Post by: shotguunar on February 26, 2017, 09:34:01 AM
Post by: garrett89 on February 26, 2017, 10:11:59 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 26, 2017, 10:36:45 AM
Post by: Crunchy on February 26, 2017, 11:21:35 AM
Post by: Stein on February 26, 2017, 11:39:19 AM
I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer. So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket. Nothing would ever happen to you.
Just give them immunity from everything. Once you cross the line and pick and choose what laws you are going to enforce, you don't really have rule of law anymore anyway.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 26, 2017, 12:10:47 PM
Post by: TONTO on February 26, 2017, 12:25:39 PM
I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer. So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket. Nothing would ever happen to you.
Had a cousin visiting up from Utah last week. She was saying that in one of the "sanctuary cities" down there the "illegals" don't even bother putting plates on their cars, the police won't even pull them over, because nothing ever happens to them.
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 26, 2017, 12:30:37 PM
Already scary enough them driving. A few family members have been in accidents from illegals driving. And of course they don't have insurance so, people they hit are screwed and thy get a slap on the wrist. And for them to get hunting licenses? Are they able to purchase weapons legally? I don't know. Either way bad idea. I say full effect deportation policy.Getting weapons legally? Does it matter?
The killer in this recent case is a felon that has been deported in the past!
http://www.kapptv.com/article/2017/jan/24/five-men-arrested-connection-grant-county-shooting/
Governor Jay Inslee is more concerned with the potential harassment of illegals than one random 31 year old woman killed by them. He said so at a recent press conference!
Post by: 2labs on February 26, 2017, 01:03:34 PM
Glad too be out of there! Crazy!
Post by: bigtex on February 26, 2017, 07:38:51 PM
I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer. So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket. Nothing would ever happen to you.Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...
The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!
The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.
Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...
Post by: Crunchy on February 26, 2017, 08:10:20 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 26, 2017, 08:35:58 PM
I notice that DWLS 3 is a common charge on the county jail roster. Often being an additional charge, but sometimes being the sole charge. Guy/gal picked up on Fri afternoon and locked up until Monday.I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer. So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket. Nothing would ever happen to you.Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...
The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!
The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.
Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...
Post by: garrett89 on February 28, 2017, 12:43:44 PM
Silly to not have a DL to drive. Common sense and it's $25. I say up the charges because no one will insure a driver w/o a DL. No insurance is a separate but, the state needs to stop the non-sense. The no DL will only protect cheap bums and illegals who drive. Everyone else is screwed if someone without a DL hits them.I notice that DWLS 3 is a common charge on the county jail roster. Often being an additional charge, but sometimes being the sole charge. Guy/gal picked up on Fri afternoon and locked up until Monday.I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer. So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket. Nothing would ever happen to you.Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...
The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!
The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.
Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...
Post by: Stein on February 28, 2017, 12:55:17 PM
Silly to not have a DL to drive. Common sense and it's $25. I say up the charges because no one will insure a driver w/o a DL. No insurance is a separate but, the state needs to stop the non-sense. The no DL will only protect cheap bums and illegals who drive. Everyone else is screwed if someone without a DL hits them.I notice that DWLS 3 is a common charge on the county jail roster. Often being an additional charge, but sometimes being the sole charge. Guy/gal picked up on Fri afternoon and locked up until Monday.I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer. So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket. Nothing would ever happen to you.Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...
The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!
The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.
Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...
They have a license, it is just suspended due to unpaid parking tickets. This isn't the one where you don't have one for whatever reason (including an illegal immigrant).
Post by: garrett89 on February 28, 2017, 12:57:21 PM
Well someone should pay their $10-15 parking ticket (s) before increasing fees.Silly to not have a DL to drive. Common sense and it's $25. I say up the charges because no one will insure a driver w/o a DL. No insurance is a separate but, the state needs to stop the non-sense. The no DL will only protect cheap bums and illegals who drive. Everyone else is screwed if someone without a DL hits them.I notice that DWLS 3 is a common charge on the county jail roster. Often being an additional charge, but sometimes being the sole charge. Guy/gal picked up on Fri afternoon and locked up until Monday.I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer. So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket. Nothing would ever happen to you.Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...
The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!
The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.
Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...
They have a license, it is just suspended due to unpaid parking tickets. This isn't the one where you don't have one for whatever reason (including an illegal immigrant).
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 28, 2017, 01:24:45 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 28, 2017, 01:31:13 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 28, 2017, 01:49:57 PM
They could hunt in any season--Modern doesn't require the use of a rifle.
You kind of missed the point. There aren't any illegals lining up to take Hunter Education. If they're hunting, they're "undocumented hunters".
Post by: Stein on February 28, 2017, 01:52:08 PM
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QuoteQuoteProvided that the non-U.S. citizen was born after January 1, 1972, and successfully passed Hunter Education training, they can purchase a hunting license. If non-U.S. citizens meet residency requirements, they can buy resident licenses. If they do not meet residency requirements, they need to pay out of state fees. Under RCW 9.41.175, nonimmigrant aliens may possess firearms in the U.S. if they possess a valid hunting license issued by a state. See http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/nonimmigrant-aliens.html.
Post by: Old Dog on February 28, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
Back to the original question: can an illegal immigrant buy a resident hunting license? Not unless they have graduated Hunter Education. In addition, they would only be able to hunt during ML or Archery because they can't legally purchase a firearm. In all of the classes I've taught, not once have I thought someone was or might have been an illegal alien. It would be extremely unusual (and probably stupid), for an illegal to voluntarily register for a government program.
I used to teach Hunters ed. at the Federal Way Sportsman's. In one of my classes there were several latino students signed up that could not speak or understand english very well. The WDFW officer who was there helping me out, and I decided we needed to determine if these students should indeed be in our class. Our main concern was whether they were allowed to handle the firearms, so we asked them to bring documentation, besides a drivers license, to the next class. We never saw them again. When I spoke with Hunter Ed in Olympia about the incident I was told that I was not allowed to ask that question. In my opinion, yes, illegals will be able to buy hunting licenses as residents. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on February 28, 2017, 01:57:52 PM
They could hunt in any season--Modern doesn't require the use of a rifle.
You kind of missed the point. There aren't any illegals lining up to take Hunter Education. If they're hunting, they're "undocumented hunters".
What about those born before 1973? What documentation do they show the DOL when getting a drivers license, couldn't they simply say they were born in 1972, I mean, who is going to verify it?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 28, 2017, 02:14:37 PM
Post by: Stein on February 28, 2017, 02:16:00 PM
They could hunt in any season--Modern doesn't require the use of a rifle.
You kind of missed the point. There aren't any illegals lining up to take Hunter Education. If they're hunting, they're "undocumented hunters".
What about those born before 1973? What documentation do they show the DOL when getting a drivers license, couldn't they simply say they were born in 1972, I mean, who is going to verify it?
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The most common examples of documents that the department will accept include:
certified birth certificates
certain court papers
foreign passports or driver's licenses
refugee relief placement packets
You need at least one thing with your name and DOB. You need at least one thing with your name and picture. Altogether, if you don't have a passport or equivalent you need five total items with a photo, signature, address and/or date of birth.
If you don't have that, you can get a driver's license that isn't valid as an id. Not sure if the guy at Walmart would run that for a hunting license or not.
If you are still confused, there are several free legal advisors to choose from.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 28, 2017, 02:37:34 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 28, 2017, 02:49:03 PM
Unpaid parking tickets won't result in a license being suspended.Silly to not have a DL to drive. Common sense and it's $25. I say up the charges because no one will insure a driver w/o a DL. No insurance is a separate but, the state needs to stop the non-sense. The no DL will only protect cheap bums and illegals who drive. Everyone else is screwed if someone without a DL hits them.I notice that DWLS 3 is a common charge on the county jail roster. Often being an additional charge, but sometimes being the sole charge. Guy/gal picked up on Fri afternoon and locked up until Monday.I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer. So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket. Nothing would ever happen to you.Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...
The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!
The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.
Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...
They have a license, it is just suspended due to unpaid parking tickets. This isn't the one where you don't have one for whatever reason (including an illegal immigrant).
Post by: huntnphool on February 28, 2017, 02:57:06 PM
I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer. So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket. Nothing would ever happen to you.Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...
The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!
The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.
Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...
They want to change the law because the current law discriminately affects "the poor".
They say that poor people that get traffic tickets can't pay the fines and therefore have their licenses revoked at a disproportionately higher rate, therefore the law needs to be changed so these people can commit as many traffic violations without consequence.