Post by: snowshoes22 on January 19, 2017, 12:35:51 PM
Post by: Special T on January 19, 2017, 01:23:25 PM
Post by: CP on January 19, 2017, 01:35:08 PM
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/10/daniel-zimmerman/want-a-short-barreled-rifle-heres-how/
Post by: Special T on January 19, 2017, 01:38:15 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 19, 2017, 01:40:48 PM
The Daniel's defence with integrated suppressor doesn't qualify as a SBR from what I've read.
You can permanently attach the suppressor and at that point it counts towards overall barrel length.
Post by: Alchase on January 19, 2017, 02:03:18 PM
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 19, 2017, 02:17:10 PM
This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?
Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.
I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 19, 2017, 02:20:16 PM
it sure doesn't seem to be well defined. I'd like to say when it is put on a rifle configured lower... but then there are the sig brace items... which nobody has ever held up to their shoulder and fired. :chuckle:This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?
Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.
I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.
In truth I am pretty ignorant to the whole gas gun and sbr and can world...
maybe I can google it and post that? :chuckle:
Post by: Woodchuck on January 19, 2017, 02:22:00 PM
No I wouldn't!This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?
Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.
I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.
Post by: Special T on January 19, 2017, 02:25:53 PM
This seems to be as good an answer as any. I would image an upper just chilling is fine.it sure doesn't seem to be well defined. I'd like to say when it is put on a rifle configured lower... but then there are the sig brace items... which nobody has ever held up to their shoulder and fired. :chuckle:This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?
Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.
I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.
Post by: CP on January 19, 2017, 02:28:16 PM
Post by: CP on January 19, 2017, 02:28:43 PM
Post by: snowshoes22 on January 20, 2017, 12:07:49 PM
Post by: lamrith on January 20, 2017, 12:26:26 PM
The paperwork is not overly complicated. There are new rules now with 41F in regards to fingerprints and pictures for everyone on the application (or trust which most people use) Then it is just a matter of a LOONG wait time. Right now they are at 7months and I think climbing?
SBR are pretty nice and fun to shoot, It is what the 300blk was built for. SBR make nice B.O.B guns too if you are into that sort of thing.
If you build a <16" barrel upper you need to have a pistol lower in your possession until you get your stamp approval, otherwise you have constructive intent. It is not a grey area and I suggest people avoid taking that risk. Having just a barrel alone with no other parts to assemble it into an upper should not be an issue, but a complete upper is a no-no.
This may be a stupid question....No stupid questions when it comes to NFA and making sure you are within the law, nobody needs that nightmare or to lose rights for not asking...
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?
From what I have seen, you would want it permanently attached to the barrel before you install the barrel in the upper. Unless as previously mentioned you have a pistol lower in your possession, If you have one of those around it really helps during your waiting on approval. One option is Go buy a new lower, build the lower as a pistol, then take THAT lower and register it as your SBR lower. Filing as a Form1 you keep the lower in your possession, so you can go ahead and mount the upper, enjoy shooting it, etc, just with the pistol buffer on it. Once you get Stamp approved, take it in and get it engraved, then install rifle stock and you are DONE!
I have been researching and might go the integrated route. I wasn't aware the suppressor counted towards overall length. Can I build a pistol and shoot it till I get my paper work back and then transfer it to a rifle with a butt stock?yup, see above.
Post by: snowshoes22 on January 20, 2017, 12:30:19 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 20, 2017, 01:23:08 PM
No I wouldn't!This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?
Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.
I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.
I wouldn't either.
My stepdad just built this little thing. .300 blackout SBR. Suppresor is removeable.
I don't know anything about it other than it's a Rainier Arms lower and a Sig Romeo4 optic. It's pretty cool. All paperwork, permits, stamp, whatever are all legit and on the up and up.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170120/958d530d1736f411887d6816219dc368.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170120/c00ec17b1e0fde84cc3947b275a45785.jpg)
Post by: snowshoes22 on January 20, 2017, 01:35:06 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 20, 2017, 06:06:27 PM
No I wouldn't!This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?
Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.
I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.
I wouldn't either.
My stepdad just built this little thing. .300 blackout SBR. Suppresor is removeable.
I don't know anything about it other than it's a Rainier Arms lower and a Sig Romeo4 optic. It's pretty cool. All paperwork, permits, stamp, whatever are all legit and on the up and up.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170120/958d530d1736f411887d6816219dc368.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170120/c00ec17b1e0fde84cc3947b275a45785.jpg)
I like that allot!
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on January 20, 2017, 06:25:18 PM
Post by: b23 on January 20, 2017, 08:45:51 PM
Post by: snowshoes22 on January 21, 2017, 08:52:41 PM
Franklin Armory Libertas Lower (Desert Smoke)
Franklin Armory HBAR 16" Upper Assembly 6.8 SPC + 2 mags (Until 300 blackout upper is approved)
Magpul MOE Stock (FDE)
Warne Ramp Rail
Optic: Undecided
Witt Machine Integrally Suppressed 16" .300 Blackout AR Upper ( Suppressor cerakoted FDE)
Can't wait for this to come together
Post by: Fungunnin on January 22, 2017, 07:48:38 AM
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Post by: b23 on January 22, 2017, 01:38:46 PM
Fungunnin, very nice looking setup. :tup:
Post by: Gearhead1940 on January 23, 2017, 05:38:19 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 23, 2017, 07:31:02 AM
Would love to have a suppressed ar but not yet willing to wade through the red tape and pay the crazy price for a suppressor. Maybe someday both will change.
I just bought a CAN through The Silencer Shop. They took care of everything. This is my first Can and it was $ 528 w/stamp. It was on sale. I put it in a TRUST too..
Post by: CP on January 23, 2017, 08:57:17 AM
Would love to have a suppressed ar but not yet willing to wade through the red tape and pay the crazy price for a suppressor. Maybe someday both will change.
I just bought a CAN through The Silencer Shop. They took care of everything. This is my first Can and it was $ 528 w/stamp. It was on sale. I put it in a TRUST too..
How much was the trust and what's involved in setting that up?
Post by: mountainman on January 23, 2017, 09:51:27 AM
Post by: b23 on January 23, 2017, 10:54:42 AM
Would love to have a suppressed ar but not yet willing to wade through the red tape and pay the crazy price for a suppressor. Maybe someday both will change.
I just bought a CAN through The Silencer Shop. They took care of everything. This is my first Can and it was $ 528 w/stamp. It was on sale. I put it in a TRUST too..
How much was the trust and what's involved in setting that up?
Setting up a trust is the easy part, after you get it named and you and your beneficiaries names on it, all you have to do is have it notarized and it becomes legal. The part that is a PITA is the new rules of 41F that went into affect July 13, 2016. I believe everyone on your trust has to go through the same process as the person actually buying a suppressor. The new 41F rules has what they call "Responsible Person" and everyone has to go through the same paperwork as the purchaser. At least that's how I understand it to be. With the new 41F, using a trust isn't quite as appealing as it once was, but it still offers benefits over filing as an individual.
Post by: CP on January 30, 2017, 06:33:33 AM
Would love to have a suppressed ar but not yet willing to wade through the red tape and pay the crazy price for a suppressor. Maybe someday both will change.
I just bought a CAN through The Silencer Shop. They took care of everything. This is my first Can and it was $ 528 w/stamp. It was on sale. I put it in a TRUST too..
How long was your wait?