WDFW called out.

[Elkcollector82]

Problem is, it killing off affected animals wont get rid of the disease.  Need the cause gone. 

My guess is they know what causes this but have no balls to tell the people causing to stop.

 

[pianoman9701]

They say they know the cause and it's a common bacteria - treponema. You can't get rid of that bacteria in a wet environment. You can only boost immunity. Of course, that's if they're correct. On the other hand, if the cause is leptospirosis, as one distinguished former CDC scientist (and expert in identifying and treating leptospirosis) contends it could be, there's a different route, one which includes stopping the spraying of herbicides on their forage in clear cuts. But, the working group has refused his offer of performing a free study to confirm or rule out leptospirosis. The influence of big timber and the chemical companies who supply them is huge in both the working group and on our legislature on both sides of the aisle. Political corruption can't be ruled out as an influencing factor in their studies or the pressure put on our politicians to accept the status quo.

[Elkcollector82]

You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. 

[pianoman9701]

You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. 

I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.

[Elkcollector82]

You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. 

I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.

If the great state of Olympia had it their way. We all would be hunting out of Prius'es. 

[pianoman9701]

You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. 

I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.

If the great state of Olympia had it their way. We all would be hunting out of Prius'es. 

Don't be fooled into thinking that one side of the aisle is less corrupt than the other. That isn't so. The big money involved donates to everyone so that everyone votes their way.

[Elkcollector82]

You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. 

I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.

If the great state of Olympia had it their way. We all would be hunting out of Prius'es. 

Don't be fooled into thinking that one side of the aisle is less corrupt than the other. That isn't so. The big money involved donates to everyone so that everyone votes their way.

I know.both sides of that aisle would vote for Prius'es if the money was there.

[JimmyHoffa]

If only prius would make a small truck/SUV version.  I've been in a few and they are QUIET!!  Ultimate back road stealth.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

If only prius would make a small truck/SUV version.  I've been in a few and they are QUIET!!  Ultimate back road stealth.

Road hunters dream!!!!

[Elkcollector82]

If only prius would make a small truck/SUV version.  I've been in a few and they are QUIET!!  Ultimate back road stealth.

Road hunters dream!!!!

Great. Now in 2017 we gonna see a lot these.

[buglebrush]

You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. 

I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.

Washington is so stupid it is unbelievable! 

[garrett89]

You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. 

I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.

Washington is so stupid it is unbelievable!

Right? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Ask questions of what has changed. Like others have said the only major change was the chemicals over burning. The state is full of hippie dee dee dee.

[idahohuntr]

You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. 

I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.

Washington is so stupid it is unbelievable!

Right? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Ask questions of what has changed. Like others have said the only major change was the chemicals over burning. The state is full of hippie dee dee dee.

If it is so clearly herbicide application, why don't we see hoofrot in many other areas elk inhabit where herbicides are applied?

[pianoman9701]

"If it is so clearly herbicide application, why don't we see hoofrot in many other areas elk inhabit where herbicides are applied?"

No one said it's clearly herbicide, so you're reaching, as you tend to do. But since the WDFW won't even consider it as a causation, we won't ever know. Theoretically, if we did study it and found that immune systems were being damaged by herbicide use, the answer to your question is that we are seeing it in other areas where herbicides are in use. It's a growing problem in other areas on the westside now, and in OR. It's definitely spreading. I believe we don't see it on the east side because the wet conditions which favor the bacteria growth don't exist there. This is backed up by the conditions in which both treponema and leptospira thrive - moist, cool environments.

[cougforester]

You go back in time and figure out when the slash burning was banned and the chemical treatment for herbicide started. Pretty sure that gonna go in to connection with the hoof rot starting. 

I absolutely think there's a correlation. Timber companies should be able to burn but EPA and WA regulations force them to use herbicides instead. Don't use fire because of air quality BS standards but it's OK to dump chemicals all over the place. Flippin' crazy.

This is a great point. People get mad at timber for not burning "like back in the good ole days", but even just getting a permit to burn slash piles is extremely difficult. I'd be all for moving back to that if possible on our land, but the current limitations on burning really force us into a corner.