Post by: Fullabull on February 08, 2017, 04:07:39 PM
I am so frustrated with this state, I am hunting Idaho where archery hunters get to actually hunt like they should!
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on February 08, 2017, 04:35:48 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 08, 2017, 04:36:05 PM
What exactly are you referring to? The 2017 seasons have been set for three years now and nothing has changed.Think he's talking about the quality bull permit dates for Modern vs Muzzy vs Bow. (Can use a bow in modern and put in for those permits.)
Post by: bear hunter on February 08, 2017, 04:50:14 PM
:yeah:What exactly are you referring to? The 2017 seasons have been set for three years now and nothing has changed.Think he's talking about the quality bull permit dates for Modern vs Muzzy vs Bow. (Can use a bow in modern and put in for those permits.)
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2017, 04:57:14 PM
Post by: Fullabull on February 08, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
Post by: Antlershed on February 08, 2017, 08:17:51 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2017, 09:27:17 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 08, 2017, 09:29:01 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2017/wsr_17-04-103.pdf
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 08, 2017, 09:44:48 PM
Ok, why is our state again providing special permit dates for MF hunters right in the middle of the best/prime rut dates? Also the ML's are also getting prime time hunts while archery keep getting pushed back on dates. This make absolutely no sense when these hunters can reach out so far with their weapons and archery hunters are so limited in their capabilities with the equipment we choose.
I am so frustrated with this state, I am hunting Idaho where archery hunters get to actually hunt like they should!
Why do the archery hunters always get the general season during the rut? Wouldn't it make sense to rotate the seasons to be fair to all - every third year your weapon of choice would be in september be it archery / ml / mf ???
Post by: Reidus on February 08, 2017, 09:56:44 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on February 08, 2017, 10:07:30 PM
Ok, why is our state again providing special permit dates for MF hunters right in the middle of the best/prime rut dates? Also the ML's are also getting prime time hunts while archery keep getting pushed back on dates. This make absolutely no sense when these hunters can reach out so far with their weapons and archery hunters are so limited in their capabilities with the equipment we choose.
I am so frustrated with this state, I am hunting Idaho where archery hunters get to actually hunt like they should!
It was all set in the three year package that was discussed on here with links to comment. Did you comment?
Next one is coming up soon. Take the time to read and then comment!
It is a very open process. The fact is the muzzy hunters made a good argument an got more opportunity. Have to see how there harvest compares to others to really have an opinion.
Post by: dreamunelk on February 08, 2017, 10:11:16 PM
Ok, why is our state again providing special permit dates for MF hunters right in the middle of the best/prime rut dates? Also the ML's are also getting prime time hunts while archery keep getting pushed back on dates. This make absolutely no sense when these hunters can reach out so far with their weapons and archery hunters are so limited in their capabilities with the equipment we choose.
I am so frustrated with this state, I am hunting Idaho where archery hunters get to actually hunt like they should!
Why do the archery hunters always get the general season during the rut? Wouldn't it make sense to rotate the seasons to be fair to all - every third year your weapon of choice would be in september be it archery / ml / mf ???
MF general rut hunt? That would be a catastrophe in Washington.
Post by: Buzz2401 on February 08, 2017, 11:52:24 PM
Post by: garrett89 on February 14, 2017, 05:12:02 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2017, 05:17:51 PM
The seasons are actually very fair. Archery guys get the start of the rut and get out before all other hunters. Muzzleloader guys get the peak of the rut. Rifle hunters get the post rut when all the animals have been pushed all to hell.
Seems legit to me.
:dunno:
Post by: Katmai Guy on February 14, 2017, 05:18:46 PM
Who cares? Bow hunters can hunt any season with their bow. And bow season is generally longer than the other two any ways. 3 chances to go hunt and extended on just archery season. If anyone bow hunts there's zero reason to complain.
That's incorrect. Everybody picks a weapon choice and hunts that season. Only multi season recipients can hunt all se as on with archery gear. Apologies in advance if I misunderstood your reasoning.
Post by: garrett89 on February 14, 2017, 05:21:21 PM
Who cares? Bow hunters can hunt any season with their bow. And bow season is generally longer than the other two any ways. 3 chances to go hunt and extended on just archery season. If anyone bow hunts there's zero reason to complain.
That's incorrect. Everybody picks a weapon choice and hunts that season. Only multi season recipients can hunt all se as on with archery gear. Apologies in advance if I misunderstood your reasoning.
Ok. I interpreted the rules as use the weapon for that season or lesser weapon. I didn't see anything written that you had to be multi season permitted.
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2017, 05:21:35 PM
Post by: Mfowl on February 14, 2017, 05:35:40 PM
It's not true that muzzleloader season is at the peak of the rut. October 7-13. How's that the peak when the rut is in September?
I hate the ML season this year! I will be switching to full archery or Multiseason from ML just because of these dates. If you're an ML guy push to get the pregeneral season quality bull tags back during the next season setting process!
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2017, 05:48:51 PM
Post by: Browndawg on February 16, 2017, 04:45:09 PM
Conclusion... hunt OR archery, hunt WA MF.
The issue I have... I hunt Lewis River unit with 3 point or better. Most bulls taken out of there are rag horned deformed bulls. I feel that ANY BULL or SPIKE ONLY would bring better genetics back to the herd. My :twocents:
Post by: JJB11B on February 16, 2017, 04:58:37 PM
Post by: garrett89 on February 16, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
We should just go to a draw only system in Washington. No more OTC tags.
How about no. It would only benefit those who input for a draw. I don't like a chance to go. I already miss out by buying my tags and something comes up for certain game seasons as is. It's already a chance if work or something else happens.
Post by: JJB11B on February 16, 2017, 05:09:14 PM
see, it could always be worse...I wasn't serious about drawing. I was making a pointWe should just go to a draw only system in Washington. No more OTC tags.
How about no. It would only benefit those who input for a draw. I don't like a chance to go. I already miss out by buying my tags and something comes up for certain game seasons as is. It's already a chance if work or something else happens.
Post by: M_ray on February 16, 2017, 05:42:07 PM
The fact is the muzzy hunters made a good argument an got more opportunity. Have to see how there harvest compares to others to really have an opinion.
Tell me how the Muzzy guys got more opportunity? The Muzzy season is 6 days long and is a Saturday thru the next Friday. Its been this way for over ten years now and hasnt changed but for some reason many Archers are under the impression that the Muzzy guys got more on the last 3 year plan. :dunno:
Post by: JJB11B on February 16, 2017, 05:42:52 PM
Muzzy guys around here get the shaft as far as deer and elk...The fact is the muzzy hunters made a good argument an got more opportunity. Have to see how there harvest compares to others to really have an opinion.
Tell me how the Muzzy guys got more opportunity? The Muzzy season is 6 days long and is a Saturday thru the next Friday. Its been this way for over ten years now and hasnt changed but for some reason many Archers are under the impression that the Muzzy guys got more on the last 3 year plan. :dunno:
Post by: M_ray on February 16, 2017, 05:49:09 PM
The seasons are actually very fair. Archery guys get the start of the rut and get out before all other hunters. Muzzleloader guys get the peak of the rut. Rifle hunters get the post rut when all the animals have been pushed all to hell.
No not true the Muzzy season is Oct 7th-13 ... thats hardley the peak? but its winding down pretty good by the 7th :dunno:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 16, 2017, 05:52:27 PM
Probably referring to the opening up of around twenty additional units for the early season. IMO, they really got a pretty good win with that.The fact is the muzzy hunters made a good argument an got more opportunity. Have to see how there harvest compares to others to really have an opinion.
Tell me how the Muzzy guys got more opportunity? The Muzzy season is 6 days long and is a Saturday thru the next Friday. Its been this way for over ten years now and hasnt changed but for some reason many Archers are under the impression that the Muzzy guys got more on the last 3 year plan. :dunno:
Post by: Buzz2401 on February 16, 2017, 05:55:52 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on February 16, 2017, 06:13:07 PM
Probably referring to the opening up of around twenty additional units for the early season. IMO, they really got a pretty good win with that.The fact is the muzzy hunters made a good argument an got more opportunity. Have to see how there harvest compares to others to really have an opinion.
Tell me how the Muzzy guys got more opportunity? The Muzzy season is 6 days long and is a Saturday thru the next Friday. Its been this way for over ten years now and hasnt changed but for some reason many Archers are under the impression that the Muzzy guys got more on the last 3 year plan. :dunno:
More GMU's in both early and late equal opportunity.
Post by: M_ray on February 16, 2017, 06:25:38 PM
Probably referring to the opening up of around twenty additional units for the early season. IMO, they really got a pretty good win with that.The fact is the muzzy hunters made a good argument an got more opportunity. Have to see how there harvest compares to others to really have an opinion.
Tell me how the Muzzy guys got more opportunity? The Muzzy season is 6 days long and is a Saturday thru the next Friday. Its been this way for over ten years now and hasnt changed but for some reason many Archers are under the impression that the Muzzy guys got more on the last 3 year plan. :dunno:
Yes you are right but its still only 6 days so what it boils down to is limited time in the field. With as expensive as this state is muzzy hunting is not the best value. I would be nice if it were at least to full weekends.
:twocents:
Post by: M_ray on February 16, 2017, 06:31:29 PM
Probably referring to the opening up of around twenty additional units for the early season. IMO, they really got a pretty good win with that.The fact is the muzzy hunters made a good argument an got more opportunity. Have to see how there harvest compares to others to really have an opinion.
Tell me how the Muzzy guys got more opportunity? The Muzzy season is 6 days long and is a Saturday thru the next Friday. Its been this way for over ten years now and hasnt changed but for some reason many Archers are under the impression that the Muzzy guys got more on the last 3 year plan. :dunno:
More GMU's in both early and late equal opportunity.
Thats funny :chuckle: Have you seen the late units? What are they? Almota, prescott, Alkili stuff like that? Not really your prime areas with large herds not to mention the areas they offer are mostly private so it doesnt really benifit the avarage hunter. It was just a way to say that the muzzy's got more but it isnt more for most its more for those with ground. ;)
Post by: M_ray on February 16, 2017, 06:34:51 PM
Where I hunt muzzleloader is almost right in the heart of the rut. But the rut also runs from late august through late October. Anyone who says rut is only in September must not spend much time out in the woods. I hunt modern and am out every single week from mid august through mid November. There is usually much more rut activity in early October then any other time. At least where I hunt.
:tup: Yeah I have a spot that I really think the best time to hunt it with the most rutting activity is the 1st thru 10th of Oct. But it seems this is the exception not the rule compared to most other areas I hunt. :dunno:
Post by: Fullabull on February 27, 2017, 07:39:50 PM
Post by: sled on February 27, 2017, 07:44:33 PM
. It's fair for you to be able to switch methods.Ok, why is our state again providing special permit dates for MF hunters right in the middle of the best/prime rut dates? Also the ML's are also getting prime time hunts while archery keep getting pushed back on dates. This make absolutely no sense when these hunters can reach out so far with their weapons and archery hunters are so limited in their capabilities with the equipment we choose.
I am so frustrated with this state, I am hunting Idaho where archery hunters get to actually hunt like they should!
Why do the archery hunters always get the general season during the rut? Wouldn't it make sense to rotate the seasons to be fair to all - every third year your weapon of choice would be in september be it archery / ml / mf ???
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on February 27, 2017, 08:08:59 PM
I have always thought that the bow and M/L hunters had a big advantage.
Sure, you have to get closer, but the equipment's getting better.
And at that time the elk are less spooked and maybe rutting.
By the time my season rolls around things are pretty shook up where I hunt.
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
I bet the elk are happy to see the seasons end.
Post by: popeshawnpaul on March 02, 2017, 05:10:19 PM
Post by: grundy53 on March 02, 2017, 05:42:56 PM
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Post by: Fullabull on March 13, 2017, 09:18:24 PM
Use fixed dates, Archery Sept 13-25, let archery permit holders get a couple more days past the 25th, then let MF permit holders have their time. ML permit holders can have their time in units non permit holders can't hunt. Then ML get their time.