Post by: Tbob on April 22, 2017, 01:06:17 PM
So I asked her about them and what she was doing with them? She said they were her late husbands mounts and she just needs to get rid of them sometime soon. I told her I'd love to be in line if she wants them gone! She said she'd do some thinking and get back to me..
Can I even legally have a rhino mount? Not sure how this works.. I was told she might not be able to sell it to me, but she could just gift it to me. Anyone know anything about this??
Has anyone ever even seen a rhino mount?
I'll attach a few pics too, but again, I was just floored and what is sitting around just collecting dust in a garage ..
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The Endangered Species Act (ESA)
The Endangered Species Act affords protection to certain plant and animal species worldwide that are federally listed as “threatened” or “endangered.” This means you can’t sell these species or species parts at your estate sale, unless you can prove it’s an antique. (See ESA Antique Exception in the red box below for the rules on this, which may also apply to ivory). At the least, misdemeanor violations can be subject to up to $500, jail up to 6 months, or both. Felony violations can have fines up to $2,000, jail up to 2 years or both.
Find the full list of endangered species here, as well as the ability to search for your particular species in question.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl/pr/miami-wildlife-dealer-convicted-illegal-rhinoceros-trafficking-deal
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Miami Wildlife Dealer Convicted In Illegal Rhinoceros Trafficking Deal
Wifredo A. Ferrer, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, and Dan Ashe, Director, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) announced that Gene Harris, 76, of Miami, pled guilty yesterday to the sale and purchase of, the offer of sale and purchase of, and the intent to sell and purchase horns of a black rhinoceros (Diceros bicornis) with a market value in excess of $350.00, and to the transport, receipt, acquisition, and purchase of said wildlife, knowing that the wildlife was possessed, transported, and sold in violation of the Endangered Species Act, 16 U.S.C. '' 1538(a)(1)(E) and (F), and 1540(b), all in violation of 16 U.S.C. '' 3372(a)(1) and 3373(d)(1)(B); and 18 U.S.C. ' 2.
Post by: Skillet on April 22, 2017, 03:13:59 PM
That's a black Rhino...I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
:yeah:
Very cool, but I'd be careful. If you ever needed to get rid of it, even to donate it, you might have some 'splainin to do.
ttp://www.fosters.com/article/20140930/GJNEWS_01/140939985 (http://ttp://www.fosters.com/article/20140930/GJNEWS_01/140939985)
Post by: Tbob on April 22, 2017, 03:17:41 PM
Post by: Skillet on April 22, 2017, 03:17:58 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/05/why-does-a-rhino-horn-cost-300-000-because-vietnam-thinks-it-cures-cancer-and-hangovers/275881/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/05/why-does-a-rhino-horn-cost-300-000-because-vietnam-thinks-it-cures-cancer-and-hangovers/275881/)
Post by: Tbob on April 22, 2017, 03:20:05 PM
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Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 22, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
Sweet mounts. Would be cool to find out the legalities of having/obtaining the rhino! Good luck to u, at the very least hope it ends up in an appreciative place.
Post by: jrebel on April 22, 2017, 07:48:19 PM
Regardless of what happens, super cool you got to see these in person. Thanks for sharing the pics. :tup:
Post by: DaveMonti on April 22, 2017, 08:02:55 PM
:yeah: I watched a documentary about poaching in Africa and it's no joke there.
Recently, a rhino was killed in a French zoo at night and the horn was taken. Several museums in Europe have been broken into and horns stolen. It's a big, nasty, violent black market. I'd very nervous about posting pictures of a horn anywhere, especially if it has a location tag on it. I'd suggest taking this post down.
Post by: JODakota on April 22, 2017, 08:39:58 PM
:yeah: I watched a documentary about poaching in Africa and it's no joke there.
Recently, a rhino was killed in a French zoo at night and the horn was taken. Several museums in Europe have been broken into and horns stolen. It's a big, nasty, violent black market. I'd very nervous about posting pictures of a horn anywhere, especially if it has a location tag on it. I'd suggest taking this post down.
That's a ridiculous request. No law has been broken. The OP just shared a mount of an animal that is no longer allowed to be taken. Would you say the same thing about a polar bear mount?
Post by: Man Tracker on April 22, 2017, 08:40:46 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on April 22, 2017, 09:00:28 PM
:yeah: I watched a documentary about poaching in Africa and it's no joke there.
Recently, a rhino was killed in a French zoo at night and the horn was taken. Several museums in Europe have been broken into and horns stolen. It's a big, nasty, violent black market. I'd very nervous about posting pictures of a horn anywhere, especially if it has a location tag on it. I'd suggest taking this post down.
If the polar bear had a rhino horn worth over $100,000 sticking out of it's head and the picture was tagged with a location, yeah, I would.
That's a ridiculous request. No law has been broken. The OP just shared a mount of an animal that is no longer allowed to be taken. Would you say the same thing about a polar bear mount?
Post by: PastorJoel on April 22, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
:yeah: I watched a documentary about poaching in Africa and it's no joke there.
Recently, a rhino was killed in a French zoo at night and the horn was taken. Several museums in Europe have been broken into and horns stolen. It's a big, nasty, violent black market. I'd very nervous about posting pictures of a horn anywhere, especially if it has a location tag on it. I'd suggest taking this post down.
That's a ridiculous request. No law has been broken. The OP just shared a mount of an animal that is no longer allowed to be taken. Would you say the same thing about a polar bear mount?
His concern appears to be for their safety, not legality.
Post by: Reidus on April 22, 2017, 09:08:17 PM
Not about laws. Just like posting "i have $300k sittin in my garage and wondering what i should do with it?":yeah: I watched a documentary about poaching in Africa and it's no joke there.
Recently, a rhino was killed in a French zoo at night and the horn was taken. Several museums in Europe have been broken into and horns stolen. It's a big, nasty, violent black market. I'd very nervous about posting pictures of a horn anywhere, especially if it has a location tag on it. I'd suggest taking this post down.
That's a ridiculous request. No law has been broken. The OP just shared a mount of an animal that is no longer allowed to be taken. Would you say the same thing about a polar bear mount?
Here for it to be worth something there'd have to be a buyer and so on. Not an easy thing to smuggle around.
Post by: DaveMonti on April 22, 2017, 09:09:35 PM
:yeah: I watched a documentary about poaching in Africa and it's no joke there.
Recently, a rhino was killed in a French zoo at night and the horn was taken. Several museums in Europe have been broken into and horns stolen. It's a big, nasty, violent black market. I'd very nervous about posting pictures of a horn anywhere, especially if it has a location tag on it. I'd suggest taking this post down.
That's a ridiculous request. No law has been broken. The OP just shared a mount of an animal that is no longer allowed to be taken. Would you say the same thing about a polar bear mount?
His concern appears to be for their safety, not legality.
Thanks Joel,
It's also a picture taken inside a private residence/garage of potentially very valuable property. People make a big stink about not posting pictures of a dead deer or elk that someone else shot without having permission from the hunter, so how is this any different?
Perhaps he does have permission from the owner, but I think it's highly unlikely that he asked an old lady if he can post her rhino on a hunting forum that he is a member of.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on April 23, 2017, 12:20:19 AM
I worked with a guy last year that had "taken" a rhino in the last few years. He used a tranquilizer gun and had to put up around $200k in bond in case it died on top of his ~$50k hunt fee. The rhino was destined to be tranqued anyway for research and to be checked out by a vet.
Post by: HntnFsh on April 23, 2017, 07:48:09 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on April 23, 2017, 08:59:57 AM
I would make sure she is okay with you posting pics. I don't see any location data attached to that photo but I am sure there are people out there that would love to know the location of that and would do some bad things to get that horn.
Just my :twocents:
Post by: Tbob on April 23, 2017, 09:04:27 AM
Can any of you tell me where exactly this rhino is located by the picture I posted? Can any of you even tell what state I'm currently in? Thanks for the safety concerns though..
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on April 23, 2017, 09:09:54 AM
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Post by: Tbob on April 24, 2017, 08:31:31 AM
Post by: Tbob on April 24, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
She's decided to try and give the rhino to a museum of some type, although she said a few places said they could take it (as she has the proper legal paper work), but they said they would just destroy it. Not sure why, but that's what she was told. She is however going to gift me the dall sheep mount! I'm super stoked about this! I know it's not mine, but I'm happy that it will live on with someone who will appreciate what it took to get that thing off the mountain. She said it was taken in the early 60's. She has all the legal paper work for it as well. Super cool!
Post by: Skillet on April 24, 2017, 08:43:18 AM
That's really unfortunate about the rhino. I suppose the museums that could afford to secure it (ie., large, metropolitan museums) are not into promoting hunting and trophy-style mounts, and the ones that would like it couldn't afford to pay for the security to keep the horn burglars from stealing it.
Catch 22
Post by: Rainier10 on April 24, 2017, 08:57:25 AM
Post by: Bushcraft on April 24, 2017, 09:05:22 AM
It sounds like she is open to the idea of donating it to a museum, which is a good thing since that is really the only option available.
Do you think she would be willing to work with SCI to have it gifted to the Washington State School for the Blind in Vancouver?
Here's a link to the venue: http://www2.wssb.wa.gov/Content/oncampus/safari.asp
Let me know and I'll help you with the groundwork.
Allen
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Post by: jackelope on April 24, 2017, 10:42:55 AM
Or how about SCI or some other hunting related organization?
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If I were you, I would steer a very wide course around taking possession of that black rhino mount given the federal and now WA state laws on endangered species. Nearly all "new" rhino taxidermy is reproduction, but I doubt that's the case here.
It sounds like she is open to the idea of donating it to a museum, which is a good thing since that is really the only option available.
Do you think she would be willing to work with SCI to have it gifted to the Washington State School for the Blind in Vancouver?
Here's a link to the venue: http://www2.wssb.wa.gov/Content/oncampus/safari.asp
Let me know and I'll help you with the groundwork.
Allen
Post by: Skillet on April 24, 2017, 10:54:33 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 24, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
I don't understand the suggestion for the School for the Blind tie-in. Seems totally random. Coming from bushcraft, I tend to think it may be legit, but serious question - Why would the SCI want to get involved to work towards that being the destination of the mount? :dunno:
Check the link he provided.
Sensory Safari
“A journey of sight through touch”
An exciting partnership of the Northwest Chapter of Safari Club International, Washington State School for the Blind, Washington School for the Blind Foundation, with special collaboration and involvement from U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has brought this new museum to Southwest Washington.
A unique opportunity in the form of a rare wildlife safari through the sense of touch, called the “Sensory Safari” Tactile Museum of Natural History, brings a new world of discovery not only to the blind, but to our full community. All animals are donated to enhance the education of wildlife conservation and are on permanent display providing a unique way to see wildlife through the sense of touch.
The Tactile Museum of Natural History’s permanent display located on the Washington State School for the Blind (WSSB) campus at 2214 E. 13th St., Vancouver, Wash., is a one-of-a kind museum within the U.S. which incorporates sense of touch, Braille, large print and audio to provide an invigorating learning environment that can be enjoyed by all individuals.
Post by: boneaddict on April 24, 2017, 11:56:17 AM
Cool mounts!
Post by: Skillet on April 24, 2017, 11:58:49 AM
Post by: Skillet on April 24, 2017, 12:02:41 PM
It sucks that everyone has to live their life in fear of either breaking the law or actually being victimized by real lawbreakers.
Cool mounts!
It does suck. But don't think for a second that the kind of money that this mount represents on the black market wouldn't attract a large amount of the wrong kind of attention. I would not be surprised at all to find out that users with IP addy's in Africa and SE Asia are already watching this thread.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on April 24, 2017, 12:57:33 PM
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Post by: Bushcraft on April 24, 2017, 03:55:17 PM
I don't understand the suggestion for the School for the Blind tie-in. Seems totally random. Coming from bushcraft, I tend to think it may be legit, but serious question - Why would the SCI want to get involved to work towards that being the destination of the mount? :dunno:
The issue at hand is that the taxidermy in question is from an ESA-listed species and as such cannot be sold, transferred, or otherwise gifted to another person. The only viable option for this lady is to gift it to a museum. Per the OP, she has made contact with a few but has been told that it would likely be destroyed. That would be shameful, to put it mildly.
The reason I mentioned the WA State School for the Blind's Sensory Safari Tactile Museum is that it would be an option, not only for the visually disabled who would otherwise never have the opportunity to fully comprehend the size and shape of a mature rhino (there are no petting zoos for black rhinos :chuckle: ), but also the general public. Better it go to a venue where we (SCI) can help educate people to the problem of poaching (and pay to have someone perform ongoing taxidermy maintenance), rather than it getting incinerated.
Did you watch the video? If not, I recommend doing so. Even better, you should go see it in person and watch the expressions of the visually impaired as they learn what a particular animal "looks" like when running their hands all over an exhibit while listening to the auditory supplements via provided headphones. It's awesome and very fulfilling to be a part of an organization that does this as part of it's humanitarian outreach. This is just another small, but important, example of all the stuff that SCI does for protecting hunting rights and wildlife conservation.
If you haven't joined SCI, let me know and I can point you to a chapter near you. www.sci-washington.com (http://www.sci-washington.com)
Best regards,
Allen
Post by: FC on April 24, 2017, 04:20:37 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 24, 2017, 04:44:52 PM
So just for the record I did ask if I could take a few pix of the rhino and I also asked if she minded If I shared the pic to get some info. She said she did not care. Sorry if I offended anybody by posting a picture of a mount..
Can any of you tell me where exactly this rhino is located by the picture I posted? Can any of you even tell what state I'm currently in? Thanks for the safety concerns though..
Timmy, this place is amazing..... keep stuff on the DL, make sure it's legal and your gtg.... there's a reason most don't post here anymore.....