Post by: fish vacuum on February 28, 2017, 03:40:05 PM
Discuss.
Post by: Tinmaniac on February 28, 2017, 03:58:20 PM
Post by: Mudman on February 28, 2017, 04:00:39 PM
Post by: Buckewe on February 28, 2017, 04:01:17 PM
Post by: yakimarcher on February 28, 2017, 04:06:22 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 28, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
Post by: runamuk on February 28, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
Post by: Stein on February 28, 2017, 05:00:54 PM
Post by: Buzz2401 on February 28, 2017, 05:12:22 PM
Post by: Mudman on February 28, 2017, 05:44:43 PM
Post by: jeffro on February 28, 2017, 06:00:27 PM
Got tired of bloody knuckles and greasy hands-clothes.
I have gone to strictly new warrantied rides.
Something goes wrong, take it to the dealer, grab a loaner, move on with life.
I'm still in love with old iron and will build one more
Bucket list item, 68 Shelby GT500KR or a 69-70 Corvette 427 convertible.
Post by: huntnphool on February 28, 2017, 06:13:08 PM
I've built/ restored some pretty cool vehicles in my time.
Got tired of bloody knuckles and greasy hands-clothes.
I have gone to strictly new warrantied rides.
Something goes wrong, take it to the dealer, grab a loaner, move on with life.
I'm still in love with old iron and will build one more
Bucket list item, 68 Shelby GT500KR or a 69-70 Corvette 427 convertible.
I still enjoy wrenching on my "older" cars in the garage, but it is nice to take the newer ones to the dealership. :chuckle:
Post by: Bullkllr on February 28, 2017, 06:18:37 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 28, 2017, 06:41:34 PM
Cost of parts/repairs, Winner oldies. Simplicity of repair/maint., winner oldies. Toughness? Well metal vs plastic, winner oldies.Sounds like those older 80s-90s Toyotas. So many around here especially with the high schoolers and off roaders. Beat the snot out of them all weekend, if something goes wrong out in the woods--usually a quick fix and can drive out, most spare parts are in someone's garage.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 28, 2017, 06:45:24 PM
Yup if its a woods truck or mud truck it better be an oldy cuz no one will wheel on Sunday and take to dealer on Monday for long..........Cost of parts/repairs, Winner oldies. Simplicity of repair/maint., winner oldies. Toughness? Well metal vs plastic, winner oldies.Sounds like those older 80s-90s Toyotas. So many around here especially with the high schoolers and off roaders. Beat the snot out of them all weekend, if something goes wrong out in the woods--usually a quick fix and can drive out, most spare parts are in someone's garage.
Post by: fish vacuum on February 28, 2017, 06:51:53 PM
It's a good thing old rigs are easy to work on, because they need it more often.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 28, 2017, 06:56:52 PM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on February 28, 2017, 11:43:03 PM
Post by: fish vacuum on March 01, 2017, 12:29:36 AM
Reality strikes....the newer rigs on solid axles are 100x better than the old ones. They just suck ass on style points. You can hammer the piss and drive 300k on a new toyota Tacoma. You are lucky to get 120k on an old FJ if you drive it.
And the Tacoma (or fj cruiser) will be a much nicer ride.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 01, 2017, 05:10:12 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 01, 2017, 08:30:13 AM
But the newer Toy is a gutless wonder
I drove my buddies 2016 to the airport to pick up my fiancee. I thought it felt a lot slower than my old 2007. I thought maybe I'd just forgotten what the 2007 was like. Did they reduce the power in the new ones?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 01, 2017, 08:55:01 AM
Post by: horsehunter509 on March 01, 2017, 09:24:53 AM
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 01, 2017, 10:05:38 AM
I was wondering that myself or if the new regulations in emissions or fuel economy caused them to change. I drove a newer one and commented to a buddy of mine about the apparent lack of power. He said his was gutless going up the pass also.
I drove it from el Centro ca to lax. It was always searching and shifting going up hill. Struggled to 90. My old trd would rip up to 100 pretty quick.
Post by: b23 on March 01, 2017, 10:28:54 AM
But the newer Toy is a gutless wonder
Does the new Tacoma have less power than the previous 4.0L ???
Post by: floatinghat on March 01, 2017, 03:01:20 PM
Reality strikes....the newer rigs on solid axles are 100x better than the old ones. They just suck ass on style points. You can hammer the piss and drive 300k on a new toyota Tacoma. You are lucky to get 120k on an old FJ if you drive it.
HappyG, what new Toy has solid front axles, there isn't one sold here in the US.
Also the FJ and previous gen Tacoma ran almost the same drive train and chassis? FJ and 4skinner are same.
What are you calling old FJ? 40, 60, 62, or 80 (fzj)?
Has Toy figured out the rusting frame issue yet?
BTW,
Post by: Angry Perch on March 01, 2017, 06:05:14 PM
Cost of parts/repairs, Winner oldies. Simplicity of repair/maint., winner oldies. Toughness? Well metal vs plastic, winner oldies.
Cost and simplicity of repairs might be cheaper in the oldies, but they need a lot more of them! It used to be very common to see cars broken down on the side of the road. Not any more. It used to be a stretch to get 1xx,xxx miles out of a car without a rebuild. Not any more. I love me some old steel, but for the every day rig, "they don't build them like they used to" is a good thing!
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 01, 2017, 06:20:20 PM
That was the case up until last year or the year before. The manufacturer's have added so many features that new vehicles are being brought in more often.Cost of parts/repairs, Winner oldies. Simplicity of repair/maint., winner oldies. Toughness? Well metal vs plastic, winner oldies.
Cost and simplicity of repairs might be cheaper in the oldies, but they need a lot more of them! It used to be very common to see cars broken down on the side of the road. Not any more. It used to be a stretch to get 1xx,xxx miles out of a car without a rebuild. Not any more. I love me some old steel, but for the every day rig, "they don't build them like they used to" is a good thing!
Post by: fish vacuum on March 01, 2017, 07:36:45 PM
But the newer Toy is a gutless wonderAnd still a million times quicker than an old fj40 with a straight 6 and a 3-speed.
Post by: fish vacuum on March 01, 2017, 07:39:04 PM
You are lucky to get 120k on an old FJ if you drive it.That's 12 valve adjustments.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 01, 2017, 10:02:17 PM
Reality strikes....the newer rigs on solid axles are 100x better than the old ones. They just suck ass on style points. You can hammer the piss and drive 300k on a new toyota Tacoma. You are lucky to get 120k on an old FJ if you drive it.
HappyG, what new Toy has solid front axles, there isn't one sold here in the US.
Also the FJ and previous gen Tacoma ran almost the same drive train and chassis? FJ and 4skinner are same.
What are you calling old FJ? 40, 60, 62, or 80 (fzj)?
Has Toy figured out the rusting frame issue yet?
BTW,
Auto spell and alcohol issue... 😊
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 01, 2017, 10:03:46 PM
You are lucky to get 120k on an old FJ if you drive it.That's 12 valve adjustments.
That's on the assumption you haven't already dumped the motor for an old junker Buick swap. Lol
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 01, 2017, 10:09:55 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAzht1vZDw
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 01, 2017, 10:14:41 PM
Post by: thinkingman on March 02, 2017, 08:39:37 AM
Toyota decided to replace the 4.0L V6 with the 3.5L from the Avalon.But the newer Toy is a gutless wonder
I drove my buddies 2016 to the airport to pick up my fiancee. I thought it felt a lot slower than my old 2007. I thought maybe I'd just forgotten what the 2007 was like. Did they reduce the power in the new ones?
Car engine.
The 4.0 has more torque and a flatter torque curve.
The 3.5 is quieter and smoother.
Similar numbers, totally different feel.
Toyota buyers don't care.
Post by: timberfaller on March 02, 2017, 09:33:26 AM
Tune up on jeep approx $100 or less, can do it myself. Valve cover gasket replace, $4o can do myself.
Tune up on 02 Ford, just got a quote(plugs/coils/labor), $950. Had to have both valve cover gaskets done 2 years ago, $750 dealership did the job.
Pretty obvious which is better!! "Education" is NOT always a good thing!! Someone had to "design" these flaws!!!!!
I seen on YouTube where there is one Ford rig you have to remove/lift the Whole BODY off to replace a intake gasket issue!! :yike: :yike: :yike:
Post by: b23 on March 02, 2017, 11:30:56 AM
Toyota decided to replace the 4.0L V6 with the 3.5L from the Avalon.But the newer Toy is a gutless wonder
I drove my buddies 2016 to the airport to pick up my fiancee. I thought it felt a lot slower than my old 2007. I thought maybe I'd just forgotten what the 2007 was like. Did they reduce the power in the new ones?
Car engine.
The 4.0 has more torque and a flatter torque curve.
The 3.5 is quieter and smoother.
Similar numbers, totally different feel.
Toyota buyers don't care.
My 13 Tacoma with 4.0L was just ehh ok on power so I put a TRD Supercharger on it shortly after I had about 3000 miles on the odometer. BIG difference in power and still does the same on MPG as long as you drive it normal. Haven't driven one of the new ones with the 3.5L but was told they feel pretty soft on power.
Old vs New, for me, it would depend on the vehicle. I'm always looking for a real clean 96 Bronco but haven't found that just right one yet.
Post by: Shank on March 02, 2017, 12:26:51 PM
In regards to new vs. old. Everyday driver, I'd prefer newer, they just don't have any character. My hunting/camping rig is an 02...Is that old or new?
I currently have a crazy idea of building an old flat fender pickup, newer technology, I.e fuel injection...So that would be the best of both worlds right
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Post by: bigjohn98591 on March 02, 2017, 12:32:06 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 02, 2017, 01:52:04 PM
I plan to keep the new, reliable, boring comfortable vehicle, but for nostalgia I may very well buy another 1985 F150 with manual lockout hubs, a 300/6, 4.10 rear and 3 speed manual with a granny gear.
Post by: Claymore15 on March 02, 2017, 02:11:06 PM
Post by: fish vacuum on March 02, 2017, 02:38:25 PM
somewhere between the 85 and the 90 the electronics and specialized tools and diagnostic machines took over.86 gmc pickups got real ugly under the hood. A real mess of wiring and vacuum hoses.
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I may very well buy another 1985 F150 with manual lockout hubs, a 300/6, 4.10 rear and 3 speed manual with a granny gear.If I was buying a non-toyota, a Ford with the big 6 would be something I'd consider. It would fit my truck needs fine for towing a small boat and hauling firewood.
Post by: Special T on March 02, 2017, 03:51:26 PM
I'm really hoping the ELIO 3 wheeler commuter car comes out in the next year or 2. It would make it a lot easier to own and upgrade an older wheeler 4x4 for most people. 85mpg commuting and then who cares what the milage is for a weekend rig.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 02, 2017, 09:26:11 PM
Doublelung I happen to have that exact truck, my brother bought it brand new, and he sold it to me when I Retired out of the Army in 2004, only has 129,000 on it. great truckFor sale ? :) :)
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 02, 2017, 09:29:03 PM
Doublelung I happen to have that exact truck, my brother bought it brand new, and he sold it to me when I Retired out of the Army in 2004, only has 129,000 on it. great truckTwo of my favorite things about that truck - it would roll up cliffs in 4 low granny gear, AND it would stay in the ruts and roll slow enough I could get out, run ahead, open a cattle gate, let the truck roll through, close the gate, and still be able to get back in and drive!
Post by: huntnphool on March 02, 2017, 11:33:06 PM
Doublelung I happen to have that exact truck, my brother bought it brand new, and he sold it to me when I Retired out of the Army in 2004, only has 129,000 on it. great truckTwo of my favorite things about that truck - it would roll up cliffs in 4 low granny gear, AND it would stay in the ruts and roll slow enough I could get out, run ahead, open a cattle gate, let the truck roll through, close the gate, and still be able to get back in and drive!
That paints a picture. :chuckle:
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 03, 2017, 06:32:05 AM
Post by: floatinghat on March 03, 2017, 07:13:06 AM
I don't know, I have a 96 3x locked LC 80 series. Can't pass a gas station but is bullet proof. Simple PM and she runs like a clock only thing is the CFO gave approval to buy a bigger boat so I am thinking about getting a pick up or a newer LC or Gen 2 Sequoia. I am casually looking a vehicles and boats and trying to balance, nicer vehicle vs smaller/older boat.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 03, 2017, 10:49:11 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on March 04, 2017, 05:40:32 PM
My brother in law had a 89 f 250 with the stovepipe 6. That was an amazing truck. He never did anything but the most basic maintenance and drove it for 270k. Sold it for 1000. Still sees it driving around town.its really too bad that the big six never got to realize its full potential. A crossflow head and/or a turbocharger would have really made them shine. As they came, the ports were too small for a 289, and the 300 had the same size cylinders as a 400 v8.
I like my old 6 cylinder f250, that engine will get you anywhere. ..just as long as you aren't in a hurry.
Post by: Don_D on March 13, 2017, 11:02:05 PM
I bought a gently used 99 F 150 in 2000 and I've been driving it all these years and it has yet to leave me high and dry. Its got a lot of plastic in it sure but the reliability of it has been far superior to all the rigs I grew up driving. Spent some money on it the last year or so for a new exhaust, tune up, lower ball joints and shocks that kind of thing and it drives like new. Always has used some oil but thats just par for the course I suppose with Fords.
A 99 isn't exactly a newer rig though lol.