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Title: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting? Gun Porn Pg 2
Post by: jrebel on April 21, 2017, 02:20:35 PM: Lets say a guy wants to kill elk sized animals to 600 yards......Is a 6.5 creedmoor enough gun? Said guy is shooting 140 grain accubonds with handloads and is very accurate with his handloads. He doesn't like magnum sized rifles due to recoil, though he knows there are arguable better calibers available for long range hunting. Reality is he will likely never shoot much past 300-400 yards but in the instance he can't get closer, Is 6.5 creedmoor enough gun in your opinion?

I know everyone has personal bias.....as do I....but lets not make this a pissing match and just state your opinion.

Thanks

Jrebel
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Taco280AI on April 21, 2017, 02:23:59 PM: Can it work? Yes

Should you? ........
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Henrydog on April 21, 2017, 02:24:49 PM: My view it is way to light of a bullet. Possible to make a kill shot? Yes. Someone will chime in a stay the Horaspeerdynomax 8000 core bonded blah blah blad would hold up but that is a long ways with a light bullet on a tough animal.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Eric M on April 21, 2017, 02:29:24 PM: Here's an interesting read on the subject-
http://www.chuckhawks.com/6-5mm_270_7mm.htm
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 21, 2017, 02:31:13 PM: My go to numbers on any max range is 1800 fps and 1000lb minimum. Yes I have killed animals with less of course but those are what I try to stick to and I have seen great results. in 16-17 I have killed 9 big game animals with a 6.5 even though mine is a bit of a monster for a 6.5. The 6.5 bullets and BC'S are very impressive and I have grown fond of the 6.5's for long range hunting.

I am sure the creedmoor can do that to 600 yards. So I would have no problem myself using it to that range.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: hunter399 on April 21, 2017, 02:32:27 PM: I'm gonna post this and I'm sure people will go wild and crazy with comments .But ya use it ,make it fun and enjoy.
Here's the link for ya to read ,I looked at it last night good read.

http://shwat.com/300-blackout-ar15-versus-wyoming-bull-elk/
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 21, 2017, 05:22:03 PM: The 6.5 Creedmoor is a exellent cartridge! Well capable of taking a Elk at 600 yards. It's the .260 Remington done right. That's why I have 3 of them, the 140gr Hornady A-Max and 143gr ELD-X are wicked accurate in them.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 21, 2017, 06:08:25 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on April 21, 2017, 05:22:03 PM
The 6.5 Creedmoor is a exellent cartridge! Well capable of taking a Elk at 600 yards. It's the .260 Remington done right. That's why I have 3 of them, the 140gr Hornady A-Max and 143gr ELD-X are wicked accurate in them.

Good to have ya back Landon
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 21, 2017, 06:09:15 PM: Quote from: carpsniperg2 on April 21, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
My go to numbers on any max range is 1800 fps and 1000lb minimum. Yes I have killed animals with less of course but those are what I try to stick to and I have seen great results. in 16-17 I have killed 9 big game animals with a 6.5 even though mine is a bit of a monster for a 6.5. The 6.5 bullets and BC'S are very impressive and I have grown fond of the 6.5's for long range hunting.

I am sure the creedmoor can do that to 600 yards. So I would have no problem myself using it to that range.

Carp you running the stw? Details on loads please. Thanks
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 21, 2017, 06:42:31 PM: Yes sir, I'll send you a pm.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 21, 2017, 07:55:43 PM: Quote from: 257 Wby Mag on April 21, 2017, 06:08:25 PM
Quote from: Biggerhammer on April 21, 2017, 05:22:03 PM
The 6.5 Creedmoor is a exellent cartridge! Well capable of taking a Elk at 600 yards. It's the .260 Remington done right. That's why I have 3 of them, the 140gr Hornady A-Max and 143gr ELD-X are wicked accurate in them.

Good to have ya back Landon

👍👍👍
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Alchase on April 21, 2017, 08:01:43 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on April 21, 2017, 05:22:03 PM
The 6.5 Creedmoor is a exellent cartridge! Well capable of taking a Elk at 600 yards. It's the .260 Remington done right. That's why I have 3 of them, the 140gr Hornady A-Max and 143gr ELD-X are wicked accurate in them.

Welcome home Hammer!
The Guns and Ammo forum missed your knowledge and AR porn!
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Alchase on April 21, 2017, 08:04:51 PM: Quote from: hunter399 on April 21, 2017, 02:32:27 PM
I'm gonna post this and I'm sure people will go wild and crazy with comments .But ya use it ,make it fun and enjoy.
Here's the link for ya to read ,I looked at it last night good read.

http://shwat.com/300-blackout-ar15-versus-wyoming-bull-elk/

From the read, it sounds like he made a good stock to get within range of the caliber he chose.
Would not have been my choice for elk, but you can't argue with the results.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Dan-o on April 21, 2017, 09:01:02 PM: Quote from: Alchase on April 21, 2017, 08:04:51 PM
Quote from: hunter399 on April 21, 2017, 02:32:27 PM
I'm gonna post this and I'm sure people will go wild and crazy with comments .But ya use it ,make it fun and enjoy.
Here's the link for ya to read ,I looked at it last night good read.

http://shwat.com/300-blackout-ar15-versus-wyoming-bull-elk/

From the read, it sounds like he made a good stock to get within range of the caliber he chose.
Would not have been my choice for elk, but you can't argue with the results.

I think he got lucky.

It doesn't sound like he was aiming for the neck.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 21, 2017, 09:06:08 PM: My factory go to cartridge for 30 years has been a chambering I am very fond of, the .300 Win Mag. There are many chamberings under it that are well capable of taking a Elk at distance. I've shot big game from the largest chamberings to what some consider grossly sub par but they are all dead. I like to mix it up, I like to go with my mood and I like to test myself. To each their own!
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 21, 2017, 09:08:49 PM: Quote from: hunter399 on April 21, 2017, 02:32:27 PM
I'm gonna post this and I'm sure people will go wild and crazy with comments .But ya use it ,make it fun and enjoy.
Here's the link for ya to read ,I looked at it last night good read.

http://shwat.com/300-blackout-ar15-versus-wyoming-bull-elk/

I enjoyed it. I wasn't there so I don't have a opinion and anyone else who wasn't there. Their opinion doesn't matter.🙃
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: high country on April 22, 2017, 09:38:40 AM: I've killed more than a dozen elk now with the 6.5's. They work well. ****BUT**** you must respect the fact that it's not a magnum. That arss to tea kettle shot that you can take with your .338 won't work here. You,will pass up shots because of the guns limitations.

With that said, I've had more bang flops with my 6.5's than all of my other guns combined. The 300rum which I've taken a bunch of elk with has not netted me the same results. I suspect it's due to the bullet choices, but it is what it is.

As for range. The gun has it to take a perfect shot to your range and beyond....but you have to do your job and make sure you pilot it correctly.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: jrebel on April 23, 2017, 08:56:24 PM: 6.5 creedmoor it is. Purchased the rifle today...now I just need to scope it and start working a load. Super stoked!!!! :tup:
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: kselkhunter on April 23, 2017, 09:00:01 PM: Congrats on the purchase! The 6.5 Creedmoor is a great round. Hopefully get some good optics to take advantage of the long range ability. Sounds like fun!
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: yorketransport on April 23, 2017, 09:24:14 PM: I've grown fond of the mid sized 6.5s lately. I had a 6.5x47 Lapua sitting for more than a year before I actually shot more than a couple rounds through it, but now It's kind of growing on me. The Lapua was a rifle I built for my daughter to target shoot and possibly hunt with and I wouldn't hesitate to let her take a shot on an elk at 600 yards with it if I were confident she could make a good hit. Of course I'd be standing by with a real gun fix things just in case. :chuckle:
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 23, 2017, 09:43:26 PM: Quote from: high country on April 22, 2017, 09:38:40 AM

With that said, I've had more bang flops with my 6.5's than all of my other guns combined. The 300rum which I've taken a bunch of elk with has not netted me the same results. I suspect it's due to the bullet choices, but it is what it is.

Yea see the same with with a .243 on deer at times - seems to hit harder than the magnums at times which is crazy given that lil 100 gr bullet.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 23, 2017, 09:45:05 PM: Picked up a Howa "Alpine" in 6.5 Creedmoor gave me fits at first holding it to my accuracy standards and took about a 100 rounds to break in and settle down. Free floated it and a quality bedding job and it went to 1/2 MOA. Superbly accurate and a pleasure to carry.

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Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: jrebel on April 23, 2017, 09:57:48 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on April 23, 2017, 09:45:05 PM
Picked up a Howa "Alpine" in 6.5 Creedmoor gave me fits at first holding it to my accuracy standards and took about a 100 rounds to break in and settle down. Free floated it and a quality bedding job and it went to 1/2 MOA. Superbly accurate and a pleasure to carry.

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Are you loading your own ammo or shooting factory ammo? If your loading, are you interested in sharing the recipe as a starting point. I was going to shoot the 140 grain accu bonds if I can get them to shoot.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 23, 2017, 10:06:02 PM: I have piles of handload data for the 6.5 Creedmoor. What rifle are you shooting?
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: jrebel on April 23, 2017, 10:15:14 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on April 23, 2017, 10:06:02 PM
I have piles of handload data for the 6.5 Creedmoor. What rifle are you shooting?

It is the Savage Stealth
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 23, 2017, 10:21:04 PM: Some serious bang for the buck! Is the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. Mid weight barrel and accurate right out of the box. I have spent ALLOT of money on custom rifles. When I kept reading post after post on many shooting forums on how well they shot I had to try one out. I picked one up and shot 600 rounds through it in less than a month or so with a wide variety of hand loads. It was a solid 3/4 MOA rifle across the bored and hovered more towards the 1/2 MOA mark. The kicker $369.00 bucks.

Other than the Carsons cheek piece and muzzle brake I added the rifle is factory.

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1st row 100 yards
2nd 200 yards
3rd 300 yards

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300 yards.
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Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 23, 2017, 10:27:29 PM: The 6mm Creedmoor in the Ruger American Predator is a daisy also!

After barrel break in. These are the first 3 shot and 5 shot groups out of the rifle with factory ammo.

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Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 23, 2017, 10:34:21 PM: Quote from: jrebel on April 23, 2017, 10:15:14 PM
Quote from: Biggerhammer on April 23, 2017, 10:06:02 PM
I have piles of handload data for the 6.5 Creedmoor. What rifle are you shooting?

It is the Savage Stealth

Allot of guys are shooting H4350in the 6.5 CM. After allot of time behind a 6.5 Creedmoor of one type of another. I'm sold on RL-17. I get better accuracy with the same powder charge as H4350 and 107 feet per second more speed with the 140gr A-Max
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: cooltimber on April 24, 2017, 12:46:21 AM: great response,bighammer :yeah: that's doing your homework
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: gutsnthegrass on April 24, 2017, 11:38:15 AM: BH, you mentioned that the 6.5 CM is the .260 done right. What do you mean by that if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Yondering on April 24, 2017, 12:07:05 PM: RL17 for me as well, and another +1 for the American Predator. These rifles are a lot more capable than the price tag implies.

guts, the saying that the 6.5 C is the 260 done right refers mostly to the slightly shorter cartridge giving more room for long heavy bullets in short action magazines. It's not just shortened though; the case is "improved" slightly so the difference in capacity compared to the 260 is small, and actual velocity capability is pretty close between the two rounds.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: high country on April 24, 2017, 12:58:29 PM: The 260ai is the 260 done right. The magazine in the short action is where failure occurred.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Buckmania on April 24, 2017, 01:13:54 PM: Quote from: high country on April 22, 2017, 09:38:40 AM
I've killed more than a dozen elk now with the 6.5's. They work well. ****BUT**** you must respect the fact that it's not a magnum. That arss to tea kettle shot that you can take with your .338 won't work here. You,will pass up shots because of the guns limitations.

With that said, I've had more bang flops with my 6.5's than all of my other guns combined. The 300rum which I've taken a bunch of elk with has not netted me the same results. I suspect it's due to the bullet choices, but it is what it is.

As for range. The gun has it to take a perfect shot to your range and beyond....but you have to do your job and make sure you pilot it correctly.

What bullet you using?
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: high country on April 24, 2017, 03:01:00 PM: 142smk, 140 MB and I'm testing the rdf now.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: yorketransport on April 24, 2017, 03:35:45 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on April 23, 2017, 10:21:04 PM
Some serious bang for the buck! Is the Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. Mid weight barrel and accurate right out of the box. I have spent ALLOT of money on custom rifles. When I kept reading post after post on many shooting forums on how well they shot I had to try one out. I picked one up and shot 600 rounds through it in less than a month or so with a wide variety of hand loads. It was a solid 3/4 MOA rifle across the bored and hovered more towards the 1/2 MOA mark. The kicker $369.00 bucks.

Other than the Carsons cheek piece and muzzle brake I added the rifle is factory.

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1st row 100 yards
2nd 200 yards
3rd 300 yards

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300 yards.
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Wait a second, is that a Vortex scope on that rifle? What happened to you while you were off on sabbatical? Next will be a picture of a Tikka. Something isn't right here..... :tinfoil:
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 24, 2017, 03:50:22 PM: I HATED Vortex when they first came out, they were crap! I had a friend tell me they had improved quite a bit in 8 years or so. So I purchased three of them. While the turrets have adjusted well, they have the clarity of looking through a coke bottle at distance! Their razors may be clear but the Viper line in my opinion isn't as good as Leupold but on par with their price range I guess.

As for Tikka! :bdid:
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: jrebel on April 24, 2017, 07:28:51 PM: Bighammer.....Thanks for all the great advice and load data. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: high country on April 24, 2017, 07:30:38 PM: Bizarre. I still can't handle vortex. I just run the cheap junk.

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Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting?
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 24, 2017, 07:58:30 PM: Cheap junk works and most can't slap a trigger worth a crap 💩 to make the best of optics work for them besides the crap they frost the cheap junk with.👍
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting? Gun Porn Pg 2
Post by: jrebel on April 28, 2017, 09:08:44 PM: After a little drilling, filing and hacksaw action.....we finally have a finished product. 6.5 creedmoor is ready for the next stage...barrel break-in. This rifle is going to be a dear, elk and bear smack'n machine.
Title: Re: 6.5 creedmoor for long range hunting? Gun Porn Pg 2
Post by: Biggerhammer on April 28, 2017, 09:35:49 PM: 👍👍👍

Let me know how the Hornady factory 143gr EDL-X's shoot through that if you shoot any. I have a friend that has flat dialed in a load for his 6.5CM Ruger Predator. His rifle is amazingly accurate with the Hornady 143gr ELD-X.

This is a 3 shot 200 yard group with the 143gr ELD-X.

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Post by: Buckhunter28 on April 29, 2017, 11:54:12 AM: Thats odd about the issues you've had with Vortex, I have 2 Viper Scopes, a pair of Viper Binos, a pair of Diamondback Binos, and hopefully a spotter to join in upcoming months, and I love all of them, just as clear, if not clearer, as any other optics I've ever looked through, that's why they have so much of my money!
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Post by: jrebel on April 29, 2017, 12:45:02 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on April 28, 2017, 09:35:49 PM
👍👍👍

Let me know how the Hornady factory 143gr EDL-X's shoot through that if you shoot any. I have a friend that has flat dialed in a load for his 6.5CM Ruger Predator. His rifle is amazingly accurate with the Hornady 143gr ELD-X.

This is a 3 shot 200 yard group with the 143gr ELD-X.

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That is the one box of factory ammo I bought so I will let you know. I have read a little on the ELD-X bullet and am a little worried about the overall performance on game. Any one out there killed with these bulltes and what was the performance like?

My first loads will be with Nosler accubonds 140 gr. Depending on how they perform, I may look at the bergers.
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Post by: h20hunter on April 29, 2017, 12:48:47 PM: Ive read many good reviews but my gun doesn't like them. We need @yorketransport to see if he csn hook us up with some results.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on April 29, 2017, 12:49:15 PM: Nice bunch of rifles, all. :tup:
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Post by: yorketransport on April 29, 2017, 04:35:57 PM: This is the 143 eld -x at 1845 fps (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi162.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft260%2Fcollegekidandy%2F3BBDB0AE-E3A7-45EE-9007-203EB13FEF7F.jpg&hash=c2e63bac40ca35ea86b736133507e042b0af3a70) (http://s162.Photobucket.com/user/collegekidandy/media/3BBDB0AE-E3A7-45EE-9007-203EB13FEF7F.jpg.html)
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Post by: h20hunter on April 29, 2017, 04:37:04 PM: :tup:
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Post by: Biggerhammer on April 29, 2017, 06:26:20 PM: A friends brother took a spike Elk last year with a Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor and a factory Hornady 143gr ELD-X. Didn't recover the bullet, it was a pass through.

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Post by: jrebel on April 29, 2017, 06:37:37 PM: Well that looks effective. Do you know what range?
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Post by: Biggerhammer on April 29, 2017, 06:42:44 PM: At about 100 yards. Funny!! All set up for long range shots on the Colockum and he point blanks his Elk.
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Post by: high country on April 29, 2017, 07:13:57 PM: 142smk @ 740yds....bull elk.

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Post by: jrebel on May 03, 2017, 12:23:22 PM: @biggerhammer

I used the 143 grain ELD-X to break in the barrel. They appear to shoot very well for a factory ammo choice. Keep in mind that these shots are with cleaning the barrell in between every shot. The two groups with the holes touching are three shot groups after I finished the 1 shot clean cycle.

I will update with my handloads I develope them. I currently have R17 and H4350 loaded and should make it to the range Friday.
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Post by: jackelope on May 03, 2017, 03:28:18 PM: Looks like you've got a shooter there.
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Post by: chester on May 03, 2017, 04:12:43 PM: :bash: I couldn't take seeing this thread any longer, it broke me . I went and bought the 6.5c ruger American predator. Ruger should probably send a few of you guys royalties. :tup:
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 03, 2017, 07:06:39 PM: Exellent results. I'm impressed with that rifles accuracy. It's great to see a factory rifle and ammo combo shoot so well. Hornady has given the 6.5 Creedmoor huge support with quality, accurate offerings.
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Post by: Yondering on May 03, 2017, 08:53:32 PM: Quote from: chester on May 03, 2017, 04:12:43 PM
:bash: I couldn't take seeing this thread any longer, it broke me . I went and bought the 6.5c ruger American predator. Ruger should probably send a few of you guys royalties. :tup:

Nice work! Excellent choice in rifles.
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Post by: 2labs on May 03, 2017, 09:17:39 PM: And the hand loaded Swede will out run it! :dunno:
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Post by: doubletall on May 07, 2017, 06:02:17 PM: Quote from: chester on May 03, 2017, 04:12:43 PM
:bash: I couldn't take seeing this thread any longer, it broke me . I went and bought the 6.5c ruger American predator. Ruger should probably send a few of you guys royalties. :tup:

I bought mine on impulse also; couldn't happier with it. I was ringing the 8 in gong with my hand loads last weekend at 400 yards. Lots of fun and easy on the shoulder.
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Post by: NW-GSP on May 08, 2017, 01:28:58 AM: Biggerhammer I just picked up a ruger American 6.5 what did you do to break yours in?
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 08, 2017, 09:48:46 PM: I scrubbed the heck out of the bore, both my 6.5 & 6mm Creedmoor American Predator barrels were way dirty. I fired one and clean for five rounds. Then three and clean for five groups, then I just shot it. I used Butches Bore shine and double checked for copper with a couple patches of Whipe Out.

All in all, very impressive rifle for $369.00 bucks!!! Nothing sexy about it, it just shoots.
MagPul also announced they are doing a stock for it. Same as the one they do for the Remington 700.

My go to load.👍

42gr of RL17 got me 103fps more speed than 42gr of H4350 with no pressure signs in my rifle.

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It even slummed the plain vanilla Hornady Interlocks well.

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It also shot the SST's under half MOA at 200 yards.

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Post by: NW-GSP on May 08, 2017, 10:29:32 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on May 08, 2017, 09:48:46 PM
I scrubbed the heck out of the bore, both my 6.5 & 6mm Creedmoor American Predator barrels were way dirty. I fired one and clean for five rounds. Then three and clean for five groups, then I just shot it. I used Butches Bore shine and double checked for copper with a couple patches of Whipe Out.

All in all, very impressive rifle for $369.00 bucks!!! Nothing sexy about it, it just shoots.
MagPul also announced they are doing a stock for it. Same as the one they do for the Remington 700.

My go to load.👍

42gr of RL17 got me 103fps more speed than 42gr of H4350 with no pressure signs in my rifle.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F506247C8-59B1-4E68-9D68-3D45BE96AC19_zpsgbehxpqf.jpg&hash=92a5fb067d8327261137f8eb3c7e55c51da2b48a) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Mobile%20Uploads/506247C8-59B1-4E68-9D68-3D45BE96AC19_zpsgbehxpqf.jpg.html)

It even slummed the plain vanilla Hornady Interlocks well.

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It also shot the SST's under half MOA at 200 yards.

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Do you use a chamber guide when cleaning or just being careful.
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 08, 2017, 11:47:44 PM: On the Predators I just use a quality coated rod. No chamber guide.
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Post by: fishngamereaper on May 09, 2017, 07:36:00 AM: How's the factory comb height on that Ruger. Any issues with flex in the stock when sitting on a bipod.
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Post by: Yondering on May 09, 2017, 09:04:46 AM: I didn't do any break in to speak of on my 6.5 RAR Predator - just shot it. After ~ 50 rounds or so, it fouls very little if any. Nothing wrong with a good break-in though if a guy wants too, and it won't hurt if you're careful with the cleaning rod.

A bore guide is definitely a good idea. I cringe when I hear people recommend coated rods though; I work in a durability test lab and it's very common to see plastic/rubber parts wear through steel and aluminum if there's any dust or dirt in the area.

fishngame- The factory comb height is pretty low, about where you'd want it for iron sights. These rifles do benefit from some sort of cheek riser for scope use.
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Post by: jrebel on May 09, 2017, 12:45:17 PM: Well...load develpement has started. This rifle will flat out shood. It likes pretty much anything I throw at it. I have been slowly working up my powder loads and have these two almost identical groups. One group is H4350 41 grains and the other is Reloader 17 42 grains. I will chrono the RL17 and play with seating depth to see if it tightens up a little more. If it doesn't I will be perfectly happy with this group and start shooting at longer ranges. Getting pretty excited to whack a bear this year using this rifle. :tup:
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 09, 2017, 06:49:48 PM: Good chance adjusting your seating depth in 20 thou increments. Will start to tighten that up, then fine tune from there. The Creedmoor is just one of those cartridges that shoots well across the board.
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Post by: jrebel on May 11, 2017, 11:42:43 AM: Series   9    Shots:   5
Min   2782    Max   2798
Avg   2790   S-D   6.6
ES    16

Series   Shot   Speed
9   1   2798    ft/s
9   2   2788    ft/s
9   3   2787    ft/s
9   4   2782    ft/s
9   5   2796    ft/s
----   ----   ----   ----

This is the results of R17 42 grains pushing 140 grain accubonds. Best group was a 3 shot group 0.26".

How does R17 do with temp changes. I was shooting in about 60 degree weather today. I will be hunting in temps from 20-80 degrees. Can I expect much difference in performance with temp swings?

jrebel
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 11, 2017, 10:37:22 PM: Jrebel,

Did you adjust the parallax on that scope. Shifting your head position on the stock with incorrect parallax can cause groups to string like that. Just a thought, it may not be the load? Great groups. Proper parallax adjustment and consistent position and hold can really tighten things up.
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Post by: jjness11 on May 12, 2017, 08:06:49 AM: Quote from: jrebel on May 11, 2017, 11:42:43 AM
Series   9    Shots:   5
Min   2782    Max   2798
Avg   2790   S-D   6.6
ES    16

Series   Shot   Speed
9   1   2798    ft/s
9   2   2788    ft/s
9   3   2787    ft/s
9   4   2782    ft/s
9   5   2796    ft/s
----   ----   ----   ----

This is the results of R17 42 grains pushing 140 grain accubonds. Best group was a 3 shot group 0.26".

How does R17 do with temp changes. I was shooting in about 60 degree weather today. I will be hunting in temps from 20-80 degrees. Can I expect much difference in performance with temp swings?

jrebel

That is pretty good. You might check out the RL16. From what I hear, you get the same results as RL17, but the 16 is more temperature stable. I haven't seen it in any stores, but I know you can get it from Midsouth Shooters or Midway.
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Post by: jrebel on May 16, 2017, 01:02:54 PM: Finally got to stretch my range as I am pretty sure I have completed the load developement.

Here are my groups from 200 and 300 yards in less than ideal weather (Gusty wind all morning). Still pretty impressive groups.

Here is the 200 yard 4 shot group.....I should have stopped with 3 shots :chuckle: :chuckle:. Pretty sure that low shot was me...not the gun.
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Post by: jrebel on May 16, 2017, 01:07:17 PM: Here are the 300 yard groups.

300 yard 3 shot group. 300 yard 2 shot group. First 5 shots fired ar 300 with this rifle and I am sold. Variations from the two groups are due to me learning my turrets / elevation and trying to hold for wind on the second (2 shot) group.
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Post by: high country on May 16, 2017, 02:29:35 PM: They are really fun once you roll about 10 mils into the scope.
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Post by: Yondering on May 16, 2017, 06:13:24 PM: Nice work, that'll do! It feels good when a project like that comes together, yeah?
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Post by: Doublelunger on May 30, 2017, 12:59:20 PM: First blood with my 6.5 creedmoor. Got this Eastern Oregon bear at 409 yards. One shot and he was doing cart wheels down the hill.
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Post by: syoungs on June 15, 2017, 07:52:57 PM: I've been eyeballing new rifles to use for longer range bear hunting, 4-600 yards would be all I'm comfortable shooting, the more I see people hunting with the 6.5, I might just use mine to fill that niche for a year or 2!

Nice bear there too btw. :tup:
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Post by: jrebel on June 15, 2017, 09:41:57 PM: Excellent bear. Thanks for sharing. Hope mine draws first blood this fall on a bear.
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Post by: jrebel on June 16, 2017, 06:21:39 PM: Just confirmed my final load for the 6.5 creedmoor.

H4350 41 grains
140 grain Nosler Accubond

Series   11    Shots:   4
Min   2705    Max   2724
Avg   2711   S-D   8.8
ES    19

Series   Shot   Speed
11   1   2724    ft/s
11   2   2706    ft/s
11   3   2705    ft/s
11   4   2709    ft/s

First pic is the 4 shot group that matches the chrono'd speeds above....the three shot group is that is touching is .32 and what the load / rifle is capable of if I did my part. :chuckle: :chuckle:

Rl17 with 42 grains got me 80 fps faster but showed pressure signes in hot weather so I went back to old faithful and am pretty happy.

The second pic is my son's group with the same rifle. He is 7 and loves shooting this rifle. All in All, I would say he did a great job.
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Post by: Biggerhammer on June 16, 2017, 08:26:37 PM: Such a sweet shooting chambering! So much hate for it from the .260 guys. It's not a "Fad" cartridge. It's here to stay. Any serious shooter would recognize that, at just a glance of the reamer print!

Well done!👍
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Post by: Taco280AI on June 16, 2017, 09:11:13 PM: Is looking good. Quick calculation shows 1790 fps at 600 yards with that Accubond (59 degrees, 1000 feet). Decent poke.