Post by: yorketransport on February 19, 2017, 09:09:53 AM
6.5 Grendel
- 130gr Nosler Accubond
- Muzzle velocity 2430 fps
I fired two of these at 100 yards. Retained velocity at impact is approximately 2270 fps. One bullet penetrated 15.5" and had a retained weight of 115.3gr. Bullet number two penetrated 11.75" with a retained weight of 102.1gr. These both performed about how I expected them to when compared to the same load shot into a small blacktail last season.
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- 130gr Berger VLD Hunting
- Muzzle velocity 2385 fps
I fired two of these at 100 yards. Retained velocity at impact is approximately 2247 fps. One bullet penetrated 14" and had a retained weight of 119.1gr. Bullet number two penetrated 11.5" and had a retained weight of 117.9" I was very surprised and happy with how well these bullets performed. They held together well and retained a high percentage of their original weight. I personally believe that the excellent performance is do in part to the moderate impact velocity. In my past tests with higher velocity impacts, the Bergers opened up more violently and retained less weight.
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270 AR
- 130gr Speer HotCor
- Muzzle velocity 2718 fps
I fired two of these at 100 yards. The retained velocity at impact is approximately 2500 fps. Bullet one penetrated 11.5" and had a retained weight of 102.2gr. Bullet number two penetrated 11.75" and had a retained weight of 111.9" I'm very happy with how well these bullets did. For a simple cup and core bullet the retained a high percentage of their weight and penetrated very well. Again, I imagine that the relatively modest impact velocity contributed to their performance.
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338/375 Ruger
- 260gr Hammer Hunter
- Muzzle velocity 2715 fps
I fired two of these at 100 yards. The retained velocity at impact is approximately 2585 fps. The shank of bullet one penetrated 23.5" with the petals breaking off (as they're designed to do) at approximately 11". The retained weight of the bullet shank was 195.5 gr with a length of 1.087". Bullet two was not recovered, but I was able to track the penetration to within 1" of the other 260gr Hammer bullet. I believe this bullet fell out of test material while I was unpacking it from the trap but I was unable to find it.
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480 Ruger
- 275gr Barnes XPB
- Muzzle velocity 1485
Only one bullet fired at 25 yard with an approximate impact velocity of 1385. The bullet penetrated 9.5" with a retained weight of 270.7". Penetrating relative to the rifle rounds matches what I've seen in the past in other test materials. The expanded bullet matches the performance of a bullet recovered from a small bear shot with the same load out of a different gun.
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I think I'm going to call this whole project a success. The leather appears to be a good test material since it's a soft leather instead of a hard, dried leather like holster leather. Every shot fired penetrated in a straight trajectory through the material, making it easy follow the path of the bullet. Since I fired multiple different loads into the target before checking, it's hard to really evaluate the damage done by any one load. There was a very consistent pattern of massive damage at about 3" of penetration. This is where it appeared that almost all of the bullets began to expand the most. This is also the depth where I started to see jacket and lead fragments appear.
Over the next few months I'm going to start testing different bullets at different impact velocities. If anyone has any specific bullets they want tested, let me know. Here's a list of the bore diameters I have a gun chambered in that I can test:
6mm/.243
6.5mm/.264
.270
.308
.338
.358
.375
.458
I can get the 6.5mm and .338s up to some pretty impressive velocity levels out of the 338 SnipeTac and the 6.5 Badger so I'll use those to torture test a few bullets.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 19, 2017, 09:28:36 AM
338 Berger 300 gr Elite Hunter vs 300 gr Smk at 2000 fps (simulate long range) would be cool. I can send some bullets if you want em.
Post by: yorketransport on February 19, 2017, 09:38:04 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 19, 2017, 09:45:55 AM
Post by: yorketransport on February 19, 2017, 09:53:18 AM
Post by: b23 on February 19, 2017, 01:27:31 PM
If you'd like some to test PM me who/where to send them and how many you want and I'll get some sent your way.
Post by: yorketransport on February 21, 2017, 09:04:42 PM
Yorke, am I understanding you correctly that you're looking for some 300gr .338 Sierra MK? If you need some to test I've got plenty of extras and I'd be happy to send you some if you'd like. I also have some 300gr .338 Lapua scenar bullets I could send you if you'd like to test them as well. Be interesting to see how the Lapua Scenars perform in your bullet trap as they are a pretty tough bullet and the last test I saw with them showed little to no mushrooming, the bullet just kind of bent and that was it.
If you'd like some to test PM me who/where to send them and how many you want and I'll get some sent your way.
That would be great! PM sent.
Post by: Yondering on February 22, 2017, 10:21:17 AM
Can you share some more details about the leather itself? What kind of leather, and how do you source "soft" leather instead of harder stuff used for holsters, saddles, etc?
Was the leather dry or wet when you shot it?
Post by: yorketransport on February 22, 2017, 10:21:54 PM
Very interesting, and the results look good. How does the total amount of penetration compare to what you've seen with the same bullets on game? (Of course it doesn't have to be the same, as long as you can correlate the results.)
Can you share some more details about the leather itself? What kind of leather, and how do you source "soft" leather instead of harder stuff used for holsters, saddles, etc?
Was the leather dry or wet when you shot it?
The best on game performance I can compare is the 130 accubond from the Grendel and the 275 XPB from the 480. My father in law shot a small bear, head on from 45 yards with the XPB from my 480 Ruger a few years back. The recovered bullet looks exactly like the one I pulled from the leather. Penetration on the bear was roughly double what I got in the leather though.
My experience with the 130 accubond on my deer last year was pretty similar. The shot was head on at about 45 yards. I got 27" of penetration and a mushroomed bullet that looks just like the bulllet pulled from the leather. I'll try shooting the accubond into the leather at 45 yards to get a good comparison though. So far, it looks like the leather give similar expansion characteristics as tissue but with less penetration. I'll keep testing to see if I can come up with a good correlation between the two. Penetration in the leather seems to be about half of what I expect in animal tissue.
The leather is more like 1/8" suede than a hard holster leather. The glove company calls it heavy apron leather. The scraps I got are all different sizes ranging from small strips to much larger chunks. The shop can't just throw away the scraps because it's chemically tanned and is considered hazardous in large enough quantities I guess. They have to save it up and dispose of it in large batches of a couple thousand pounds at a time. I got a 300# box for free to play around with since one of the guys is an avid hunter and liked my bullet trap idea. Here's a picture of a small scrap to give you idea what I'm working with.
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Post by: jbauch357 on February 22, 2017, 11:10:19 PM
Here is a picture of a 180gr .300wm bullet I recovered from a mule deer I took at 385 yards which I'd estimate to be around 2,200fps. It entered the forward edge of the rear quarter, went through almost the entire length of the abdomen, punched through a rib on the opposite side, then came to rest just under the skin in the front arm pit. The slug weighed 160gr of the original 180gr and in my eyes expanded picture perfect.
Post by: Yondering on February 23, 2017, 12:29:25 PM
Post by: yorketransport on February 25, 2017, 10:55:15 PM
Here's the line up of bullets tested today from left to right (ran out of day light before testing the OTM so no results on that one):
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140 Berger, 160 Matrix, 200 NAB, 250 Barnes RN, 277gr MTAC, 300 OTM, 300 Hybrid, 300 Scenar, 300 SMK 303 Hammer, 450 TSX, 500 RN
300gr Berger Hybrid
- Muzzle Velocity 1801 fps
Impact velocity is roughly 1720 fps with a retained weight of 300.5gr and 300.2gr and penetrated 15.75" and 15". The bullets actually weigh slightly more because of the leather material getting trapped in the expanded bullet. I removed as much as I could but clearly didn't get it all. Both bullets tumbled on impact and were recovered facing backwards.
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300gr Lapua Scenar
- Muzzle Velocity 1847 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1760 fps with a retained weight of 284.2 and 300.4 with penetration of 16.5" and 14". Both bullets tumbled and were facing backwards when recovered.(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F3FB9198E-ADCD-4A29-8283-72A1B0D0EBB3.jpg&hash=39d64a3704fae941e001d43ffd6c130e23e24d74) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/3FB9198E-ADCD-4A29-8283-72A1B0D0EBB3.jpg.html)
300gr Sierra MK
- Muzzle velocity 1850 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1760 fps with a retained weight of 266.0 and 266.1 with both bullets penetrating 10.5". Performance of the SMK was phenomenal given the impact velocity. 1760 fps is roughly the velocity that this bullet would have at 1100 yards when fired with a muzzle velocity of 2850, typical of the 338 Edge/Lapua.(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FCE5237B8-EC73-4AED-8C0A-01016AE51A84.jpg&hash=5f6fe949a097349366d3eab0cb931030a892806a) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/CE5237B8-EC73-4AED-8C0A-01016AE51A84.jpg.html)
277gr Cutting Edge MTAC
- Muzzle velocity 1949 fps
Impact Velocity is approximately 1840 fps with retained weight of 277.0gr for each bullet with penetration of 8.0" and 8.5". These bullets were so unstable that they were key holing at 100 yards. These are non-expanding solids and were tested just for reference and because I have them on hand. It's worth noting the significant damage that they would have caused on impact while tumbling end over end through the target or 8"
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303gr Hammer Hunter
- Muzzle Velocity 1917 fps
These bullets require a 1-9.3" twist to stabilize at velocities over 2600 fps. They were so unstable at the low velocity that they didn't make it to the 2' square target at 100 yards.Like the MTACs, I knew before testing them that they wouldn't stabilize at the low velocity. I'll retest them later under more appropriate conditions.
500gr Hornady RN
- Muzzle velocity 2082 fps
The impact velocity is approximately 1835 fps with a retained weight of 498.2gr and 15" of penetration. This is my "plinking" load for the 458 Arnold that gets used occasionally for rabbit hunting. it is the top bullet the photo.
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450gr Barnes TSX
- Muzzle velocity 2215 fps
The impact velocity is approximately 2095 fps with a retained weight of 450gr and 13.5" of penetration. This is the bottom bullet in the picture above.
200gr Accubond
- Muzzle velocity 2688 fps
The impact velocity is approximately 2541 fps with a retained weight of 150.6 and 150.4 and penetration of 9.0". Both bullets penetrated the same depth and retained nearly identical weights. Accubonds are proving to be one of the most consistent bullets I've tested. This load was used in January to harvest a cow elk at around 200 yards with excellent results.
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250gr Barnes Original RN
- Muzzle velocity 2280 fps
The impact velocity is approximately 2100 fps with a retained weight of 235.6gr and 245.7gr and penetration of 8.0". Both bullets penetrated the same depth and expanded to have a very large frontal area. Weight retention and expansion for a non-bonded was impressive.
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140gr Berger VLD Hunting
- Muzzle velocity 1869 fps
The impact velocity is approximately 1759 fps with retained weight of 140gr for both bullets and penetration of 10.5" and 9.5".The bullets should have been fully stabilized from the 1-8" twist even with the relatively low velocity but both bullets were recovered facing backwards. These bullets clearly require greater velocity to perform. I'll try again and go for an impact velocity over 2000 fps.
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160gr Matrix VLD
- Muzzle Velocity 1885 fps
The impact velocity is approximately 1760 fps with a retained weight of 160gr and 10.0" penetration. This bullet was marginally stabilized from the 1-8" twist at the low velocity. Also, past experience has show that the extremely heavy for caliber bullet performs poorly with polygonal rifling like that used in the Blackhole barrel used on my CZ 527 6.5 Grendel. The theory is that the poly rifling simply doesn't grip the bullet well enough to get full stability. Only one of the two bullets was recovered and it was facing backwards. The other bullet became unstable and exited the side of the bullet trap.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 25, 2017, 11:02:03 PM
Love the look on that 450 tsx. About the same velocity as in my lott I'm running the 500's right now. I have some Aframes to test as well.
Post by: yorketransport on February 26, 2017, 09:59:14 AM
Got to love some NAB'S and SMK'S. I burn though a few thousand every year.
Love the look on that 450 tsx. About the same velocity as in my lott I'm running the 500's right now. I have some Aframes to test as well.
It's hard no to love the big bore TSX bullets, they just look mean! I keep wanting to try some of the A-frames or Partitions but I can't imagine they'd do anything that the TSX won't. The 500gr load is my "cheap" load although even a 500gr Hornady isn't exactly cheap!
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 26, 2017, 10:12:23 AM
:tup: :tup:
Post by: yorketransport on February 26, 2017, 10:47:25 AM
Savage Striker 338/375 Ruger
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Ruger M77 tang safety 300 Win Mag
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Arnold Arms Stainless 2000 458 Arnold
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CZ 527 in 6.5 Grendel
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Test loads sorted and ready to go.
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Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 26, 2017, 11:23:31 AM
If not and you want some let me know and I'll get some your way.
I've also got a box of 30 cal 180 interlock flat base on the bench I could send some over also (saw them mentioned above)
How about some eld x bullets?
I have experience with all the bullets I mentioned on game but might be cool to see the comparison to these others in the same media.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 26, 2017, 11:51:04 AM
Great tests! I love to see this type of testing.
Post by: yorketransport on February 26, 2017, 12:15:18 PM
Hey yorke, you have any 215 bergers to send through your test?
If not and you want some let me know and I'll get some your way.
I've also got a box of 30 cal 180 interlock flat base on the bench I could send some over also (saw them mentioned above)
How about some eld x bullets?
I have experience with all the bullets I mentioned on game but might be cool to see the comparison to these others in the same media.
Any bullets you can spare, I'll give them a go. I've never played with any of the ELD bullets so I'm kind curious to see how they do. I haven't played with any of the heavy 30 cal Bergers either, just up to the 185 VLD. I'll shoot you a PM with my address if you don't mind sending a couple.
Did you consider saturating the leather? Dry leather seems like it would produce more friction and distort the bullets more/differently than in a wet medium.
Great tests! I love to see this type of testing.
I'm working on a way to do that. Since this is all treated leather, it's water repellent. It is a lot softer than a dry holster leather or something similar though. Next trip out I'm going to try tossing the leather in a big plastic bin filled with water instead of stacking it. So far though, bullets recovered from the leather match bullet's I've recovered from game at similar ranges. Yesterday I fired a 130gr Accubond from the Grendel into the leather at the same range that I shot my deer at last season. The bullets look almost identical; I'll snap a picture of them side by side. Same with the 275gr bullet from the 480 Ruger. The penetration in the leather is a fraction of what it is in animal tissue though.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 26, 2017, 12:20:33 PM
Hey yorke, you have any 215 bergers to send through your test?
If not and you want some let me know and I'll get some your way.
I've also got a box of 30 cal 180 interlock flat base on the bench I could send some over also (saw them mentioned above)
How about some eld x bullets?
I have experience with all the bullets I mentioned on game but might be cool to see the comparison to these others in the same media.
Any bullets you can spare, I'll give them a go. I've never played with any of the ELD bullets so I'm kind curious to see how they do. I haven't played with any of the heavy 30 cal Bergers either, just up to the 185 VLD. I'll shoot you a PM with my address if you don't mind sending a couple.Did you consider saturating the leather? Dry leather seems like it would produce more friction and distort the bullets more/differently than in a wet medium.
Great tests! I love to see this type of testing.
I'm working on a way to do that. Since this is all treated leather, it's water repellent. It is a lot softer than a dry holster leather or something similar though. Next trip out I'm going to try tossing the leather in a big plastic bin filled with water instead of stacking it. So far though, bullets recovered from the leather match bullet's I've recovered from game at similar ranges. Yesterday I fired a 130gr Accubond from the Grendel into the leather at the same range that I shot my deer at last season. The bullets look almost identical; I'll snap a picture of them side by side. Same with the 275gr bullet from the 480 Ruger. The penetration in the leather is a fraction of what it is in animal tissue though.
I think you should add some pork ribs to the matrix.....
Post by: yorketransport on February 26, 2017, 12:30:15 PM
I think you should add some pork ribs to the matrix.....
I've been thinking of going by Stewart's meats and seeing if I can get some bones from them to throw in there.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 26, 2017, 12:34:37 PM
I think you should add some pork ribs to the matrix.....
I've been thinking of going by Stewart's meats and seeing if I can get some bones from them to throw in there.
It would be the ethical thing to do.......
And maybe a still beating heart to see what it really takes to make it stop...
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2017, 12:41:15 PM
Post by: yorketransport on February 26, 2017, 12:45:47 PM
It would be the ethical thing to do.......
And maybe a still beating heart to see what it really takes to make it stop...
Do you know anyone who can pull that whole Indian Jones rip the heart out of their chest thing? I'll pay them for their time of course.....
Post by: grundy53 on February 26, 2017, 12:51:12 PM
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Post by: yorketransport on February 26, 2017, 02:26:09 PM
Love the performance of the 200 grain Accubonds. That's my go to bullet for elk.
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Any chance you have a recovered bullet? I'd love to compare what I've got to whatever you guys have actually recovered from game animals.
Post by: grundy53 on February 26, 2017, 03:12:21 PM
I definitely have pictures. Not sure if I have an actual bullet.Love the performance of the 200 grain Accubonds. That's my go to bullet for elk.
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Any chance you have a recovered bullet? I'd love to compare what I've got to whatever you guys have actually recovered from game animals.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 26, 2017, 03:35:12 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 26, 2017, 06:04:43 PM
Fun stuff york! Thanks for sharing it all. I'm with BullBlaster, I'd love to see those 215's! I currently running the 212 eldx in my 300wsm. My youth hunter took a big cow with it a few weekends ago on a damage control tag. I've got a whole pile of them if you need some more bullets to play with.I've got a bunch of bullets sitting on the bench to mail out to him this week!
Post by: yorketransport on February 26, 2017, 06:36:19 PM
Fun stuff york! Thanks for sharing it all. I'm with BullBlaster, I'd love to see those 215's! I currently running the 212 eldx in my 300wsm. My youth hunter took a big cow with it a few weekends ago on a damage control tag. I've got a whole pile of them if you need some more bullets to play with.
I'll add them to the list if you can spare a few!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 26, 2017, 06:51:53 PM
pm inbound :tup:Fun stuff york! Thanks for sharing it all. I'm with BullBlaster, I'd love to see those 215's! I currently running the 212 eldx in my 300wsm. My youth hunter took a big cow with it a few weekends ago on a damage control tag. I've got a whole pile of them if you need some more bullets to play with.
I'll add them to the list if you can spare a few!
Post by: b23 on February 26, 2017, 08:54:20 PM
Fun stuff york! Thanks for sharing it all. I'm with BullBlaster, I'd love to see those 215's! I currently running the 212 eldx in my 300wsm. My youth hunter took a big cow with it a few weekends ago on a damage control tag. I've got a whole pile of them if you need some more bullets to play with.
I'll add them to the list if you can spare a few!
Didn't see it on your list but have you tested any Berger 230gr .30cal or 208 Amax? Can send you a few more if you'd like to test them.
Post by: Jolten on February 26, 2017, 09:03:25 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 27, 2017, 04:47:06 PM
30 cal 215 Berger hybrids
30 cal 180 sp interlock
7mm 162 eld x
6.5mm 143 eld x
Post by: yorketransport on February 27, 2017, 09:35:08 PM
York... Would you be willing to test out some 85gr (.243) Sierra gameking hpbt and it's bigger brother 165gr (.308) gameking HPBT in both the .243win and .308 cartridges? If I mailed some to you of course.
Absolutely! I may improvise and run them from the 6mm BR and 30-06 though. I have 243 and 308 barres sitting under my work bench, but I'm too lazy to mount them on actions. :chuckle:
Dropped some bullets in the mail today.
30 cal 215 Berger hybrids
30 cal 180 sp interlock
7mm 162 eld x
6.5mm 143 eld x
Thanks for the bag-O-bullets!
Post by: jasnt on February 28, 2017, 05:48:42 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 28, 2017, 08:37:51 AM
Post by: sumpnz on February 28, 2017, 10:17:56 AM
I have some 140gr Hornady's I can spare if necessary. Don't have any Barnes 120's though, at least not yet.
FWIW, I've never recovered a 6.5mm 140gr Hornady. Put 3 or 4 of them through deer. In my 9.3mm the Spire Points have taken 2 elk at 200-250 yards with complete pass throughs.
Post by: Yondering on February 28, 2017, 11:49:43 AM
Post by: yorketransport on February 28, 2017, 09:39:53 PM
I've been shooting 140gr Hornady Spire Points in my 6.5x55 and am considering switching to 120gr Barnes TTSX. Would love to see those bullets tested for comparison sake. Especially at 2200-2500fps impact velocities.
I have some 140gr Hornady's I can spare if necessary. Don't have any Barnes 120's though, at least not yet.
I think I have some of the 140 Hornadys tucked away somewhere, I'll see if I can find them. I haven't tried the 120 TTSX but I was going to give them a go out of my 6.5 BRX when I had that put together.
York, do you have any 123 A-max to try in that Grendel (or preferably, at Creedmoor velocity)?
I do have some of those. I'll get some loaded up and give them a go. Is there any special impact velocity you're looking for?
212 eldx and 210 ablr going in the mail this afternoon york
Excellent, thanks!
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 28, 2017, 10:08:00 PM
Post by: Yondering on March 01, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
York, do you have any 123 A-max to try in that Grendel (or preferably, at Creedmoor velocity)?
I do have some of those. I'll get some loaded up and give them a go. Is there any special impact velocity you're looking for?
Nothing real specific, but maybe ~2200-2400 fps, which would be roughly 250-400 yards from a Creedmoor depending on the load.
Very interested to see what you come up with!
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 01, 2017, 03:55:33 PM
I'd like data at 10ft 50ft 25yds and a 100yards.
I'd also like to know if they are tumbling after impact.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 01, 2017, 08:03:09 PM
I have a bunch of old BB's you can test.What kind of impact velocity to you expect? And how well do you think they will mushroom?
I'd like data at 10ft 50ft 25yds and a 100yards.
I'd also like to know if they are tumbling after impact.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 01, 2017, 08:05:24 PM
I have a bunch of old BB's you can test.will these get mag dumped or more of a spray and pray?
I'd like data at 10ft 50ft 25yds and a 100yards.
I'd also like to know if they are tumbling after impact.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 01, 2017, 08:14:17 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 01, 2017, 08:49:49 PM
Volleyfire
Is there any other way?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 02, 2017, 09:55:10 AM
if there is si sure haven't found or learned it. :chuckle:Volleyfire
Is there any other way?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 02, 2017, 10:09:40 AM
I bet you own a 10/22 as well :yike:if there is si sure haven't found or learned it. :chuckle:Volleyfire
Is there any other way?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 02, 2017, 03:04:26 PM
I cannot confirm or deny... :chuckle:I bet you own a 10/22 as well :yike:if there is si sure haven't found or learned it. :chuckle:Volleyfire
Is there any other way?
Post by: yorketransport on March 02, 2017, 10:27:57 PM
Didn't see it on your list but have you tested any Berger 230gr .30cal or 208 Amax? Can send you a few more if you'd like to test them.
I don't have either of those yet. As always, if you can spare a few I'll try them!
I have a bunch of old BB's you can test.
I'd like data at 10ft 50ft 25yds and a 100yards.
I'd also like to know if they are tumbling after impact.
Do you have a specific impact velocity you want tested? I need to know whether to use the Red Ryder or step up to the heavy artillery and go with the multi-pump.
Thanks to BLRman for the 212 and 210 30 calibers to shoot, as well as the inspirational note :chuckle:. And thanks to Bullblaster for sending me a bag of bullets that I'll have to take a pair of calipers and a digital scale to just to figure out what they are. :bash: :chuckle:
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I've got a thread going on Long Range Hunting as well and a couple of guys over there are sending bullets too. I'll get a count this weekend of all the different stuff I have to test. I'm going to make a bullet board with one of each bullet from the testing.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 03, 2017, 07:02:04 AM
Didn't see it on your list but have you tested any Berger 230gr .30cal or 208 Amax? Can send you a few more if you'd like to test them.
I don't have either of those yet. As always, if you can spare a few I'll try them!I have a bunch of old BB's you can test.
I'd like data at 10ft 50ft 25yds and a 100yards.
I'd also like to know if they are tumbling after impact.
Do you have a specific impact velocity you want tested? I need to know whether to use the Red Ryder or step up to the heavy artillery and go with the multi-pump.
Thanks to BLRman for the 212 and 210 30 calibers to shoot, as well as the inspirational note :chuckle:. And thanks to Bullblaster for sending me a bag of bullets that I'll have to take a pair of calipers and a digital scale to just to figure out what they are. :bash: :chuckle:
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Glad I could help! :chuckle: ziplock baggies are hard to come by!
there's only 4 different bullets there.
Solid red tips are 7mm translucent (sp?) red tips are 6.5.
Besides I know you like fondling bullets as much as the rest of us.
Post by: yorketransport on March 05, 2017, 11:20:03 AM
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My testing got cut short after a the snow rolled in and I couldn't see the target at 100 yards any more. I did get 7 new bullets tested though out of the 26 that I have to test at the moment. Yesterday's test guns included the Ruger 77 300 Win Mag, 338/375 Ruger Savage Striker and to test the 270 bullets, I used a 270 AR. For those not familiar with it it's a wildcat formed from shortened 6.5x47 Lapua brass with a case capacity of 43.2gr.
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Like previous tests, 2 shots were fired at 100 yards with each load. Because of the different style of testing used this time out I won't include the penetration. I'm not confident that I was able to get good measurements on any of the bullets this time around. I will note that the shank of the Hammer bullets Sledgehammers made it almost completely through the test medium.
270 AR
-130gr Swift Scirocco II
- Muzzle velocity 2571 fps
Retained velocity at impact is approximately 2400 fps with retained weights of 125.5gr and 126.8. This would be similar to the impact velocity from a 270 Win at 400 yards.
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-130gr Nosler E-Tip
- Muzzle velocity 2565 fps
Retained velocity on impact is approximately 2400 fps with retained weights of 129.1 and 129.3 grains. These bullets showed the second best penetration of the loads tested. Again, this impact velocity is similar to a 270 Win at 400 yards. This is a bullet that I have on hand and will likely test some more. The mild load I used for this test shot under 1 MOA and would perform very well as a 300 yard hunting load from the AR with a muzzle velocity of about 2700 fps.
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-135gr Sierra MK
- Muzzle velocity 2580 fps
Retained velocity on impact is approximately 2425 fps. Retained weight would be considered zero in my mind. The cores completely separated from the jackets after very little penetration. This result is dramatically different than my experience with the 300gr SMK in this test.
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338/375 Ruger
- 224gr Sledgehammer
- Muzzle velocity 2160 fps
Retained velocity on impact is approximately 1975 fps. Retained weight of the bullet shanks after petal separation are 186.2 and 186.3 grains. Impact velocity was calculated using a BC of .3 due to the relatively large HP and blunt profile of these bullets. As stated earlier, these bullets out penetrated everything else tested yesterday by a considerable margin.
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- 250gr Sierra MK
- Muzzle velocity 2610 FPS
Retained velocity on impact is approximately 2440 fps. Retained weight of the bullets is again what I would consider zero. The jacket and cores completely separated very quickly after impact and penetrated only a few inches. This impact velocity would be similar to a 338 Lapua/338 RUM at 400 yards.
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300 Win Mag
- 210 Nosler ABLR
- Muzzle velocity 2620
Retained velocity on impact is approximately 2500 fps with retained weights of 160.4gr and 128.3gr. This load ended up with a higher muzzle velocity than I wanted so I will likely retest these with a muzzle velocity closer to 2200 fps.
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- 242 SXRH
- Muzzle velocity 2065 fps
Retained velocity on impact is likely in the 1975 range. Retained weight would be what I consider zero. These penetrated approximately 3" and did massive damage, but retained very little weight. This is a bullet that a guy over on Long Range Hunting makes and I believe is intended for low velocity impacts. I think I'll need to move to a longer range to get better low velocity impact data on this one. If I run the muzzle velocity any lower I don't think it well be adequately stabilized.
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I started this just to play around since I've always been a bullet scrounge since I started shooting as a kid. Over the years I started to move towards either mono-metal or bonded bullets for all of my hunting guns and so far these tests have pretty much confirmed what I always believed. The most consistent results I'm seeing are from the Accubonds and the solid copper bullets. Accubonds have always worked well for me and other folks I know but there's talk of moving to lead free ammo here in WA so I started moving over to the solid coppers. I've run a lot of Barnes bullets over the years and I've never been disappointed with how they perform. Last year I started to move over towards the Hammer Hunter bullets to replace my Accubonds and I'm really happy with how they're preforming in all these tests too.
I still have a ton of bullets to get to! This is the line up of stuff I wanted to get done this weekend.
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143 ELDX, 147 ELDM, 150 Matrix, 162 ELDX, 180 SP, 210 ABLR, 212 ELDX, 215 Berger, 242 SXRH, 250 Berger
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135 SMK, 130 E-tip, 130 Scirocco II, 225 SGK, 200 TTSX, 225 TSX, 260 AB, 300 SGK, 350 SMK
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88gr HH, 130 SH, 181 HH, 185 SH, 224 SH, 255 SH, 283 SH
A huge thanks (I think:D) to everyone who's sent bullets and helped me out. Keep the feedback coming if there's a way you guy's would like to see this improved.
Andrew
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 05, 2017, 12:27:38 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 05, 2017, 04:22:57 PM
Post by: yorketransport on March 05, 2017, 04:32:21 PM
Would you want to try some legacy bullet testing? I have a couple (have to check how many flavors) bullets dating back to the 50s-60s. I know it is not very practical (impossible to find most now) to use these bullets but it may interest some to compare performance of past n present.
I'm all for it! The 250gr Barnes original that I tested in the 300 did incredibly well!
Post by: yorketransport on March 11, 2017, 08:54:33 PM
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6mm BR
- 105 Lapua Scenar
- Muzzle velocity 2630 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2470 fps with retained weights of 75.9 and 82.8gr. I was very surprised by how well these bullets performed.
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- 88gr Hammer Hunter
- Muzzle velocity 2553
Impact velocity is approximately 2310 fps with a retained weight of 58.5gr. Two bullets were recovered but I dropped one of these in the snow and wasn't able to find them. This is a new bullet that I plan to load at a higher velocity as a hunting bullet in the 6mm BR.
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6.5x47 Lapua
- 140gr Berger VLD Hunting
- Muzzle velocity 2745
Impact velocity is approximately 2605 fps with a retained weight of 135.8gr. Two bullets were recovered but I dropped one of these in the snow and wasn't able to find it. This bullet performed much better this time than it did in the previous test. This clearly shows the difference between an under stabilized bullet and one which has been properly stabilized. This is the standard load that my daughter shoots in this rifle out to 300 yards and I'll get expansion results at longer range/lower velocity when the conditions are better.
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- 147 ELD-M
- Muzzle velocity 2090 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1975 fps with retained weights of 136.5 and 131.9gr. These bullets performed very well at the low impact velocity and would appear to give performance very similar to the Berger VLD Hunting bullet.
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-150gr Matrix VLD
- Muzzle velocity 1945
Impact velocity is approximately 1840 fps with retained weights of 133.4 and 75.9gr. I believe that one of these struck a bullet which was already in the leather and that's what caused the significant weight loss in one bullet. These were both unmodified 150gr Matrix VLDs, I have additional samples with modified nose cavities to test as well in the future.
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300 Win Mag
- 212 ELD-x
- Muzzle velocity 2680 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2555 fps with retained weights of 130.9 and 171.4. These bullets expanded much more than I would have expected them to at this velocity.
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- 215 Berger Hybrid
- Muzzle velocity 2686 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2560 fps with a retained weight of 156.8gr. The second bullet recovered had been struck by a 225gr TTSX and retained weight is not representative of actual performance.
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338/375 Ruger
- 225gr TTSX
- Muzzle velocity 2721 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2560 fps with retained weights of 217.3 and 224.1gr. One of these bullets struck a 215gr Berger Hybrid which was already in the leather, resulting in one petal breaking off and irregular expansion.
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- 283gr SledgeHammer
- Muzzle velocity 2044 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1890 fps with a retained weight of 237.6gr. Due to a limited number of these bullets available I only had 2 samples loaded to test. The first shot went lower than I anticipated so only one bullet was recovered. As is typical of the design, the petals broke of and the shank of the bullet continued on. This bullet penetrated the farthest relative to the other bullets in today's test. It's worth noting that this bullet is relatively short for a heavy mono-metal bullet and fully stabilized even at the low muzzle velocity.
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Overall, today's testing didn't go as well as I would have liked but still provided plenty of usable data. Conditions were similar to elk hunting in November, wet and cold with a chance of even wetter and colder! I lost a few bullets, missed the target with another and had a couple bullets collide in the trap giving inaccurate results. Add to this the bad primers (the first bad primers I've had in 12 years!), both of them on my 143gr ELD-x loads and it was a fairly frustrating trip.
The positive results to come from this trip are, like in previous ones, the consistent results I've had from all of the solid copper bullets. I've tested 8 different solid copper bullets from 3 different manufacturers so far and they've all given text book performance. I haven't seen any examples so far of properly stabilized solid copper bullets "penciling" through and not expanding. I'll openly admit my personal bias towards the solid copper bullets for the majority of hunting situations. I've always been a fan of Barnes bullets but the Hammer bullets are proving to offer the same predictable terminal performance with the benefit of being much easier to "tune" in my experience so far. I've also had the opportunity to see the differences between expansion of properly stabilized lead core bullets when compared to under stabilized bullets of a similar design. Not that I ever had a reason to question all of the rifling twist recommendations, but this has proven to me that a properly stabilized bullet not only shoots more accurately and consistently but that it also has better terminal performance.
Andrew
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 11, 2017, 09:07:08 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 11, 2017, 09:09:05 PM
Thanks for braving the slush and giving us some good hard facts.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 11, 2017, 09:25:58 PM
I am pleased but not surprised at the 212 eld and 215 Berger hybrid performing similarly and well.:yeah:
Thanks for braving the slush and giving us some good hard facts.
Yorke when you post the 143 eld x ammo I'll post a pic of the one I recovered from my buck last fall with lots of heavy bone hit.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 12, 2017, 09:09:07 AM
I think you need to start a go find me to cover the cost of this and the other project we talked about.
Post by: yorketransport on March 12, 2017, 09:26:10 AM
Yorke
I think you need to start a go find me to cover the cost of this and the other project we talked about.
That's not a bad idea. Shooting up everybody else's reloading components can get expensive! :chuckle: I think the other project will need even more just to cover the cost of the inevitable legal fees.
Post by: Eric M on March 12, 2017, 09:35:30 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 12, 2017, 09:39:47 AM
And a still beating heart can't be cheap.
This goes waaaay beyond that.
It is perhaps the most brilliant business idea ever.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 12, 2017, 10:21:00 AM
YorkeHehe hiding? Go Fund me might be better ..... :chuckle:
I think you need to start a go find me to cover the cost of this and the other project we talked about.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 12, 2017, 10:23:56 AM
YorkeHehe hiding? Go Fund me might be better ..... :chuckle:
I think you need to start a go find me to cover the cost of this and the other project we talked about.
Sometimes.......I hate iphones
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 12, 2017, 10:40:47 AM
i got a chunk of change for you guys if your secret project happens. I mean it can't be anything but awesome with you 2 thinking it up. :chuckle:YorkeHehe hiding? Go Fund me might be better ..... :chuckle:
I think you need to start a go find me to cover the cost of this and the other project we talked about.
Sometimes.......I hate iphones
Post by: yorketransport on March 12, 2017, 10:52:26 AM
i got a chunk of change for you guys if your secret project happens. I mean it can't be anything but awesome with you 2 thinking it up. :chuckle:YorkeHehe hiding? Go Fund me might be better ..... :chuckle:
I think you need to start a go find me to cover the cost of this and the other project we talked about.
Sometimes.......I hate iphones
Investors are always welcome. Do you happen to own either an old charter bus or a large horse trailer? Both would be even better! :tup:
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 12, 2017, 10:55:45 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on March 12, 2017, 10:59:06 AM
i got a chunk of change for you guys if your secret project happens. I mean it can't be anything but awesome with you 2 thinking it up. :chuckle:YorkeHehe hiding? Go Fund me might be better ..... :chuckle:
I think you need to start a go find me to cover the cost of this and the other project we talked about.
Sometimes.......I hate iphones
Investors are always welcome. Do you happen to own either an old charter bus or a large horse trailer? Both would be even better! :tup:
Both would be best as the wood fired pizza oven would be in the bus and not with the ponys.
Post by: yorketransport on March 26, 2017, 12:10:31 PM
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375 Ruger
- 260 Accubond
- Muzzle Velocity 2630fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2460 fps with retained weights of 194.3 and 203.4gr. Performance is typical of what I expect from Accubonds with good, consistent expansion. It's interesting to note that a portion of the plastic tip is still embedded in both bullets. This load was used to take a cow elk back in January at roughly 350 yards with excellent results. That bullet was a pass through double lung and not recovered.
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- 270 Hornady Interlock
- Muzzle velocity 2627fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2415 fps with retained weights of 131.5gr and 208.6gr. These performed very similar to other Interlocks that I've recovered in the past with significant weight loss and lots of fragmentation.
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284 Win
- 162gr ELD-x
- Muzzle velocity 2298 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2175 fps with retained weights of 131.2 and 143gr. This impact velocity is similar to a standard 7mm Mag (Rem, WSM, SAUM) at 550-600 yards with a muzzle velocity of around 2900 fps.
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- 168gr Matrix VLD
- Muzzle velocity 2186fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2068 fps with retained weights of 142.3 and 147.4gr. This impact velocity is similar to a standard 7mm mag at 650-700 yards with a muzzle velocity of around 2900 fps.
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- 168 Berger VLD Hunting
- Muzzle velocity 2210 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2080 fps with retained weight of 152.1gr. I believe that this bullet hit a jacket fragment that was already in the leather, causing the irregular expansion. Only one of the two bullets fired was recovered but I believe that is also related to one of the bullets completely fragmenting after impact. I'm not certain what caused this but I'll retest in the future to see if the results are similar.
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338/375 Ruger
- 300gr Elite
- Muzzle velocity 1924
Impact velocity is approximately 1835 fps with retained weights of 300.0gr and 281.9gr. This is the second time I've tested these bullets with similar results each time. I can see where the nose starts to expand but then the jacket ruptures at the HP. These particular bullets must require a significant hydraulic force (more than the water soaked leather) to reliably expand.
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- 300gr OTM
- Muzzle velocity 1989
Impact velocity is approximately 1905 fps with retained weights of 269.5 and 278.0gr. Both of these bullets expanded more reliably than the 300gr Hybrids did.
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- 250gr Elite Hybrid
- Muzzle velocity 1814
Impact velocity is approximately 1720 fps with retained weight of 251.1 and 251gr caused by leather packed into the HP. These bullets performed like other Berger Elites that I've tested which show early expansion at the nose but then a jacket failure in the HP cavity. Like other Elite Hybrids I believe these require more fluid and/or higher velocity to perform.
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- 250 Elite Hybrid
- Muzzle velocity 2599 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2480 fps with retained weight of 192.6gr. Two bullets were fired but only one was recovered. I believe that the second bullet impacted another bullet fired into the leather and fragmented. Performance of this bullet with the higher impact velocity is much better than the low velocity impact. This impact velocity is similar to what I would expect at about 450 yards with a muzzle velocity of 3000 fps from something like a 338 Edge of long barreled Lapua.
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6.5x47 Lapua
- 143gr ELD-X
- Muzzle velocity 1960 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1845 fps with retained weights of 135.4gr and 119.0gr. These performed very similar to the other Hornady ELD series of bullets I've tested so far. I will likely test these as a replacement for the 140 Berger VLDs that I've been shooting in the 6.5x47 Lapua.
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- 150 Matrix VLD .040" HP
- Muzzle velocity 1854 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1750 fps with retained weights of 138.4 and 136.7gr. Expansion was decent but the lead core slipped significantly in both bullets with one completely separating from the jacket.
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- 150gr Matrix VLD .055" HP
- Muzzle velocity 1847 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1750 fps with retained weights of 134.5 and 139.0gr. Minimal expansion compared to the same bullet at the same velocity with a smaller HP.
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- 140gr Berger VLD Hunting
- Muzzle velocity 1842 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1725fps with retained weights of 114.5 and 121.5gr. The results this time with the 140gr VLD at a very similar velocity to my initial tests lead me to believe that my initial theory on the poor performance may have been accurate. When I fired the same bullet at nearly identical velocities from a polygonal rifled barrel, it appeared that the bullet was under stabilized and tumbled on impact. The same bullet fired at a very similar velocity from a conventionally cut rifled barrel with the same twist proved to be stabilized much better, causing significantly better expansion. This result coincides with past results comparing the performance of relatively heavy for caliber bullets in both poly rifled and conventionally rifled barrels with the same rate of twist (those were also 6.5mm barrels). It's my belief that the poly rifling just isn't getting a sufficient grip on the bullet, resulting in the bullet "slipping" in the rifling similar to a slipping clutch on a car. What you end up with is an applied riffling twist that doesn't match up with actual twist of the rifling in the barrel.
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This project is more work than my actual job! It takes on average 5 hours (including setup and tear down) to get the shooting done, then about 3 hours to collect data, calculate impact velocities, take pictures and get it all written up. I need to make my kids do more of this!:D It has been a great way to waste time while I'm waiting for the snow to melt so I can get to my better long range spots though. I won't be able to get to my 1500-2600 yard targets for another month at least.
Post by: Dan-o on March 26, 2017, 12:26:06 PM
Thank for taking the time to document and share this.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 26, 2017, 12:28:15 PM
Really not feeling much love for the Berger Elites after seeing the continued results. Looks like SMK or OTM are where its at for 300 gr long range.
That .375 accubond impressive.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 26, 2017, 12:37:36 PM
York if you get a chance to zip those 143 eldx out at a impact velocity of around 2800-2900 I would love to see it. I have hunted exclusively with them this year. I took 9 animals with them. My muzzle velocity is 3200 and I have yet to recover a bullet in any animal from 100-500 yards. I just shot 3 animals in tx all under 200 yards and saw results more like a ballistic tip at those speeds. They still killed very well but wondering whats left of them as the internal damage is amazing at that velocity.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 26, 2017, 01:37:59 PM
Curios yorke are the 338 elites you tested the hunting bullets? Or targets? Both 250 and 300. Also have you done any testing with makeinf sure the hollow point is clear? On the 215 Berger target hybrids I sent you I made sure the hollow point was open with a 1/32 or 3/64 drill bit.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 26, 2017, 01:56:54 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 26, 2017, 02:41:21 PM
I can see from Yorkes tests why there is some discussion that all Berger Elite Hunters need the tip (meplat) trimmed and annealed.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 26, 2017, 02:51:24 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 26, 2017, 03:07:38 PM
I am surprised by the results he is getting on the 338 elites. But they are lower velocity impacts.
Me too, but those are the velocities (range) that bergers are made for. I'm more excited about the SMK performance.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 26, 2017, 03:19:33 PM
Also. Any chance you can run a couple 215 bergers at a slower velocity?I think stabilization is an issue for this test with the heavies going too slow
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 26, 2017, 03:20:22 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 26, 2017, 03:29:00 PM
Makes sense.Also. Any chance you can run a couple 215 bergers at a slower velocity?I think stabilization is an issue for this test with the heavies going too slow
Post by: yorketransport on March 26, 2017, 06:20:26 PM
Curios yorke are the 338 elites you tested the hunting bullets? Or targets? Both 250 and 300. Also have you done any testing with makeinf sure the hollow point is clear? On the 215 Berger target hybrids I sent you I made sure the hollow point was open with a 1/32 or 3/64 drill bit.
The Elites have all been the hunting versions and I'm pretty surprised by the results too. So far they've all struggled at low impact velocities but done better at higher velocities. The OTMs and SMKs both did great under the same conditions that the Elites failed in. It's possible that the heavier jackets of the Elites need more fluid to make them open. I can see where they start to expand but the HP gets plugged up with material and the jacket ruptures instead of opening up. I'll get some pictures of this to show what I'm talking about.
Got to love those accubonds :tup:
York if you get a chance to zip those 143 eldx out at a impact velocity of around 2800-2900 I would love to see it. I have hunted exclusively with them this year. I took 9 animals with them. My muzzle velocity is 3200 and I have yet to recover a bullet in any animal from 100-500 yards. I just shot 3 animals in tx all under 200 yards and saw results more like a ballistic tip at those speeds. They still killed very well but wondering whats left of them as the internal damage is amazing at that velocity.
I'll see if I can run a watered down load in the 6.5 Badger, to match the 26 Nosler. :chuckle:. I'm not sure I can get them going that fast from the little 6.5 Lapua without requiring a trip to the hospital afterwards! I swiped the scope from the Badger to mount on the 6.5 Lapua, so now I just need to play musical scopes to get one mounted on the Badger.
Also. Any chance you can run a couple 215 bergers at a slower velocity?I think stabilization is an issue for this test with the heavies going too slow
And when I say I think that it's because he told me that yesterday :chuckle:
That does sound like something I'd say..... I think I'll have to shoot some of the heavy 30 calibers at longer range get the low velocity impacts or find somebody with a fast twist 30 caliber to use. Maybe it's time to build a 1:8" tist 300 Norma!
Post by: Jolten on March 26, 2017, 06:49:22 PM
Post by: yorketransport on March 26, 2017, 06:56:48 PM
I'm excited to see how the Sierra gameking HPBT i sent out compare to these more premium bullets.
I'm going to try and get those loaded up for next weeks test. They'll give me a break from shooting the heavy bullets in the magnums. Not that I don't love the heavy guns, but shooting the 300gr bullets out of the 338 pistol gets old pretty fast! :chuckle:
Post by: Jolten on March 26, 2017, 07:15:41 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 26, 2017, 09:21:19 PM
Curios yorke are the 338 elites you tested the hunting bullets? Or targets? Both 250 and 300. Also have you done any testing with makeinf sure the hollow point is clear? On the 215 Berger target hybrids I sent you I made sure the hollow point was open with a 1/32 or 3/64 drill bit.Got to love those accubonds :tup:
York if you get a chance to zip those 143 eldx out at a impact velocity of around 2800-2900 I would love to see it. I have hunted exclusively with them this year. I took 9 animals with them. My muzzle velocity is 3200 and I have yet to recover a bullet in any animal from 100-500 yards. I just shot 3 animals in tx all under 200 yards and saw results more like a ballistic tip at those speeds. They still killed very well but wondering whats left of them as the internal damage is amazing at that velocity.
I'll see if I can run a watered down load in the 6.5 Badger, to match the 26 Nosler. :chuckle:. I'm not sure I can get them going that fast from the little 6.5 Lapua without requiring a trip to the hospital afterwards! I swiped the scope from the Badger to mount on the 6.5 Lapua, so now I just need to play musical scopes to get one mounted on the Badger.
:chuckle: to funny. I had them up to 3300 in that 6.5 STW but I was getting a little to much of a moon print on my brass so tamed her down to 3200. Yes indeed I think the lapua would go pop trying to get that out of her and we don't want a hospital fun raiser for you lol. I would chip in a few bucks though :chuckle: I'm done hunting now for the year so no rush but I would appreciate it for sure. I love my accubonds but the eldx shot so great and killed very well from small to large critters and 100-500 yards I am impressed. Hard on meat at under 200 if you get anything solid :yike:
Post by: yorketransport on April 02, 2017, 08:30:48 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F2CB7BCC2-4FD0-412A-98D0-831BB3B9C3DD.jpg&hash=9cf8dc8eef6eeb62df82d15b8dbef9d7d6c59047) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/2CB7BCC2-4FD0-412A-98D0-831BB3B9C3DD.jpg.html)
6mm BR
- 85gr Sierra Game King HPBT
- Muzzle velocity 1970 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1725 fps with retained weights of 84.7gr and 84.1gr. I'm impressed with how well these expanded at such a low velocity.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FAD05A3F0-760F-4543-A5B9-AD9F61BEBC3C.jpg&hash=48a6b455a15aeaa81dc3c8a1ef16acd191ed8051) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/AD05A3F0-760F-4543-A5B9-AD9F61BEBC3C.jpg.html)
6.5 Grendel
- 130gr Berger AR Hybrid
- Muzzle velocity 1910 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1790 fps with retained weights of 130.2gr and 130.4gr caused by the leather material filling the HP. As with almost every Berger Hybrid I've tested so far, these did not expand at the low velocity.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FA80F7908-3279-44CD-9542-E3278CA6BCAF.jpg&hash=84c4a1810b5d21a46be4af583fda94e8132cc851) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/A80F7908-3279-44CD-9542-E3278CA6BCAF.jpg.html)
- 123gr A-Max
- Muzzle velocity 1905 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1777 fps with retained weights of 114.0gr and 116.4gr. I incorrectly marked this as a 130gr bullet in the picture, that's why it's been edited.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FA1762DC6-2167-4105-B159-95FB59152C57_1.jpg&hash=419d53255f800770c8347280f8f94ff653446487) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/A1762DC6-2167-4105-B159-95FB59152C57_1.jpg.html)
- 123 SST
- Muzzle velocity 1886 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1754 fps with retained weights of 114.8gr and 112.8gr. It was interesting that these bullets had a muzzle velocity 20 fps (with a single digit ES from both loads) slower than the 123 A-Max with the exact same load. performance between the SST and A-Max is almost indistinguishable.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FC199CBA6-6BF6-44E6-ABB4-9E04295EFA09.jpg&hash=7104dfb4c2f92d2e94a135908f48734a084ca5d7) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/C199CBA6-6BF6-44E6-ABB4-9E04295EFA09.jpg.html)
6.5x47 Lapua
- 142 Nosler ABLR
- Muzzle velocity 1893 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1775 fps with a retained weight of 132.9gr. Two bullets were fired but only one was recovered. It's likely that the bullet is still stuck in the leather and I just haven't found it yet.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F54E34B9B-D0A8-4109-B0BF-3434E1907804.jpg&hash=09568cdf88bbe6d09e7ffb3cd483ed5e97f5db95) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/54E34B9B-D0A8-4109-B0BF-3434E1907804.jpg.html)
300 Win Mag
- 165 Sierra Game King HPBT
- Muzzle velocity 2945 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2745 fps with a retained weight of 102.1gr from the one bullet recovered and the second one completely fragmented after 1.5" of penetration. I'm going to test these at a lower velocity as well out of either a 30-06 or 308, curiosity just got the best of me and I wanted to see how it would do under a high velocity impact. Sorry Jolten :chuckle: I think they held up pretty well though considering the impact velocity.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F225393F8-56FA-4D58-9DB7-EBB336D68906.jpg&hash=1f6ad3c2ca7a98a09ed8de65268d0ffa7dbb3277) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/225393F8-56FA-4D58-9DB7-EBB336D68906.jpg.html)
- 150gr Sledge Hammer
- Muzzle velocity 1745fps
Impact Velocity is approximately 1680fps with retained weights of 150gr each. These were shot at relatively close range using Trail Boss powder and is well bellow the recommended 1800 fps minimum for expansion. All of the Hammers have performed exactly how I would expect them to when inside the recommended velocity window so I wanted to see what would happen at an extremely low velocity. I'm not at all surprised by the lack of expansion but it was interesting that the HP curled in instead of expanding outwards on impact.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F412DF27D-8356-4B36-9362-328E86C5F886.jpg&hash=bc76b6bb90a0e8f0d123e8c7af7c0d35e59d5692) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/412DF27D-8356-4B36-9362-328E86C5F886.jpg.html)
- 225gr ELD-M
- Muzzle Velocity 2153 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2051 fps with retained weights of 172.6gr and 129.7gr. One of these was struck by a 200gr TTSX bullet which caused the more significant weight loss of one bullet.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FF5569272-5DBD-45D6-B713-9E9BF69A8583.jpg&hash=f35451ae466469ec0f2a3e5058f5c55643009a7e) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/F5569272-5DBD-45D6-B713-9E9BF69A8583.jpg.html)
- 200gr ELD-X
- Muzzle velocity 2209 fps
Impact Velocity is approximately 2085 fps with retained weights of 183.1gr and 179.1gr. The core slipped out on one bullet but was recovered.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F3CB3139C-2E39-4605-9DD4-B793F7661BE9.jpg&hash=fbcbd85b35329ea47affa73b5434bb7646f27c2d) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/3CB3139C-2E39-4605-9DD4-B793F7661BE9.jpg.html)
35 Whelen
- 200gr TTSX
- Muzzle velocity 2740 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2449 fps with retained weights of 170.9gr and 198.5gr. One of these bullets struck a 200gr ELD-x and lost one petal. This is a load that was already loaded up for this rifle. I'll get a lower velocity load to test at a later date.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FD0A8F9F7-8369-4F7B-BB44-B49D25D9E85E.jpg&hash=c3a58ec2ee75fbc92f3d2aca845864cdf7b04d21) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/D0A8F9F7-8369-4F7B-BB44-B49D25D9E85E.jpg.html)
Once again, today's test showed that the Berger Hybrids don't expand well under these conditions, I'm not sure whether it's the test medium that I'm using or the low velocity. Since other styles of Berger VLDs have performed better in the same tests I have to assume that it has to do with the design of the hybrids. I've also been very impressed by all of the Hornady bullets I've tested so far whether it's the newer ELD series or the A-max and SSTs. It' hard to argue with the results they've given compared to some bullets that cost significantly more.
Andrew
I'm trying to fix the pictures, but Photobucket isn't cooperating tonight.
Post by: grundy53 on April 02, 2017, 09:20:15 PM
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 02, 2017, 09:29:04 PM
Post by: Jolten on April 02, 2017, 09:56:08 PM
Post by: jasnt on April 03, 2017, 06:16:55 AM
Post by: Yondering on April 03, 2017, 10:26:04 AM
Any chance you could repost that 123 Amax pic? The link doesn't work.
I'm interested in more testing on the 35's, particularly the 225 Partition. I really like them in the Whelen, but have never recovered one, always had them exit. Sweet looking rifle in your pic.
Post by: yorketransport on April 03, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 03, 2017, 05:49:38 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 03, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
Post by: Yondering on April 03, 2017, 07:50:38 PM
I think I got the A-Max picture fixed. Photobucket just isn't cooperating this time! All the pics in my post over on LRH are rotated 90* no matter what I do. I have a theory though, maybe Photobucket is actually owned by Berger Bullets and they're mad that I've been a little down on the Bergers through this whole test. It's just a plot by the big wigs at Berger to silence the little man!!!!! :tinfoil:
Yup it works now. Thanks!
Post by: hunter399 on April 03, 2017, 08:31:39 PM
If you did video and put on YouTube people would eat it up.
Keep at the good work. :tup:
Post by: yorketransport on April 04, 2017, 07:19:12 AM
I will never hunt boxes of leather with Bergers :tup:
So far I think the 277gr MTAC would be my low velocity bullets of choice for that, when that thing started tumbling it would take out anything in the way! :chuckle:
I'm going to try a slightly different test for some of the Bergers. I'm getting a lot of feedback saying that they need more hydraulic pressure to open up consistently. I have to say that it's only been the hybrids that I've really had trouble with. The standard VLDs have done pretty well.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 04, 2017, 07:50:46 AM
Keep it coming Yorke !
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 04, 2017, 09:18:20 AM
Thanks so much Yorke for keeping this updated
Post by: yorketransport on April 04, 2017, 09:35:33 PM
love looking at your results.
If you did video and put on YouTube people would eat it up.
Keep at the good work. :tup:
I thought about doing that, but I decided that having to edit the videos would cut into my shooting/reloading time. If I can figure out how to make money doing this, I'll quit my job and make all the you want. :chuckle:
The thick jacket and open front of the Berger probably benefits from real hydraulic pressure. I'm no expert but it sure makes sense to me.
Thanks so much Yorke for keeping this updated
I agree for the same reasons, the heavier jacket on the Hybrids is designed to help them hold together and it seems to work.
Post by: Jolten on April 04, 2017, 09:42:29 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 08, 2017, 05:28:56 PM
180 grain Nosler E-tip .300 win mag. Approximately 350 yards on a moose. Wasn't real impressed with the expansion. But it was a one shot kill.
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Post by: yorketransport on April 08, 2017, 06:29:24 PM
York if your ever in Yakima. I'll buy you a beer for all your hard work.
That may be the first good reason I ever heard to go to Yakima! :chuckle:
Just going through some pictures and found these.
180 grain Nosler E-tip .300 win mag. Approximately 350 yards on a moose. Wasn't real impressed with the expansion. But it was a one shot kill.
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Those look a lot like the 130gr 270 E-tips I tested. I would have expected yours to open up more than that though since I'm assuming the impact velocity was around 2300 fps. A dead moose is hard to get too mad about though! :tup:
Post by: grundy53 on April 08, 2017, 07:16:45 PM
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Post by: Jolten on April 08, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
York if your ever in Yakima. I'll buy you a beer for all your hard work.
That may be the first good reason I ever heard to go to Yakima! :chuckle:Just going through some pictures and found these.
180 grain Nosler E-tip .300 win mag. Approximately 350 yards on a moose. Wasn't real impressed with the expansion. But it was a one shot kill.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170409/a9f83e45b3bd72efc5e548d082cd6dd2.jpg)
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Those look a lot like the 130gr 270 E-tips I tested. I would have expected yours to open up more than that though since I'm assuming the impact velocity was around 2300 fps. A dead moose is hard to get too mad about though! :tup:
In that case better make that 2 beers
Post by: yorketransport on May 14, 2017, 07:29:30 PM
270 AR
- 117gr Hammer Hunter
- Muzzle velocity 2732 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2455 fps with a retained weight of 79.8 for just the bullet shank and a combined weight of 109.8 including the recovered petals. Only one bullet was fired into the leather due to a limited number of loaded rounds on hand when I went testing. Performance was typical of all the other Hammer bullets I've tested and this particular bullet is my new hunting bullet in this gun. I'll start a new thread to go over that.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FE2D8659C-6C0C-4093-87C3-208EF4F3100B.jpg&hash=ca2e9519e190147e10348e6bd02532c82521a802) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/E2D8659C-6C0C-4093-87C3-208EF4F3100B.jpg.html)
284 Win
- 155 Cutting Edge MTH
- Muzzle velocity 2323 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2130 fps with retained weights of 155gr each. I was pretty confident that this bullet wasn't going to stabilize from my 9.5" twist barrel and appears that is what happened. The bullets didn't expand and tumbled shortly after impact.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F44878150-CE63-4056-A496-5A4DD98D0394.jpg&hash=dac454c8ecda75ccea4e2c7b61161b78fb9e757e) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/44878150-CE63-4056-A496-5A4DD98D0394.jpg.html)
- 160 Sierra Tipped MK
- Muzzle velocity 2332 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2190 fps with retained weights of 139.5gr and 54.2gr. One bullet completely fragmented and only a few small pieces were recovered; I don't have any explanation for the performance of that particular bullet.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F83F58EA7-2A65-46C2-B585-E454B428A34C.jpg&hash=16b78c209a48dc655c68c15fd19fc0125563439f) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/83F58EA7-2A65-46C2-B585-E454B428A34C.jpg.html)
300 Win Mag
- 150 Dead Blow Hammer
- Muzzle velocity 1805 fps
Impact velocity was approximately 1640 fps with retained weights of 150gr for both samples. This bullet was tested at the extreme low end of velocity just to see how they would perform since moderate to high velocity performance of the Hammers has proven to be very consistent. To test these bullets, they were each fired into a 1 gallon water jug placed in front of the leather to help initiate low velocity impact. It appears that the impact velocity was too low (recommended velocity is 1800 fps) to effectively initiate expansion even with the 1 gallon water jug to help. I'll try these again within the recommended velocity window as well.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F4607EFEB-BBA8-4DE2-9320-A9C2D8C6A2A5.jpg&hash=97c1bcbdf37fd4ee5be247b5e26059502350957c) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/4607EFEB-BBA8-4DE2-9320-A9C2D8C6A2A5.jpg.html)
- 208 ELD-M
- Muzzle velocity 2130 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2005 fps with retained weights of 182.4gr and 187.5gr. Performance of the Hornady ELD line of bullets has been very predictable in every test and this time is no different.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FCEFF7ED1-468F-4306-AB7C-E0A0E03B299C.jpg&hash=6c5456b5af233bcddaa47fd6160eb4f0c3e3a59b) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/CEFF7ED1-468F-4306-AB7C-E0A0E03B299C.jpg.html)
35 Whelen
- 225 Sierra Game King
- Muzzle velocity 2623 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2386 fps with retained weights of 208.9 and 213.9gr. This is my practice load in the 35 Whelen which is why it's a higher muzzle velocity relative to other bullets tested.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F5F15F1E4-0650-4533-9379-BBB4B560654C.jpg&hash=77eb09c92b056b83503ee85ff11e11617258a6bb) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/5F15F1E4-0650-4533-9379-BBB4B560654C.jpg.html)
- 225 TTSX
- Muzzle velocity 2757 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 2500 fps with retained weights of 224.6gr and 225.0gr. This is my hunting load in this particular gun and I didn't have any bullets available to load reduced velocity test loads.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FE106A778-14A7-4AC7-BAAC-7F06C261B241.jpg&hash=2540bb5c9c4cb6e32dcbb7b9e55858ac1f8b239d) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/E106A778-14A7-4AC7-BAAC-7F06C261B241.jpg.html)
375 Ruger
- 300gr Sierra Game King
- Muzzle velocity 1940 fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1775 fps with retained weights of 295.4gr and 291.7gr. This is roughly the same impact velocity that at full power load from either a 375 H&H or 375 Ruger would have at 475 yards. The bullet didn't expand as well as I expected considering the large exposed lead nose.
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- 350gr Sierra MK
- Muzzle velocity 1780fps
Impact velocity is approximately 1690 fps with a retained weight of 350gr. The muzzle velocity ended up being much lower than I expected, but I was confident that this bullet would be under stabilized anyways. As expected, the bullet was unstable on impact and tumbled so only one was fired.
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This is likely the last round of tests that I'll get done. The supply of donated bullets has slowed down considerably and I'm running out of worthwhile bullets to test from my personal stash. I'll keep testing when I get enough samples to be worth setting up the leather or if I get a bullet that I'm just really interested in testing. Here's a quick run down of all the samples I've tested. I'm pretty sure I've included write ups on all of them, but if anybody sees one pictured that you don't remember seeing the data on, just let me know and I'll dig it up
6mm
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6.5mm
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2FE1BE2590-93D7-43B7-A8CE-A3650C80EAB4.jpg&hash=29dc77ca9d33fb69c02889f02e8d4c9733082ec2) (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/E1BE2590-93D7-43B7-A8CE-A3650C80EAB4.jpg.html)
270
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7mm
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308
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338
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358
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375
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458
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475
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Post by: sumpnz on May 14, 2017, 07:35:54 PM
I might be down in the general area of Yelm around mid-June and can hand deliver if you'll be around.
Post by: b23 on May 14, 2017, 08:05:53 PM
I could send you some Berger 180gr Hunting VLD's, Hornady 175gr ELD-X, and some of the new Sierra 183gr MatchKings. I'd really like to see how the 183gr MK's do because I have a hunch they're going to act similar to the Lapua Scenar's. You'll probably need at least a 9tw or maybe even 8tw or they'll likely key hole. My 7mm Blaser mag has a 8tw.
Post by: Jolten on May 14, 2017, 08:06:24 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 14, 2017, 09:27:25 PM
Post by: yorketransport on May 14, 2017, 09:31:57 PM
York I'll send you more of the gamekings if you'd like. Seems how you kinda purposely tried to blow up the 165s ;)
:chuckle: I still have a couple left, don't worry! Next time, it'll be 3000 fps!
Accubonds.... Accubonds.... :tup: :tup: :tup:Nuts! You just reminded me that I didn't add the 130gr Accubond to the picture of 6.5mm I tested. Every time I look at my list of bullets I see one that I forgot. :bash:
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 15, 2017, 05:46:52 AM
York I'll send you more of the gamekings if you'd like. Seems how you kinda purposely tried to blow up the 165s ;)
:chuckle: I still have a couple left, don't worry! Next time, it'll be 3000 fps!Accubonds.... Accubonds.... :tup: :tup: :tup:Nuts! You just reminded me that I didn't add the 130gr Accubond to the picture of 6.5mm I tested. Every time I look at my list of bullets I see one that I forgot. :bash:
.375 300gr Accubond 👍
Post by: j_h_nimrod on May 20, 2017, 12:48:28 PM
I am looking for a new load for my .375 H&H and would be curious.
Do you have an ongoing list of bullets you have tried?