Post by: dreamingbig on April 07, 2017, 10:14:44 AM
My proposal give archery branch antlered permit holders an extra 5 days just like they do for modern firearm.
Thoughts?
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Post by: Mfowl on April 07, 2017, 10:45:48 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on April 07, 2017, 02:53:49 PM
I remain steadfast in my belief that archery is harder even with the month difference in time.
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Post by: Ridgeratt on April 07, 2017, 08:01:36 PM
Why do modern firearm bull permit holders get 14 days afield in most of the eastern draw permits for elk while archery bull permit holders only get 13 days?
My proposal give archery branch antlered permit holders an extra 5 days just like they do for modern firearm.
Thoughts?
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So where would these 5 days come from? What group will sacrifice part of their season.
Post by: Reidus on April 07, 2017, 08:02:39 PM
Post by: Reidus on April 07, 2017, 08:03:11 PM
Why do modern firearm bull permit holders get 14 days afield in most of the eastern draw permits for elk while archery bull permit holders only get 13 days?
My proposal give archery branch antlered permit holders an extra 5 days just like they do for modern firearm.
Thoughts?
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So where would these 5 days come from? What group will sacrifice part of their season.
Open Archery season 5 days earlier?
Post by: chester on April 07, 2017, 08:10:55 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 07, 2017, 08:12:13 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on April 07, 2017, 08:41:57 PM
Yes. For the permit holders. The calendar has the room.Why do modern firearm bull permit holders get 14 days afield in most of the eastern draw permits for elk while archery bull permit holders only get 13 days?
My proposal give archery branch antlered permit holders an extra 5 days just like they do for modern firearm.
Thoughts?
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So where would these 5 days come from? What group will sacrifice part of their season.
Open Archery season 5 days earlier?
Someone how they managed to fit a 5 day rut hunt in at the end of September for modern firearm too.
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Post by: dreamingbig on April 07, 2017, 08:42:55 PM
The modern bull permits may get 14 days but they only get 5 days to hunt before the general season starts and thousands of modern firearm hunters hit the woods.And archery permit hunters get zero days before all the archery hunters and multiseason permit holders hit the woods.
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Post by: kirkl on April 07, 2017, 08:59:08 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on April 07, 2017, 11:42:13 PM
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Post by: NW SURVEYOR on April 09, 2017, 10:11:48 AM
The talk about how you have chosen the "Sharp Stick" method of hunting due to the challenge, then the tears about how everyone else has an advantage due to the Mantle of Difficulty that is associated with Archery hunting. You can't have it both ways, that is how it works, so quit crying and practice shooting, ranging, calling and get in shape. Oh yeah, put your big boy pants on too.
I have often thought about taking up bow hunting but have not due to my work schedule being very hectic in September and October.
If and when I ever do take up archery you can bet that I won't be posting the tearful complaints that I see here.
Being in the field during the rut is a huge break, I realize that it is difficult to get within bow distance, but rifle seasons no picnic either.
Having hunted elk for 43 years, I am not always successful, but that's hunting.
I spent 20 (Very Successful) years catching steelhead on the fly during the summers in SW Washington.
I believe that it was more difficult than using conventional gear, that was my choice and I treasured the victories with no animosity towards the guys using eggs, corkies, spoons etc. During the winter, that was what I used, but summer was for the fly as far as my choice.
In closing, Life's Not Fair, get used to it.
Have a nice day,
Rob.
Post by: snake on April 09, 2017, 07:21:35 PM
Post by: stickslinger on April 09, 2017, 07:27:54 PM
Post by: Mfowl on April 09, 2017, 07:42:05 PM
Post by: 700xcr on April 09, 2017, 08:10:12 PM
I don't feel that he is whining about season dates or even season length but the fact that if you get drawn for a quality bull tag your season opens and closes the same time as General season, and yes archery numbers have increased tremendously which makes hunting a bull not just about you and the elk but now includes all of the retards jogging thru the woods with a bow ( I'm not saying all bow hunters are retarded but there are just a lot more of them out there now days). I don't see any reason that if you were lucky enough to ever draw a quality bull tag that you shouldn't have three days for just the quality tag holders. If it's good enough for the other weapons it should be good enough for all of the weaponsWell I have had peddle mountain bikers with dogs, motorcycles with no orange on ride in between me and a bull I was about to pull the trigger on during modern season too! So it doesn't matter what season your hunting your going to run into the same situation. Public land is public use. Only difference is they have all year to do their sport while we have a window to do ours.
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Post by: Bullmoose on April 10, 2017, 10:37:44 AM
Post by: jrebel on April 10, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
And I have been up and watched Archery hunter they run the Elk with 4 wheelers to get close seen guys on the back of them running along a herd with bows drawen, and shooting so during ML I have seen ELK with arrows in them I understand it happens, But the way they hunt for them is wrong, I have hunted the same spot for 30 years and since they have open it up for cows we don't see the animals and hear that they have been pushed off the mountain, and that is by the Biologist
Simply ridiculous assertions......because you saw one person / group doing something stupid or illegal, you now associate it with all bow hunters and the lack of elk on a mountain. Really??? Not like the elk just vanished because they opened up an area to cow elk, they just changed their habit. You should read the book "Who moved the Cheese" you will be a happier and more successful elk hunter. You need to adapt and change your strategy based on the situation. Maybe even take up bow hunting so you can chase a cow. :tup:
Post by: jrebel on April 10, 2017, 10:45:32 AM
This is the nature of separating user groups and the reason why most states allow you to hunt all seasons with the proper weapon. It's quite possible that WA went the way it did to purposely dilute the voice of the hunter and pander to the majority. We should be able to hunt big game all fall long during each season. It would spread out the hunters more and be a real change for increased opportunity.
Very well put....I 1000% agree!! :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: Mfowl on April 10, 2017, 10:54:56 AM
Your guys replies are funny. I wasn't expecting you to be able to acknowledge the inequity and you delivered. 😎
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The inequity? Really? You guys got your later season dates with better rut timing. You got your lighted nocks and expandable broadheads. You have 2 lenghty seasons to hunt and you can harvest cows on a general tag. The squeaky wheel has been greased, shut up and hunt!
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 10, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
Your guys replies are funny. I wasn't expecting you to be able to acknowledge the inequity and you delivered. 😎
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The inequity? Really? You guys got your later season dates with better rut timing. You got your lighted nocks and expandable broadheads. You have 2 lenghty seasons to hunt and you can harvest cows on a general tag. The squeaky wheel has been greased, shut up and hunt!
This is precisely what I was talking about. They've got us pointing fingers at each other so we don't point our fingers at them. Well played, WDFW, well played. :tup: :tup:
Post by: dreamingbig on April 10, 2017, 12:17:35 PM
🤔 apples to apples it is still 14 to 13 with branch bull permit in hand. I will still be hunting; you don't have to worry about that. I will also be hunting out of state again after I am unsuccessful drawing a bull tag.Your guys replies are funny. I wasn't expecting you to be able to acknowledge the inequity and you delivered. 😎
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The inequity? Really? You guys got your later season dates with better rut timing. You got your lighted nocks and expandable broadheads. You have 2 lenghty seasons to hunt and you can harvest cows on a general tag. The squeaky wheel has been greased, shut up and hunt!
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Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 10, 2017, 01:42:12 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on April 10, 2017, 03:34:05 PM
Post by: Jellymon on April 10, 2017, 03:46:00 PM
I am predominantly a muzzleloader hunter. It was archers who complained during the last season setting process that ML hunters got days to hunt quality tags before the general season and archers did not. So instead of getting your extra days, you got the ML guys extra days before the season taken away. Thanks guys! >:( Beyond that, archery is the fastest growing user group with rapidly advancing technology every year. The "hard way" is getting easier every year. You chose the "hard way." Why do archers feel that they deserve more than other groups? I'll trade you ML season for your archery season any time you like. I own a bow, ML, and rifles. I happily hunt with them all. In fact, I'll be archery elk hunting this season because I am unhappy with the dates that ML gets for this year. A short 6 day season bumping up to opening weekend of modern firearm deer season. No thanks!
The technology is not rapidly advancing. Bows are no faster, no more accurate, and no easier to shoot than 10 yeaars ago. Quality may have gotten better and bows may be a bit quieter, but the technology advancements have been very slow for a long time. Actually Some bows, like Elites, had more letoff and were easier to shoot in 2010. All the latest and greatest now is all marketing. A fiber optic pin now is no differend then a fiber optic pin 10 years ago. Movable sight have been around a long time. Rests, not much different. Pro target shooters still use the old lizard tongue rests and QAD ultrarests are basically the same they were 10 years ago. The only thing thats gotten better is expandable broadheads, and the new ones are still inferior to fixed broadheads IMO. :twocents:
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 10, 2017, 03:58:30 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on April 10, 2017, 06:36:10 PM
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Post by: bobcat on April 10, 2017, 06:51:56 PM
Post by: snake on April 10, 2017, 07:23:40 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 10, 2017, 07:25:11 PM
For those of you that don't bow hunt, keep in mind there is a very good reason every other states archery season is at least 2 times as long as WA (rut or not). We are all on the same team here.
Yep, and the reason is those states have more elk and less people.
Oh, and I do archery hunt, just not every year.
Post by: snake on April 10, 2017, 07:49:01 PM
You don't have to lie to hang out buddy!For those of you that don't bow hunt, keep in mind there is a very good reason every other states archery season is at least 2 times as long as WA (rut or not). We are all on the same team here.
Yep, and the reason is those states have more elk and less people.
Oh, and I do archery hunt, just not every year.
Post by: bobcat on April 10, 2017, 07:53:48 PM
You don't have to lie to hang out buddy!For those of you that don't bow hunt, keep in mind there is a very good reason every other states archery season is at least 2 times as long as WA (rut or not). We are all on the same team here.
Yep, and the reason is those states have more elk and less people.
Oh, and I do archery hunt, just not every year.
:dunno:
Post by: stickslinger on April 10, 2017, 09:06:34 PM
Post by: Mfowl on April 11, 2017, 09:22:22 AM
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Furthermore, I challenge anyone to quote where I said any other weapon types have not had technology advancements.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 11, 2017, 09:51:42 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 11, 2017, 10:31:28 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 11, 2017, 10:42:34 AM
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We all should be able to hunt all seasons.
We can. Just not in the same year.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 11, 2017, 11:09:42 AM
What was the Fred Bear quote about supporting other hunters in how they choose to hunt?
Post by: jrebel on April 11, 2017, 11:52:45 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 11, 2017, 12:09:35 PM
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Post by: bobcat on April 11, 2017, 12:23:53 PM
Post by: jrebel on April 11, 2017, 12:32:18 PM
Seriously? We are failing? How? Because we support regulating ourselves in such a way as to preserve our elk populations in Washington state? Do we really want everyone to have a multiple season elk tag? Supporting such a thing is supporting the team? Really? If so then I guess I don't support the "team" and I never will.
I guess you will have to read the book to understand my statement. If you think hunters as a team (group) are not failing then you have your head in the sand. We lose ground every year to the state and the tree huggers.....We fight internally and have no plan. We are failing.....period.
Post by: Mfowl on April 11, 2017, 12:39:01 PM
Seriously? We are failing? How? Because we support regulating ourselves in such a way as to preserve our elk populations in Washington state? Do we really want everyone to have a multiple season elk tag? Supporting such a thing is supporting the team? Really? If so then I guess I don't support the "team" and I never will.
I agree with this. Just because I am at odds with others on this issue does not mean that I do not or will not support other hunting groups. As I stated previously, I own a bow. I've hunted with it and will continue to in the future. What bothers me is that a user group in a state where things aren't great for everyone, IMO, has the best opportunities yet isn't happy with them. On top of that, wants to complain openly about it and blame the other side for their rebuttals. I am a hunter, just give me a reason, bow, rifle, ML, fun, food or lifestyle. Sign me up.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 11, 2017, 04:13:14 PM
We should all be on the same team and support hunting. Which is why the MF and Muzzleloader guys SHOULD support this change! 😎
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Post by: snake on April 11, 2017, 05:09:25 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 11, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
What I said before- the other states have more elk and less people, and even more importantly much more elk habitat AND public land that is open to hunting. I'll ask this- does California have more or less elk hunting opportunity than us?
Oh yeah they are hurting so bad out east for elk habitat and public land... not enough areas to ride the quad... :dunno: there's plenty of elk and plenty of public land WHERE wdfw didn't let the property owners double dip on tax breaks and charge us for land that had already had access guaranteed. Now, you can hunt a bull on the westside if you pay for access too. Or you can hunt a bull every eight or so years out east... but the spike and cow opportunitys... wdfw bent over for big timber and then put our hunting in the can. Our state need a system identical to idahos. We must not have enough elk... give me a break. More like they can't capitalize monetarily on the elk if they don't sell us wish hunts every year. Or there not smart enough to do math and charge what needs to be charged to generate the same amount of revenue from general tags.
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on April 11, 2017, 05:35:49 PM
I'm habitually late and want the same raise that the punctual guys got.
I gotta say, I have never heard such persistent whining in my life.
Dreaminbig, did you get beat up a lot in school?
Again, life is not fair.
Post by: bobcat on April 11, 2017, 06:14:21 PM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 11, 2017, 07:40:34 PM
Post by: Mfowl on April 11, 2017, 07:49:37 PM
How about if early general archery elk season gets shortened from 13 to 10 days except for bull tag holders who get those 3 days for their quality tags. If you want something that bad make the sacrifice from your own season.
So, advocating for a way to make one user group more successful. Then something has to be given up to maintain allocation. A slice of general season? Other permits? Spike becomes true spike? If not, then just trying to take allocation from other groups.
:yeah:
Post by: Reidus on April 11, 2017, 08:01:38 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on April 11, 2017, 09:06:39 PM
What we're lacking in this state is winter range for elk. It's been converted to farms, orchards, and subdivisions. You can't tell me other western states don't have more and better quality elk habitat, and especially winter range.
This was always the impression I was given as well by bios and people I considered in the know. The problem in Washington isn't out spring summer fall capacities but our ability to sustain a herd through the winter. I don't know all the science behind it but have heard it from multiple people I consider credible.
That being said I think all the seasons have benefits over the others in certain areas and that someone who puts in the time and effort has a reasonable shot at being successful
Post by: dreamingbig on April 11, 2017, 10:19:37 PM
So, advocating for a way to make one user group more successful. Then something has to be given up to maintain allocation. A slice of general season? Other permits? Spike becomes true spike? If not, then just trying to take allocation from other groups.Did you read the whole thread or the original post? This is about the branch antlered bull permits only. Pretty small group overall. Much less than the modern firearm numbers given the allocation formula. It is not additional tags only additional days for the few lucky ones who draw a tag.
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 11, 2017, 10:32:16 PM
Yep. And what do you want the WDFW/bios to do when the harvest success goes up by X% on bulls taken by those permits? Cut back on permit numbers or in the general?So, advocating for a way to make one user group more successful. Then something has to be given up to maintain allocation. A slice of general season? Other permits? Spike becomes true spike? If not, then just trying to take allocation from other groups.Did you read the whole thread or the original post? This is about the branch antlered bull permits only. Pretty small group overall. Much less than the modern firearm numbers given the allocation formula. It is not additional tags only additional days for the few lucky ones who draw a tag.
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Post by: Mfowl on April 11, 2017, 10:49:17 PM
By the way, one of the main reasons the archery season was pushed back was because there was too many animals spoiling. Temps in early september can be into the 90's in some areas. This decision was made from feedback from multiple groups including numerous butcher shops processing wild game. Get your facts straight.
It was actually the WSB who led the charge for season changes, lighted nocks and expandable broadheads. Below is an excerpt from a 2013 issue of WSB magazine. Which is also shortly before the WDFW had their open comment period for the last season setting process.
Our number one goal for next
season is to push the WDFW to hard
set our elk season from September
8-21. My personal goal is to stop
fighting hard to get back seasons
that we lose, and start fighting for
additional seasons and opportunity
for bowhunters. Since I’ve been
a member of the WSB, it seems
we are continually fighting the
WDFW to not take our seasons and
opportunity or trying to get back
lost opportunity. We now need to
focus on getting new opportunity so
our units aren’t as crowded causing
conflict among bow-hunters.
At the recent WDFW
Commission meetings WSB
expressed approval for the lighted
nock. It’s been a long road and
everything that is going to be said
on this issue has been said. At the end of the day,
the vast majority of our membership supported an
exception to the general rule of no electronics on a
bow. We balanced that interest with all of our users
and issued support for the measure. The Commission
voted to approve the use of lighted nocks for the
upcoming season. This has been the most divisive
issue I’ve faced in my time at the WSB. I’m hoping
we can put this issue to rest and continue to focus on
seasons and opportunity.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 11, 2017, 11:04:00 PM
Zero. Impact will be minimal. They didn't take away days or permits from modern when they added the 5 day rut hunts in September.Yep. And what do you want the WDFW/bios to do when the harvest success goes up by X% on bulls taken by those permits? Cut back on permit numbers or in the general?So, advocating for a way to make one user group more successful. Then something has to be given up to maintain allocation. A slice of general season? Other permits? Spike becomes true spike? If not, then just trying to take allocation from other groups.Did you read the whole thread or the original post? This is about the branch antlered bull permits only. Pretty small group overall. Much less than the modern firearm numbers given the allocation formula. It is not additional tags only additional days for the few lucky ones who draw a tag.
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Heck if money is what they want then charge an extra $50 for the archery tag if drawn for the extra 5 days.
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Post by: Mfowl on April 11, 2017, 11:13:35 PM
Zero. Impact will be minimal. They didn't take away days or permits from modern when they added the 5 day rut hunts in September.Yep. And what do you want the WDFW/bios to do when the harvest success goes up by X% on bulls taken by those permits? Cut back on permit numbers or in the general?So, advocating for a way to make one user group more successful. Then something has to be given up to maintain allocation. A slice of general season? Other permits? Spike becomes true spike? If not, then just trying to take allocation from other groups.Did you read the whole thread or the original post? This is about the branch antlered bull permits only. Pretty small group overall. Much less than the modern firearm numbers given the allocation formula. It is not additional tags only additional days for the few lucky ones who draw a tag.
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Heck if money is what they want then charge an extra $50 for the archery tag if drawn for the extra 5 days.
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Let's clarify, which rifle bull hunts are you upset about. September hunts are considered quality hunts and the odds on them are not far below OIL tags. November hunts, with the 14 day season you keep referring to are bull tag hunts. Archery has quality tags and bull tags as well. Some archery bull tags are or atleast were late season tags as in the case of the Teanaway tags. Your quality tags are during the rut just like rifles quality tags.
I would also like to point out that the draw odds for archery tags are far better than rifle tags. A guy is lucky to get more than 1 or 2 chances to hunt Eastside bulls in a lifetime with a rifle. An archery hunter could realistically pull 5x that many in a lifetime. The odds appear to me to be in your favor.
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 12, 2017, 03:11:15 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 12, 2017, 07:35:59 AM
Post by: Mfowl on April 12, 2017, 07:41:13 AM
But how many of the archery tags are filled compared to rifle permits. They give out less rifle permits cause the odds the rifle permits gets filled is substantially greater. Most of the archery permits go un filled .
Are you a hunter? Do you need WDFW to tie a bull to a tree for you? If you just want to fill your tag go to one of those ranches in Texas that are pay to play. You chose the hard way, the caveat is, you might not fill your tag. For a rifle guy, the caveat is, you may not draw a tag. Your not the only user group with challenges to face. I had a ML quality bull tag once, I didn't even see a branch bull or hear a bugle during my entire season. I shot a spike with that tag in my pocket on day 5 and I had several days to hunt prior to the general season. All you get is a chance. You want a guarantee, go hunt a high fence ranch.
Post by: 700xcr on April 12, 2017, 07:59:45 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 12, 2017, 11:59:07 AM
Post by: Mfowl on April 12, 2017, 02:29:18 PM
I never complained about rifle anything... I simply stated we should have the same as Idaho has for elk. Calling names and trying to pin my style against yours make you look pathetic. You are desperate for an argument and I have none. Don't think we need longer permits. Never said we did. Just pointing out how rediculous you sound trying to pick a fight with the other user groups.
My apologies! It was not you specifically I was calling pathetic but more the "handicap"some bowhunters (IMO) seem to feel they deserve for choosing a difficult style of hunting. I provided info to this thread to refute suggestions of inaccuracies and crooked facts and to let others draw their own conclusions. I am not a hunter hater nor do I wish to divide user groups. Please scour my posting history and you will find I am predominantly a positive member of this site not an internet troll looking for a fight.
This concludes my participation in this thread. I hope you draw the tag you are after this season subsequently followed by the hunt of a lifetime! Whichever weapon you choose to hunt with. Peace in the middle East! Make Love not War!
Post by: snake on April 12, 2017, 05:43:28 PM
By the way, one of the main reasons the archery season was pushed back was because there was too many animals spoiling. Temps in early september can be into the 90's in some areas. This decision was made from feedback from multiple groups including numerous butcher shops processing wild game. Get your facts straight.
It was actually the WSB who led the charge for season changes, lighted nocks and expandable broadheads. Below is an excerpt from a 2013 issue of WSB magazine. Which is also shortly before the WDFW had their open comment period for the last season setting process.
Our number one goal for next
season is to push the WDFW to hard
set our elk season from September
8-21. My personal goal is to stop
fighting hard to get back seasons
that we lose, and start fighting for
additional seasons and opportunity
for bowhunters. Since I’ve been
a member of the WSB, it seems
we are continually fighting the
WDFW to not take our seasons and
opportunity or trying to get back
lost opportunity. We now need to
focus on getting new opportunity so
our units aren’t as crowded causing
conflict among bow-hunters.
At the recent WDFW
Commission meetings WSB
expressed approval for the lighted
nock. It’s been a long road and
everything that is going to be said
on this issue has been said. At the end of the day,
the vast majority of our membership supported an
exception to the general rule of no electronics on a
bow. We balanced that interest with all of our users
and issued support for the measure. The Commission
voted to approve the use of lighted nocks for the
upcoming season. This has been the most divisive
issue I’ve faced in my time at the WSB. I’m hoping
we can put this issue to rest and continue to focus on
seasons and opportunity.
[/quote
Thank you for this. :dunno: Still not why they changed the season. 2016 Sept 10th. 2017 9th. 2018 Sept 8, 2019 Sept 7, 2020 Sept 5th. Every year the Saturday gets 1 calendar day sooner. So in a few years they will have to push it back again for the same reason.
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on April 12, 2017, 06:52:00 PM
There is a significantly more amount of daylight available in September than there is I'm November. Over the period of 12 days I would guess that the actual amount of time available to hunt would more than make up for the one day difference that our bowhunting friends are crying about. Of course this would need to be broken down to hours, but time in the field is relative to time in the field. Every day cannot be Opening Day.
I therefore suggest that we finance a detailed study to determine how many days should be taken from the BHers and reassigned to the modem firearm hunters.
In lieu of this I suggest you quit whining and go practice bugling, shooting and get in shape.
I'll bet whoever started this thread wishes they hadn't.
Oh yeah, I just greased my boots, good for me.
Later,
Rob.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 13, 2017, 09:56:27 AM
Sorry to hit a sore spot with you. If was interesting to see how quick folks resorted to name calling and rude comments.
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