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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Moose Master on February 21, 2017, 06:05:29 AM

Title: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: Moose Master on February 21, 2017, 06:05:29 AM: A friend of mine called and caught a blurb on the 60 minutes show about a rifle model that was going of by itself. She said she hadn't paid much attention and shifted channels. So anybody out there catch 60 minutes and have some better details about what she is talking about?
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: RadSav on February 21, 2017, 06:22:17 AM: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/popular-remington-700-rifle-linked-to-potentially-deadly-defects/
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: Zuus on February 21, 2017, 06:46:08 AM: Wasn't there a game warden killed in Washington years ago by a rifle that accidentally went off?
Wonder what type of rifle that was?
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: tonymiller7 on February 21, 2017, 07:22:52 AM: This is not a new issue, been going on for years.
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: grundy53 on February 21, 2017, 07:29:48 AM: :yeah: my wife heard about it and was like "you don't have one of those do you?".

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Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: TrailTreker85 on February 21, 2017, 07:51:37 AM: Like others have said this is nothing new. I think in 2014 there was a documentary call Remington under Fire. A quick google search and it comes up. I thought they were worth watching.
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: BrandonWatts on February 21, 2017, 08:13:39 AM: The walker trigger Remington used is a great trigger as long as you keep them clean. X mark pro is crap. Throw is away and replace it with a timney. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: hunter399 on February 21, 2017, 08:17:56 AM: This has been on going for a long time,and I will say it again this boils down to gun safety,always treat a firearm as if it was loaded,always point in a safe direction when loading,unloading,and taking the safety off,every one of these accidents could be avoided.
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: b23 on February 21, 2017, 10:54:06 AM: And what we will never know is how many of these problems were the result of people adjusting on them that either didn't know what they were doing or got them to light causing bump or slam fires. I personally know of multiple people who either didn't know what they were doing or over adjusted the trigger in their Rem 700's and had them go off when they closed the bolt. Of course you'll never hear anyone admit that though.
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: huntnphool on February 21, 2017, 11:06:47 AM: Quote from: tonymiller7 on February 21, 2017, 07:22:52 AM
This is not a new issue, been going on for years.
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: Wacenturion on February 21, 2017, 11:07:49 AM: Had a couple nice classics in .257 and a mountain rifle in 30-06. Got rid of every one of them a few years ago. Irregardless of some instances of user problems, there were problems with the guns themselves. Just didn't want to pass on any potential risk to my kids or grandkids.
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 21, 2017, 01:13:48 PM: Quote from: b23 on February 21, 2017, 10:54:06 AM
And what we will never know is how many of these problems were the result of people adjusting on them that either didn't know what they were doing or got them to light causing bump or slam fires. I personally know of multiple people who either didn't know what they were doing or over adjusted the trigger in their Rem 700's and had them go off when they closed the bolt. Of course you'll never hear anyone admit that though.
This. Just like the kid in this story. He was obviously doing some pretty dumb stuff to even be able to be in the situation that led up to him shooting his brother. But we are gonna pin it on the rifle.

No doubt there is some sort of issue but if people would stop pointing their rifles at people when they have a hot weapon then people wouldn't get shot.
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: Miles on February 21, 2017, 02:44:12 PM: Muzzle control is obviously the most important factor here. However, why take on the added risk of having an accident. I do not own any Remington firearms, and honestly will steer clear of them due to this issue. In fact my wife was so concerned after the show, she went and checked her guns to make sure they weren't Remington's.

It would be like buying or driving a car that is known to have random instant loss of steering and braking issues... How many here would take their chances in that situation?
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 21, 2017, 03:23:03 PM: I don't personally see it as enough of an issue to swear off Remington over... replace the trigger and safety and it's all better. Plus you would have made it better at the same time.
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: huntnphool on February 21, 2017, 03:27:43 PM: Quote from: BULLBLASTER on February 21, 2017, 03:23:03 PM
I don't personally see it as enough of an issue to swear off Remington over... replace the trigger and safety and it's all better. Plus you would have made it better at the same time.

I'll give 25 cents on the dollar for anyone wanting to get rid of their potentially problematic Model 700's. :tup:
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: biggfish on February 21, 2017, 04:04:16 PM: There is a new recall for xmp triggered rifles. It's funny since this is what they're putting into the class action settled rifles.

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Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: Karl Blanchard on February 21, 2017, 04:08:30 PM: Quote from: Miles on February 21, 2017, 02:44:12 PM
Muzzle control is obviously the most important factor here. However, why take on the added risk of having an accident. I do not own any Remington firearms, and honestly will steer clear of them due to this issue. In fact my wife was so concerned after the show, she went and checked her guns to make sure they weren't Remington's.

It would be like buying or driving a car that is known to have random instant loss of steering and braking issues... How many here would take their chances in that situation?
well I do drive a Toyota :chuckle:
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: Alchase on February 21, 2017, 05:11:52 PM: Quote from: BLRman on February 21, 2017, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: Miles on February 21, 2017, 02:44:12 PM
Muzzle control is obviously the most important factor here. However, why take on the added risk of having an accident. I do not own any Remington firearms, and honestly will steer clear of them due to this issue. In fact my wife was so concerned after the show, she went and checked her guns to make sure they weren't Remington's.

It would be like buying or driving a car that is known to have random instant loss of steering and braking issues... How many here would take their chances in that situation?
well I do drive a Toyota :chuckle:

Dang, Jamison out the nose feels terrible!

LOL
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: Moose Master on February 22, 2017, 06:11:16 AM: Thanks you for the link and info. Muzzle control is essential.
Title: Re: Model 700? (60 Minutes Show)
Post by: idahohuntr on February 22, 2017, 09:03:39 AM: Quote from: BLRman on February 21, 2017, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: b23 on February 21, 2017, 10:54:06 AM
And what we will never know is how many of these problems were the result of people adjusting on them that either didn't know what they were doing or got them to light causing bump or slam fires. I personally know of multiple people who either didn't know what they were doing or over adjusted the trigger in their Rem 700's and had them go off when they closed the bolt. Of course you'll never hear anyone admit that though.
This. Just like the kid in this story. He was obviously doing some pretty dumb stuff to even be able to be in the situation that led up to him shooting his brother. But we are gonna pin it on the rifle.

No doubt there is some sort of issue but if people would stop pointing their rifles at people when they have a hot weapon then people wouldn't get shot.
:yeah:
The tragic examples cited in 60 minutes did not leave me much confidence those handling the firearms had a clue what they were doing.