods of time. :chuckle:
Post by: dscubame on December 31, 2016, 03:14:01 PM
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 03:17:46 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on December 31, 2016, 03:26:45 PM
If there are any others, let's look back on them as well. It's doubtful that there are any other personalities on here as polarizing as BH was though. :chuckle:Oh I can think of one maybe a couple more.
Sent from my super duper thingamajig
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 03:35:40 PM
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 03:36:55 PM
I just wish the instigators would get similar punishment. They full well know what they are doing but they sneak around the rules just enough to not get in trouble. We need to call a spade a spade and slap them with a ban just the same. I can post a list of names if you'd like :chuckle:steve.miller?
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2016, 04:26:01 PM
but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.
Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away. Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated.
Part of this comes from the amount of mis-information that pops up in that section. There are so many discouraging half-truths stated in that section that it's genuinely frustrating at times. We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. The most prevalent debates in that section and others stem from imposing one person's personal ethics (or limitations) on others. That's discouraging to new shooters and hunters.
Age wise I fall into no man's land being 35. It's hard to deny the changing demographic of the sport as younger shooters get interested. It's possible that this site is simply catering to a more traditional group of shooters. By doing that though, you're already choosing to discourage an up and coming class of shooters. Doing that does nothing to help boost add revenue.
The reality is that I've considered paying for add space on this site in the past and will certainly do so again in the future. The tone of this site sometimes discourages Jay.Sharkbait, BiggerHammer and myself from doing so though. There is no way to quantify the value of revenue either generated or lost based on individual members. Perhaps the potential revenue lost by the three of us not purchasing add space on this site will be off set by the more frequent use of those individuals driven away by the absence of former members. Again, hoping to gain future revenue based on decisions made today falls under the realm of risk analysis which isn't my forte. I just hope that it is the specialty of others on here making decisions.
I wasn't talking about HW site sponsor money, that didn't even cross my mind and the threat of withholding that piddly fee is laughable at best. I was talking about money being driven away from small local businesses in the shooting industry, businesses that might want their products in your hands so you can spread the word how awesome it is.
Reffering to banner add sponsorship money as piddley sends a bad massage to those small local businesses who spend their limited advertising budget on add space here. Then in the next sentence you make reference to the money being driven away from the same business who's money you just belittled. This type of attitude presented by a forum moderator is what pushes the revenue elsewhere. Don't worry, I won't embarrass myself by giving my money to the forum. I'll make sure your sentiments are passed on to a handful of the other sponsors who're currently spending a piddly and laughable sum of money on add space here. :rolleyes:
It did occur to me that the same sort of behavior that will get an individual banned from HuntWa is the same behavior that will get you elected as president. It appears being brash, abrasive, verbally abusive, opinionated and crude uniquely qualifies somebody to lead the nation. Dare I say that we need a leader like that on HuntWa to make the site great again?
I should probably point out that the original nature of this entire post was as a tounge-in-cheek commentary more than anything. The business of running the forum isn't mine to worry about fortunately. I just come here because I get destructive if left at home alone for extended periods of time. :chuckle:
I wear the little banner "My opinion does not reflect the official opinion of HW" just for instances like these when I make a mistake. It's not a perfect shield nor gives me carte' blanche to say what I want though. Thank you for pointing that out by the way although it's a clever distraction from the true intent of the message and blown out of proportion like a clever debater would do. My intent was not to make light of current and future sponsors I think you knew that. I shouldn't have said "piddley".
Politics belong in OT, I just got done warning some folks who like to talk about politics to keep it there, especially after this last election cycle nerves are especially raw when it comes to politics.
I didn't take this thread as "tongue and cheek" but rather a beat around the bush critique of the moderator team on HW.
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2016, 04:28:59 PM
Is Steve.Miller coming back too?
He is no more....or is he......
He may or may not have reincarnated himself depending on who you ask. Possibly the direction of the wind may affect that.
Post by: Becky on December 31, 2016, 04:37:33 PM
Reffering to banner add sponsorship money as piddley sends a bad massage to those small local businesses who spend their limited advertising budget on add space here. Then in the next sentence you make reference to the money being driven away from the same business who's money you just belittled. This type of attitude presented by a forum moderator is what pushes the revenue elsewhere. Don't worry, I won't embarrass myself by giving my money to the forum. I'll make sure your sentiments are passed on to a handful of the other sponsors who're currently spending a piddly and laughable sum of money on add space here. :rolleyes:
KF can correct me if I'm wrong but I read it as him not calling the business owner's money "piddly", but referring to the fee that Dale charges. It really is a piddly amount in comparison to many other forums, Dale is very generous in allowing advertising for only $50 a year. Many other forums make big bucks on their fees for this.
I think everyone is missing two very important parts that have been mentioned:
1) Jay.Sharkbait is only temporarily banned, he'll be back in a couple more days.
2) "Dale has made it known recently that he would allow BH back on here."
It's almost 2017, can't we make a resolution to just be nicer to each other and realize how fragile life actually is. Why waste such effort arguing with internet strangers who we might actually befriend in real life.
Post by: Crunchy on December 31, 2016, 04:39:35 PM
Hard to believe some people get that worked up over an internet post they end up getting the boot from huntwa. Just click on the little X at the top right of the screen and carry on.
Post by: KFhunter on December 31, 2016, 04:45:18 PM
Reffering to banner add sponsorship money as piddley sends a bad massage to those small local businesses who spend their limited advertising budget on add space here. Then in the next sentence you make reference to the money being driven away from the same business who's money you just belittled. This type of attitude presented by a forum moderator is what pushes the revenue elsewhere. Don't worry, I won't embarrass myself by giving my money to the forum. I'll make sure your sentiments are passed on to a handful of the other sponsors who're currently spending a piddly and laughable sum of money on add space here. :rolleyes:
KF can correct me if I'm wrong but I read it as him not calling the business owner's money "piddly", but referring to the fee that Dale charges. It really is a piddly amount in comparison to many other forums, Dale is very generous in allowing advertising for only $50 a year. Many other forums make big bucks on their fees for this.
I think everyone is missing two very important parts that have been mentioned:
1) Jay.Sharkbait is only temporarily banned, he'll be back in a couple more days.
2) "Dale has made it known recently that he would allow BH back on here."
It's almost 2017, can't we make a resolution to just be nicer to each other and realize how fragile life actually is. Why waste such effort arguing with internet strangers who we might actually befriend in real life.
He has to come back as littlehammer though
j/k couldn't resist :o
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 31, 2016, 04:52:34 PM
Bighammer is coming back as Littlehammer. :IBCOOL:
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2016, 04:57:14 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2016, 05:00:28 PM
Have you read any of the post from the one from the last year?He was quite the instigator.
I have, @Oh Mah . Pretty sure I know who you're referring to anyway.
Is Steve.Miller coming back too?
He is no more....or is he......
He may or may not have reincarnated himself depending on who you ask. Possibly the direction of the wind may affect that.
:dunno:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 31, 2016, 05:02:51 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
So the instigator got away without any discipline? Something doesn't seem right there.
He didn't technically break any rules, but he will be watched a lot closer now.
Post by: Alchase on December 31, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
:whoo: :whoo:
Bighammer is coming back as Littlehammer. :IBCOOL:
Wouldn't that be "littlerhammer" ?
Just saying, LOL
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 05:27:54 PM
contantly starting serious crap slinging should be against the rules. There is a difference between being a smart___ and starting crap all the time. Just my opinion thereSo the instigator got away without any discipline? Something doesn't seem right there.
He didn't technically break any rules, but he will be watched a lot closer now.
Post by: Russ McDonald on December 31, 2016, 05:30:45 PM
At first when I joined the forum I took things personal and got po'd a lot. Then I realized I am arguing with someone that I don't even know on a keyboard. I have learned over the years that it sometimes just isn't worth it and just change the channel. :chuckle:. I have also learned a wealth of knowledge off of this forum both from young and old. I am still learning about hunting in this state. I am not an expert on a lot of stuff so I tend to keep my ears open and mouth shut. I will tell you this though I don't BS around. If I know it I will tell you if I don't I will find out before I say anything. Have a Happy New Year everyone :tup:
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 05:32:13 PM
Investing, and buying leniency are two different things.
You seem eloquently spoken enough, you can probably discern the difference. A chest thumping ankle biter constantly harassing clients, or the neighborhood, will eventually be put down. (Love the dog analogy).
It's very difficult to be permanently banned, as Dale is one of the most thoughtful, forgiving folks I know of. It takes some kind of special to get yourself in that predictament unless you post kiddy porn or threaten to kill or inflict bodily harm.
It's important that this comment doesn't get entirely over looked. While you and I know that this comment isn't at all relevant to the current conversation, not everyone else does. Could you do us all a favor and clarify that you understand that NONE of those reasons were factors in the ban of Jay.sharkbait. Those are dangerous comments to indirectly imply which is what you did there.
I wear the little banner "My opinion does not reflect the official opinion of HW" just for instances like these when I make a mistake. It's not a perfect shield nor gives me carte' blanche to say what I want though. Thank you for pointing that out by the way although it's a clever distraction from the true intent of the message and blown out of proportion like a clever debater would do. My intent was not to make light of current and future sponsors I think you knew that. I shouldn't have said "piddley".
Politics belong in OT, I just got done warning some folks who like to talk about politics to keep it there, especially after this last election cycle nerves are especially raw when it comes to politics.
I didn't take this thread as "tongue and cheek" but rather a beat around the bush critique of the moderator team on HW.
You may give me more credit than I deserve in some respects and not enough in others. ;) I rarely beat around the bush when being critical of others; passive aggressive isn't my thing. Subtle, negative spin on factual events is more my style. It's classier! :tup:
Post by: Dan-o on December 31, 2016, 05:36:16 PM
but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.
Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away. Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated.
Part of this comes from the amount of mis-information that pops up in that section. There are so many discouraging half-truths stated in that section that it's genuinely frustrating at times. We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. The most prevalent debates in that section and others stem from imposing one person's personal ethics (or limitations) on others. That's discouraging to new shooters and hunters.
Age wise I fall into no man's land being 35. It's hard to deny the changing demographic of the sport as younger shooters get interested. It's possible that this site is simply catering to a more traditional group of shooters. By doing that though, you're already choosing to discourage an up and coming class of shooters. Doing that does nothing to help boost add revenue.
The reality is that I've considered paying for add space on this site in the past and will certainly do so again in the future. The tone of this site sometimes discourages Jay.Sharkbait, BiggerHammer and myself from doing so though. There is no way to quantify the value of revenue either generated or lost based on individual members. Perhaps the potential revenue lost by the three of us not purchasing add space on this site will be off set by the more frequent use of those individuals driven away by the absence of former members. Again, hoping to gain future revenue based on decisions made today falls under the realm of risk analysis which isn't my forte. I just hope that it is the specialty of others on here making decisions.
I wasn't talking about HW site sponsor money, that didn't even cross my mind and the threat of withholding that piddly fee is laughable at best. I was talking about money being driven away from small local businesses in the shooting industry, businesses that might want their products in your hands so you can spread the word how awesome it is.
Reffering to banner add sponsorship money as piddley sends a bad massage to those small local businesses who spend their limited advertising budget on add space here. Then in the next sentence you make reference to the money being driven away from the same business who's money you just belittled. This type of attitude presented by a forum moderator is what pushes the revenue elsewhere. Don't worry, I won't embarrass myself by giving my money to the forum. I'll make sure your sentiments are passed on to a handful of the other sponsors who're currently spending a piddly and laughable sum of money on add space here. :rolleyes:
It did occur to me that the same sort of behavior that will get an individual banned from HuntWa is the same behavior that will get you elected as president. It appears being brash, abrasive, verbally abusive, opinionated and crude uniquely qualifies somebody to lead the nation. Dare I say that we need a leader like that on HuntWa to make the site great again?
I should probably point out that the original nature of this entire post was as a tounge-in-cheek commentary more than anything. The business of running the forum isn't mine to worry about fortunately. I just come here because I get destructive if left at home alone for extended periods of time. :chuckle:
Yorke,
It's obvious that you're hurt that you lost your playground buddy, but it's also becoming clear that you weren't just after some retrospection.
This last post makes it pretty clear that you wish to extract some revenge.
Why else would you threaten to hurt the sites advertising revenue?
You need to grow up. Your BFF got banned.
Personally, I hope BH comes back because he does have a LOT to offer. But that is not up to me.
In the mean time, you really need to get over it and quit trying to stir drama or exact a price.
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2016, 05:45:17 PM
Investing, and buying leniency are two different things.
You seem eloquently spoken enough, you can probably discern the difference. A chest thumping ankle biter constantly harassing clients, or the neighborhood, will eventually be put down. (Love the dog analogy).
It's very difficult to be permanently banned, as Dale is one of the most thoughtful, forgiving folks I know of. It takes some kind of special to get yourself in that predictament unless you post kiddy porn or threaten to kill or inflict bodily harm.
It's important that this comment doesn't get entirely over looked. While you and I know that this comment isn't at all relevant to the current conversation, not everyone else does. Could you do us all a favor and clarify that you understand that NONE of those reasons were factors in the ban of Jay.sharkbait. Those are dangerous comments to indirectly imply which is what you did there.
I wear the little banner "My opinion does not reflect the official opinion of HW" just for instances like these when I make a mistake. It's not a perfect shield nor gives me carte' blanche to say what I want though. Thank you for pointing that out by the way although it's a clever distraction from the true intent of the message and blown out of proportion like a clever debater would do. My intent was not to make light of current and future sponsors I think you knew that. I shouldn't have said "piddley".
Politics belong in OT, I just got done warning some folks who like to talk about politics to keep it there, especially after this last election cycle nerves are especially raw when it comes to politics.
I didn't take this thread as "tongue and cheek" but rather a beat around the bush critique of the moderator team on HW.
You may give me more credit than I deserve in some respects and not enough in others. ;) I rarely beat around the bush when being critical of others; passive aggressive isn't my thing. Subtle, negative spin on factual events is more my style. It's classier! :tup:
You guys are taking things out of context. Read the whole statement that Bone made. It wasn't implying anything at all directed at jay.sharkbait. Here it is.
It's very difficult to be permanently banned, as Dale is one of the most thoughtful, forgiving folks I know of. It takes some kind of special to get yourself in that predictament unless you post kiddy porn or threaten to kill or inflict bodily harm.
Jay.sharkbait got a temporary 7 day ban for calling another member a dbag. I banned him for that reason and that reason alone. In reply #25, I clarified that point and now I've clarified it again.
Boneaddict made a comment about permanently banned members, which jay.sharkbait is clearly not. We've clarified that as well.
This whole discussion wouldn't even be an issue and no clarifications would have to be made had this whole thread never been started in the first place.
Post by: SniperDanWA on December 31, 2016, 05:49:38 PM
Not stirring the pot, but why can't some folks just SAGOTP? Instead we antagonize each other, but that's what the off hunting months do to us. We go crazy because there is not much to talk about.
I'm not a big Internet keyboard know it all/bully/slacker, but I know many on here who sure seem to fall into these various categories.
Again, I miss KC and BH.
Post by: Dan-o on December 31, 2016, 05:50:48 PM
Investing, and buying leniency are two different things.
You seem eloquently spoken enough, you can probably discern the difference. A chest thumping ankle biter constantly harassing clients, or the neighborhood, will eventually be put down. (Love the dog analogy).
It's very difficult to be permanently banned, as Dale is one of the most thoughtful, forgiving folks I know of. It takes some kind of special to get yourself in that predictament unless you post kiddy porn or threaten to kill or inflict bodily harm.
It's important that this comment doesn't get entirely over looked. While you and I know that this comment isn't at all relevant to the current conversation, not everyone else does. Could you do us all a favor and clarify that you understand that NONE of those reasons were factors in the ban of Jay.sharkbait. Those are dangerous comments to indirectly imply which is what you did there.
I wear the little banner "My opinion does not reflect the official opinion of HW" just for instances like these when I make a mistake. It's not a perfect shield nor gives me carte' blanche to say what I want though. Thank you for pointing that out by the way although it's a clever distraction from the true intent of the message and blown out of proportion like a clever debater would do. My intent was not to make light of current and future sponsors I think you knew that. I shouldn't have said "piddley".
Politics belong in OT, I just got done warning some folks who like to talk about politics to keep it there, especially after this last election cycle nerves are especially raw when it comes to politics.
I didn't take this thread as "tongue and cheek" but rather a beat around the bush critique of the moderator team on HW.
You may give me more credit than I deserve in some respects and not enough in others. ;) I rarely beat around the bush when being critical of others; passive aggressive isn't my thing. Subtle, negative spin on factual events is more my style. It's classier! :tup:
Jay.sharkbait got a temporary 7 day ban for calling another member a dbag. I banned him for that reason and that reason alone.
And you shouldn't have had to state that.
You DID NOT indirectly imply what Yorke accused you of. Yorke is just trolling because he misses his BFF. Personally, I find it pretty disgusting that Yorke would stoop to this kind of trolling. I don't give a rip how much someone knows if they can't channel their knowledge for good. Guess I'm not very good at being subtle, either.
Post by: bearpaw on December 31, 2016, 05:53:43 PM
The only reason any member gets banned at all is if they break the rules. The only reason any member gets permanently banned is because they repeatedly refuse to follow our simple rules and get banned repeatedly before finally getting a permanent ban.
Forum Rules: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,163263.0.html
I really don't have a problem with anyone who has been banned for a year or more (except spammers, psychos, etc) to have another chance to participate on the forum. We have allowed some past members back on the forum who had been permanently banned and it has worked out fine, those that refuse to follow the rules when they return can be banned again if needed. Anyone wishing to participate on the forum who has been banned for a year or longer can contact me by email at dale@bearpawoutfitters.com and I'll discuss lifting the ban with the moderator team.
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 05:54:55 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on December 31, 2016, 05:55:43 PM
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 05:57:18 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2016, 06:02:27 PM
I cant remember if I have been banned or not. I know I got a warning today cuz I screwed up and implied profanity in a post :sry: can anyone check and jog my memory?
You've never been banned.
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 06:03:43 PM
according to my old platoon Sgt. I'll never make a good Mod. ThenI cant remember if I have been banned or not. I know I got a warning today cuz I screwed up and implied profanity in a post :sry: can anyone check and jog my memory?
You've never been banned.
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 06:10:19 PM
Yorke,
It's obvious that you're hurt that you lost your playground buddy, but it's also becoming clear that you weren't just after some retrospection.
This last post makes it pretty clear that you wish to extract some revenge.
Why else would you threaten to hurt the sites advertising revenue?
You need to grow up. Your BFF got banned.
Personally, I hope BH comes back because he does have a LOT to offer. But that is not up to me.
In the mean time, you really need to get over it and quit trying to stir drama or exact a price.
I'll refer back to my comment about folks either giving me too much credit, or not enough.
As far as extracting some sort of revenge on the forum, that's hardly the case. If you re-read what I said, I clearly state that I had considered purchasing add space and will likely consider it again at some point. My comments were more of a suggestion that KFhunter's comments could easily be taken out of context and shown to be anti advertiser/sponsor. Think of it as a teachable moment for all involved!
I think I'll go back to the guns and ammo section where I belong before this dumpster fire gets any more out of hand. :camp: I can't think of a better way to sum up my actual views and opinions on this than I already did earlier in this thread, I love the internet. Happy New Years every one! :hello: :chuckle:
To carry over Boneaddict's playground analogy, when you understand the playground, you look at the games a little differently. Social media is a fascinating social experiment if you sit back and watch.
Post by: MtnMuley on December 31, 2016, 06:15:53 PM
This site can't afford to lose another damn knowledgeable gun guru like yourself. Losing 2 was bad enough.
Post by: bearpaw on December 31, 2016, 06:19:50 PM
I bought good items from hammer, I have asked hammer questions and was given good information that helped, and I miss reading hammer's informative posts. I didn't want to see hammer perma banned but he repeatedly violated the rules even after being warned of the consequences. Only one person is responsible for hammer getting banned, that person was hammer himself. We've allowed members who had been perma banned back on the forum and it has worked out, hammer is welcome to give it another shot if he wishes, it's up to him?
Regarding sharkbait:
Sharkbait was warned, he broke rules anyway so he was banned. His ban will expire and he is welcome back, but if he returns and breaks the rules again the next ban will be longer, that's how the rules work. He himself is in complete control of his presence on this forum.
Regarding Instigators:
This has been discussed at length by the moderator team. I have decided that anyone who clearly "in the opinion of the moderator team" purposefully makes instigating comments that directly result in the banning of another member, the instigator will also be banned. This is a new rule so we won't go back in time and hand out bans, that wouldn't be fair, but from this day forward this rule will be enforced!
off with the moderator hat...
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!
Post by: Dan-o on December 31, 2016, 06:22:04 PM
As far as extracting some sort of revenge on the forum, that's hardly the case. If you re-read what I said, I clearly state that I had considered purchasing add space and will likely consider it again at some point. My comments were more of a suggestion that KFhunter's comments could easily be taken out of context and shown to be anti advertiser/sponsor. Think of it as a teachable moment for all involved!
I think I'll go back to the guns and ammo section where I belong before this dumpster fire gets any more out of hand. :camp: I can't think of a better way to sum up my actual views and opinions on this than I already did earlier in this thread, I love the internet. Happy New Years every one! :hello: :chuckle:To carry over Boneaddict's playground analogy, when you understand the playground, you look at the games a little differently. Social media is a fascinating social experiment if you sit back and watch.
Baloney.
You directly threatened to contact sponsors. That is not a teachable moment, that is a threat. A petty threat at that.
You're trolling, and you're trying to squirm out of it by twisting words.
I don't give a rip what board you go back to, but it is just plain chicken to troll the mods, twist their words and then protest your innocence.
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 06:25:11 PM
Regarding biggerhammer:good new rule!!!
I bought good items from hammer, I have asked hammer questions and was given good information that helped, and I miss reading hammer's informative posts. I didn't want to see hammer perma banned but he repeatedly violated the rules even after being warned of the consequences. Only one person is responsible for hammer getting banned, that person was hammer himself. We've allowed members who had been perma banned back on the forum and it has worked out, hammer is welcome to give it another shot if he wishes, it's up to him?
Regarding sharkbait:
Sharkbait was warned, he broke rules anyway so he was banned. His ban will expire and he is welcome back, but if he returns and breaks the rules again the next ban will be longer, that's how the rules work. He himself is in complete control of his presence on this forum.
Regarding Instigators:
This has been discussed at length by the moderator team. I have decided that anyone who clearly "in the opinion of the moderator team" purposefully makes instigating comments that directly result in the banning of another member, the instigator will also be banned. This is a new rule so we won't go back in time and hand out bans, that wouldn't be fair, but from this day forward this rule will be enforced!
off with the moderator hat...
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2016, 06:27:02 PM
Good choice to head back to guns and ammo york. :tup:
This site can't afford to lose another damn knowledgeable gun guru like yourself. Losing 2 was bad enough.
Really only lost one. One can come back in 4 days.
:tup:
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2016, 06:27:47 PM
Happy New Years to all of you. I hope it's one of health and joy, and that the critters you kill are so big you don't have to lie about them. :tup:
Post by: MtnMuley on December 31, 2016, 06:28:55 PM
As far as extracting some sort of revenge on the forum, that's hardly the case. If you re-read what I said, I clearly state that I had considered purchasing add space and will likely consider it again at some point. My comments were more of a suggestion that KFhunter's comments could easily be taken out of context and shown to be anti advertiser/sponsor. Think of it as a teachable moment for all involved!
I think I'll go back to the guns and ammo section where I belong before this dumpster fire gets any more out of hand. :camp: I can't think of a better way to sum up my actual views and opinions on this than I already did earlier in this thread, I love the internet. Happy New Years every one! :hello: :chuckle:To carry over Boneaddict's playground analogy, when you understand the playground, you look at the games a little differently. Social media is a fascinating social experiment if you sit back and watch.
Baloney.
You directly threatened to contact sponsors. That is not a teachable moment, that is a threat. A petty threat at that.
You're trolling, and you're trying to squirm out of it by twisting words.
I don't give a rip what board you go back to, but it is just plain chicken to troll the mods, twist their words and then protest your innocence.
This looks like a perfect example of bearpaw's new rule :dunno:
Post by: MtnMuley on December 31, 2016, 06:31:02 PM
Good choice to head back to guns and ammo york. :tup:
This site can't afford to lose another damn knowledgeable gun guru like yourself. Losing 2 was bad enough.
Really only lost one. One can come back in 4 days.
:tup:
I understand that and not questioning the reasons they got banned. I just enjoyed their gun knowledge and was happy to learn and see new things from them.
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 06:42:54 PM
As far as extracting some sort of revenge on the forum, that's hardly the case. If you re-read what I said, I clearly state that I had considered purchasing add space and will likely consider it again at some point. My comments were more of a suggestion that KFhunter's comments could easily be taken out of context and shown to be anti advertiser/sponsor. Think of it as a teachable moment for all involved!
I think I'll go back to the guns and ammo section where I belong before this dumpster fire gets any more out of hand. :camp: I can't think of a better way to sum up my actual views and opinions on this than I already did earlier in this thread, I love the internet. Happy New Years every one! :hello: :chuckle:To carry over Boneaddict's playground analogy, when you understand the playground, you look at the games a little differently. Social media is a fascinating social experiment if you sit back and watch.
Baloney.
You directly threatened to contact sponsors. That is not a teachable moment, that is a threat. A petty threat at that.
You're trolling, and you're trying to squirm out of it by twisting words.
I don't give a rip what board you go back to, but it is just plain chicken to troll the mods, twist their words and then protest your innocence.
It's just a simple example of how quickly a poorly worded or thought out comment can have a wide reaching ripple effect. There's always more to the iceberg than what you see. That should be accounted for before you speak.
Troll isn't a well defined term but it seems moderately appropriate here. I do prefer to think of it as a creative reconstruction of the facts presented though instead of simply twisting words. My way makes it sound more PC.
Don't take anything personally. I'm not sure what it was that brought out such a personal response from you but it wasn't my intention. I didn't think you had any personal stake in the matter but perhaps you do and I'm just not aware of it. And I never proclaimed any innocence. Likewise, Mods are just regular forum members with some blue squares under their screen name. That and they know the secret hand shake. I never get to know the secret hand shake. Maybe that's why I'm so lonely and searching for the acceptance of strangers on the internet. I'll go back to the casual encounters section of Craigslist for that I guess....
Regarding biggerhammer:
I bought good items from hammer, I have asked hammer questions and was given good information that helped, and I miss reading hammer's informative posts. I didn't want to see hammer perma banned but he repeatedly violated the rules even after being warned of the consequences. Only one person is responsible for hammer getting banned, that person was hammer himself. We've allowed members who had been perma banned back on the forum and it has worked out, hammer is welcome to give it another shot if he wishes, it's up to him?
Regarding sharkbait:
Sharkbait was warned, he broke rules anyway so he was banned. His ban will expire and he is welcome back, but if he returns and breaks the rules again the next ban will be longer, that's how the rules work. He himself is in complete control of his presence on this forum.
Regarding Instigators:
This has been discussed at length by the moderator team. I have decided that anyone who clearly "in the opinion of the moderator team" purposefully makes instigating comments that directly result in the banning of another member, the instigator will also be banned. This is a new rule so we won't go back in time and hand out bans, that wouldn't be fair, but from this day forward this rule will be enforced!
off with the moderator hat...
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!
Since your're here, how's it look for the elk hunt next month? I sent you an email last week but I figured you're out actually working or trying to enjoy a few days off.
Post by: Dan-o on December 31, 2016, 06:47:36 PM
As far as extracting some sort of revenge on the forum, that's hardly the case. If you re-read what I said, I clearly state that I had considered purchasing add space and will likely consider it again at some point. My comments were more of a suggestion that KFhunter's comments could easily be taken out of context and shown to be anti advertiser/sponsor. Think of it as a teachable moment for all involved!
I think I'll go back to the guns and ammo section where I belong before this dumpster fire gets any more out of hand. :camp: I can't think of a better way to sum up my actual views and opinions on this than I already did earlier in this thread, I love the internet. Happy New Years every one! :hello: :chuckle:To carry over Boneaddict's playground analogy, when you understand the playground, you look at the games a little differently. Social media is a fascinating social experiment if you sit back and watch.
Baloney.
You directly threatened to contact sponsors. That is not a teachable moment, that is a threat. A petty threat at that.
You're trolling, and you're trying to squirm out of it by twisting words.
I don't give a rip what board you go back to, but it is just plain chicken to troll the mods, twist their words and then protest your innocence.
It's just a simple example of how quickly a poorly worded or thought out comment can have a wide reaching ripple effect. There's always more to the iceberg than what you see. That should be accounted for before you speak.
Troll isn't a well defined term but it seems moderately appropriate here. I do prefer to think of it as a creative reconstruction of the facts presented though instead of simply twisting words. My way makes it sound more PC.
Don't take anything personally. I'm not sure what it was that brought out such a personal response from you but it wasn't my intention. I didn't think you had any personal stake in the matter but perhaps you do and I'm just not aware of it. And I never proclaimed any innocence. Likewise, Mods are just regular forum members with some blue squares under their screen name. That and they know the secret hand shake. I never get to know the secret hand shake. Maybe that's why I'm so lonely and searching for the acceptance of strangers on the internet. I'll go back to the casual encounters section of Craigslist for that I guess....Regarding biggerhammer:
I bought good items from hammer, I have asked hammer questions and was given good information that helped, and I miss reading hammer's informative posts. I didn't want to see hammer perma banned but he repeatedly violated the rules even after being warned of the consequences. Only one person is responsible for hammer getting banned, that person was hammer himself. We've allowed members who had been perma banned back on the forum and it has worked out, hammer is welcome to give it another shot if he wishes, it's up to him?
Regarding sharkbait:
Sharkbait was warned, he broke rules anyway so he was banned. His ban will expire and he is welcome back, but if he returns and breaks the rules again the next ban will be longer, that's how the rules work. He himself is in complete control of his presence on this forum.
Regarding Instigators:
This has been discussed at length by the moderator team. I have decided that anyone who clearly "in the opinion of the moderator team" purposefully makes instigating comments that directly result in the banning of another member, the instigator will also be banned. This is a new rule so we won't go back in time and hand out bans, that wouldn't be fair, but from this day forward this rule will be enforced!
off with the moderator hat...
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!
Since your're here, how's it look for the elk hunt next month? I sent you an email last week but I figured you're out actually working or trying to enjoy a few days off.
To clarify, I'd just like to say: Happy New Year.
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 06:48:43 PM
Dan-o, who's watching the kids? There's a Bigfoot in the bar?!
As far as extracting some sort of revenge on the forum, that's hardly the case. If you re-read what I said, I clearly state that I had considered purchasing add space and will likely consider it again at some point. My comments were more of a suggestion that KFhunter's comments could easily be taken out of context and shown to be anti advertiser/sponsor. Think of it as a teachable moment for all involved!
I think I'll go back to the guns and ammo section where I belong before this dumpster fire gets any more out of hand. :camp: I can't think of a better way to sum up my actual views and opinions on this than I already did earlier in this thread, I love the internet. Happy New Years every one! :hello: :chuckle:To carry over Boneaddict's playground analogy, when you understand the playground, you look at the games a little differently. Social media is a fascinating social experiment if you sit back and watch.
Baloney.
You directly threatened to contact sponsors. That is not a teachable moment, that is a threat. A petty threat at that.
You're trolling, and you're trying to squirm out of it by twisting words.
I don't give a rip what board you go back to, but it is just plain chicken to troll the mods, twist their words and then protest your innocence.
It's just a simple example of how quickly a poorly worded or thought out comment can have a wide reaching ripple effect. There's always more to the iceberg than what you see. That should be accounted for before you speak.
Troll isn't a well defined term but it seems moderately appropriate here. I do prefer to think of it as a creative reconstruction of the facts presented though instead of simply twisting words. My way makes it sound more PC.
Don't take anything personally. I'm not sure what it was that brought out such a personal response from you but it wasn't my intention. I didn't think you had any personal stake in the matter but perhaps you do and I'm just not aware of it. And I never proclaimed any innocence. Likewise, Mods are just regular forum members with some blue squares under their screen name. That and they know the secret hand shake. I never get to know the secret hand shake. Maybe that's why I'm so lonely and searching for the acceptance of strangers on the internet. I'll go back to the casual encounters section of Craigslist for that I guess....Regarding biggerhammer:
I bought good items from hammer, I have asked hammer questions and was given good information that helped, and I miss reading hammer's informative posts. I didn't want to see hammer perma banned but he repeatedly violated the rules even after being warned of the consequences. Only one person is responsible for hammer getting banned, that person was hammer himself. We've allowed members who had been perma banned back on the forum and it has worked out, hammer is welcome to give it another shot if he wishes, it's up to him?
Regarding sharkbait:
Sharkbait was warned, he broke rules anyway so he was banned. His ban will expire and he is welcome back, but if he returns and breaks the rules again the next ban will be longer, that's how the rules work. He himself is in complete control of his presence on this forum.
Regarding Instigators:
This has been discussed at length by the moderator team. I have decided that anyone who clearly "in the opinion of the moderator team" purposefully makes instigating comments that directly result in the banning of another member, the instigator will also be banned. This is a new rule so we won't go back in time and hand out bans, that wouldn't be fair, but from this day forward this rule will be enforced!
off with the moderator hat...
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!
Since your're here, how's it look for the elk hunt next month? I sent you an email last week but I figured you're out actually working or trying to enjoy a few days off.
To clarify, I'd just like to say: Happy New Year.
Post by: bearpaw on December 31, 2016, 06:53:09 PM
Since your're here, how's it look for the elk hunt next month? I sent you an email last week but I figured you're out actually working or trying to enjoy a few days off.
I was hunting cougar all of December until xmas eve, sorry I didn't find your email yet. One of my guides did an elk hunt just before xmas, he saw several herds and killed an elk, there's snow in the mountains it looks good, I'm headed down tomorrow night to get ready to hunt elk for three weeks. I'm expecting good hunting, the snow pack is about 149% of normal, that should be good for the hunting.
Don't forget that big pistol! :chuckle:
Post by: higunner on December 31, 2016, 07:33:11 PM
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 07:34:16 PM
Post by: JJB11B on December 31, 2016, 07:34:45 PM
I was banned for eight weeks this year for being not so sensitive to one of the more ultra sensitive members in this forum. I will say the suspension has forever changed my life.you hurt my feeler
Post by: yorketransport on December 31, 2016, 07:43:56 PM
Since your're here, how's it look for the elk hunt next month? I sent you an email last week but I figured you're out actually working or trying to enjoy a few days off.
I was hunting cougar all of December until xmas eve, sorry I didn't find your email yet. One of my guides did an elk hunt just before xmas, he saw several herds and killed an elk, there's snow in the mountains it looks good, I'm headed down tomorrow night to get ready to hunt elk for three weeks. I'm expecting good hunting, the snow pack is about 149% of normal, that should be good for the hunting.
Don't forget that big pistol! :chuckle:
A gun bearer is provided as part of the service right? I'm not enough of a fool to lug that more than 15 feet from the truck to the bench. :o
Post by: dscubame on December 31, 2016, 07:45:54 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on December 31, 2016, 07:50:55 PM
Plus one here for missing KC Kracker. A man that really does know his bbq is hard to find when every male thinks he is a BBQ king. Tip one here for KC. :brew:Totally one guy that had some character for sure. I have met him a few times and he is the same as he was on the forum :chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 31, 2016, 08:03:19 PM
Thankfully a "coworker" of his promptly joined and was able to inform us that steve.miller was doing alright.
Post by: dscubame on December 31, 2016, 08:05:28 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2016, 08:08:06 PM
Wonder how steve.miller is doing? If memory serves, he was excused on a permanent basis. This shortly after revealing some homo erotic fantasy and threatening general violence via pm.Imagine that.
Thankfully a "coworker" of his promptly joined and was able to inform us that steve.miller was doing alright.
Post by: jmscon on December 31, 2016, 08:36:01 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 31, 2016, 08:38:49 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 31, 2016, 09:22:09 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on December 31, 2016, 09:35:11 PM
As far as the OP and the reasons for the start of this thread, I highly doubt it's actually a thread to fondly remember those who got themselves banned. It is clearly an attempt to have folks self publicize an argument to get his buddies back on the forum. Just title the post what it is.
Post by: Oh Mah on December 31, 2016, 10:08:58 PM
+1 new rule.Regarding biggerhammer:good new rule!!!
I bought good items from hammer, I have asked hammer questions and was given good information that helped, and I miss reading hammer's informative posts. I didn't want to see hammer perma banned but he repeatedly violated the rules even after being warned of the consequences. Only one person is responsible for hammer getting banned, that person was hammer himself. We've allowed members who had been perma banned back on the forum and it has worked out, hammer is welcome to give it another shot if he wishes, it's up to him?
Regarding sharkbait:
Sharkbait was warned, he broke rules anyway so he was banned. His ban will expire and he is welcome back, but if he returns and breaks the rules again the next ban will be longer, that's how the rules work. He himself is in complete control of his presence on this forum.
Regarding Instigators:
This has been discussed at length by the moderator team. I have decided that anyone who clearly "in the opinion of the moderator team" purposefully makes instigating comments that directly result in the banning of another member, the instigator will also be banned. This is a new rule so we won't go back in time and hand out bans, that wouldn't be fair, but from this day forward this rule will be enforced!
off with the moderator hat...
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 31, 2016, 10:16:07 PM
Good new rule Dale! I totally get why BH got banned but there are a few who went out of their way to push his and others buttons. I think it's still a fairly reoccurring cut and past still :peep::yeah:
and also :yeah: to what Dave month posted
Post by: huntnnw on December 31, 2016, 11:27:57 PM
Regarding biggerhammer:
I bought good items from hammer, I have asked hammer questions and was given good information that helped, and I miss reading hammer's informative posts. I didn't want to see hammer perma banned but he repeatedly violated the rules even after being warned of the consequences. Only one person is responsible for hammer getting banned, that person was hammer himself. We've allowed members who had been perma banned back on the forum and it has worked out, hammer is welcome to give it another shot if he wishes, it's up to him?
Regarding sharkbait:
Sharkbait was warned, he broke rules anyway so he was banned. His ban will expire and he is welcome back, but if he returns and breaks the rules again the next ban will be longer, that's how the rules work. He himself is in complete control of his presence on this forum.
Regarding Instigators:
This has been discussed at length by the moderator team. I have decided that anyone who clearly "in the opinion of the moderator team" purposefully makes instigating comments that directly result in the banning of another member, the instigator will also be banned. This is a new rule so we won't go back in time and hand out bans, that wouldn't be fair, but from this day forward this rule will be enforced!
off with the moderator hat...
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!
well with this new rule some on here wont be able to post at all :chuckle:
Post by: yorketransport on January 01, 2017, 12:22:33 AM
As far as the OP and the reasons for the start of this thread, I highly doubt it's actually a thread to fondly remember those who got themselves banned. It is clearly an attempt to have folks self publicize an argument to get his buddies back on the forum. Just title the post what it is.
If you carefully read all of my posts the real motive is in there; don't try to over think it. Sometimes the funniest jokes are the ones that nobody gets. This is probly why I don't have more friends. :chuckle:
Post by: csaaphill on January 01, 2017, 12:58:17 AM
haven't heard from him in a long time though he was one I got to email personally on here.
Funny wolfbaits name got tossed around on here lol. Not sure I should be miffed of glad mine wasn't But happy New year anyhow.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 01, 2017, 08:07:28 AM
In our moderators board
I bet there's some good reading on that entire forum :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Miles on January 01, 2017, 09:00:04 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 01, 2017, 10:16:55 AM
The longer the time out, the more creative one gets...
:chuckle:
Post by: jasnt on January 01, 2017, 10:33:12 AM
Dang! I didn't know sharkbait was gone now too!:yeah:
Sharkbait and hammer were some of the posters I looked forward to reading their posts...
Post by: bearpaw on January 01, 2017, 10:55:39 AM
I was banned for eight weeks this year for being not so sensitive to one of the more ultra sensitive members in this forum. I will say the suspension has forever changed my life.
I would have thought it was wiser for higunner to let this matter be forgotten, why keep airing dirty laundry? Since higunner chooses to bring this back up as if he was somehow unfairly treated, or that there was over reaction to his actions, I would remind him that the buyer whom he made the sale of damaged goods to may not feel the same way, so I will set the record straight! These quotes are direct from his ban notes:
Quote
REASON:
Made a bad sale to ******, did not disclose amount of damage to scope, would not make good on the deal, then later made irritating comments to ******
NOTES:
This first ban is for 60 days due to the severity of the issue. Another bad sale and failure to make right will result in a lifetime ban.
This was one of the issues that prompted the implementation of the TRADE COUNT ratings system "SMF Trader System"!
Post by: DaveMonti on January 01, 2017, 11:36:52 AM
Where is Platt these days???