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Title: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Buzz2401 on February 21, 2017, 09:00:00 PM
With so many company's making mil-spec uppers and lowers how long till we see a production AR-15 roll off the line for below $400.  They seem to be doing nothing but going down in price and everywhere you turn there is one for sale.  There are a few "brand names" holding value but how can you really justify dropping a couple grand on a noveske or similar firearm when you can buy a mil-spec gun for under $600 all day long.  Own quite a few AR platform firearms and they seem to be the only guns I actually worry I might not be able to sell for what I paid for them or more.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 21, 2017, 09:01:32 PM
And that is a good thing.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 21, 2017, 09:04:30 PM
I was thinking about that recently.  Without the panic for ARs, what will the market trend toward?  I figure some will try to upgrade their AR-- look for the higher end mfg and closet the other for the next scare. 
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 21, 2017, 09:16:04 PM
I could use about ten more.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: jrebel on February 21, 2017, 09:19:49 PM
Buy now.....I haven't seen prices this low in a long time.  $500 for a built AR is stupid cheap and they are everywhere.   :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Caseyd on February 21, 2017, 09:26:47 PM
Post up links to your favorite deals.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: huntnphool on February 21, 2017, 10:16:31 PM
I could use about ten more.

You have at least 4 years, hopefully 8 before the prices go nuts again. :tup:
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Special T on February 21, 2017, 10:24:00 PM
Buy low sell high!
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: actionshooter on February 21, 2017, 10:28:46 PM
I could use about ten more.

You have at least 4 years, hopefully 8 before the prices go nuts again. :tup:

I agree the only problem is that the lack lusters sales stifle development, is the stuff isn't selling, no reason to spend a bunch of time on R&D.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 21, 2017, 11:50:16 PM
Not much need for R&D on a 60 year old design anymore.  I should probably just invest in defense distributed or some machining skills.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: 300rum on February 22, 2017, 05:27:37 AM
I've been hoping to see some real good deals in the used department.  Even on the classifieds here, guys are keeping the prices higher but hey'll come down eventually. 
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: CP on February 22, 2017, 07:13:25 AM
Complete kit plus an 80% lower for under $450 - delivered to your door, no FFL:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/108623/ar-stoner-carbine-kit-with-complete-upper-assembly-ar-15-556x45mm-nato-1-in-9-twist-16-barrel

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2228264558/ar-stoner-80-pct-lower-receiver-ar-15-aluminum
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 22, 2017, 07:21:03 AM
I anticipate that there will be several AR manufacturers that will go out of business over the next several years.  Supply and demand.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 22, 2017, 07:34:56 AM
Not much need for R&D on a 60 year old design anymore.  I should probably just invest in defense distributed or some machining skills.
3D printing is replacing a lot of machining need.  I still prefer machining where parts see stresses though.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: highside74 on February 22, 2017, 07:59:37 AM
Carpsniperg2 posted a sale on 2 complete new Anderson AR M4s in the gun classifieds yesterday for $500 each plus tax.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Special T on February 22, 2017, 08:07:46 AM
I've been hoping to see some real good deals in the used department.  Even on the classifieds here, guys are keeping the prices higher but hey'll come down eventually.
I think a lot of that has to do with the 2 tiered price of many components. You can buy a Palmetto State Armory ar for about as cheep as it gets. It will shoot  and meet mil spec requirements. I talked with a Army buddy of mine and Milo Special isn't really a threshold for Quality, it's more like a bare minimum. The great thing about an AR is they are modular.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: hunter399 on February 22, 2017, 08:14:53 AM
The election being over and trump win,i think has a little to do with ,market will go down more ,than level mid-year.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Fungunnin on February 22, 2017, 08:32:32 AM
We are in the golden age of ARs. Buy, build, tinker and have stories to tell your grandkids about when you could have an AR kit delivered to your house for $400 add a $75 lower and you are can have as many ARs as you want!

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Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: CP on February 22, 2017, 08:41:09 AM
We are in the golden age of ARs. Buy, build, tinker and have stories to tell your grandkids about when you could have an AR kit delivered to your house for $400 add a $75 lower and you are can have as many ARs as you want!

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Very true, we may not have this opportunity for much longer.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/assault-weapons-not-protected-second-amendment-federal-appeals-court-rules-n724106
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: huntnphool on February 22, 2017, 09:53:06 AM
We are in the golden age of ARs. Buy, build, tinker and have stories to tell your grandkids about when you could have an AR kit delivered to your house for $400 add a $75 lower and you are can have as many ARs as you want!

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Very true, we may not have this opportunity for much longer.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/assault-weapons-not-protected-second-amendment-federal-appeals-court-rules-n724106

 Which is why it was so vitally important to elect PT and get the SCOTUS nomination. :twocents:
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Yondering on February 22, 2017, 10:15:01 AM
Not much need for R&D on a 60 year old design anymore.

There's been more development of the AR platform in the last 10 years than in the prior 50 years combined. High demand = improvement.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: grundy53 on February 22, 2017, 10:22:11 AM
Palmetto state will have the best prices.

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Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 22, 2017, 10:26:15 AM
Not much need for R&D on a 60 year old design anymore.

There's been more development of the AR platform in the last 10 years than in the prior 50 years combined. High demand = improvement.

At high prices and high demand.  However, there are diminishing returns, beyond a certain point is the point.  Now the main differences I see are mostly chotchkies.

We've seen a lot of improvement in the 1911 as well over 100 years.  Much more and it starts ceasing to be a 1911.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Alchase on February 22, 2017, 10:27:09 AM
I see the flooded market as a great thing for us the consumers. When prices are at their highest, they do not have to differentiate themselves to make money.
Now with the market pricing in a spiral, they need to standout, make a better product, work hard at innovation to get the business.
The ones that don't, won't survive.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2017, 10:31:24 AM
I anticipate that there will be several AR manufacturers that will go out of business over the next several years.  Supply and demand.

Like Olympic Arms? Only one more week and they're done.


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Olympic Arms Announces Closing
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The Schuetz family would like to express their heartfelt thanks to all their friends, associates, and partners that have been a part of the Olympic Arms experience. Most of all we would like to thank our loyal customers and patrons who have been with us all this time.

In the course of closing, we are announcing the following changes in policy effective immediately:

All sales are final.
No refunds or returns will be accepted after 1-25-2017.
On-line Shopping Cart will be active and effective while supplies last.
All Warranty service ceases 1-25-2017. Warranty work and repairs currently in-house will be serviced and returned.
New orders will only be taken for inventory currently in stock, or that can be built from remaining inventory.
All inventory will be liquidated.
ALL SALES will cease at close of business 28 February, 2017
 Thank you for your patronage.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 22, 2017, 01:02:00 PM
Just when you thought it was safe to wait for lower prices.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445145/fourth-circuit-decision-maryland-assault-weapons-ban-constitutional-travesty
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: huntnphool on February 22, 2017, 01:18:18 PM
Just when you thought it was safe to wait for lower prices.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445145/fourth-circuit-decision-maryland-assault-weapons-ban-constitutional-travesty

 And I'll direct you back to #19 ;)
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Mongo Hunter on April 07, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
I can tell you the market fluctuates quite a bit in terms of AR's. and I don't just mean during election time. Basically the "mil-spec" AR's right now are so cheap because no one really wants them. I don't mean no ones buying them just everyone wants the Ultra light "custom" rifles like Taren, Noveski, Daniel Defense, Spikes Ect.

My first AR I ever bought was a Quad rail, flat to "mil-spec" gun, this was about 5-6 years ago. then everyone wanted that type of AR. Now AR technology has come a along way and people have come to realize "mil-spec" is a relative term and doesn't mean "the best". give it another 5 years and no one will want the light weight guns anymore because there will be some new toy out.

The best advice I can give is decide what you "need" and what would be "nice to have" and go from there. go ahead and make it an investment and pick what you want and don't worry about selling it down the line.

I packed around and shot a heavy Bushmaster for a long time and loved it but decide to try the "new" stuff. I decided I "needed" reliable and light. and it would be NICE to have fast as well. That lead me to the Spikes Crusader. yeah it was expensive but its the best AR I have ever owned.

Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: lamrith on April 07, 2017, 01:35:51 PM
Post up links to your favorite deals.
Go to Palmetto State armory sight and sign up for newsletter.  They have specials every other day, some are silly cheap and you gotta jump on them quick before sell out.
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: JDHasty on April 07, 2017, 01:53:59 PM
A buddy walked out of a local shop a couple weeks ago w/brand new a Ruger AR15 for ~$440.  They were having a Ruger event.   
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Special T on April 07, 2017, 02:10:27 PM
A buddy walked out of a local shop a couple weeks ago w/brand new a Ruger AR15 for ~$440.  They were having a Ruger event.
That's an unreal price
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Alchase on April 07, 2017, 02:49:31 PM
I just saw a DPMS for $525
Title: Re: Market flooded with AR's
Post by: Buzz2401 on April 07, 2017, 03:38:59 PM
I don't think that the reason they are so cheap is because everyone wants a more expensive higher end gun.  I think it's just because darn near everyone has 1-6 in the safe. I don't know to many people that don't own one now and most own multiple. 
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