Post by: Naches Sportsman on January 04, 2017, 11:01:55 PM
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Post by: bowhunterforever on January 05, 2017, 12:30:20 AM
Id seriously consider bear spray along with a pistol. Spray can deter, if you fire on a bear chances of you dropping a bear in its tracks is low in the moment.. bear could kill you before it died from a fatal shot to the chest. That above pic is a small blackie I shot it right on the eyebrow head on at 7 yards and bullet exited the back of the neck and it didn't kill the bear.. I was shocked! and somewhat disturbed :chuckle::yike: Was the bear charging you or what?
Post by: huntnnw on January 05, 2017, 12:36:22 AM
Post by: bowhunterforever on January 05, 2017, 12:41:15 AM
I was following it after I shot it with a arrow.. I walked up on him under a tree and he stood up and I could only see his head and neckI bet that woke you up a little at 7 yards
Post by: Jellymon on January 05, 2017, 12:55:19 AM
I bought a Ruger Super RedHawk Alaska model in .44mag this year brand new for $810. I shoot HSM 305 gr Bear loads.. 2 black bears were shot with it this year blowing completely thru the bear with ease and massive holes. Buffalo bore also makes a Bear load in I think 360gr for it
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Washington bears?
Post by: Bean Counter on January 05, 2017, 01:36:00 AM
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=108
I'd pass on a 10mm simply because its a bottom feeder and go with a tried and true wheel gun. :twocents:
Post by: headshot5 on January 05, 2017, 06:20:41 AM
Overall I'd recommend getting a good chest holster too. It makes them easier to carry, and if you are more comfortable packing a large pistol all day, you'll be more likely to be packing it. :twocents:
Post by: jasnt on January 05, 2017, 06:37:33 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 05, 2017, 06:43:55 AM
I'd pass on a 10mm simply because its a bottom feeder and go with a tried and true wheel gun. :twocents:
If John Moses Browning approved, why can't you?
Post by: Stein on January 05, 2017, 06:57:08 AM
I'd pass on a 10mm simply because its a bottom feeder and go with a tried and true wheel gun. :twocents:
If John Moses Browning approved, why can't you?
10mm was introduced 53 years after he died, designed to be used in a Bren Ten.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 05, 2017, 07:05:08 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 05, 2017, 07:09:06 AM
I'd pass on a 10mm simply because its a bottom feeder and go with a tried and true wheel gun. :twocents:
If John Moses Browning approved, why can't you?
10mm was introduced 53 years after he died, designed to be used in a Bren Ten.
Please read the quote.
Reference is to "bottom feeders"
Post by: Rick on January 05, 2017, 07:39:46 AM
Post by: Stein on January 05, 2017, 07:44:45 AM
Post by: rasbo on January 05, 2017, 07:54:53 AM
If I was in the heart of grizzly country, I would have bear spray and a 12 gauge.ding ding ding..me also,or perhaps a .22 caliber :peep:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 05, 2017, 07:55:47 AM
Post by: b23 on January 05, 2017, 08:09:01 AM
G20 10mm and bear spray. With the violent recoil of the big wheel guns you better make shot number one count because the odds of you getting off shot number 2 before you feel teeth grinding on your skull is slim. That 10 with some stout loads and your ability to get a second, third, or fourth round on target is much higher.
Not that I'm a huge Glock fan but I'd go with something like this for the same reasons stated above, except I'd probably go G21 with a 460 Rowland kit. A G21 with a 460 Rowland barrel setup using a chest mounted cross draw holster would likely be my first choice and a whole lot of firepower in a somewhat compact-ish rig. Just a straight G20 10mm is no slouch either though.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on January 05, 2017, 08:21:18 AM
Post by: mountainman on January 05, 2017, 08:38:58 AM
Sw 329pd with x-frame grips. 44 mag. Weighs a pound and a half. Not a plinker but something you will carry.Agreed. Lightweight and packs a punch!
Post by: Dan-o on January 05, 2017, 09:16:08 AM
Unlike a big wheel gun, I can put a bunch of heavy shots into a target area fairly quickly.
Post by: jdb on January 05, 2017, 12:38:17 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 05, 2017, 12:52:05 PM
You want a 12 gauge short barreled semi auto. That's what the pros from Alaska Dept of Fish and Game use for protection when doing stream surveys in bear country.
Post by: Bob33 on January 05, 2017, 12:54:49 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on January 05, 2017, 01:44:33 PM
I'd pass on a 10mm simply because its a bottom feeder and go with a tried and true wheel gun. :twocents:
If John Moses Browning approved, why can't you?
I'm definitely pro-choice. If semi-autos are good for the military and good for some LEOs (and they certainly are), then they're good for civilians who wish to use them, too. I like feeling 99.999% confident that my revolver is going to fire, as opposed to 98% confident my semi-auto will fire. Also sick of the myriad compromises of the bottom-feeder design. YMMV. :twocents:
Post by: CaNINE on January 05, 2017, 01:49:02 PM
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Post by: JJB11B on January 05, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
If all goes as planned, I'll be working and playing in the heart of grizzly country this summer. I've decided I want to pick up a handgun that will provide a decent line of defense if I get charged by one. What do you all carry out there? Looking to stay under $900 as I want to buy out of state tags with my tax return as well.Bring RTspring with you
Post by: Dan-o on January 05, 2017, 02:11:51 PM
Get a Glock and leave your malfunction worries behind.
10mm by the clip full..... 8)
Post by: JJB11B on January 05, 2017, 02:16:13 PM
"Spray and Pray"If I was in the heart of grizzly country, I would have bear spray and a 12 gauge.ding ding ding..me also,or perhaps a .22 caliber :peep:
Post by: Bean Counter on January 05, 2017, 02:29:26 PM
@Bean Counter
Get a Glock and leave your malfunction worries behind.
10mm by the clip full..... 8)
I had a slide rail snap off on a Glock while shooting it :o
Post by: Night goat on January 06, 2017, 01:19:24 PM
I bought a Ruger Super RedHawk Alaska model in .44mag this year brand new for $810. I shoot HSM 305 gr Bear loads.. 2 black bears were shot with it this year blowing completely thru the bear with ease and massive holes. Buffalo bore also makes a Bear load in I think 360gr for it
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Grizzlys and the big Alaskan coastal browns are like mastiffs compared to those little Chihuahua sized blackies you shot. If a brown or grizz decides he's gonna get you... your best bet is to use a heavy heavy slow round and try to break as much bone (ie shoulders) as possible to disable it, but, he's determined... ain't much gonna change that animals mind, lead or otherwise. A bear on an adrenaline surge will take several minutes to die, even though, logically, it's already dead..
How well will you be able to shoot in a panic? Personally, I carry a 12 gauge with an extended tube with buck and slugs, last round being a 3 1/2 inch round with some sort of bird shot (blow it's nose and eyes out as a last resort) and a can of spray whenever I can get away from whatever seiner I'm.fishing on. 454 casul with hard cast buffalo bores, or even a hot 44 mag round works, but, it all comes down to your ability as a shooter to hit something in a panic, and have a follow up, and often a third shot ready to go.
Brandishing a "bear pistol" sure has a cool factor. Old timey out west feel. You can always spot the noobs up north with a big revolver on their side, doubt many can hit something in a panic... I had a buddy blow his knee off with a super Blackhawk at the shooting pit trying to quick draw, in a good mood on.a sunny day, saved the leg fortunately...do you want to risk that with a bear in the brush? The way I see revolvers for bears.... great if you are in a bush plane and are limited on space and weight, or an expert big bore hand gunner, but otherwise, can the cowboy bravado and carry a shotgun, your wife and kids, I imagine, will appreciate seeing you again. If you insist on a revolver, save round #6 for yourself.
A 45-70 lever gun would be choice #2 followed by a 30-06, 375 h&h, or 300winmag. At least with a shotgun you can slip rounds into it as needed vs monkey fumbling with a cylinder
Somebody mentioned diamond D chest holsters.... It's the only way to go. Hip/belt holsters are a liability in the brush
Don't mean to come off as overly salty, however, I've spent years in Alaska and have had this conversation several times, and unless.you are absolute in your confidence and Ability with a big bore hand gun...... please, stick with a shotgun, or for that matter, what you are most comfortable with, provided it has.enough whallop
It will be the difference between having your photo taken like this (open link at own risk, not for the faint of heart)
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And getting your picture taken like this (safe pic)
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Post by: WapitiTalk1 on January 06, 2017, 01:34:09 PM
Boom factor worked here and probably prevented a bad day for the hunters.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuYs8Dnef3s)
Post by: Night goat on January 06, 2017, 01:47:35 PM
The best defense is avoidance (stop, listen, and look often).
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Be Bear-aware
Post by: mountainman on January 06, 2017, 03:32:20 PM
or hunting tigers! (first link is a tiger kill photo) a grizzly wouldn't have left as much!I bought a Ruger Super RedHawk Alaska model in .44mag this year brand new for $810. I shoot HSM 305 gr Bear loads.. 2 black bears were shot with it this year blowing completely thru the bear with ease and massive holes. Buffalo bore also makes a Bear load in I think 360gr for it
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Grizzlys and the big Alaskan coastal browns are like mastiffs compared to those little Chihuahua sized blackies you shot. If a brown or grizz decides he's gonna get you... your best bet is to use a heavy heavy slow round and try to break as much bone (ie shoulders) as possible to disable it, but, he's determined... ain't much gonna change that animals mind, lead or otherwise. A bear on an adrenaline surge will take several minutes to die, even though, logically, it's already dead..
How well will you be able to shoot in a panic? Personally, I carry a 12 gauge with an extended tube with buck and slugs, last round being a 3 1/2 inch round with some sort of bird shot (blow it's nose and eyes out as a last resort) and a can of spray whenever I can get away from whatever seiner I'm.fishing on. 454 casul with hard cast buffalo bores, or even a hot 44 mag round works, but, it all comes down to your ability as a shooter to hit something in a panic, and have a follow up, and often a third shot ready to go.
Brandishing a "bear pistol" sure has a cool factor. Old timey out west feel. You can always spot the noobs up north with a big revolver on their side, doubt many can hit something in a panic... I had a buddy blow his knee off with a super Blackhawk at the shooting pit trying to quick draw, in a good mood on.a sunny day, saved the leg fortunately...do you want to risk that with a bear in the brush? The way I see revolvers for bears.... great if you are in a bush plane and are limited on space and weight, or an expert big bore hand gunner, but otherwise, can the cowboy bravado and carry a shotgun, your wife and kids, I imagine, will appreciate seeing you again. If you insist on a revolver, save round #6 for yourself.
A 45-70 lever gun would be choice #2 followed by a 30-06, 375 h&h, or 300winmag. At least with a shotgun you can slip rounds into it as needed vs monkey fumbling with a cylinder
Somebody mentioned diamond D chest holsters.... It's the only way to go. Hip/belt holsters are a liability in the brush
Don't mean to come off as overly salty, however, I've spent years in Alaska and have had this conversation several times, and unless.you are absolute in your confidence and Ability with a big bore hand gun...... please, stick with a shotgun, or for that matter, what you are most comfortable with, provided it has.enough whallop
It will be the difference between having your photo taken like this (open link at own risk, not for the faint of heart)
removed pic
And getting your picture taken like this (safe pic)
http://www.petersenshunting.com/files/2013/11/05_elevenft-300x202.jpg
Post by: Buzz2401 on January 06, 2017, 03:52:11 PM
Post by: yorketransport on January 06, 2017, 10:34:13 PM
Maybe an AR pistol? :chuckle:"Spray and Pray"If I was in the heart of grizzly country, I would have bear spray and a 12 gauge.ding ding ding..me also,or perhaps a .22 caliber :peep:
My biggest issue with semi autos are the relatively weak chamberings. Even a hot 10mm is pretty lame compared to a moderate 44 mag. Or, you can have the best of both worlds and get a bottom feeder in a man's caliber like the 45 Win Mag! :tup:
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Post by: JJB11B on January 07, 2017, 12:10:34 AM
Post by: jmscon on January 07, 2017, 12:18:49 AM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on January 07, 2017, 12:28:53 AM
If you carry a pistol into brown bear country make sure and saw the barrel off so it won't hurt so bad when the bear shoves it down your throat!
You need to file off just the front sight so it does not hurt so bad to extract from your fundament when the bear takes it from you and inserts it there.
The best handgun? hahaha
You want a 12 gauge short barreled semi auto. That's what the pros from Alaska Dept of Fish and Game use for protection when doing stream surveys in bear country.
Last I knew ADF&G used 870s. Never saw a semi auto used by any state, tribal, or federal agency in bear country. Forest Service used Winchester M70s in .375 H&H. NOAA/NMFS had the best collection of pre-'64 Winchesters ever!!!, and a few 870s. Fair number of Mossberg Marines scattered around as well.
My recollections of the story of the dude with the gnawed leg n hairy balls was a black bear killed n partially ate him in N. California about 10-12 years ago. Could have been a bogus story making the rounds though.
A grizzly is highly unlikely to eat you. Of all the griz attacks I have read or heard of the vast majority were not hunger/food driven. If they do kill you to eat they will likely bury you to ripen up a bit before they come back anyway. In my survival classes I was taught to play dead for a griz but fight for my life with a blackie.
I lived 11 years cheek n jowl with coastal browns on Baranof Is. so have more first hand experience than most. Over the years I carried many pistols, rifles, and shotguns. I am not a fan of bear spray, I have seen it have absolutely no deterrent effect and actually aggravate the situation. I would rather have the boom factor. Most spray scenarios are a bearanoid person and a curious but non aggressive bear. My last carry gun was a .500 S&W with the 2-3/8" barrel set up for a hip level cross draw that was ambidextrous if needed. I could shoot it well enough with full power rounds that I was not worried if I were to need it and with the adrenaline coursing you shouldn't have to stop and think if it was gonna hurt when you shoot, if you do then generations of survival instinct has been bred out of you and you are not fit to survive and propagate the species anyway. I never cared for a chest holster, they always seemed awkward, though I now have a Gunfighters Inc. that is the best I have ever used. In the split second a real attack occurs you would be lucky to get 1-2 aimed shots off with any weapon so I would prefer to have my first shot big and powerful. My preferred weapon would be a good pump shotgun if the conditions permitted, or a heavy revolver if a shotgun was out. If you have time to pump a full G20 magazine (great gun, nothing against it) into a bear then it was probably not a real attack to begin with. Having lived in WA for 5 years now I got rid of the .500 and have a S&W 329 NG .44 Mag that fills the role nicely.
I'm more worried about the urban animals down here than the bears anyway.
Post by: Bean Counter on January 07, 2017, 02:14:18 AM
Post by: mountainman on January 07, 2017, 09:30:43 AM
spent some time at Allan Point on Halleck Island. Beautiful country👍If you carry a pistol into brown bear country make sure and saw the barrel off so it won't hurt so bad when the bear shoves it down your throat!
You need to file off just the front sight so it does not hurt so bad to extract from your fundament when the bear takes it from you and inserts it there.The best handgun? hahaha
You want a 12 gauge short barreled semi auto. That's what the pros from Alaska Dept of Fish and Game use for protection when doing stream surveys in bear country.
Last I knew ADF&G used 870s. Never saw a semi auto used by any state, tribal, or federal agency in bear country. Forest Service used Winchester M70s in .375 H&H. NOAA/NMFS had the best collection of pre-'64 Winchesters ever!!!, and a few 870s. Fair number of Mossberg Marines scattered around as well.
My recollections of the story of the dude with the gnawed leg n hairy balls was a black bear killed n partially ate him in N. California about 10-12 years ago. Could have been a bogus story making the rounds though.
A grizzly is highly unlikely to eat you. Of all the griz attacks I have read or heard of the vast majority were not hunger/food driven. If they do kill you to eat they will likely bury you to ripen up a bit before they come back anyway. In my survival classes I was taught to play dead for a griz but fight for my life with a blackie.
I lived 11 years cheek n jowl with coastal browns on Baranof Is. so have more first hand experience than most. Over the years I carried many pistols, rifles, and shotguns. I am not a fan of bear spray, I have seen it have absolutely no deterrent effect and actually aggravate the situation. I would rather have the boom factor. Most spray scenarios are a bearanoid person and a curious but non aggressive bear. My last carry gun was a .500 S&W with the 2-3/8" barrel set up for a hip level cross draw that was ambidextrous if needed. I could shoot it well enough with full power rounds that I was not worried if I were to need it and with the adrenaline coursing you shouldn't have to stop and think if it was gonna hurt when you shoot, if you do then generations of survival instinct has been bred out of you and you are not fit to survive and propagate the species anyway. I never cared for a chest holster, they always seemed awkward, though I now have a Gunfighters Inc. that is the best I have ever used. In the split second a real attack occurs you would be lucky to get 1-2 aimed shots off with any weapon so I would prefer to have my first shot big and powerful. My preferred weapon would be a good pump shotgun if the conditions permitted, or a heavy revolver if a shotgun was out. If you have time to pump a full G20 magazine (great gun, nothing against it) into a bear then it was probably not a real attack to begin with. Having lived in WA for 5 years now I got rid of the .500 and have a S&W 329 NG .44 Mag that fills the role nicely.
I'm more worried about the urban animals down here than the bears anyway.
Post by: Night goat on January 07, 2017, 02:38:07 PM
I mean, not everybody needs a bear gun...
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 07, 2017, 02:42:19 PM
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I mean, not everybody needs a bear gun...
That guy has more bat than brains. :yike:
Post by: tjthebest on January 07, 2017, 03:30:12 PM
i would pack bear spray unless of course you can hit a bobbing bowling ball size target coming at you at 33ft per second.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 09, 2017, 09:49:19 AM
I'd still take a double action revolver with a shorter barrel and I'd count on shots 2-6 being fired from my back at point blank.
Post by: b23 on January 09, 2017, 10:25:12 AM
My biggest issue with semi autos are the relatively weak chamberings. Even a hot 10mm is pretty lame compared to a moderate 44 mag. Or, you can have the best of both worlds and get a bottom feeder in a man's caliber like the 45 Win Mag! :tup:
I haven't run the numbers but I wonder how this would compare to the 460 Rowland.
Post by: Thumper81 on January 17, 2017, 02:38:23 PM