Post by: Stein on February 05, 2017, 11:34:34 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 05, 2017, 11:40:48 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on February 05, 2017, 11:46:34 AM
If it is a code "HC", this is what the regs say:
This is a damage hunt administered by a WDFW designated Hunt Coordinator. Successful applicants will be
contacted on an as-needed basis to help with specific sites of deer/elk damage on designated landowner's property.
Not all successful applicants will be contacted in any given year, depending on damage activity for that year.
And that's why they're easier to draw.
Post by: Stein on February 05, 2017, 11:49:05 AM
It also seems pretty odd that this year is very cold and tons of snow down south, deer numbers are way up and yet they didn't even call the first name on the list which makes me wonder if it is even a legit program.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 05, 2017, 12:23:47 PM
I knew there was a chance you wouldn't get called but I didn't realize you could loose your points and never actually get a permit. That is pretty lame that you burn points and never get a chance to hunt.
It also seems pretty odd that this year is very cold and tons of snow down south, deer numbers are way up and yet they didn't even call the first name on the list which makes me wonder if it is even a legit program.
I agree. Especially if it's a youth hunt (assuming that's what your daughter drew). IIRC the "Hunt Coordinator" hunts were originally all for the Master Hunter program- which were basically second tags anyway- so no biggie if they never got called. Those hunts do open another can of worms, at any rate.
Post by: benhuntin on February 05, 2017, 12:55:10 PM
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Post by: Stein on February 05, 2017, 12:56:40 PM
I knew there was a chance you wouldn't get called but I didn't realize you could loose your points and never actually get a permit. That is pretty lame that you burn points and never get a chance to hunt.
It also seems pretty odd that this year is very cold and tons of snow down south, deer numbers are way up and yet they didn't even call the first name on the list which makes me wonder if it is even a legit program.
I agree. Especially if it's a youth hunt (assuming that's what your daughter drew). IIRC the "Hunt Coordinator" hunts were originally all for the Master Hunter program- which were basically second tags anyway- so no biggie if they never got called. Those hunts do open another can of worms, at any rate.
Interestingly enough, I just found out the youth and master hunters are competing for the same calls - they are all combined in the same program. WDFW called 2 master hunters so far and no youth. I don't know how it works, but I do know that two masters got a call and no youth so far.
I was planning on going for the master program this year, but if the hunts that are offered are reducing youth opportunity, maybe I will just become a hunter's ed instructor and call it good. I just can't justify pulling a tag when it could have gone to a kid. If nothing else, there should be much more clarity around these special draws.
Post by: Bullkllr on February 05, 2017, 01:42:22 PM
Post by: Katmai Guy on February 05, 2017, 01:47:52 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 05, 2017, 02:01:06 PM
Anyone who draws a permit and is not afforded an opportunity to hunt should have his points restored.
Post by: wheels on February 05, 2017, 02:12:12 PM
Post by: Dan-o on February 05, 2017, 03:09:21 PM
It is a crap shoot. I have been called and I have drawn the permit but never gotten the call. Still....... some lucky dog's gotta win.
Post by: hirshey on February 06, 2017, 05:01:20 PM
I knew there was a chance you wouldn't get called but I didn't realize you could loose your points and never actually get a permit. That is pretty lame that you burn points and never get a chance to hunt.
It also seems pretty odd that this year is very cold and tons of snow down south, deer numbers are way up and yet they didn't even call the first name on the list which makes me wonder if it is even a legit program.
I agree. Especially if it's a youth hunt (assuming that's what your daughter drew). IIRC the "Hunt Coordinator" hunts were originally all for the Master Hunter program- which were basically second tags anyway- so no biggie if they never got called. Those hunts do open another can of worms, at any rate.
Interestingly enough, I just found out the youth and master hunters are competing for the same calls - they are all combined in the same program. WDFW called 2 master hunters so far and no youth. I don't know how it works, but I do know that two masters got a call and no youth so far.
I was planning on going for the master program this year, but if the hunts that are offered are reducing youth opportunity, maybe I will just become a hunter's ed instructor and call it good. I just can't justify pulling a tag when it could have gone to a kid. If nothing else, there should be much more clarity around these special draws.
This is one reason I let my MH go on this last renewal period. That, and I got drawn for MH moose and was kicked off the call list AND lost my points because I didn't buy the call-when-needed moose tag 3 months before the "opportunity". (Who buys a $330 tag for not even a chance to hunt?? Even MH manager Tracy Loveless agreed that was wrong...) I'd rather not pay extra, and do wildlife service for those very lacking incentives.. I'd rather just volunteer my time and money when I see fit and not be competing with others for very limited or unlikely opportunities. Sad that it all got managed this way. Sorry your kiddo hasn't had an opportunity yet!
Post by: MtnMuley on February 06, 2017, 07:42:17 PM
Post by: hirshey on February 06, 2017, 08:06:01 PM
Weird. My dad drew a MH moose damage tag as well as couple years ago. The year before, 4 MH were called with this tag and all killed moose. With that info learned, I applied him in the draw. Luck has it, he drew. After a few calls, we learned he was #1 on the list. A mild weather year prevailed and he was never notified. There was no hurt feelings here, as we knew what the situation was going in. Surely figured he'd get a tag being #1, but it didn't happen. Also, he was not required to purchase a $330 tag before hand either. This was in 2013 or 2014, can't remember which.I drew in 2013... I called Tracy Loveless because of being taken off the list due to not paying beforehand. He agreed that was not right and I understand it no longer requires upfront purchase. Was not upset about not getting called, was disappointed about being taken off the list AND losing points. I drew my OIL moose the following year so it took the sting out of the previous rollercoaster. :chuckle:
Post by: EyeTooth on February 08, 2017, 02:24:07 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb0817a/
Post by: Stein on February 08, 2017, 03:35:16 PM
Here's something.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb0817a/
Thanks!
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Post by: jmscon on February 17, 2017, 10:30:34 PM
Master Hunters
Please find below a survey monkey seeking information on whether or not you support the restoration of points for those master hunters who are drawn for damage hunts but then are never called or given the opportunity to hunt. This is an issue that is currently up for review and your input is requested.
Thank you
Steven Dazey
Hunter Education & Volunteer coordinator
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
425-775-1311 ext.#106
Steven.dazey@dfw.wa.gov
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BHRR6HK
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 21, 2017, 02:49:05 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 21, 2017, 03:01:54 PM
Are MH's the only hunters that get to take the survey?What happened when you tried to comment?
Post by: Bob33 on February 22, 2017, 08:55:48 AM
My opinion is that anyone who uses points to draw a permit and has no opportunity to use it should have his points restored.