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Title: Mule deer season
Post by: blackdog on March 10, 2017, 08:31:14 PM
Would you support mule deer modern rifle season opening a week later than usual?
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: SWHUNTER on March 10, 2017, 08:35:22 PM
No. Why?
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: WAcoueshunter on March 10, 2017, 08:38:58 PM
No.  Can't see a scenario where that's a good idea. 
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: mburrows on March 10, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
Negative
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: crabcreekhunter on March 10, 2017, 10:31:58 PM
Nope.  No way.  Bad idea.
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: Bigshooter on March 10, 2017, 11:42:25 PM
Yes.  It use to run into mid November or maybe later up until the mid 90's and then they shortened it because of a couple bad winter kills.  I don't think running it to the end of October is going to hurt anything.
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: bearpaw on March 10, 2017, 11:50:25 PM
Would you support mule deer modern rifle season opening a week later than usual?

Does that mean opening a week later and closing a week later for the same length season, or opening a week later and closing the same time for a shorter season?
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: jdb on March 11, 2017, 05:48:21 AM
I would support them closing mule deer hunting in all 300 series gmu's
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: blackdog on March 11, 2017, 07:34:30 AM
Same length season, just a week later.
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: bobcat on March 11, 2017, 07:49:00 AM
I would support them closing mule deer hunting in all 300 series gmu's

  :yeah:
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: cbond3318 on March 11, 2017, 08:05:55 AM
I would support them closing mule deer hunting in all 300 series gmu's

  :yeah:

I assume you would exclude 381, 379 and 373 from this closure?
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: WAcoueshunter on March 11, 2017, 08:23:07 AM
Yes.  It use to run into mid November or maybe later up until the mid 90's and then they shortened it because of a couple bad winter kills.  I don't think running it to the end of October is going to hurt anything.

Yeah, I disagree.  End of October flirts with the migration and rut.  2015 was an early migration/rut and it was a slaughter with a season that ended on 10/26, just once.  Would be just that much worse with a 10/31 end date every year.  There's a reason the Quality tags start on 11/1.  Maybe wouldn't make a big difference in those units that don't have a migration.
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: WARHORSE on March 11, 2017, 08:50:52 AM
Not a chance!!! The herd is still hurting from the last later season!
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: The scout on March 11, 2017, 09:49:13 AM
I defanitely think something needs to change, but I wouldn't think it would be fair if only we would change our seasons. The natives would have to change as well, wich imop will never happen. It would end up exactly like the salmon runs in the local rivers, sportsman get there season's cut back year after year yet salmon numbers keep declining. Weird
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: csaaphill on March 13, 2017, 03:10:12 AM
Yes.  It use to run into mid November or maybe later up until the mid 90's and then they shortened it because of a couple bad winter kills.  I don't think running it to the end of October is going to hurt anything.
:yeah:
but depending though. I do kind of remember deer season being longer into almost NOV then elk starting in Nov instead of late Oct. so yeah maybe.
I think it started about where it does now around the 9th or so then running into about the 26th or so. Elk would start about the 7th and go into the end of close to end of NOV so again yeah maybe.
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 13, 2017, 05:03:07 AM
It was just changed later during the last evaluation process for the current time frame. Why would anyone want to decimate the herd when it is in trouble as it is. Some of them need to be closed as it is
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: grundy53 on March 13, 2017, 05:03:19 AM
No, it would be a slaughter. Our herds can't take that.

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Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: fishngamereaper on March 13, 2017, 07:09:59 AM
No, it would be a slaughter. Our herds can't take that.

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 :yeah:
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: Igor on March 13, 2017, 07:56:07 AM
Are there any reliable statistics on numbers of deer hunters on the East side now vs. say 35 years ago?  Deer season used to be 5-6 weeks long, or so, and run until Nov 12-13 on the East side.  Are the problems we are experiencing with low numbers of mule deer due to increased pressure by virtue of more hunters, or something else?
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: grundy53 on March 13, 2017, 08:01:12 AM
Are there any reliable statistics on numbers of deer hunters on the East side now vs. say 35 years ago?  Deer season used to be 5-6 weeks long, or so, and run until Nov 12-13 on the East side.  Are the problems we are experiencing with low numbers of mule deer due to increased pressure by virtue of more hunters, or something else?
Loss of habit, lack of predator control, too many doe tags, fires burning up winter range.

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Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 13, 2017, 08:33:22 AM
I've read on here before where if someone hunts muleys and doesn't get one then they head back west for blacktail for the last week.  So, if that is the case I could say maybe if the blacktail get a break.  (But I doubt the blacktail need a break like the muleys--or so I've read on here.)  The hunters could still hunt blacktail in the first week and probably only plan to shoot a big one since muley season is the next week.
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: Gringo31 on March 13, 2017, 10:25:20 AM
This suggestion would only increase harvest rates for the first year or two.  After that, it would go down the drain......as well as quality.   :twocents:
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: bearpaw on March 13, 2017, 11:03:12 AM
The big issue I see with being a week later is that the deer begin to rut and depending on weather may be migrating. After this hard winter and other recent issues negatively impacting the deer herds, I would think herds probably need a chance to rebuild numbers. I would think that currently we would be better off reducing harvest for a year or two rather than potentially increasing harvest with a later season. When herds build back up that would be a good time to increase opportunity until the herds take another hard hit and then if might be a good idea to reduce harvest again so they can rebuild numbers.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 13, 2017, 11:10:17 AM
The big issue I see with being a week later is that the deer begin to rut and depending on weather may be migrating. After this hard winter and other recent issues negatively impacting the deer herds, I would think herds probably need a chance to rebuild numbers. I would think that currently we would be better off reducing harvest for a year or two rather than potentially increasing harvest with a later season. When herds build back up that would be a good time to increase opportunity until the herds take another hard hit and then if might be a good idea to reduce harvest again so they can rebuild numbers.   :dunno:

Dale, it sounds like you're calling for effective wildlife management.  In Washington.

Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: Ironhead on March 13, 2017, 11:16:41 AM
Are there any reliable statistics on numbers of deer hunters on the East side now vs. say 35 years ago?  Deer season used to be 5-6 weeks long, or so, and run until Nov 12-13 on the East side.  Are the problems we are experiencing with low numbers of mule deer due to increased pressure by virtue of more hunters, or something else?
We also have rifles and scopes capable of shooting 1000 yards plus, range finders, excellent optics, your avg. hunter is more hardcore, bows are shooting well over 300 fps, more accurate muzzleloaders. Over all, hunters are a lot  more technologically advanced than we were 35 years ago. 
Title: Re: Mule deer season
Post by: Larry S. on March 19, 2017, 08:55:55 AM
No. See other similar comments. I watched what happened in 2015. I'd rather the season always be about "hunting" than "shooting." Do not lengthen or move the dates.

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