Post by: Elkcollector82 on January 19, 2017, 09:11:53 AM
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Post by: Threewolves on January 21, 2017, 07:33:08 AM
So, I was thinking if the meat is OK to eat, why aren't the coyotes dragging these animals down and eating them. The elk would be easy to catch they can hardly move around. It wouldn't be anything for a bear or cougar to kill them and eat them. IF the coyotes, bears and cougar are not eating them why should I? Heck maybe the coyotes, bears and cougars are and I am just not seeing it, but there seems to be a lot of easy to kill elk walking around.
I have talked to two hunters that said they had killed elk with hoof rot and ate them and they were OK. It just seems to me that the bears and cougars and coyotes would kill the elk (known as limpers) before I would ever see a hoof rot elk. They don't move that fast and they don't go that far, so much for nature taking the week.
Post by: HntnFsh on January 21, 2017, 08:34:47 AM
My wife said she wont eat any more elk we harvest that has hoof rot. I'm starting to feel the same way. Guess I'll have to start hunting the east side so I stand a chance of harvesting a healthy elk. Cause there aren't many left over here.A few years ago there was an article in the Longview daily news. A WDFW bio said they couldn't guarantee the meat of affected elk was safe to eat. A little later they were saying its ok. But use discretion about eating from the affected area.
My thought has been. They don't even know whats causing hoof rot. How can they even say if its safe to consume or not!
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 17, 2017, 08:41:56 AM
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Post by: grade-creek-rd on February 17, 2017, 08:59:00 AM
As for the meat of elk with hoof rot...would it pass a USDA inspection if it were beef?...Hell NO! remember "mad cow" disease (it hit Europe real bad and Canada freaked out and wouldn't import US beef when we had one case of it...) and that didn't affect the meat at all, just the brain of the cow...if I have a tag in my pocket and see a legal elk with hoof rot I will put it out of its misery, and feed the worms...and burn the tag, its inhumane to watch the elk suffer just so I can shoot a non-infected animal, but that rule of must eat the meat is crap..IMO.
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Post by: Dhoey07 on February 17, 2017, 08:59:48 AM
I dont know anything about hoof rot but its my understanding that elk are not native to Washington and were brought here from Yellowstone. Could it be that they are just not adaptable to living in soggy western Washington?
http://www.rmef.org/Conservation/WhereWeConserve.aspx?elkrange=true&projects=false&restore=false
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 17, 2017, 09:06:36 AM
I dont know anything about hoof rot but its my understanding that elk are not native to Washington and were brought here from Yellowstone. Could it be that they are just not adaptable to living in soggy western Washington?
According to the WDFW, Roosevelt elk, which are most highly affected by elk hoof disease, are native. Rocky mountain elk were relocated from Yellowstone in the early 1900s.
Post by: nwwanderer on February 17, 2017, 09:29:26 AM
Any critter, bovine, ovine, porcine or chicken losing weight and on the way out for what ever reason makes for poor table fare. The closer to the end the worse it gets. Might want to avoid those staggering with foot rot.
If WDFW spent a couple of million on this issue instead of wolf predation the returns could be significant. What is the value of an elk to the local economy? How many could the southwest habitat hold and harvest with a healthy herd?
Post by: 2MANY on February 17, 2017, 09:39:34 AM
When they combined the two, Fish and Wildlife, this state took a turn for the worst.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 17, 2017, 10:53:57 AM
Are they all as "far behind the curve" as WDFW seems to be?
It doesn't even seem to matter what the issue is (salmon, steelhead, mule deer, hoof rot, wolves, et. al.), this seems to be the one constant; don't react until it's fubar, then do too little too late.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 17, 2017, 11:27:38 AM
Lewis and Clark would have had a very slim winter on the coast without elk but pretty much wiped out the local herd by the time they left.I was thinking about Undaunted Courage as I wrote my reply.
Any critter, bovine, ovine, porcine or chicken losing weight and on the way out for what ever reason makes for poor table fare. The closer to the end the worse it gets. Might want to avoid those staggering with foot rot.
If WDFW spent a couple of million on this issue instead of wolf predation the returns could be significant. What is the value of an elk to the local economy? How many could the southwest habitat hold and harvest with a healthy herd?
As far as dumping millions into the disease is concerned - too little, too late. They sat on their hands for 20 years while this plague grew. Now with funding accepted from chemical and timber companies in addition to WDFW budgeting, it's hard to believe that their research is objective and untainted. They have no plans for eradication other than killing limping elk until there aren't any more. The once largest elk herd in the state may be 1/3 of the size it was 7 or 8 years ago. If hunter reports are accurate, it may well be much worse than that.
Post by: Katmai Guy on February 17, 2017, 11:39:16 AM
My guess is they know what causes this but have no balls to tell the people causing to stop.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 17, 2017, 11:58:11 AM
Problem is, it killing off affected animals wont get rid of the disease. Need the cause gone.
My guess is they know what causes this but have no balls to tell the people causing to stop.
:yeah:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 17, 2017, 12:01:08 PM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 17, 2017, 12:05:14 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 17, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. :dunno:
I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 17, 2017, 12:36:16 PM
You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. :dunno:
I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.
If the great state of Olympia had it their way. We all would be hunting out of Prius'es. :bash:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 17, 2017, 12:38:29 PM
You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. :dunno:
I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.
If the great state of Olympia had it their way. We all would be hunting out of Prius'es. :bash:
Don't be fooled into thinking that one side of the aisle is less corrupt than the other. That isn't so. The big money involved donates to everyone so that everyone votes their way.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 17, 2017, 12:48:51 PM
You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. :dunno:
I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.
If the great state of Olympia had it their way. We all would be hunting out of Prius'es. :bash:
Don't be fooled into thinking that one side of the aisle is less corrupt than the other. That isn't so. The big money involved donates to everyone so that everyone votes their way.
I know.both sides of that aisle would vote for Prius'es if the money was there.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 17, 2017, 12:53:30 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 17, 2017, 12:54:53 PM
If only prius would make a small truck/SUV version. I've been in a few and they are QUIET!! Ultimate back road stealth.
Road hunters dream!!!! :chuckle:
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 17, 2017, 01:06:26 PM
If only prius would make a small truck/SUV version. I've been in a few and they are QUIET!! Ultimate back road stealth.
Road hunters dream!!!! :chuckle:
Great. Now in 2017 we gonna see a lot these.
Post by: buglebrush on February 17, 2017, 03:29:19 PM
You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. :dunno:
I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.
Washington is so stupid it is unbelievable!
Post by: garrett89 on February 17, 2017, 03:32:31 PM
Right? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Ask questions of what has changed. Like others have said the only major change was the chemicals over burning. The state is full of hippie dee dee dee.You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. :dunno:
I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.
Washington is so stupid it is unbelievable!
Post by: idahohuntr on February 17, 2017, 04:10:45 PM
If it is so clearly herbicide application, why don't we see hoofrot in many other areas elk inhabit where herbicides are applied?Right? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Ask questions of what has changed. Like others have said the only major change was the chemicals over burning. The state is full of hippie dee dee dee.You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. :dunno:
I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.
Washington is so stupid it is unbelievable!
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 18, 2017, 07:14:20 AM
No one said it's clearly herbicide, so you're reaching, as you tend to do. But since the WDFW won't even consider it as a causation, we won't ever know. Theoretically, if we did study it and found that immune systems were being damaged by herbicide use, the answer to your question is that we are seeing it in other areas where herbicides are in use. It's a growing problem in other areas on the westside now, and in OR. It's definitely spreading. I believe we don't see it on the east side because the wet conditions which favor the bacteria growth don't exist there. This is backed up by the conditions in which both treponema and leptospira thrive - moist, cool environments.
Post by: cougforester on February 18, 2017, 08:36:08 AM
This is a great point. People get mad at timber for not burning "like back in the good ole days", but even just getting a permit to burn slash piles is extremely difficult. I'd be all for moving back to that if possible on our land, but the current limitations on burning really force us into a corner.You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. :dunno:
I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 18, 2017, 09:25:48 AM
Post by: jmscon on February 18, 2017, 09:43:29 AM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 18, 2017, 09:52:32 AM
Why is it that the timber companies spray herbicide again? Serious question.
Sum it up kill the native vegetation.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 18, 2017, 09:53:06 AM
Why is it that the timber companies spray herbicide again? Serious question.They couldn't burn like they used to because of clean air laws.
Post by: idahohuntr on February 18, 2017, 10:02:30 AM
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Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 18, 2017, 10:17:01 AM
Oh, ok I misinterpreted the statements as people suggesting herbicides cause hoof rot, which is clearly not the case. The WDFW looked at many possible causes, and concluded based on extensive evidence treponeme bacteria is the cause of hoof rot. Some tinfoil hat theories still persist I suppose.
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Keep drinking their cool aid :bash:
Post by: cougforester on February 18, 2017, 11:21:05 AM
Why is it that the timber companies spray herbicide again? Serious question.Herbicide allows planted seedlings a chance to start growing free from competition from other brush/vegetation. Reforestation is expensive, so getting it right is important. Burning would essentially accomplish the same thing (meaning removing/reducing competing vegetation), but as stated above, is hard to do under current laws due to pretty tough regulations/requirements.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 18, 2017, 11:50:40 AM
Oh, ok I misinterpreted the statements as people suggesting herbicides cause hoof rot, which is clearly not the case. The WDFW looked at many possible causes, and concluded based on extensive evidence treponeme bacteria is the cause of hoof rot. Some tinfoil hat theories still persist I suppose.
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You can suppose all you want. WDFW has flatly refused to study herbicide use as possibly being causative, as you well know but refuse to acknowledge. Just because you disagree with this as another possible cause doesn't make it a tinfoil hat theory. There are respected scientists who question WDFW's hypothesis on the cause of hoof disease.
Post by: WAPatriot on February 18, 2017, 01:01:55 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 18, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
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Wildlife Health
Treponeme associated hoof disease
in Washington elk
Observations of elk with deformed, broken, or missing hooves have increased dramatically in southwest Washington over the past decade. Tests conducted by scientists in the U.S. and abroad show these abnormalities are strongly associated with treponeme bacteria, known to cause digital dermatitis in cattle, sheep and goats.
Digital dermatitis has plagued the livestock industry for decades, but the disease has never before been documented in elk or other wildlife. The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) is working with scientists, veterinarians, outdoor organizations and others to develop management strategies for elk herds affected by the disease.
Several aspects of the disease in elk are clear:
•Treponeme associated hoof disease appears to be highly infectious among elk, but there is no evidence that it affects humans.
•Tests show the disease is limited to animals’ hooves, and does not affect their meat or organs.
•Currently, there is no vaccine for the disease, and there are no proven options for treating it in the field.
from google:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK7716/
Quote
Epidemiology
Humans are the only source of treponemal infection; there are no known nonhuman reservoirs. Venereal syphilis is distributed worldwide, and over the past several decades has become a significant public health problem in many underdeveloped countries. Infectivity rates correspond to the most sexually active age groups. Following the adoption of penicillin as the mainstay of syphilotherapy, the number of new syphilis cases progressively decreased until 1958, after which the trend reversed and a steady increase has occurred. The late 1980's experienced a major increase in the incidence of early syphilis cases which was largely related to crack cocaine usage among inner city minorities. Improved surveillance methods have helped to control this syphilis epidemic. Despite extensive eradication campaigns, yaws remains widespread in the tropics. Pinta remains endemic in Central and South America, and endemic syphilis is present in certain regions of the Middle East. The pathogenic treponemes have many cross-reacting antigens, and untreated infection is believed to confer partial protection against the other treponemal diseases.
I wanna know how these Elk got a human STD :dunno:
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 18, 2017, 01:28:59 PM
from WDFWQuoteWildlife Health
Treponeme associated hoof disease
in Washington elk
Observations of elk with deformed, broken, or missing hooves have increased dramatically in southwest Washington over the past decade. Tests conducted by scientists in the U.S. and abroad show these abnormalities are strongly associated with treponeme bacteria, known to cause digital dermatitis in cattle, sheep and goats.
Digital dermatitis has plagued the livestock industry for decades, but the disease has never before been documented in elk or other wildlife. The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) is working with scientists, veterinarians, outdoor organizations and others to develop management strategies for elk herds affected by the disease.
Several aspects of the disease in elk are clear:
•Treponeme associated hoof disease appears to be highly infectious among elk, but there is no evidence that it affects humans.
•Tests show the disease is limited to animals’ hooves, and does not affect their meat or organs.
•Currently, there is no vaccine for the disease, and there are no proven options for treating it in the field.
from google:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK7716/QuoteEpidemiology
Humans are the only source of treponemal infection; there are no known nonhuman reservoirs. Venereal syphilis is distributed worldwide, and over the past several decades has become a significant public health problem in many underdeveloped countries. Infectivity rates correspond to the most sexually active age groups. Following the adoption of penicillin as the mainstay of syphilotherapy, the number of new syphilis cases progressively decreased until 1958, after which the trend reversed and a steady increase has occurred. The late 1980's experienced a major increase in the incidence of early syphilis cases which was largely related to crack cocaine usage among inner city minorities. Improved surveillance methods have helped to control this syphilis epidemic. Despite extensive eradication campaigns, yaws remains widespread in the tropics. Pinta remains endemic in Central and South America, and endemic syphilis is present in certain regions of the Middle East. The pathogenic treponemes have many cross-reacting antigens, and untreated infection is believed to confer partial protection against the other treponemal diseases.
I wanna know how these Elk got a human STD :dunno:
They also stated the meat was safe to eat. But yet turned right around and said use your best judgment on consuming the meat, smell, look etc. yeah! I trust them guys about as much as I trust a politician. :bash: their scientist must been from the local 2nd grade science class. :dunno:
Post by: KFhunter on February 18, 2017, 02:01:02 PM
:dunno: What does all of this have to do with Unsworth being called out for misleading a legislative committee? And just as important misrepresenting his constituents (i.e. hunters and anglers). The very people who pay his salary....... :dunno:
hoof rot was in the very first post, the thread seems to be on track although I don't see the FB link.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 18, 2017, 02:35:40 PM
My bad. I thought this was the thread where unsworth was called out. Carry on. My apologies.That was "Unsworth Has a Bad Day".
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 18, 2017, 09:56:13 PM
What changed? Oh, the chemicals they started using. That was only 2 minutes searching. But yet WDFW won't actually test the chemicals or anything that has to do with any private timber company. They will always just turn their backs on this. :bash:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/health/hoof_disease/
http://m.tdn.com/news/local/are-herbicides-to-blame-for-region-s-hoof-rot-woes/article_172ae622-0c87-11e4-861b-001a4bcf887a.html
Post by: jmscon on February 18, 2017, 10:28:57 PM
Seems as though the timber companies, chem companies and WDFW have their heads up each other's arse.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 18, 2017, 10:54:21 PM
Can someone please tell me why the timber companies would spray a cut to keep the natural plants from growing? Fire weed and red alder are the first ones to grow and they actually put nitrogen back into the soil (something that the conifers need to grow).
Seems as though the timber companies, chem companies and WDFW have their heads up each other's arse.
Sum it up. They spray it to kill off the vegetation. So their trees can grow without having other weeds/grasses don't take away nutritional value from the trees.
But yes they all have their heads where the sun don't shine. But yet non will point out the facts. They just keep saying oh we tested. But they never tested the herbicide chemicals. You read the msds of that stuff. Pretty much wipe a town out with a single bottle in the water. Yet some how they find it ok for elk to eat. :dunno:
Post by: JJB11B on February 18, 2017, 11:01:36 PM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 18, 2017, 11:42:43 PM
It sucks for a lot of reasons, a big thing for me is that the east side is getting more and more pressure and access is dwindling year by year, there it is getting so crowded for each season that is my isn't nearly as fun
Kinda hard to hunt when your rubbing shoulders. :bash: look at how many spend the money to go out of state. Better game management and a lot more space to hunt. Although I will say that this state does hold a lot of road hunters. So get. Mile off the road and it seems like your in a wilderness all by yourself. Yet your only a mile from the nearest road.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 19, 2017, 09:39:08 AM
Can someone please tell me why the timber companies would spray a cut to keep the natural plants from growing? Fire weed and red alder are the first ones to grow and they actually put nitrogen back into the soil (something that the conifers need to grow).Some fertilize to try to make up for the difference. But no real 'crop rotation' philosophy there. They have made a little change for the better in that a planting might be mixed conifers, whereas in the past it would be all doug fir or spruce or whatever.
Seems as though the timber companies, chem companies and WDFW have their heads up each other's arse.
Post by: kball4 on February 22, 2017, 08:32:41 AM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 22, 2017, 10:32:11 AM
Why don't they do a study on the Olympic National Park herd and if those elk that routinely stay in the park away from logging and pesticides don't have hoof rot then that pretty much solves the where it came from questions, right.
How about the all natural studies. You hunt on a private timber company land that uses the chemical you see hoof rot. You drive into national forest land and you don't see a single one with it. :dunno:
Post by: kball4 on February 22, 2017, 03:03:11 PM
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Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 23, 2017, 07:18:57 AM
I had a late season special permit in the coweeman unit a few years ago. While checking out a new area i came across a dead elk, when i walked up to it i first noticed the weird looking hooves since they were sticking up, figured that must of been why it died. First time i have seen hoof rot. Then i noticed a bullet hole through the front shoulder and when i walked around it, i saw the antlers had been sawed off. I called it in but never heard another thing.
You really didn't think they would actually come out and do their job!!!!
Post by: fish vacuum on February 23, 2017, 07:56:17 PM
I'm just looking for clarification on whether or not the spraying replaces burning.
Post by: Elkcollector82 on February 23, 2017, 08:31:20 PM
One minor question about burning and chemicals. Were they burning entire units in recent history to get rid of weeds? The burning I've seen (and still see occasionally) was just slash piles and wouldn't rid a whole unit of underbrush.
I'm just looking for clarification on whether or not the spraying replaces burning.
When burning was slash burning was legal. They used to burn piles through out the cut. Or they would be big long slash piles. Now they burn the slash pile that piles up at the landings from the processer and yarder. They spray the cuts from one side to other now with chemicals to stop the growth of other weeds.
Post by: coastalyeti on February 23, 2017, 11:22:33 PM
-If you even THINK about using natural alternatives or going organic, you're gonna fill out crap loads of papers and Pay.
-The chemical companies OWN the politicians left/right and middle. Yet fires are natural. Always kept the underbrush down and kept mold, fungus, fleas, ticks, and everything down to a dull roar.
When there's a burn, ever notice how quick the deer go in there afterwards? They get there before the forbs even sprout up, just to have a bug free zone.
It is beyond me, how can an agency say that Roundup is safer to breathe/eat/drink/absorb than woodsmoke?
Who did the science on that?
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Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 23, 2017, 11:38:55 PM
Same as farming; if you douse your land with pesticides, (even though it goes in the rivers & groundwater and everything else) you're a Good farmer.
-If you even THINK about using natural alternatives or going organic, you're gonna fill out crap loads of papers and Pay.
-The chemical companies OWN the politicians left/right and middle. Yet fires are natural. Always kept the underbrush down and kept mold, fungus, fleas, ticks, and everything down to a dull roar.
When there's a burn, ever notice how quick the deer go in there afterwards? They get there before the forbs even sprout up, just to have a bug free zone.
It is beyond me, how can an agency say that Roundup is safer to breathe/eat/drink/absorb than woodsmoke?
Who did the science on that?
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Carbon footprint scam. In Idaho where I was deer hunting last year they had fires going in recently harvested cuts. Maybe it's a WA thing
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 24, 2017, 09:46:51 AM
Post by: KFhunter on February 24, 2017, 07:38:14 PM
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Post by: Don_D on March 14, 2017, 08:53:54 AM
The elk are spending a lot more time in the areas below these cuts with creeks and wet areas to feed and are getting even more exposure to the run off of the chemicals as a result.
As well, I've wondered if the hoof rot is not the real cause of the whole thing but could be a symptom.
Bare with me here. The incidence of auto immune disease in the human population has been increasing for decades and not in relation to population increase. It also has been rising across all age groups and I personally know teens who are being diagnosed with diseases like Rheumatoid Arthritis. Dont know what RA is? Google a few pics. It isn't your typical arthritis that's for sure.
I tend to think that much of it is diet related. I have it (25 years now) and have spent many years reading and trying various remedies for it along with all the meds my docs give me. In my case none of the diet changes have made a difference but my family has had this disease for generation after generation. The one exception is corn. If I eat or drink anything with corn products in it my joints will swell up worse. I avoid it and have for years.
I have spoken with a whole lot of people however who have made drastic changes in their diets and have had their so called disease virtually disappear and stay that way so long as they are strict in their diets. What is it in food that is causing them to get so sick their lives are turned upside down anyway?
With auto immune diseases one of the symptoms always seems to be joint inflammation and pain, in some cases also having severe degeneration of the joints and causing deformities. My hands and feet are pretty bad for instance and my fingers are real crooked and hurt all the time. You feel like you have the flu all day every day.
Im not saying this is the same thing as what we are seeing in the Elk populations down south but with the reports of the hunters who are quartering these animals saying that the meat itself was bad enough they wouldn't eat it it sure seems like there is more going on here than meets the eye.
The DFW has been doing nothing on this for decades. Meanwhile Elk herds are being decimated by this problem down south. Reputable people have come forward offering to help without need of financial gain to the state and have been declined. What exactly do they have to lose by taking people up on these offers? They don't have to endorse their findings.
It will be too little too late with DFW. They have a vested interest in not changing a thing with how trees are harvested and farmed and will do their best to protect that interest come hell or high water.
Post by: Special T on March 14, 2017, 09:29:32 AM