Post by: h20hunter on March 01, 2017, 11:59:47 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 01, 2017, 12:05:54 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 01, 2017, 12:34:00 PM
Post by: Ripper on March 01, 2017, 12:46:27 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 01, 2017, 12:48:09 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 01, 2017, 01:10:11 PM
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Post by: TriggerMike on March 01, 2017, 02:18:27 PM
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Post by: baker5150 on March 01, 2017, 02:26:27 PM
Will it be posted somewhere on the new website? Or has someone figured out the new "backdoor"
Post by: h20hunter on March 01, 2017, 02:34:56 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 01, 2017, 02:38:44 PM
I feel with all the system issues so far this draw is going to be an epic failure :sry:I'll probably draw then they'll have a re draw.
Post by: Shaqdiesel on March 01, 2017, 02:38:51 PM
How will we know?
Will it be posted somewhere on the new website? Or has someone figured out the new "backdoor"
Ive never figured out the secret to the backdoor. :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 01, 2017, 02:40:53 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on March 01, 2017, 05:35:37 PM
Post by: JakeLand on March 01, 2017, 08:37:48 PM
Post by: soccerftw123 on March 01, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 02, 2017, 08:12:43 AM
do share.How will we know?
Will it be posted somewhere on the new website? Or has someone figured out the new "backdoor"
Ive never figured out the secret to the backdoor. :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 02, 2017, 10:11:09 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 02, 2017, 10:33:08 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 02, 2017, 10:52:57 AM
Post by: dmoua on March 02, 2017, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 02, 2017, 04:52:44 PM
It's already been posted. Looks like none of you guys got selected... :chuckle:
Lies.
Post by: GrampasGuns on March 03, 2017, 07:31:36 PM
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Post by: h20hunter on March 03, 2017, 07:35:36 PM
Post by: sled on March 03, 2017, 07:50:30 PM
Post by: RB on March 03, 2017, 07:54:38 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 06, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on March 06, 2017, 12:50:37 PM
Ok....who drew!!!!!!!
??? Mine doesn't say anything but I'm not the group leader so I'm not sure if it matter
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 06, 2017, 12:51:27 PM
you got me.
Post by: h20hunter on March 06, 2017, 12:51:51 PM
:bash:
you got me.
:chuckle: :tup:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 06, 2017, 12:53:13 PM
:bash:
you got me.
:chuckle: :tup:
You're quickly being downgraded from "cool guy on hunt-wa forum" to "guy on hunt-wa forum"
LOL
What makes it worse is for some reason I had to re-type my password into the WDFW portal. I was like "oh man maybe the results ARE up if I have to RETYPE MY PASSWORD!!".... Nope, just another bug.
Post by: h20hunter on March 06, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
My prediction is by Friday am.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 07, 2017, 06:48:43 AM
Now I feel bad....not really.
My prediction is by Friday am.
That would be nice. This draw determines if I'm going on a turkey hunt or a spring bear hunt with a side of turkey :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 07, 2017, 09:07:43 AM
Post by: Ripper on March 07, 2017, 02:29:19 PM
:IBCOOL:
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Post by: GrampasGuns on March 07, 2017, 07:58:18 PM
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Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 07, 2017, 08:20:24 PM
I talked to someone in the dept. And they said .......:dunno: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Post by: TriggerMike on March 07, 2017, 10:16:04 PM
I talked to someone in the dept. And they said .......That the draw will be sometime in the next two weeks? That's what they told me yesterday.
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Post by: sled on March 07, 2017, 10:54:30 PM
Hey sled, I was out messing around on my boat on Lake Stevens Sunday and caught my first Koke of the year. I didn't have any Koke gear so I used some salmon gear. I have a new secret Koke killing setup.I may fish the derby for the first time this year!nice job!!! We need to get together and talk kokes! I highly recommend fishing the derby this year. I did last year and it was a ton of fun!
:IBCOOL:
I've got a killer set up dialed in I'll share with ya.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 08, 2017, 08:45:59 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 08, 2017, 08:56:30 AM
Post by: stew pidasso on March 08, 2017, 10:04:59 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 08, 2017, 10:37:30 AM
I'm sure that with the wedding and planning taking up all of my spring that I'm going to draw. :bash::bdid:
Post by: h20hunter on March 09, 2017, 07:26:50 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 09, 2017, 07:32:49 AM
Post by: h20hunter on March 09, 2017, 07:38:55 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 09, 2017, 08:00:16 AM
"Only Says Submitted Which I Believe Means Draw Not Run Yet But I May Be Wrong"
OSSWIMDNRYBIMBW?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2017, 08:21:23 AM
:yike: :dunno:
OSSWIMDNRYBIMBW?
Way to make my head hurt first thing in the morning.
Post by: emac on March 09, 2017, 09:21:22 AM
Do we have to come up with a new acronym now?You missed a B in there
"Only Says Submitted Which I Believe Means Draw Not Run Yet But I May Be Wrong"
OSSWIMDNRYBIMBW?
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Post by: emac on March 09, 2017, 09:22:06 AM
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Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 09, 2017, 09:29:30 AM
:yike: :dunno:
OSSWIMDNRYBIMBW?
Way to make my head hurt first thing in the morning.
:sry:
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 09, 2017, 10:20:43 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 09, 2017, 10:22:53 AM
OSSWIBMDNRYBIMBW
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Thanks!
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 09, 2017, 10:23:54 AM
I'm so confused :dunno:
I.A.S.C
That is a much better acronym for this years draw results. :tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2017, 10:44:22 AM
Can you retype that acronym wothout cheating and looking? :chuckle:OSSWIBMDNRYBIMBW
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Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 09, 2017, 10:45:36 AM
Post by: emac on March 09, 2017, 11:40:58 AM
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Post by: Nice Racks on March 09, 2017, 11:46:23 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on March 09, 2017, 02:14:55 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 09, 2017, 02:18:47 PM
Post by: andersonjk4 on March 09, 2017, 02:55:35 PM
Its not just you. I believe it will show on your special permits where it says pending. IE, mine will show selected, yours will say suck it ;).
Wait... Yours says Pending? Where does it show this? Mine says submitted
Post by: h20hunter on March 09, 2017, 02:56:51 PM
Wait.....now it says......no it doesn't. >:(
Post by: andersonjk4 on March 09, 2017, 02:58:50 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 09, 2017, 03:00:51 PM
Got a little excited for a second. I thought maybe "pending" would mean they were in the process of drawing.Just be thankful it doesn't say "suck it" yet! :chuckle: we all know what's coming.
Post by: andersonjk4 on March 09, 2017, 03:05:33 PM
Got a little excited for a second. I thought maybe "pending" would mean they were in the process of drawing.Just be thankful it doesn't say "suck it" yet! :chuckle: we all know what's coming.
:chuckle: True. Although with 4 points, my wife has a decent chance of drawing.
Post by: steeleywhopper on March 09, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
Its not just you. I believe it will show on your special permits where it says pending. IE, mine will show selected, yours will say suck it ;).
Im going to Draw with 1 point this year just to piss you off! :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 09, 2017, 07:03:43 PM
Got a little excited for a second. I thought maybe "pending" would mean they were in the process of drawing.Just be thankful it doesn't say "suck it" yet! :chuckle: we all know what's coming.
:chuckle: True. Although with 4 points, my wife has a decent chance of drawing.
I thought that 4 years ago, and I am thinking it again this year with 8 points :sry:
But I know I'm just going to get another "suck it" :bash:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 09, 2017, 07:12:52 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-D8bTstW/0/XL/i-D8bTstW-XL.jpg)
Post by: h20hunter on March 09, 2017, 07:19:56 PM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 09, 2017, 07:23:38 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Hunting/i-xLSj3bp/0/L/2015%20bear-L.jpg)
Post by: Bob33 on March 09, 2017, 07:25:10 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 09, 2017, 07:26:06 PM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 09, 2017, 07:30:48 PM
FYI that Dink was shot about 500 yards from the trail cam that took the above picture.
And he was dang tasty!
Post by: h20hunter on March 09, 2017, 07:32:00 PM
Id hammer him any day. :tup:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 10, 2017, 06:54:54 AM
SSSS
(Status still shows submitted)
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 10, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 10, 2017, 06:57:01 AM
Post by: buglebuster on March 10, 2017, 06:57:15 AM
Post by: h20hunter on March 10, 2017, 07:02:39 AM
Bummer. It's still early. :tup:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 10, 2017, 07:07:24 AM
I'm not going to get much work done today.
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 10, 2017, 07:10:13 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 10, 2017, 07:12:36 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 10, 2017, 07:16:10 AM
Just talked to Shaniqua at WDFW; she informed me the results would be out on 3/24.
They Lie...
Post by: emac on March 10, 2017, 07:16:23 AM
OSSWIBMDNRYBIMBWHopefully this becomes the new norm instead of DNRY 8) and you got it right this time ;D
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Post by: 92xj on March 10, 2017, 07:16:59 AM
Just talked to Shaniqua at WDFW; she informed me the results would be out on 3/24.
Did you try and sweet talk her a little?
Also, I might need some advice when I draw your tag!
Post by: dune on March 10, 2017, 08:19:47 AM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 10, 2017, 08:42:35 AM
SSSS
Post by: Timberstalker on March 10, 2017, 08:52:45 AM
Just talked to Shaniqua at WDFW; she informed me the results would be out on 3/24.
Did you try and sweet talk her a little?
Also, I might need some advice when I draw your tag!
LMAO!
And I may help, maybe. :chuckle:
Post by: Buck_Nasty11 on March 10, 2017, 09:57:26 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 10, 2017, 10:02:44 AM
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on March 10, 2017, 10:09:39 AM
DNRY
Post by: jrebel on March 10, 2017, 10:11:31 AM
They have updated it even this morning. There is now a points feature on there that shows all of your points as of 12/18/16. I think the new secure site will be much better, just going to take some getting used to. That being said.
DNRY
:yeah:
I find the new site much more intuitive. I personally really like it and think it will be a great if they get all the bugs out.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 10, 2017, 10:32:29 AM
1-2 weeks
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 10, 2017, 10:52:10 AM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 10, 2017, 11:03:53 AM
Just talked to the licensing office... Couldn't help myself :(
1-2 weeks
They always say that...
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Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 10, 2017, 11:05:48 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 10, 2017, 11:06:56 AM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 10, 2017, 11:22:04 AM
As long as it took to get points put online to see I will almost bet the draw will be late march.I have that feeling too. You would think that with technology advancing every year that they would be getting faster with posting the results but nope, not the WDFW. They go backwards.
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Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 10, 2017, 11:25:10 AM
As long as it took to get points put online to see I will almost bet the draw will be late march.That will add a few pages. Poll says.....
Post by: JeffRaines on March 10, 2017, 11:58:49 AM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 10, 2017, 12:07:47 PM
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Post by: andersonjk4 on March 10, 2017, 02:38:26 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 10, 2017, 02:38:43 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 10, 2017, 02:42:11 PM
Post by: colersu22 on March 10, 2017, 02:45:01 PM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 10, 2017, 02:47:18 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 10, 2017, 02:48:01 PM
I can almost taste the disappointment
:yeah: :chuckle:
Smart to do it on a Friday afternoon so they don't have to put up with our BS phone calls for a few days LOL
Post by: h20hunter on March 10, 2017, 02:50:25 PM
No change... . :sry:
Post by: RadSav on March 10, 2017, 02:53:51 PM
I can almost taste the disappointment
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: And we got two more tasty courses after this!
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 10, 2017, 02:56:09 PM
Post by: High Climber on March 10, 2017, 03:01:25 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 10, 2017, 03:02:26 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 10, 2017, 03:10:46 PM
My bear points showed 0 yesterday.
That wasn't a "Zero", it was an "O"...as in O MG you're such a loser!
Post by: TriggerMike on March 10, 2017, 03:12:43 PM
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Post by: johnnyaustin44 on March 10, 2017, 03:13:03 PM
My points show zero and it was last updated on today's date :dunno: but I drew last yearNew backdoor??
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 10, 2017, 03:24:04 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 10, 2017, 03:36:06 PM
Now mine doesn't show special permit section?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170310/7bc3ccb156c610b05c965572ddb49338.jpg)
Better charge your battery if you want to make it to the end. :chuckle: :chuckle: :peep:
Post by: h20hunter on March 10, 2017, 03:43:23 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 10, 2017, 03:43:34 PM
:cryriver:My bear points showed 0 yesterday.
That wasn't a "Zero", it was an "O"...as in O MG you're such a loser!
Post by: h20hunter on March 10, 2017, 03:44:11 PM
Post by: Decker on March 10, 2017, 03:55:47 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 10, 2017, 03:57:03 PM
Rad doesn't hold back hommie.
I just know a thing or two...about being a WDFW loser! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on March 10, 2017, 03:57:51 PM
Post by: Troutpounder on March 10, 2017, 04:10:52 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 10, 2017, 04:13:51 PM
Post by: jkononen on March 10, 2017, 04:27:25 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 10, 2017, 04:32:44 PM
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Post by: jkononen on March 10, 2017, 04:35:39 PM
Post by: teegansdad on March 10, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
j/K :chuckle:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 10, 2017, 04:39:19 PM
Post by: GrampasGuns on March 10, 2017, 04:44:17 PM
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Post by: 7mag. on March 10, 2017, 04:51:28 PM
Does my bear points as 0 mean Im lucky. Or does it mean my 1 point is useless and they threw it away for me? Lol
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They haven't added this year's point for me either yet. It still says 6 points, and I should have 7 now.
Post by: saylean on March 10, 2017, 05:21:32 PM
Mine active tags shows Bear starting April 1st!!!! This better not be a cruel trick!
all of my 2017 tags show starting april 1st now....maybe its an early season... :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 10, 2017, 05:24:01 PM
That's when the license year starts. The tags are valid as of April 1 but they have to be used in an open seasonMine active tags shows Bear starting April 1st!!!! This better not be a cruel trick!
all of my 2017 tags show starting april 1st now....maybe its an early season... :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 10, 2017, 06:23:17 PM
ever since I've met radsav I can't seem to draw a tag. :dunno:Rad doesn't hold back hommie.
I just know a thing or two...about being a WDFW loser! :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Post by: GrampasGuns on March 10, 2017, 07:00:31 PM
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Post by: RadSav on March 10, 2017, 07:01:51 PM
ever since I've met radsav I can't seem to draw a tag. :dunno:Rad doesn't hold back hommie.
I just know a thing or two...about being a WDFW loser! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Either bad luck is contagious or WDFW's hit list expands by association. Either way you're screwed!!
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 11, 2017, 06:26:50 AM
Post by: dmoua on March 11, 2017, 09:04:35 AM
Post by: h20hunter on March 11, 2017, 07:32:17 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 11, 2017, 07:45:29 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 11, 2017, 07:48:26 PM
Post by: Decker on March 11, 2017, 08:40:15 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 11, 2017, 08:54:03 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on March 11, 2017, 10:01:45 PM
Post by: Troutpounder on March 12, 2017, 08:11:10 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 12, 2017, 08:13:44 PM
Post by: bearmanric on March 12, 2017, 08:42:41 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv68%2Fbearmanric%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F2017-03%2F20170312_114610_zpse0pllxy7.jpg&hash=7569e1891638c75992023b1c854c980753753a03) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bearmanric/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170312_114610_zpse0pllxy7.jpg.html)
Post by: Mr Mykiss on March 13, 2017, 04:40:03 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 13, 2017, 07:56:30 AM
Post by: h20hunter on March 13, 2017, 07:59:50 AM
Post by: Troutpounder on March 13, 2017, 08:03:31 AM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 13, 2017, 08:08:50 AM
DNRY
Whoa!! Give them a chance to get to work and have coffee and donut. >:( >:(
Post by: Ripper on March 13, 2017, 08:31:42 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 13, 2017, 08:36:59 AM
Alright they've had plenty of time for coffee and a doughnut, let's get rolling. I have plans to make either way.
LOL I be like, is this this a turkey hunt or a bear hunt??
Post by: Ripper on March 13, 2017, 08:39:43 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 13, 2017, 09:24:37 AM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 13, 2017, 09:31:34 AM
This might make 10 pages by the end of the day.
Maybe. :dunno:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 13, 2017, 09:32:18 AM
Status still says submitted
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 13, 2017, 09:36:51 AM
Post by: PastorJoel on March 13, 2017, 09:44:33 AM
This might make 10 pages by the end of the day.
Are you trying to start a new thing to bet on? :chuckle:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 13, 2017, 09:47:31 AM
There, I changed my avatar to a pic of last year's success. Maybe that will help. :dunno: :chuckle:
I needed a new one too. Hope this helps
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 13, 2017, 09:48:51 AM
I really hope I draw and D-Rock doesn't. I've never had to wait 4 years before, so I'm due now.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 13, 2017, 09:56:26 AM
Just commenting to help us get to 10 pages. I haven't even checked today.:stup:
I really hope I draw and D-Rock doesn't. I've never had to wait 4 years before, so I'm due now.
Post by: elkrack on March 13, 2017, 10:41:29 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 13, 2017, 10:42:40 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 13, 2017, 10:45:07 AM
So does anybody else have "Selected" as their status?? :dunno:in my dreams
Post by: h20hunter on March 13, 2017, 10:52:52 AM
Post by: CLARKTAR on March 13, 2017, 10:57:21 AM
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Post by: D-Rock425 on March 13, 2017, 10:58:58 AM
Post by: PastorJoel on March 13, 2017, 11:42:47 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 13, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 13, 2017, 11:45:17 AM
11 more days of this and we will be to 100 pages.
Post by: Euro mount on March 13, 2017, 11:51:57 AM
Those jerks remember what happened last year when you called about your quality
Elk results . Lol I'm jerk!!!
Post by: TriggerMike on March 13, 2017, 11:52:09 AM
Just talked to Shaniqua again at WDFW, sounds like they are on track for 3/24 results! :tup:So WDFW gets a new, more advanced online licensing system and the results come out 2 weeks later than the previous few years have. Wow.
11 more days of this and we will be to 100 pages.
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Post by: tonymiller7 on March 13, 2017, 11:54:55 AM
Just talked to Shaniqua again at WDFW, sounds like they are on track for 3/24 results! :tup:So WDFW gets a new, more advanced online licensing system and the results come out 2 weeks later than the previous few years have. Wow.
11 more days of this and we will be to 100 pages.
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Sounds par for the course to me!
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 13, 2017, 12:01:22 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 13, 2017, 12:04:12 PM
The drawing will be held this week. Once the applications have been selected you will see either ‘Selected’ or ‘Not Selected’ where it currently says ‘Submitted’.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us at 360.902.2464.
Had to ask again... LOL
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 13, 2017, 12:11:41 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 13, 2017, 12:12:40 PM
I told you guys not to get so worked up over this firat draw! The redraw is where you need to cross your fingers. Or maybe draw number 3 since after the first draw, people's points won't be reinstated properly so the seconomy draw will messed up as well :sry:
:bash:
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 13, 2017, 12:13:29 PM
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Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 13, 2017, 12:23:47 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 13, 2017, 12:29:02 PM
Timberstalker you know you shouldn't call
Those jerks remember what happened last year when you called about your quality
Elk results . Lol I'm jerk!!!
2ND place is the first loser. ;)
Post by: TriggerMike on March 13, 2017, 12:48:00 PM
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Post by: Ripper on March 13, 2017, 12:53:49 PM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 13, 2017, 01:25:44 PM
Do you think WDFW is waiting for us to get to 10 pages before they run the draw?
Post by: RB on March 13, 2017, 01:25:57 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 13, 2017, 01:26:10 PM
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Post by: andersonjk4 on March 13, 2017, 01:29:38 PM
3/19/2009 Thursday 3:49 PM
3/25/2010 Thursday 1:20 PM
3/25/2011 Friday 2:07 PM
3/19/2012 Monday 3:30 AM
3/07/2013 Thursday 11:04 AM
3/10/2014 Monday 12:57 PM
3/10/2015 Tuesday 3:58 PM
3/10/2016 Thursday 7:46 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 13, 2017, 01:37:57 PM
Just talked to Shaniqua again at WDFW, sounds like they are on track for 3/24 results! :tup:
11 more days of this and we will be to 100 pages.
Maybe this is for real ......
Post by: XJcoug13 on March 13, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
Post by: elkrack on March 13, 2017, 02:07:29 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 13, 2017, 02:32:27 PM
Post by: UWHunter on March 13, 2017, 02:34:22 PM
Post by: Elk hunter4ever on March 13, 2017, 05:58:13 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 13, 2017, 08:01:57 PM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on March 13, 2017, 08:25:52 PM
1 day closer.But yet so far! :chuckle:
Post by: Ripper on March 14, 2017, 05:04:34 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 14, 2017, 05:10:23 AM
Post by: Euro mount on March 14, 2017, 05:24:10 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 14, 2017, 05:44:51 AM
I can't wait to see what happens ! All I want is a point! ( drew last year )
8 more years to go and you'll be spring bear hunting again!
Post by: Euro mount on March 14, 2017, 06:18:46 AM
Post by: elkrack on March 14, 2017, 06:47:38 AM
10 days to go. :tup:
Smart ass! :chuckle:
Post by: Elk hunter4ever on March 14, 2017, 08:53:06 AM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 14, 2017, 09:17:00 AM
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Post by: h20hunter on March 14, 2017, 09:20:42 AM
Carry on....
Post by: RB on March 14, 2017, 09:31:37 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2017, 09:34:13 AM
Post by: Sakko300wsm on March 14, 2017, 09:35:45 AM
Post by: Brushcrawler on March 14, 2017, 09:50:09 AM
Post by: MerriamMagician on March 14, 2017, 10:14:55 AM
Granted a lot of people don't start hunting till May or so, but last year in the huckleberry we were on the youth turkey hunt first weekend of April and seeing bears all over.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 14, 2017, 10:24:46 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 14, 2017, 10:29:10 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2017, 10:29:40 AM
Post by: Ripper on March 14, 2017, 10:34:38 AM
Post by: Elk hunter4ever on March 14, 2017, 10:36:52 AM
Post by: andersonjk4 on March 14, 2017, 10:44:35 AM
I honestly don't see why they can't do this draw 6 months to year year in advance. It's not like they are doing some sort of spring surveys that effect tag allocations. Alasks does theirs a year out. Utah and ID results are already out as well :dunno:
:yeah:
Lump the Spring Bear drawing in with all the rest of the special permit drawings.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 14, 2017, 10:49:11 AM
darn good idea! Heck they have the following years hunt info in the current game regs. It would literally be that simple.I honestly don't see why they can't do this draw 6 months to year year in advance. It's not like they are doing some sort of spring surveys that effect tag allocations. Alasks does theirs a year out. Utah and ID results are already out as well :dunno:
:yeah:
Lump the Spring Bear drawing in with all the rest of the special permit drawings.
Post by: AnimalControl on March 14, 2017, 10:53:15 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2017, 10:58:45 AM
Post by: h20hunter on March 14, 2017, 11:00:23 AM
🐻☠🔫
Post by: andersonjk4 on March 14, 2017, 11:05:52 AM
darn good idea! Heck they have the following years hunt info in the current game regs. It would literally be that simple.I honestly don't see why they can't do this draw 6 months to year year in advance. It's not like they are doing some sort of spring surveys that effect tag allocations. Alasks does theirs a year out. Utah and ID results are already out as well :dunno:
:yeah:
Lump the Spring Bear drawing in with all the rest of the special permit drawings.
The only potential issue I can see is having to buy the next years bear license/tag before applying for the spring bear draw.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2017, 12:19:22 PM
Post by: PastorJoel on March 14, 2017, 12:19:33 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2017, 12:24:36 PM
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Post by: luvmystang67 on March 14, 2017, 12:51:21 PM
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Post by: Timberstalker on March 14, 2017, 12:53:53 PM
The wet feels the same though.
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Yes, it sure does.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 14, 2017, 12:55:13 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 14, 2017, 01:29:04 PM
I just lost the ability to edit my multi season tags.......... :tup:
Hmm, not me..
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 14, 2017, 01:32:46 PM
Post by: bknilvr00 on March 14, 2017, 02:30:28 PM
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on March 14, 2017, 02:32:08 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 14, 2017, 02:36:59 PM
I'm guessing 10am on the 15th.sources tell me 10am tomorrow.
Post by: AnimalControl on March 14, 2017, 02:46:20 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 14, 2017, 02:49:51 PM
Question. What kind of bear is best?
Much better than Schmidties!
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 14, 2017, 02:51:35 PM
Question. What kind of bear is best?FALSE. Black blear
Post by: RadSav on March 14, 2017, 02:55:50 PM
Question. What kind of bear is best?
Can you clarify - Are you asking as far as taste between westside or eastside, fall or spring? Or enjoyment/challenge of hunting style?
Post by: emac on March 14, 2017, 02:56:26 PM
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Post by: h20hunter on March 14, 2017, 03:03:20 PM
Battlestar Galactica
Black Bear
Post by: Woodchuck on March 14, 2017, 03:19:47 PM
Question. What kind of bear is best?Dead ones are by far the easiest to cook.
Post by: UWHunter on March 14, 2017, 03:20:40 PM
Post by: Skillet on March 14, 2017, 03:23:57 PM
Question. What kind of bear is best?
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Post by: TriggerMike on March 14, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
Post by: Gunsmoke on March 14, 2017, 03:43:52 PM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 14, 2017, 05:30:00 PM
Post by: Kit Carson on March 14, 2017, 05:47:35 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 14, 2017, 05:50:55 PM
:chuckle: extended to yesterday
Would probably make more money if they had let people know of the grace period! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: AKBowman on March 14, 2017, 09:45:15 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on March 14, 2017, 09:50:07 PM
:chuckle: extended to yesterday
Would probably make more money if they had let people know of the grace period! :chuckle: :chuckle:
:yeah: :chuckle: a quick "for profit" email would have been nice. Would have probably gotten my money. Kinda like that "ah, if it's still there on the way back I'll pick it up."
Post by: Ghost Hunter on March 15, 2017, 04:48:08 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 15, 2017, 06:51:41 AM
Post by: westside Elkhunter on March 15, 2017, 06:53:40 AM
Not getting my hopes up
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Post by: D-Rock425 on March 15, 2017, 06:55:14 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 15, 2017, 06:58:19 AM
10 o'clock today results will be posted. I'm like a wdfw insider :chuckle:
If you actually get this right, you just volunteered for a lifetime of PMs from people around every draw date :chuckle:
Post by: Euro mount on March 15, 2017, 07:23:55 AM
Post by: PastorJoel on March 15, 2017, 07:43:25 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 15, 2017, 08:34:49 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 15, 2017, 08:41:22 AM
10 days to go. :tup:
Smart ass! :chuckle:
9 days to go! :tup:
Post by: Elk hunter4ever on March 15, 2017, 08:46:07 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 15, 2017, 09:04:14 AM
DNRYdraw was probably ran 2 weeks ago.
Post by: TriggerMike on March 15, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 15, 2017, 09:52:14 AM
I don't think the draw has ever been on a Wednesday before. Looks like we have to wait until tomorrow.
See reply # 265.
Post by: TriggerMike on March 15, 2017, 09:58:08 AM
I don't think the draw has ever been on a Wednesday before. Looks like we have to wait until tomorrow.
See reply # 265.
Lol I refuse to believe that we will have to wait that long.
Post by: buglingbull on March 15, 2017, 10:15:22 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 15, 2017, 10:16:46 AM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 15, 2017, 10:23:27 AM
Submission period was updated to yesterday (3-14-17) :bash:
Another extension. :tup:
Post by: grundy53 on March 15, 2017, 10:36:33 AM
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Post by: johnnyaustin44 on March 15, 2017, 10:41:38 AM
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Post by: D-Rock425 on March 15, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
Post by: _TONY_ on March 15, 2017, 11:12:12 AM
Post by: Euro mount on March 15, 2017, 11:20:20 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 15, 2017, 11:45:47 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 15, 2017, 11:58:06 AM
I'm guessing maybe tomorrow afternoon or definitely on Friday.
Shaniqua doesn't lie.
Post by: elkh8me on March 15, 2017, 01:59:55 PM
Post by: Harbor_hunter on March 15, 2017, 02:03:53 PM
Post by: elkrack on March 15, 2017, 04:14:06 PM
Post by: Brushcrawler on March 15, 2017, 04:36:11 PM
Post by: whackmaster on March 15, 2017, 05:16:05 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 15, 2017, 06:10:17 PM
Post by: grundy53 on March 15, 2017, 06:20:56 PM
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Post by: bearmanric on March 15, 2017, 06:55:09 PM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on March 15, 2017, 07:25:59 PM
Sausage is awsome. Did teri Jerky last year. Rick
I'll hafta do try making some bear jerky. My first and only bear, a few years ago, I threw a chunk of backstrap on the BBQ. Marinated in Yoshidas. Man, that was real good.
Can't beat that breakfast sausage tho!
Post by: Sakko300wsm on March 15, 2017, 07:27:32 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 15, 2017, 07:37:05 PM
Post by: Gunsmoke on March 15, 2017, 09:11:17 PM
hard enough getting through the front door. :chuckle:
The back doors been closed for years :chuckle:
Post by: Ripper on March 16, 2017, 05:02:41 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 16, 2017, 05:07:11 AM
Post by: Euro mount on March 16, 2017, 05:30:54 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 16, 2017, 06:53:06 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 16, 2017, 07:22:52 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 16, 2017, 07:35:52 AM
Talked to Tommy boy in Olympia he said 7 days !
He had just taken a bong hit and shotgunned a beer. He's off by 24-hours. :chuckle:
Post by: Euro mount on March 16, 2017, 07:49:49 AM
Post by: seth30 on March 16, 2017, 07:50:50 AM
Don't forget the 2 mile run and 3 shots of whiskey !Do I eat the bowl of spaghetti before or after :chuckle:
Post by: Timberstalker on March 16, 2017, 07:52:12 AM
Don't forget the 2 mile run and 3 shots of whiskey !Do I eat the bowl of spaghetti before or after :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:LMAO
Post by: Euro mount on March 16, 2017, 07:54:35 AM
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Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 16, 2017, 08:15:43 AM
It's starting...
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Post by: Euro mount on March 16, 2017, 08:20:04 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 16, 2017, 08:20:11 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 16, 2017, 08:25:14 AM
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It's starting...
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The website problems? Those have been ongoing..... :chuckle:
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Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 16, 2017, 09:19:22 AM
Oh deer!
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 16, 2017, 10:04:09 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 16, 2017, 10:25:41 AM
Curtis
Post by: dmoua on March 16, 2017, 10:46:39 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 16, 2017, 12:43:42 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 12:59:38 PM
It appears that tomorrow is the big day.Why's that?
Curtis
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Post by: Euro mount on March 16, 2017, 02:10:08 PM
Post by: Cascade on March 16, 2017, 02:12:51 PM
Post by: _TONY_ on March 16, 2017, 02:15:04 PM
Post by: Buck_Nasty11 on March 16, 2017, 02:17:35 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 02:17:52 PM
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Post by: Giggles on March 16, 2017, 02:26:30 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 16, 2017, 02:26:48 PM
Post by: crowinghen on March 16, 2017, 02:28:32 PM
hmmm
also Hubby doesn't have any points either, but he didn't have the option of editing his tag.
We both put in for kapowsin, which is a tough hunt in the spring , so not like it's in high success area, but you never know!
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 16, 2017, 02:30:32 PM
Post by: crowinghen on March 16, 2017, 02:30:40 PM
Post by: crowinghen on March 16, 2017, 02:32:01 PM
Mine went down 1 point. Wtf. And I can edit my permit again. And it says updated today. We should all blow them up by telephone and complain about our points being taken away. All my other points are the same as yesterday. Except bear permit. It decreased one point. This is ridiculous less than two weeks left till these coveted tags start...Where did you put in for?
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 16, 2017, 02:37:28 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 16, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 16, 2017, 02:40:13 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 02:45:00 PM
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Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 16, 2017, 02:47:07 PM
Post by: wamuledeer on March 16, 2017, 02:47:41 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 16, 2017, 02:48:43 PM
Results are up! For real.
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Liar liar pants on fire.
Shows submitted.
Post by: andersonjk4 on March 16, 2017, 02:50:20 PM
Results are up! For real.
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Liar liar pants on fire.
Shows submitted.
:yeah: :ban:
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 02:50:22 PM
Mine says not successful. Seriously.Results are up! For real.
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Liar liar pants on fire.
Shows submitted.
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Post by: h20hunter on March 16, 2017, 02:50:51 PM
Killing me Smalls!
Post by: andersonjk4 on March 16, 2017, 02:51:34 PM
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Post by: Hunt4ever on March 16, 2017, 02:56:52 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 16, 2017, 03:09:01 PM
:chuckle: :bash: :dunno:
Post by: Bob33 on March 16, 2017, 03:09:42 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 03:17:03 PM
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Post by: jrebel on March 16, 2017, 03:20:16 PM
Post by: JWEBB on March 16, 2017, 03:21:50 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 16, 2017, 03:45:36 PM
Final test before the draw????? Just making sure the system is working and we should see results first thing in the morning.........MONDAY!!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
:cryriver:
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 03:47:27 PM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 16, 2017, 03:50:20 PM
Post by: Milkman on March 16, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
Post by: h20hunter on March 16, 2017, 04:12:34 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 16, 2017, 04:14:03 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 04:16:41 PM
Mine showed selected, now submitted. This is ridiculous
That's brutal. Hopefully it'll show selected for you again. Unless you put in for Aladdin....
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 16, 2017, 04:19:10 PM
Not a good sign.
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 16, 2017, 04:24:40 PM
That's just in preparation for the drawing. :tup:
Post by: sled on March 16, 2017, 04:24:41 PM
Oh no, my black bear points just went from 1 to 2...mine just went from 2 to 3
Not a good sign.
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 16, 2017, 04:26:00 PM
Oh no, my black bear points just went from 1 to 2...mine went from 5 to 6
Not a good sign.
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 16, 2017, 04:27:27 PM
and my women's went from 3 to 4
Post by: Euro mount on March 16, 2017, 04:27:46 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 16, 2017, 04:28:34 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 16, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on March 16, 2017, 04:34:26 PM
And we're back down to 1... WTF WDFW!
Back to 2 in less than a minute. I"M LOSING MY SHEET HERE
Post by: teegansdad on March 16, 2017, 04:35:23 PM
Post by: ShaneTyTrey on March 16, 2017, 04:40:54 PM
Post by: JWEBB on March 16, 2017, 04:41:08 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 16, 2017, 04:45:48 PM
Post by: cm2cb4 on March 16, 2017, 04:46:26 PM
Post by: teegansdad on March 16, 2017, 04:47:53 PM
Post by: JWEBB on March 16, 2017, 04:48:40 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 16, 2017, 04:48:45 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 16, 2017, 04:49:15 PM
Something is happening (but something has been happening for a while now).There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
Post by: teegansdad on March 16, 2017, 04:51:07 PM
Post by: _TONY_ on March 16, 2017, 04:52:25 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 16, 2017, 04:56:41 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 16, 2017, 04:56:46 PM
Post by: _TONY_ on March 16, 2017, 05:04:26 PM
Post by: Igottanewknee on March 16, 2017, 06:16:14 PM
Lyrics to a song, right?Something is happening (but something has been happening for a while now).There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
I'm going to beat you guys to the punch and show that I got drawn by waiting for it in the mail!!! :dunno:
Probably happen before I can figure out this stupid Wdfw bull....
Post by: Bob33 on March 16, 2017, 06:18:49 PM
Lyrics to a song, right?Something is happening (but something has been happening for a while now).There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
I'm going to beat you guys to the punch and show that I got drawn by waiting for it in the mail!!! :dunno:
Probably happen before I can figure out this stupid Wdfw bull....
Post by: JWEBB on March 16, 2017, 07:25:02 PM
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Post by: Igottanewknee on March 16, 2017, 07:36:12 PM
Not going to wait for the mail...... Kapowsin it is.... :IBCOOL:Lyrics to a song, right?Something is happening (but something has been happening for a while now).There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
I'm going to beat you guys to the punch and show that I got drawn by waiting for it in the mail!!! :dunno:
Probably happen before I can figure out this stupid Wdfw bull....
Post by: browney5er on March 16, 2017, 07:39:33 PM
Post by: bearmanric on March 16, 2017, 07:41:17 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on March 16, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 07:51:59 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 07:55:31 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 07:57:05 PM
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Post by: JWEBB on March 16, 2017, 07:58:40 PM
Post by: JWEBB on March 16, 2017, 08:00:59 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 08:01:37 PM
I'm not bitter about not drawing but I would be extremely curious to hear what the WDFW says if someone called tomorrow and asked why the draw essentially happened twice in one day.
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No kidding, Mike. That's exactly what I'll do tomorrow! I wouldn't take this $hit from anybody, let alone some lackey Govt desk jockeys!
Post by: bobcat on March 16, 2017, 08:03:22 PM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 16, 2017, 08:05:40 PM
Not sure why anybody's upset. You're really not supposed to check the results until they notify us that the draw is complete and the results are up. Whatever you saw prior to the official draw doesn't count.
:yeah:
I'm still hoping for that 3rd Redraw
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 08:12:50 PM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 16, 2017, 08:15:09 PM
I want my 6 dollars back :chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 16, 2017, 08:18:08 PM
PS I'm not bitter or upset about the results either. I wish everyone that was selected good luck. I do think that JWEBB was outright swindled though, he should be entitled to a permit. EVERYONE should get their money back; it was WDFW's decision to go computerized...if the results go up once, they should stand as-is, not pulled and redistributed. Might be politically incorrect, but where I come from we call that an Indian giver!
Why was he swindled?
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 16, 2017, 08:30:25 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 09:29:10 PM
PS I'm not bitter or upset about the results either. I wish everyone that was selected good luck. I do think that JWEBB was outright swindled though, he should be entitled to a permit. EVERYONE should get their money back; it was WDFW's decision to go computerized...if the results go up once, they should stand as-is, not pulled and redistributed. Might be politically incorrect, but where I come from we call that an Indian giver!
Why was he swindled?
He was selected for a permit and then had it STOLEN from him due to a failure of WDFW's computer system, resulting in a re-draw. He was not the only one that experienced the glitch, many had their points mysteriously disappear and reappear later on. I don't know if you're being philosophical with your comment or if you just haven't read the other comments from many other hunters noting the glitches as well...It is clear that this was a system-wide error and WDFW needs to take responsibility, apologize, and issue refunds to ALL applicants. Simple as that.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 09:39:31 PM
I want my 6 dollars back :chuckle:
There were 7,593 spring bear applications in 2016. Likely at least that many for this year. Times $6, that's $45,558, a FORTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR screwup by WDFW!
You keep chuckling, buster!!!
Post by: Timberstalker on March 16, 2017, 09:45:04 PM
PS I'm not bitter or upset about the results either. I wish everyone that was selected good luck. I do think that JWEBB was outright swindled though, he should be entitled to a permit. EVERYONE should get their money back; it was WDFW's decision to go computerized...if the results go up once, they should stand as-is, not pulled and redistributed. Might be politically incorrect, but where I come from we call that an Indian giver!
Why was he swindled?
He was selected for a permit and then had it STOLEN from him due to a failure of WDFW's computer system, resulting in a re-draw. He was not the only one that experienced the glitch, many had their points mysteriously disappear and reappear later on. I don't know if you're being philosophical with your comment or if you just haven't read the other comments from many other hunters noting the glitches as well...It is clear that this was a system-wide error and WDFW needs to take responsibility, apologize, and issue refunds to ALL applicants. Simple as that.
How tight is your tinfoil?
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 16, 2017, 09:52:54 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 16, 2017, 09:57:03 PM
I was going to stay out of this but I just can't. I was there at the draw, after the results were posted the first time they saw immediately that 4 people, 2 groups didn't get their points applied to the draw. 4 people affected out of over 4,700 and they found it, they knew the draw had to be 100% correct so quickly pulled the results off. A few hours later, conference calls to Baltimore with people working overtime, they finally got it 100% right for all of us. Trust me, they will not accept any possibility that any one person gets left out. We saw all the comments on Huntwa, some gave us a good laugh, some showed the frustrations, they understand and were hell bent on getting it right and posted before they went home. I get the frustrations, I've bitched plenty myself, but I can assure you, they worked very hard to get this done and done right.PS I'm not bitter or upset about the results either. I wish everyone that was selected good luck. I do think that JWEBB was outright swindled though, he should be entitled to a permit. EVERYONE should get their money back; it was WDFW's decision to go computerized...if the results go up once, they should stand as-is, not pulled and redistributed. Might be politically incorrect, but where I come from we call that an Indian giver!
Why was he swindled?
He was selected for a permit and then had it STOLEN from him due to a failure of WDFW's computer system, resulting in a re-draw. He was not the only one that experienced the glitch, many had their points mysteriously disappear and reappear later on. I don't know if you're being philosophical with your comment or if you just haven't read the other comments from many other hunters noting the glitches as well...It is clear that this was a system-wide error and WDFW needs to take responsibility, apologize, and issue refunds to ALL applicants. Simple as that.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 09:58:21 PM
PS I'm not bitter or upset about the results either. I wish everyone that was selected good luck. I do think that JWEBB was outright swindled though, he should be entitled to a permit. EVERYONE should get their money back; it was WDFW's decision to go computerized...if the results go up once, they should stand as-is, not pulled and redistributed. Might be politically incorrect, but where I come from we call that an Indian giver!
Why was he swindled?
He was selected for a permit and then had it STOLEN from him due to a failure of WDFW's computer system, resulting in a re-draw. He was not the only one that experienced the glitch, many had their points mysteriously disappear and reappear later on. I don't know if you're being philosophical with your comment or if you just haven't read the other comments from many other hunters noting the glitches as well...It is clear that this was a system-wide error and WDFW needs to take responsibility, apologize, and issue refunds to ALL applicants. Simple as that.
How tight is your tinfoil?
Putting down space cadets and bullying poor helpless little green men will get you nowhere, "stalker!" ;)
Post by: JWEBB on March 16, 2017, 10:03:03 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 10:05:04 PM
So even though four out of five of us drew we should get our $ back... they can keep it. :chuckle: :IBCOOL: :hello:
But what if one of the five had his permit taken away and given to one of the other five (same thing that happened to JWEBB), does that work for you? No offense but are you a communist?
Post by: trophyhunt on March 16, 2017, 10:06:02 PM
Trophyhunt, so did they completely re do the draw than when they saw that some people were left Out?yes, in order to get those left out they have to run a completely new draw.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 16, 2017, 10:09:35 PM
Post by: JWEBB on March 16, 2017, 10:11:55 PM
Post by: hunter399 on March 16, 2017, 10:13:40 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 16, 2017, 10:19:02 PM
Dang my unlucky day. I wish I would have never looked and saw Selected at around 230pm. Well maybe next year.I know how it feels, I drew for the alkali quality buck tag back when they had a redraw. Didn't draw after the redraw, sucked. You guys that didn't draw, it's probably a good thing, the snow pack this year is huge.
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 10:20:04 PM
This just blew my mind. How in the F can people be left out of the draw? Can anyone explain this with specifics? What kind of ancient technology/computer program are they using where someone who submitted an application to their database gets left out of a computer generated, algorithm based, randomized draw? Of all states in the West, you'd think Washington would be at the top for technology.I was going to stay out of this but I just can't. I was there at the draw, after the results were posted the first time they saw immediately that 4 people, 2 groups didn't get their points applied to the draw. 4 people affected out of over 7,200 and they found it, they knew the draw had to be 100% correct so quickly pulled the results off. A few hours later, conference calls to Baltimore with people working overtime, they finally got it 100% right for all of us. Trust me, they will not accept any possibility that any one person gets left out. We saw all the comments on Huntwa, some gave us a good laugh, some showed the frustrations, they understand and were hell bent on getting it right and posted before they went home. I get the frustrations, I've bitched plenty myself, but I can assure you, they worked very hard to get this done and done right.PS I'm not bitter or upset about the results either. I wish everyone that was selected good luck. I do think that JWEBB was outright swindled though, he should be entitled to a permit. EVERYONE should get their money back; it was WDFW's decision to go computerized...if the results go up once, they should stand as-is, not pulled and redistributed. Might be politically incorrect, but where I come from we call that an Indian giver!
Why was he swindled?
He was selected for a permit and then had it STOLEN from him due to a failure of WDFW's computer system, resulting in a re-draw. He was not the only one that experienced the glitch, many had their points mysteriously disappear and reappear later on. I don't know if you're being philosophical with your comment or if you just haven't read the other comments from many other hunters noting the glitches as well...It is clear that this was a system-wide error and WDFW needs to take responsibility, apologize, and issue refunds to ALL applicants. Simple as that.
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Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 10:20:51 PM
Trophyhunt, so did they completely re do the draw than when they saw that some people were left Out?yes, in order to get those left out they have to run a completely new draw.
Thanks for the info, trophyhunt. Confirmed re-draw as we all expected. I suppose I understand the logic to a 100 percent fairness draw, but I still think they should make an exception for the individuals that found out that they were initially chosen, then had their permits revoked (looks like only 1 individual so far). If WDFW is so precise, then results should have never gone out to individual's accounts until they were triple checked and finalized. I still think that a general refund would not be unreasonable at this point...
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 10:26:16 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 16, 2017, 10:26:27 PM
To confirm, they weren't so much left out, they applied and that showed up but they either didn't pick ghost points or a hunt number, or it just didn't get applied. It really is a complex deal, their determination to get it right was impressive.This just blew my mind. How in the F can people be left out of the draw? Can anyone explain this with specifics? What kind of ancient technology/computer program are they using where someone who submitted an application to their database gets left out of a computer generated, algorithm based, randomized draw? Of all states in the West, you'd think Washington would be at the top for technology.I was going to stay out of this but I just can't. I was there at the draw, after the results were posted the first time they saw immediately that 4 people, 2 groups didn't get their points applied to the draw. 4 people affected out of over 7,200 and they found it, they knew the draw had to be 100% correct so quickly pulled the results off. A few hours later, conference calls to Baltimore with people working overtime, they finally got it 100% right for all of us. Trust me, they will not accept any possibility that any one person gets left out. We saw all the comments on Huntwa, some gave us a good laugh, some showed the frustrations, they understand and were hell bent on getting it right and posted before they went home. I get the frustrations, I've bitched plenty myself, but I can assure you, they worked very hard to get this done and done right.PS I'm not bitter or upset about the results either. I wish everyone that was selected good luck. I do think that JWEBB was outright swindled though, he should be entitled to a permit. EVERYONE should get their money back; it was WDFW's decision to go computerized...if the results go up once, they should stand as-is, not pulled and redistributed. Might be politically incorrect, but where I come from we call that an Indian giver!
Why was he swindled?
He was selected for a permit and then had it STOLEN from him due to a failure of WDFW's computer system, resulting in a re-draw. He was not the only one that experienced the glitch, many had their points mysteriously disappear and reappear later on. I don't know if you're being philosophical with your comment or if you just haven't read the other comments from many other hunters noting the glitches as well...It is clear that this was a system-wide error and WDFW needs to take responsibility, apologize, and issue refunds to ALL applicants. Simple as that.
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Post by: JWEBB on March 16, 2017, 10:27:26 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 10:31:31 PM
I respect their dedication to correcting the wrong but any issues should've been identified and fixed before they even adopted this system. It's like a teenager wrote some BS app and sold it to the state for bottom dollar and the state adopted it before actually checking it out thoroughly and making sure there weren't any obvious, huge bugs like what happened this afternoon.To confirm, they weren't so much left out, they applied and that showed up but they either didn't pick ghost points or a hunt number, or it just didn't get applied. It really is a complex deal, their determination to get it right was impressive.This just blew my mind. How in the F can people be left out of the draw? Can anyone explain this with specifics? What kind of ancient technology/computer program are they using where someone who submitted an application to their database gets left out of a computer generated, algorithm based, randomized draw? Of all states in the West, you'd think Washington would be at the top for technology.I was going to stay out of this but I just can't. I was there at the draw, after the results were posted the first time they saw immediately that 4 people, 2 groups didn't get their points applied to the draw. 4 people affected out of over 7,200 and they found it, they knew the draw had to be 100% correct so quickly pulled the results off. A few hours later, conference calls to Baltimore with people working overtime, they finally got it 100% right for all of us. Trust me, they will not accept any possibility that any one person gets left out. We saw all the comments on Huntwa, some gave us a good laugh, some showed the frustrations, they understand and were hell bent on getting it right and posted before they went home. I get the frustrations, I've bitched plenty myself, but I can assure you, they worked very hard to get this done and done right.PS I'm not bitter or upset about the results either. I wish everyone that was selected good luck. I do think that JWEBB was outright swindled though, he should be entitled to a permit. EVERYONE should get their money back; it was WDFW's decision to go computerized...if the results go up once, they should stand as-is, not pulled and redistributed. Might be politically incorrect, but where I come from we call that an Indian giver!
Why was he swindled?
He was selected for a permit and then had it STOLEN from him due to a failure of WDFW's computer system, resulting in a re-draw. He was not the only one that experienced the glitch, many had their points mysteriously disappear and reappear later on. I don't know if you're being philosophical with your comment or if you just haven't read the other comments from many other hunters noting the glitches as well...It is clear that this was a system-wide error and WDFW needs to take responsibility, apologize, and issue refunds to ALL applicants. Simple as that.
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 16, 2017, 10:33:13 PM
Calvin makes a good point. They shouldn't have been posted on their site until the results were triple checked. But they definitely did the right thing to do the Redraw to include the missed applications but the fact that there was even missed apps is crazy to me. Typical government sector though. Had this been the private sector and this happened, people would no doubt be losing their jobs. But I would imagine if it was private sector then the draw would've probably been ran within a few days instead of a few weeks. And also accurate the first time.This is a new system with a new company, they for sure had bugs to work out, but previous tests ran perfectly. They absolutely paid attention to every detail and I feel pretty confident they will nail it next time. Let's be glad this wasn't the big draw in May!
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Post by: hunter399 on March 16, 2017, 10:33:29 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on March 16, 2017, 10:39:52 PM
Ya unless you weren't selected for a moose tag the first time then got one on the second go around lol. I was not selected on both today so I'm not too upset personally but there's just so much wrong that happened this afternoon that I've lost all faith for the June draw. If I get drawn for any of the big hunts, I won't believe it until I have the permit delivered in the mail haha.Calvin makes a good point. They shouldn't have been posted on their site until the results were triple checked. But they definitely did the right thing to do the Redraw to include the missed applications but the fact that there was even missed apps is crazy to me. Typical government sector though. Had this been the private sector and this happened, people would no doubt be losing their jobs. But I would imagine if it was private sector then the draw would've probably been ran within a few days instead of a few weeks. And also accurate the first time.This is a new system with a new company, they for sure had bugs to work out, but previous tests ran perfectly. They absolutely paid attention to every detail and I feel pretty confident they will nail it next time. Let's be glad this wasn't the big draw in May!
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Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 10:41:07 PM
Why is everybody mad,if you didn't draw you got a point for next year,if you get your money back then you lose that point you just for,and 6 dollars c'mon ,that's not enough for a pack of ciggs,wow
Nothing to do with the six bucks, hunter...Man, get with it...it's about sending WDFW a message that we don't deserve to put up with this crap.
Post by: hunter399 on March 16, 2017, 10:44:16 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 16, 2017, 10:59:11 PM
WDfw just wants your 💰 money that's it nothing else , and they got it,i remember when they sent you a card for permit,and there was no internet crap.
I remember too. Couldn't agree with you more! Bunch of money grubbin fools!
Post by: dmoua on March 16, 2017, 11:05:40 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 17, 2017, 07:03:30 AM
So even though four out of five of us drew we should get our $ back... they can keep it. :chuckle: :IBCOOL: :hello:
But what if one of the five had his permit taken away and given to one of the other five (same thing that happened to JWEBB), does that work for you? No offense but are you a communist?
I take great offense to that and hate commies. I hate all Marxist train of thought. If you knew me you'd know that though...... sounds to me like obsessively checking the results could be a real mind *censored*. I'm not calling, asking like a baby for my change back cause they had to redraw. My family drew four tags... if one got taken away after the redraw I bet 4 got added. I was checking the same minute as j and all our points went up. So I figured no good... Good to know you want our money refunded cause a redraw. Doubt they give a single dollar back. Besides my bogus 10$ fee. :chuckle:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 17, 2017, 07:06:40 AM
Not Selected, guess I'll kill 2 turkeys instead!
Curtis
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 07:54:41 AM
So even though four out of five of us drew we should get our $ back... they can keep it. :chuckle: :IBCOOL: :hello:
But what if one of the five had his permit taken away and given to one of the other five (same thing that happened to JWEBB), does that work for you? No offense but are you a communist?
I take great offense to that and hate commies. I hate all Marxist train of thought. If you knew me you'd know that though...... sounds to me like obsessively checking the results could be a real mind *censored*. I'm not calling, asking like a baby for my change back cause they had to redraw. My family drew four tags... if one got taken away after the redraw I bet 4 got added. I was checking the same minute as j and all our points went up. So I figured no good... Good to know you want our money refunded cause a redraw. Doubt they give a single dollar back. Besides my bogus 10$ fee. :chuckle:
Well, that's the way WDFW was behaving when they took JWEBB's permit away and communized it over to someone else, just sayin'. The big problem here is the amount of resources these clowns have, yet they still just can't get it right the FIRST TIME!
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 07:57:46 AM
So even though four out of five of us drew we should get our $ back... they can keep it. :chuckle: :IBCOOL: :hello:
But what if one of the five had his permit taken away and given to one of the other five (same thing that happened to JWEBB), does that work for you? No offense but are you a communist?
I take great offense to that and hate commies. I hate all Marxist train of thought. If you knew me you'd know that though...... sounds to me like obsessively checking the results could be a real mind *censored*. I'm not calling, asking like a baby for my change back cause they had to redraw. My family drew four tags... if one got taken away after the redraw I bet 4 got added. I was checking the same minute as j and all our points went up. So I figured no good... Good to know you want our money refunded cause a redraw. Doubt they give a single dollar back. Besides my bogus 10$ fee. :chuckle:
Well, that's the way WDFW was behaving when they took JWEBB's permit away and communized it over to someone else, just sayin'. The big problem here is the amount of resources these clowns have, yet they still just can't get it right the FIRST TIME!
PS - I like TriggerMike's quote which is so true, " if it was private sector then the draw would've probably been ran within a few days instead of a few weeks. And also accurate the first time. "
Post by: idahohuntr on March 17, 2017, 09:01:11 AM
PS - I like TriggerMike's quote which is so true, " if it was private sector then the draw would've probably been ran within a few days instead of a few weeks. And also accurate the first time. "Is the draw/license system not produced by a private contractor? That was my understanding.
Post by: JWEBB on March 17, 2017, 09:39:12 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on March 17, 2017, 10:02:56 AM
Just talked to wdfw in Olympian for 15 minutes. They informed me that the first draw was done incorrectly leaving out 4 people as trophy hunt had said yesterday. They ran my wild Id number and indeed I was selected the first draw. But since they screwed up and forgot to add 4 people to the draw they took it away and completely re ran the draw. They apologized multiple times and the lady said that the system was working perfect up till the first draw. She said there is no compensation what so ever for their mistake. Again, I do agree that the draw needs to include everyone to be fair. I am just truly disappointed in the WDFW for allowing this problem to happen in the first place. In no way shape or form should their results be posted to the public until the draw is done right. So after its all said and done I was selected than not selected and now WDFW is not doing a thing to make it right.I suggest in the future you wait until receiving confirmation from WDFW the results are confirmed and posted; don't log in and keep checking in anticipation of potential results. I don't understand why you think you deserve "compensation" from WDFW...if you guys keep whining to Olympia my guess is they will prolong the posting of draw results for substantially longer than they currently do.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 17, 2017, 10:07:38 AM
Just talked to wdfw in Olympian for 15 minutes. They informed me that the first draw was done incorrectly leaving out 4 people as trophy hunt had said yesterday. They ran my wild Id number and indeed I was selected the first draw. But since they screwed up and forgot to add 4 people to the draw they took it away and completely re ran the draw. They apologized multiple times and the lady said that the system was working perfect up till the first draw. She said there is no compensation what so ever for their mistake. Again, I do agree that the draw needs to include everyone to be fair. I am just truly disappointed in the WDFW for allowing this problem to happen in the first place. In no way shape or form should their results be posted to the public until the draw is done right. So after its all said and done I was selected than not selected and now WDFW is not doing a thing to make it right.
Just be glad it's just a bear tag. Last redraw a guy I worked with drew sheep and lost it to the redraw. He never drew again, retired and is dead now. Hopefully this story makes you feel better :chuckle:
Post by: JWEBB on March 17, 2017, 10:20:21 AM
Just talked to wdfw in Olympian for 15 minutes. They informed me that the first draw was done incorrectly leaving out 4 people as trophy hunt had said yesterday. They ran my wild Id number and indeed I was selected the first draw. But since they screwed up and forgot to add 4 people to the draw they took it away and completely re ran the draw. They apologized multiple times and the lady said that the system was working perfect up till the first draw. She said there is no compensation what so ever for their mistake. Again, I do agree that the draw needs to include everyone to be fair. I am just truly disappointed in the WDFW for allowing this problem to happen in the first place. In no way shape or form should their results be posted to the public until the draw is done right. So after its all said and done I was selected than not selected and now WDFW is not doing a thing to make it right.I suggest in the future you wait until receiving confirmation from WDFW the results are confirmed and posted; don't log in and keep checking in anticipation of potential results. I don't understand why you think you deserve "compensation" from WDFW...if you guys keep whining to Olympia my guess is they will prolong the posting of draw results for substantially longer than they currently do.
Seriously?? Im not even to begin to reason with you. Obviously you dont give a darn because it didnt happpn to you. It shouldnt make a difference if you check early or not. Plain and simple none if these draws should be released to public until they are finalized!!!!!
Post by: JWEBB on March 17, 2017, 10:22:31 AM
Just talked to wdfw in Olympian for 15 minutes. They informed me that the first draw was done incorrectly leaving out 4 people as trophy hunt had said yesterday. They ran my wild Id number and indeed I was selected the first draw. But since they screwed up and forgot to add 4 people to the draw they took it away and completely re ran the draw. They apologized multiple times and the lady said that the system was working perfect up till the first draw. She said there is no compensation what so ever for their mistake. Again, I do agree that the draw needs to include everyone to be fair. I am just truly disappointed in the WDFW for allowing this problem to happen in the first place. In no way shape or form should their results be posted to the public until the draw is done right. So after its all said and done I was selected than not selected and now WDFW is not doing a thing to make it right.
Just be glad it's just a bear tag. Last redraw a guy I worked with drew sheep and lost it to the redraw. He never drew again, retired and is dead now. Hopefully this story makes you feel better :chuckle:
Agreed! Just hope it doesnt happen with my quality elk tag
Post by: bobcat on March 17, 2017, 10:23:20 AM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on March 17, 2017, 10:27:39 AM
We are all just bitter because we didn't get drawn. :chuckle:
I predict this will make 50 pages before August 1st
Post by: Bob33 on March 17, 2017, 10:28:11 AM
Most of the time what people are calling a "redraw" is not actually that at all. It would only be a redraw if the WDFW notified the public that the draw was complete and that the results are posted, and then later said oops we made a mistake, we're doing the draw over. There's no reason to expect any kind of compensation, or even an apology, from the WDFW. They did nothing wrong. I do agree it would have been nice to have it done a little sooner but with an entirely new system this year I'd give them a break on that.At what time did that occur yesterday?
Post by: TriggerMike on March 17, 2017, 10:29:29 AM
Just talked to wdfw in Olympian for 15 minutes. They informed me that the first draw was done incorrectly leaving out 4 people as trophy hunt had said yesterday. They ran my wild Id number and indeed I was selected the first draw. But since they screwed up and forgot to add 4 people to the draw they took it away and completely re ran the draw. They apologized multiple times and the lady said that the system was working perfect up till the first draw. She said there is no compensation what so ever for their mistake. Again, I do agree that the draw needs to include everyone to be fair. I am just truly disappointed in the WDFW for allowing this problem to happen in the first place. In no way shape or form should their results be posted to the public until the draw is done right. So after its all said and done I was selected than not selected and now WDFW is not doing a thing to make it right.
Bum deal but I guess it just wasn't meant to be this season. The draws definitely should not be posted at all until they're 100% finalized. Which is ridiculous because you'd think it would've been in their best interest to not post them until they made sure they were right so they could avoid the crap storm and lack of trust from the public. Such a joke. There's gotta be 10x as many guys hitting the refresh button every minute for the main draw, think if this had happened then (or when it does). No reason to post them until they're triple checked.
Post by: JWEBB on March 17, 2017, 10:34:22 AM
Most of the time what people are calling a "redraw" is not actually that at all. It would only be a redraw if the WDFW notified the public that the draw was complete and that the results are posted, and then later said oops we made a mistake, we're doing the draw over. There's no reason to expect any kind of compensation, or even an apology, from the WDFW. They did nothing wrong. I do agree it would have been nice to have it done a little sooner but with an entirely new system this year I'd give them a break on that.
So you dont see any problem that i was selected and than not selected?
Post by: Bob33 on March 17, 2017, 10:37:36 AM
I would if the results were considered official; I don't know when that occurred. It was evident that testing was being done throughout the afternoon, so results observed then wouldn't have any validity.Most of the time what people are calling a "redraw" is not actually that at all. It would only be a redraw if the WDFW notified the public that the draw was complete and that the results are posted, and then later said oops we made a mistake, we're doing the draw over. There's no reason to expect any kind of compensation, or even an apology, from the WDFW. They did nothing wrong. I do agree it would have been nice to have it done a little sooner but with an entirely new system this year I'd give them a break on that.
So you dont see any problem that i was selected and than not selected?
Post by: kckrawler on March 17, 2017, 10:38:00 AM
Most of the time what people are calling a "redraw" is not actually that at all. It would only be a redraw if the WDFW notified the public that the draw was complete and that the results are posted, and then later said oops we made a mistake, we're doing the draw over. There's no reason to expect any kind of compensation, or even an apology, from the WDFW. They did nothing wrong. I do agree it would have been nice to have it done a little sooner but with an entirely new system this year I'd give them a break on that.At what time did that occur yesterday?
I got my notification email at 7:40 last night.
Post by: seth30 on March 17, 2017, 10:45:00 AM
I never got a email, just logged in and saw I was selected :dunno:Most of the time what people are calling a "redraw" is not actually that at all. It would only be a redraw if the WDFW notified the public that the draw was complete and that the results are posted, and then later said oops we made a mistake, we're doing the draw over. There's no reason to expect any kind of compensation, or even an apology, from the WDFW. They did nothing wrong. I do agree it would have been nice to have it done a little sooner but with an entirely new system this year I'd give them a break on that.At what time did that occur yesterday?
I got my notification email at 7:40 last night.
Post by: idahohuntr on March 17, 2017, 10:47:47 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 17, 2017, 11:08:45 AM
Or simply temporarily take the site offline for testing.
It is unfortunate that some saw preliminary results that indicated they were selected.
Post by: TriggerMike on March 17, 2017, 11:12:37 AM
It seems like an easy solution would be for WDFW to post a banner on the website indicating that "Testing of draw results is in process. During this time the results displayed are for testing purposes only and should not be considered official. When testing is complete and results are final, a notification will be posted."
Or simply temporarily take the site offline for testing.
It is unfortunate that some saw preliminary results that indicated they were selected.
That would be so easy and logical that you can guarantee they will never do it lol.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on March 17, 2017, 11:13:37 AM
Just talked to wdfw in Olympian for 15 minutes. They informed me that the first draw was done incorrectly leaving out 4 people as trophy hunt had said yesterday. They ran my wild Id number and indeed I was selected the first draw. But since they screwed up and forgot to add 4 people to the draw they took it away and completely re ran the draw. They apologized multiple times and the lady said that the system was working perfect up till the first draw. She said there is no compensation what so ever for their mistake. Again, I do agree that the draw needs to include everyone to be fair. I am just truly disappointed in the WDFW for allowing this problem to happen in the first place. In no way shape or form should their results be posted to the public until the draw is done right. So after its all said and done I was selected than not selected and now WDFW is not doing a thing to make it right.
Just be glad it's just a bear tag. Last redraw a guy I worked with drew sheep and lost it to the redraw. He never drew again, retired and is dead now. Hopefully this story makes you feel better :chuckle:
Agreed! Just hope it doesnt happen with my quality elk tag
Hahaha I hear ya!
Post by: jrebel on March 17, 2017, 11:24:52 AM
"Days of our Lives" on the HW forum.
Not getting drawn just means I get to hunt bear in the fall. :tup: :tup:
Post by: Bucks2Ducks on March 17, 2017, 11:34:23 AM
Post by: 2MANY on March 17, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 17, 2017, 11:56:55 AM
Most of the time what people are calling a "redraw" is not actually that at all. It would only be a redraw if the WDFW notified the public that the draw was complete and that the results are posted, and then later said oops we made a mistake, we're doing the draw over. There's no reason to expect any kind of compensation, or even an apology, from the WDFW. They did nothing wrong. I do agree it would have been nice to have it done a little sooner but with an entirely new system this year I'd give them a break on that.At what time did that occur yesterday?
I wouldn't know since I didn't apply. But I see in a post in this thread that an email notification was sent out at 7:40 last night.
I agree it would be better if the preliminary results weren't viewable by the public, until they become official. But the WDFW did the right thing by running the draw again.
I'm betting they didn't expect that they would need to do it a second time and change the results and I'm guessing they weren't happy about it either.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 17, 2017, 12:17:44 PM
Trust me, they were very concerned and heart broken when they saw that those 4 guys weren't correctly in the drawing, the feeling in the room was extremely low. But they pulled up their pants and went to work to get it done right. How many draws have you seen posted after 5pm? I was wrong earlier in one of my post but I fixed it, it was 4,709 applications in the draw not 7,000 like I said last night, damn celebratory drinks.Most of the time what people are calling a "redraw" is not actually that at all. It would only be a redraw if the WDFW notified the public that the draw was complete and that the results are posted, and then later said oops we made a mistake, we're doing the draw over. There's no reason to expect any kind of compensation, or even an apology, from the WDFW. They did nothing wrong. I do agree it would have been nice to have it done a little sooner but with an entirely new system this year I'd give them a break on that.At what time did that occur yesterday?
I wouldn't know since I didn't apply. But I see in a post in this thread that an email notification was sent out at 7:40 last night.
I agree it would be better if the preliminary results weren't viewable by the public, until they become official. But the WDFW did the right thing by running the draw again.
I'm betting they didn't expect that they would need to do it a second time and change the results and I'm guessing they weren't happy about it either.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 12:25:44 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 12:30:05 PM
If JWEBB drew a tag to shoot that bull in his avatar then I cant feel to bad for him. 7 points this year and still nothing, over 70 not selected's for me, 0 selected and I don't put in for OIL tags cause there is a better chance of getting killed by lighting. I was really looking forward to the possibly of not chasing turkeys this year too! Oh well spring bears taste like skunk cabbage anyway.
Another commenter with socialist tendencies? This just gets better and better! So because I made good in the past, means I should get screwed and get stuff taken away from me and given to others?
Post by: bobcat on March 17, 2017, 12:33:32 PM
Another commenter with socialist tendencies? This just gets better and better! So because I made good in the past, means I should get screwed and get stuff taken away from me and given to others?
If your results showed not selected the first time, but then was changed to selected, would you want to give the permit back? Or would you take it?
Post by: Woodchuck on March 17, 2017, 12:34:15 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 17, 2017, 12:37:39 PM
Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.:yeah:
Post by: JWEBB on March 17, 2017, 12:42:30 PM
Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.
I am over this situation, but just wanted to make it clear again that I talked to fish and game and it was a draw. Not a test or anything of such nature. 4 hunters were left out so they pulled the draw and did a redraw. Wdfw confirmed this today when I spoke with them. Anyone feel free to call them. They apologized and agreed that they were at fault. And again no results should be posted until the draw is absolutely 100 percent accurate and done. We are not living in the stone age. These drawings have been around for years. But again I'm over it. Big government wins again
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 12:50:24 PM
Another commenter with socialist tendencies? This just gets better and better! So because I made good in the past, means I should get screwed and get stuff taken away from me and given to others?
If your results showed not selected the first time, but then was changed to selected, would you want to give the permit back? Or would you take it?
I think anyone who was selected should get permits. Maybe I'm just an eternal tinfoil hat optimist! :) Long live the American dream!
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 17, 2017, 12:54:11 PM
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Post by: tonymiller7 on March 17, 2017, 01:03:43 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 17, 2017, 01:04:43 PM
I am not questioning the why or where or how. My point is that the results were never posted as official. This is not the first time this has happened and a person should not get their hopes too high until you get the e mail. :twocents:Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.
I am over this situation, but just wanted to make it clear again that I talked to fish and game and it was a draw. Not a test or anything of such nature. 4 hunters were left out so they pulled the draw and did a redraw. Wdfw confirmed this today when I spoke with them. Anyone feel free to call them. They apologized and agreed that they were at fault. And again no results should be posted until the draw is absolutely 100 percent accurate and done. We are not living in the stone age. These drawings have been around for years. But again I'm over it. Big government wins again
Post by: trophyhunt on March 17, 2017, 01:06:33 PM
Trophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?Im not exactly sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.
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Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 01:15:25 PM
I think your solution would have been a very reasonable decision...but why go with the most logical plan, eh? :PTrophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?Im not exactly sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.
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Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 17, 2017, 01:52:50 PM
So were they calling these guys to get a hunt choice or did they throw them into a random hunt choice. Seems to me like they could've left the draw as is and added a point manually to each of the 4 who forgot hunt choices. Either way I have no dog in this fight but just seems like wdfw took the most difficult approach to fixing a minor mistakeTrophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?Im not exactly sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 17, 2017, 02:04:07 PM
They took the time to call them, they did get a hold of both parties and one wanted points, the other a hunt.So were they calling these guys to get a hunt choice or did they throw them into a random hunt choice. Seems to me like they could've left the draw as is and added a point manually to each of the 4 who forgot hunt choices. Either way I have no dog in this fight but just seems like wdfw took the most difficult approach to fixing a minor mistakeTrophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?Im not exactly sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.
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Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 02:09:43 PM
So were they calling these guys to get a hunt choice or did they throw them into a random hunt choice. Seems to me like they could've left the draw as is and added a point manually to each of the 4 who forgot hunt choices. Either way I have no dog in this fight but just seems like wdfw took the most difficult approach to fixing a minor mistakeTrophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?Im not exactly sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.
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Couldn't agree with you more, Andrew. I say 4 guys mess-up their OWN applications = 4 guys get points and move it on down the road. Don't screw with the 7,000 other folks' results... Jeez!
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 17, 2017, 02:22:04 PM
You can't have a permit revoked you didn't receive. Until you receive your hard copy in the mail you don't have a permit. WDFW is a joke of a department, if you are surprised there was a screw up you are a fool. I expect the drawing to be ridiculously late and flawed every year.
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Until the dust settles, nothing is over. Wish we couldn't see "indicators" of the draw
Post by: idahohuntr on March 17, 2017, 02:27:45 PM
Hmmmm...this changes my perspective if I understand correctly. If the fault is with the 4 applicants and not WDFW or the license system, there should not be corrections or "redraws"...as stated above, give them their points and send them along. If the WDFW is at fault, and left 4 applicants out - then they did the right thing. In either case, the results aren't official until they are :chuckle:So were they calling these guys to get a hunt choice or did they throw them into a random hunt choice. Seems to me like they could've left the draw as is and added a point manually to each of the 4 who forgot hunt choices. Either way I have no dog in this fight but just seems like wdfw took the most difficult approach to fixing a minor mistakeTrophyhunt just for a little clarity I saw on a post you said the 4 guys who were left out either forgot to choose a hunt number or ghost point option, at that point couldn't they have just manually added a point and left the draw as is? Did they really run a redraw over 4 guys who forgot to enter their choices?Im not exactly sure how it happened, but they did not pick ghost points or a hunt number so there chance at drawing either a hunt or a ghost point just wasn't there. I personally would've left them out of the drawing at that point because they didn't fill out the application right, but Wdfw is very cautious about these draws and if you paid your money for the application they feel you deserve to be in the drawing whether you mess up or they mess up.
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Couldn't agree with you more, Andrew. I say 4 guys mess-up their OWN applications = 4 guys get points and move it on down the road. Don't screw with the 7,000 other folks' results... Jeez!
Post by: bobcat on March 17, 2017, 02:50:34 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 17, 2017, 03:02:42 PM
Id also agree that anyone who doesn't properly submit there applications shouldn't have them fixed at the last minute by the WDFW.Again, I'm not exactly sure what or how that happened (those guys not being put in), I just want to be clear about that. But I am positive about the Wdfw's due diligence to fix it and get it right.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 03:21:30 PM
Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.
There is no question that there was a re-draw - was already admitted to by WDFW and several other reliable sources who were present at the draw. This whole shenanigan over 4 lousy applications that were not properly completed by the applicants themselves and therefore not included in the draw. So the 7,000 others who went through the first draw get to to pay for the mistakes of four people.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 03:26:25 PM
Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.
PS - You just don't post results on everyone's accounts until it's already official. If WDFW doesn't have that worked out by now, than the whole system needs to go back to the drawing board, simple as that.
Post by: TriggerMike on March 17, 2017, 04:10:11 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on March 17, 2017, 04:20:19 PM
So what exactly is the WDFW doing to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that everyone is properly submitted for the main draw in June? There's what, 40 times as many people in that draw and each person has multiple categories to put in for? So probably 400 times as many hunt choices for them to double check? Instead of 4000 apps they'll have to check over 1 million is what I'm saying. And if they check to see if everyone is submitted correctly on May 19th then the draw will be held sometime around the end of August or September if they have to manually check.... None of this is making any sense at all. I thought in the past that if you didn't choose a hunt then you automatically get a ghost point?My guess is they are going to run the draw like they have for the last several decades, and if an issue comes up they will address it and move on. I advise those most upset by this recent draw to not check online results, but wait for a special permit card in the mail.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 17, 2017, 04:29:11 PM
So what exactly is the WDFW doing to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that everyone is properly submitted for the main draw in June? There's what, 40 times as many people in that draw and each person has multiple categories to put in for? So probably 400 times as many hunt choices for them to double check? Instead of 4000 apps they'll have to check over 1 million is what I'm saying. And if they check to see if everyone is submitted correctly on May 19th then the draw will be held sometime around the end of August or September if they have to manually check.... None of this is making any sense at all. I thought in the past that if you didn't choose a hunt then you automatically get a ghost point?They are very aware of what needs to be done and how important it is to get it right.
Post by: bobcat on March 17, 2017, 04:53:44 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 04:58:48 PM
So we should just ignore the new fancy computer systems and tens of thousands of dollars (or more) of IT expenditures that likely translated into higher license/tag fees...Just "wait for the paper" haha...In that case, they can kick all that computer crap to the curb and lower all licensing fees across the board in my humble opinion!So what exactly is the WDFW doing to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that everyone is properly submitted for the main draw in June? There's what, 40 times as many people in that draw and each person has multiple categories to put in for? So probably 400 times as many hunt choices for them to double check? Instead of 4000 apps they'll have to check over 1 million is what I'm saying. And if they check to see if everyone is submitted correctly on May 19th then the draw will be held sometime around the end of August or September if they have to manually check.... None of this is making any sense at all. I thought in the past that if you didn't choose a hunt then you automatically get a ghost point?My guess is they are going to run the draw like they have for the last several decades, and if an issue comes up they will address it and move on. I advise those most upset by this recent draw to not check online results, but wait for a special permit card in the mail.
Post by: crowinghen on March 17, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
Idahohntr said it once but I'll say it again. If you're going to become so upset as if the world is ending, when you see draw results before it's official, just simply don't look until you get notice by email that the drawing is complete and results have been posted, or wait for your permit in the mail.
So if we didn't get an e-mail does that mean that we're not selected? It still says selected on both our tags, but no e-mail. :dunno:
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 17, 2017, 05:04:03 PM
Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.
PS - You just don't post results on everyone's accounts until it's already official. If WDFW doesn't have that worked out by now, than the whole system needs to go back to the drawing board, simple as that.
What's simple is your understanding of how the computer system works. I agree that we shouldn't see anything until it's official but just because points and results ping around doesn't mean they are redrawing.
Post by: Woodchuck on March 17, 2017, 05:05:00 PM
They did, this is a brand new system this year. I am frankly surprised that they pulled it off as smoothly as they did. However with no state generated document for your permit, you really have nothing. :twocents:Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.
PS - You just don't post results on everyone's accounts until it's already official. If WDFW doesn't have that worked out by now, than the whole system needs to go back to the drawing board, simple as that.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 05:05:58 PM
Idahohntr said it once but I'll say it again. If you're going to become so upset as if the world is ending, when you see draw results before it's official, just simply don't look until you get notice by email that the drawing is complete and results have been posted, or wait for your permit in the mail.
Then they need to do away with the new "go fish/hunt" system...it is a "real-time" system, results are posted on hunters accounts in real-time...no way around it, needs to be right the first time or scrub it!
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 17, 2017, 05:09:51 PM
Idahohntr said it once but I'll say it again. If you're going to become so upset as if the world is ending, when you see draw results before it's official, just simply don't look until you get notice by email that the drawing is complete and results have been posted, or wait for your permit in the mail.
Then they need to do away with the new "go fish/hunt" system...it is a "real-time" system, results are posted on hunters accounts in real-time...no way around it, needs to be right the first time or scrub it!
It was right the first time
Post by: hunter399 on March 17, 2017, 05:14:35 PM
It means you should check it like 10,000 hundred times a day maybe it will change :dunno: :chuckle:Sorry man, that's not how it works. No draw results are official until they are declared official by the WDFW. They were not declared official until later in the day. We don't know if it was a re draw or a system test or what. Don't depend on what you see or hear until you receive confirmation for the Dept. is the bottom line.
PS - You just don't post results on everyone's accounts until it's already official. If WDFW doesn't have that worked out by now, than the whole system needs to go back to the drawing board, simple as that.
What's simple is your understanding of how the computer system works. I agree that we shouldn't see anything until it's official but just because points and results ping around doesn't mean they are redrawing.
Post by: JWEBB on March 17, 2017, 05:17:19 PM
Idahohntr said it once but I'll say it again. If you're going to become so upset as if the world is ending, when you see draw results before it's official, just simply don't look until you get notice by email that the drawing is complete and results have been posted, or wait for your permit in the mail.
Then they need to do away with the new "go fish/hunt" system...it is a "real-time" system, results are posted on hunters accounts in real-time...no way around it, needs to be right the first time or scrub it!
It was right the first time
You are not understanding. I talked to fish and game today and they confirmed it was indeed a redraw. They drew, than pulled draw, and than drew again.
Post by: hunter399 on March 17, 2017, 05:19:36 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 17, 2017, 05:21:48 PM
Post by: hunter399 on March 17, 2017, 05:22:53 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 17, 2017, 05:24:44 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 17, 2017, 05:26:50 PM
There is a disconnect here, I'll say good night on this one :chuckle::yeah:
Post by: trophyhunt on March 17, 2017, 05:29:22 PM
Man I didn't check mine till I got an email saying they posted. No stress, no wasted time. New layout is great and very easy to navigate. Two :tup: :chuckle::chuckle:
Post by: JWEBB on March 17, 2017, 05:32:45 PM
They way I look at it,or kinda like a raffle,lottery,scrach ticket, If you win that's great,if you don't , then don't be a sore looser.
This doesn't make any sense. Your comparing apples to oranges.
Post by: bobcat on March 17, 2017, 05:33:15 PM
Idahohntr said it once but I'll say it again. If you're going to become so upset as if the world is ending, when you see draw results before it's official, just simply don't look until you get notice by email that the drawing is complete and results have been posted, or wait for your permit in the mail.
So if we didn't get an e-mail does that mean that we're not selected? It still says selected on both our tags, but no e-mail. :dunno:
They send out an email when the drawing results have been posted, but I believe only to those that request email notification when you submit your application.
Post by: Bob33 on March 17, 2017, 05:34:58 PM
Emails are sent to those who request one when applying.Idahohntr said it once but I'll say it again. If you're going to become so upset as if the world is ending, when you see draw results before it's official, just simply don't look until you get notice by email that the drawing is complete and results have been posted, or wait for your permit in the mail.
So if we didn't get an e-mail does that mean that we're not selected? It still says selected on both our tags, but no e-mail. :dunno:
They send out an email when the drawing results have been posted, but I believe only to those that request email notification when you submit your application.
Post by: trophyhunt on March 17, 2017, 05:35:45 PM
:yeah: I always deny the email notification, I just watch Huntwa to know when it's posted.Idahohntr said it once but I'll say it again. If you're going to become so upset as if the world is ending, when you see draw results before it's official, just simply don't look until you get notice by email that the drawing is complete and results have been posted, or wait for your permit in the mail.
So if we didn't get an e-mail does that mean that we're not selected? It still says selected on both our tags, but no e-mail. :dunno:
They send out an email when the drawing results have been posted, but I believe only to those that request email notification when you submit your application.
Post by: idahohuntr on March 17, 2017, 05:37:10 PM
No, 99.999% of us will continue to use the online checks to find out as quickly as we can - recognizing that results aren't official until they say so...usually within hours of selected/not-selected appearing on our accounts. For those of you so traumatized by this event - you guys wait several weeks longer until your permit card comes in the mail to confirm you were drawn. Problem Solved. :tup:So we should just ignore the new fancy computer systems and likely tens of thousands of dollars (or more) of IT expenditures that likely translated into higher license/tag fees...Just "wait for the paper" haha...In that case, they can kick all that computer crap to the curb and lower all licensing fees across the board in my humble opinion!So what exactly is the WDFW doing to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that everyone is properly submitted for the main draw in June? There's what, 40 times as many people in that draw and each person has multiple categories to put in for? So probably 400 times as many hunt choices for them to double check? Instead of 4000 apps they'll have to check over 1 million is what I'm saying. And if they check to see if everyone is submitted correctly on May 19th then the draw will be held sometime around the end of August or September if they have to manually check.... None of this is making any sense at all. I thought in the past that if you didn't choose a hunt then you automatically get a ghost point?My guess is they are going to run the draw like they have for the last several decades, and if an issue comes up they will address it and move on. I advise those most upset by this recent draw to not check online results, but wait for a special permit card in the mail.
Post by: hunter399 on March 17, 2017, 06:12:56 PM
They way I look at it,or kinda like a raffle,lottery,scrach ticket, If you win that's great,if you don't , then don't be a sore looser.
This doesn't make any sense. Your comparing apples to oranges.
I will try to make some sense,goodluck hunting to those of you that got a permit,better luck next year for those that lost.
If this doesn't make sense, then I give up trying.
Post by: TriggerMike on March 17, 2017, 06:26:07 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 06:56:08 PM
Some people on here seem to think that because someone is upset that the new system is already a total failure that they're only upset because they didn't draw? Had I drawn I would be ecstatic to have the tag but I'd still be mad and more than worried about the new draw system. A special permit redraw and having hundreds of thousands of their customers personal information hacked and stolen all in one year. Keep up the great work WDFW, your effort is really appreciated :tup: lol.
I agree - many just don't seem to get it. It's way beyond sour grapes over who got permits and who didn't. It's how fish & wildlife has handled and continues to handle this situation that should bother everyone. We pay these people's salaries; we deserve to get the job done right, the FIRST time.
Post by: Bob33 on March 17, 2017, 06:57:46 PM
Some people on here seem to think that because someone is upset that the new system is already a total failure that they're only upset because they didn't draw? Had I drawn I would be ecstatic to have the tag but I'd still be mad and more than worried about the new draw system. A special permit redraw and having hundreds of thousands of their customers personal information hacked and stolen all in one year. Keep up the great work WDFW, your effort is really appreciated :tup: lol.What did the system do wrong that resulted in a "redraw"?
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 07:17:29 PM
1. Spring bear drawing occurs 3/16/2017
2. Results are finalized and sent out to everyone's "WDFW WILD system" accounts in "real-time." Several individuals discover that they were selected for permits.
3. WDFW Information Technology personnel realize that 4 (yes FOUR) individuals were left out of the drawing because they did not submit their applications properly.
4. The four individuals are contacted and 2 (TWO) of them want a chance to hunt spring bear even though they filled out their applications incorrectly.
5. It is then decided that, because of these 2 individuals, that an entire re-draw will be performed of the other approx. 7,000 applicants to be in all "fairness" to these two guys (who, again, did not fill out their applications correctly).
6. The re-draw is performed, and the individuals that were originally selected discover that they have been STRIPPED of their "Selected" status.
7. WDFW maintains complete radio silence until the truth finally comes out via the actions of several citizens.
8. WDFW falls back on the "fairness" logic again as their reasoning for revoking the original applicants "selected" status in favor of the re-draw for the 2 (TWO) guys (who, again, did not fill out their applications correctly)
If you can find any "fairness" in this, then please help me, my tinfoil hat is getting tighter... :tung: :chuckle:
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 07:31:13 PM
No, 99.999% of us will continue to use the online checks to find out as quickly as we can - recognizing that results aren't official until they say so...usually within hours of selected/not-selected appearing on our accounts. For those of you so traumatized by this event - you guys wait several weeks longer until your permit card comes in the mail to confirm you were drawn. Problem Solved. :tup:So we should just ignore the new fancy computer systems and likely tens of thousands of dollars (or more) of IT expenditures that likely translated into higher license/tag fees...Just "wait for the paper" haha...In that case, they can kick all that computer crap to the curb and lower all licensing fees across the board in my humble opinion!So what exactly is the WDFW doing to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that everyone is properly submitted for the main draw in June? There's what, 40 times as many people in that draw and each person has multiple categories to put in for? So probably 400 times as many hunt choices for them to double check? Instead of 4000 apps they'll have to check over 1 million is what I'm saying. And if they check to see if everyone is submitted correctly on May 19th then the draw will be held sometime around the end of August or September if they have to manually check.... None of this is making any sense at all. I thought in the past that if you didn't choose a hunt then you automatically get a ghost point?My guess is they are going to run the draw like they have for the last several decades, and if an issue comes up they will address it and move on. I advise those most upset by this recent draw to not check online results, but wait for a special permit card in the mail.
Don't even tell me Mr Idaho that you wouldn't be a little peeved if your big bull tag got pulled because of a "fairness redraw" over two idiots that didn't even fill out their apps correctly! "Oh....errr derrr dope! My bad the results weren't official yet...stupid me for looking at the computer - all my fault." You must be a God-given saint sent from heaven above! ROFLMAO! :chuckle::chuckle:
Post by: hunter399 on March 17, 2017, 07:43:44 PM
Post by: Skillet on March 17, 2017, 07:43:59 PM
No draw is official until the WDFW says it is, no matter how compulsive a person's behavior is in checking their account. Word of advice ibn the future - RELAX.
I applaud WDFW rarely, but they get my respect for making sure this was done fairly. Hoping in the future they don't link real-time activity to the website. Several good suggestions on here already for dealing with that.
Thanks to trophyhunt as well for taking his time to go there and witness, and helping us understand the actual circumstances of the draw.
Post by: idahohuntr on March 17, 2017, 07:49:07 PM
As I stated earlier, IF the draw was re-done because applicants made an error, and it was entirely their fault...it should not have been "re-drawn". However, we often see changes/ updates, point total changes etc. happening just before results are posted; so while I don't support catering to applicant errors - I also don't have too much sympathy for those who had an erroneous "selected" for a few minutes or however long before results were official. Sucks to get your hopes up, but I think some are a little over the top with how big of a deal this really is. Pretty minor stuff.No, 99.999% of us will continue to use the online checks to find out as quickly as we can - recognizing that results aren't official until they say so...usually within hours of selected/not-selected appearing on our accounts. For those of you so traumatized by this event - you guys wait several weeks longer until your permit card comes in the mail to confirm you were drawn. Problem Solved. :tup:So we should just ignore the new fancy computer systems and likely tens of thousands of dollars (or more) of IT expenditures that likely translated into higher license/tag fees...Just "wait for the paper" haha...In that case, they can kick all that computer crap to the curb and lower all licensing fees across the board in my humble opinion!So what exactly is the WDFW doing to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that everyone is properly submitted for the main draw in June? There's what, 40 times as many people in that draw and each person has multiple categories to put in for? So probably 400 times as many hunt choices for them to double check? Instead of 4000 apps they'll have to check over 1 million is what I'm saying. And if they check to see if everyone is submitted correctly on May 19th then the draw will be held sometime around the end of August or September if they have to manually check.... None of this is making any sense at all. I thought in the past that if you didn't choose a hunt then you automatically get a ghost point?My guess is they are going to run the draw like they have for the last several decades, and if an issue comes up they will address it and move on. I advise those most upset by this recent draw to not check online results, but wait for a special permit card in the mail.
Don't even tell me Mr Idaho that you wouldn't be a little peeved if your big bull tag got pulled because of a "fairness redraw" over two idiots that didn't even fill out their apps correctly! "Oh....errr derrr dope! My bad the results weren't finalized...stupid me for looking at the computer - all my fault. You must be a God-given saint sent from heaven above! ROFLMAO! :chuckle::chuckle:
Maybe I'm callous to the whole thing because I can hunt bear any spring I want to and its not a big deal to me. I'm sure I would be let down if I saw a selected next to a quality elk tag and found out minutes later there was a problem and re-draw.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 07:53:04 PM
From a strictly analytical perspective, the first "draw" was invalid anyway. The odds were inflated, even if ever so slightly, by the omission of the two hunters. We don't know if they were first-time applicants or max point holders, so the impact is unknown. But it is indisputable that the impact to the first run was there, so I think the decision to re-run the draw is totally legit.
No draw is official until the WDFW says it is, no matter how compulsive a person's behavior is in checking their account. Word of advice ibn the future - RELAX.
I applaud WDFW rarely, but they get my respect for making sure this was done fairly. Hoping in the future they don't link real-time activity to the website. Several good suggestions on here already for dealing with that.
Thanks to trophyhunt as well for taking his time to go there and witness, and helping us understand the actual circumstances of the draw.
Are you kidding? Any other government agency that I've interacted with: You don't fill out the forms correctly = REJECTED! Don't pass go, don't collect $200, and you could be fined to boot depending on the agency! These individuals were rejects plain and simple to anyone who has eyes to see, except for the "100 percent fairness" doe eyes of WDFW, for what reason I cannot fathom in my space cadet head! :yike:
Post by: Skillet on March 17, 2017, 07:59:25 PM
Post by: emac on March 17, 2017, 08:03:33 PM
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Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 08:09:50 PM
I am not kidding.OK then...When I put that extra zero on my tax return by accident...you totally will have my back in court, right? It was an honest mistake your honor. Skillet agrees with me! Let's be "fair" about this...
Post by: Skillet on March 17, 2017, 08:15:30 PM
I am not kidding.OK then...When I put that extra zero on my tax return by accident...you totally will have my back in court, right? It was an honest mistake your honor. Skillet agrees with me! Let's be "fair" about this...
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Post by: Bob33 on March 17, 2017, 08:25:14 PM
2. Results are finalized and sent out to everyone's "WDFW WILD system" accounts in "real-time." Several individuals discover that they were selected for permits.Why are you concluding these results were "finalized"? From reports I read, multiple results were being displayed for applicants throughout the day as the system was being tested. Some saw their point totals change up to ten times.
Post by: WA1232 on March 17, 2017, 08:33:21 PM
Calvin in clearly a troll. Quit feeding the troll.
Post by: bobcat on March 17, 2017, 08:50:11 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 09:04:14 PM
I'm saying that if I don't take care of my own paperwork correctly (my incorrectly filled out tax form is an analogy to the 2 applicants that did not fill out their apps properly) I wouldn't expect any special treatment from the government nor should I get any. You screw up, you face the consequences. These guys deserve a ghost point and no further consideration, plain and simple. You don't place your bet right you leave the table.I am not kidding.OK then...When I put that extra zero on my tax return by accident...you totally will have my back in court, right? It was an honest mistake your honor. Skillet agrees with me! Let's be "fair" about this...
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 09:11:56 PM
Calvin in clearly a troll. Quit feeding the troll.
Show me one comment that I have made that didn't have sound logic to it (unless your philosophy is of a socialist bent). Through the multiple putdowns and "tinfoil hat" insults I've recieved, I've managed to maintain my composure and state the facts. I will admit some sarcastic replies, but only directed toward put-downs from the real "trolls" and people making generally meaningless comments...
Post by: h20hunter on March 17, 2017, 09:13:49 PM
Post by: Skillet on March 17, 2017, 09:21:47 PM
I'm saying that if I don't take care of my own paperwork correctly (my incorrectly filled out tax form is an analogy to the 2 applicants that did not fill out their apps properly) I wouldn't expect any special treatment from the government nor should I get any. You screw up, you face the consequences. These guys deserve a ghost point and no further consideration, plain and simple. You don't place your bet right you leave the table.I am not kidding.OK then...When I put that extra zero on my tax return by accident...you totally will have my back in court, right? It was an honest mistake your honor. Skillet agrees with me! Let's be "fair" about this...
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Thanks for clarifying. In principle, I agree with you. However, in this case, I think the WDFW made the right call given the circumstances, for the reasons I've stated. I condemn WDFW when it's appropriate, and give them credit when it is as well.
It is unfortunate that people got their hopes up before the draw was declared official. I am hoping they take the lessons learned (both WDFW and those whose hopes were dashed) and apply them before the major draws in a few months.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 09:32:06 PM
2. Results are finalized and sent out to everyone's "WDFW WILD system" accounts in "real-time." Several individuals discover that they were selected for permits.Why are you concluding these results were "finalized"? From reports I read, multiple results were being displayed for applicants throughout the day as the system was being tested. Some saw their point totals change up to ten times.
Via several reliable sources who contacted WDFW directly. Whether the results were finalized or not is beside the point that I as well as several others, are trying to make. The new "WDFW WILD" system is a "real time" system just like eBay or Amazon or any other modern website. This isn't 1985 dial up Internet, 15 minutes for a page to load...We pay good money for these guys to get things right. They have chosen to go this route. No American consumer in their right mind would put up with getting results revoked, flipped around upwards and downwards like this. Can you imagine your online bank account numbers/values flipping around before your very eyes like this, and then the bank tells you to wait until they decide what your "finalized" balance is? The whole thing is unacceptable, results need to be final the second they're posted or not at all.
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 17, 2017, 09:35:52 PM
2. Results are finalized and sent out to everyone's "WDFW WILD system" accounts in "real-time." Several individuals discover that they were selected for permits.Why are you concluding these results were "finalized"? From reports I read, multiple results were being displayed for applicants throughout the day as the system was being tested. Some saw their point totals change up to ten times.
Via several reliable sources who contacted WDFW directly. Whether the results were finalized or not is beside the point that I as well as several others, are trying to make. The new "WDFW WILD" system is a "real time" system just like eBay or Amazon or any other modern website. This isn't 1985 dial up Internet, 15 minutes for a page to load...We pay good money for these guys to get things right. They have chosen to go this route. No American consumer in their right mind would put up with getting results revoked, flipped around upwards and downwards like this. Can you imaging your online bank account numbers/values flipping around like this, and the bank tells you to wait until what we decide what your "finalized" balance is? The whole thing is unacceptable, results need to be final the second they're posted or not at all.
Dude we hear what you're saying, you don't have to type it six ways from Sunday.
Try to find another way to say it and we'll still not agree with you
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 17, 2017, 09:40:28 PM
Old news. But like I said checking obsessively is gonna hurt you in a case like this.
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
What is there to disagree with?2. Results are finalized and sent out to everyone's "WDFW WILD system" accounts in "real-time." Several individuals discover that they were selected for permits.Why are you concluding these results were "finalized"? From reports I read, multiple results were being displayed for applicants throughout the day as the system was being tested. Some saw their point totals change up to ten times.
Via several reliable sources who contacted WDFW directly. Whether the results were finalized or not is beside the point that I as well as several others, are trying to make. The new "WDFW WILD" system is a "real time" system just like eBay or Amazon or any other modern website. This isn't 1985 dial up Internet, 15 minutes for a page to load...We pay good money for these guys to get things right. They have chosen to go this route. No American consumer in their right mind would put up with getting results revoked, flipped around upwards and downwards like this. Can you imaging your online bank account numbers/values flipping around like this, and the bank tells you to wait until what we decide what your "finalized" balance is? The whole thing is unacceptable, results need to be final the second they're posted or not at all.
Dude we hear what you're saying, you don't have to type it six ways from Sunday.
Try to find another way to say it and we'll still not agree with you
So you're calling yourself out as a troll then? What would you do, Jonathan, to fix this? And don't feed me the "wait until it's official" ill- logic, because, in that case, there shouldn't be a computer system that posts results prematurely for the public to see...just makes no sense. Simple as that
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 17, 2017, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 09:59:59 PM
I'm saying that if I don't take care of my own paperwork correctly (my incorrectly filled out tax form is an analogy to the 2 applicants that did not fill out their apps properly) I wouldn't expect any special treatment from the government nor should I get any. You screw up, you face the consequences. These guys deserve a ghost point and no further consideration, plain and simple. You don't place your bet right you leave the table.I am not kidding.OK then...When I put that extra zero on my tax return by accident...you totally will have my back in court, right? It was an honest mistake your honor. Skillet agrees with me! Let's be "fair" about this...
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Thanks for clarifying. In principle, I agree with you. However, in this case, I think the WDFW made the right call given the circumstances, for the reasons I've stated. I condemn WDFW when it's appropriate, and give them credit when it is as well.
It is unfortunate that people got their hopes up before the draw was declared official. I am hoping they take the lessons learned (both WDFW and those whose hopes were dashed) and apply them before the major draws in a few months.
Guess I can't argue with that, Skillet! :)
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 17, 2017, 10:04:07 PM
Fix what?
Get some sleep, man! Sorry to bother you. I should have read your auto-quote about "clouding the issue with too many facts!" :tup: :IBCOOL:
Post by: TriggerMike on March 18, 2017, 12:56:20 AM
I'm not sure why you put the word Redraw in parenthesis. Maybe insinuating that it was something other than that? WDFW said it was a Redraw cause they flubbed up and they already owned up to that, so that's exactly what it was. And what did the system do wrong? The system allowed prospective applicants to be able to submit their application without choosing a hunt choice or ghost point option with the result being that they would be left out of the draw. That should've been red flagged in the coding of the system from day one and if it wasn't red flagged then it should've been an obvious thing for quality managers to look for and identify before adopting the system. The applicants should not have been able to continue to the next page during their application submittal until some sort of choice was made. A simple message in red letters saying "You can not continue to the next page until you either choose a GMU or the ghost point option" should have been a requirement in the system from the first day the crappy code was written. The state has been doing the drawing for years and if they adopted a new system this year then this issue should've been one of the first of many things on their checklist that they verified before paying, what I'm going to assume was bottom dollar, for the system that they've now adopted. I don't care if anyone drew a tag or not, I care that my money is going toward such an incredibly incompetent government agency. And ya sure, if I don't like it then I should stop buying tags and permits but the problem with that is my love for hunting greatly outweighs my annoyance for what has happened in this last year. That's why I come onto these types of threads, to get it all out lol. After all, it is the Internet.Some people on here seem to think that because someone is upset that the new system is already a total failure that they're only upset because they didn't draw? Had I drawn I would be ecstatic to have the tag but I'd still be mad and more than worried about the new draw system. A special permit redraw and having hundreds of thousands of their customers personal information hacked and stolen all in one year. Keep up the great work WDFW, your effort is really appreciated :tup: lol.What did the system do wrong that resulted in a "redraw"?
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Post by: TriggerMike on March 18, 2017, 01:02:56 AM
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Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 18, 2017, 06:51:08 AM
Post by: JWEBB on March 18, 2017, 09:57:49 AM
I'm not sure why you put the word Redraw in parenthesis. Maybe insinuating that it was something other than that? WDFW said it was a Redraw cause they flubbed up and they already owned up to that, so that's exactly what it was. And what did the system do wrong? The system allowed prospective applicants to be able to submit their application without choosing a hunt choice or ghost point option with the result being that they would be left out of the draw. That should've been red flagged in the coding of the system from day one and if it wasn't red flagged then it should've been an obvious thing for quality managers to look for and identify before adopting the system. The applicants should not have been able to continue to the next page during their application submittal until some sort of choice was made. A simple message in red letters saying "You can not continue to the next page until you either choose a GMU or the ghost point option" should have been a requirement in the system from the first day the crappy code was written. The state has been doing the drawing for years and if they adopted a new system this year then this issue should've been one of the first of many things on their checklist that they verified before paying, what I'm going to assume was bottom dollar, for the system that they've now adopted. I don't care if anyone drew a tag or not, I care that my money is going toward such an incredibly incompetent government agency. And ya sure, if I don't like it then I should stop buying tags and permits but the problem with that is my love for hunting greatly outweighs my annoyance for what has happened in this last year. That's why I come onto these types of threads, to get it all out lol. After all, it is the Internet.Some people on here seem to think that because someone is upset that the new system is already a total failure that they're only upset because they didn't draw? Had I drawn I would be ecstatic to have the tag but I'd still be mad and more than worried about the new draw system. A special permit redraw and having hundreds of thousands of their customers personal information hacked and stolen all in one year. Keep up the great work WDFW, your effort is really appreciated :tup: lol.What did the system do wrong that resulted in a "redraw"?
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:tup: couldn't have said it better Mike!
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 18, 2017, 11:16:34 AM
Oh trust them they got this... they've always cared about actual conservation........You know it! :chuckle: