Post by: CP on May 01, 2017, 09:22:56 AM
I don’t know who to believe.
I’ve loaded the 125g Hornady SST to 18.5g Lil’Gun without any pressure signs. It’s plenty accurate for a hunting load and shoots very flat out to 225y. I’m not sure if I should try pushing it any further or not.
Anyone else loading the .300 BLK?
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 01, 2017, 10:52:26 AM
20.2gr H110
CCI 400
2.250
Federal mil-spec brass.
I found once fired brass trimmed, and sized to .300 Black Out. Polished and gauged. Just load and shoot for $110.00 per 1000 Shipped.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F44447663-CF8C-4D14-A30D-5437914483B3_zpsmey7jyaz.jpg&hash=9482c71bf9c4b713303364ca1432590b0d2eb52f) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Mobile%20Uploads/44447663-CF8C-4D14-A30D-5437914483B3_zpsmey7jyaz.jpg.html)
Post by: CP on May 01, 2017, 11:05:49 AM
I shoot the 110gr Barnes Tac-X
20.2gr H110
CCI 400
2.250
Federal mil-spec brass.
I found once fired brass trimmed, and sized to .300 Black Out. Polished and gauged. Just load and shoot for $110.00 per 1000 Shipped.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2F44447663-CF8C-4D14-A30D-5437914483B3_zpsmey7jyaz.jpg&hash=9482c71bf9c4b713303364ca1432590b0d2eb52f) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Mobile%20Uploads/44447663-CF8C-4D14-A30D-5437914483B3_zpsmey7jyaz.jpg.html)
Have you taken an animal with that load?
Post by: headshot5 on May 01, 2017, 11:25:50 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 01, 2017, 11:43:23 AM
For taking big game I would rather shoot a AR chambered in 6x45, 25x45, .243 LBC, 6.5 Grendel etc.
Post by: yorketransport on May 02, 2017, 06:51:30 AM
When I had a 10" 300 whisper I ran the 125 NBT and H110 good results at around 1700 fps.
Post by: CP on May 03, 2017, 12:59:19 PM
I've run H110, with 125gr Noslers, and 130 Speer flatpoints for a while now. 130's with 17.0-17.5gr H110, work really well on deer, and have a text book mushroom at blackout speeds.
Have you tried Lil'Gun with these bullets? Book data shows higher velocities at lower pressures than H110. I've tried both and don't see a difference but I don't have a chronograph. I need to breakdown and buy one.
I like the 130g Speer but I have feed issues with it.
Post by: headshot5 on May 03, 2017, 01:19:57 PM
I've run H110, with 125gr Noslers, and 130 Speer flatpoints for a while now. 130's with 17.0-17.5gr H110, work really well on deer, and have a text book mushroom at blackout speeds.
Have you tried Lil'Gun with these bullets? Book data shows higher velocities at lower pressures than H110. I've tried both and don't see a difference but I don't have a chronograph. I need to breakdown and buy one.
I like the 130g Speer but I have feed issues with it.
I haven't tried Lil Gun, in my blackout, I really was chasing accuracy more than velocity, and H110 gave me everything I was looking for. My blackout is a Rem 700, and it was hit and miss with the 130's until I got the seating depth just right, now it feeds smooth. The same 130 flat points feed great in Ruger American Ranch rifles as well. I was getting around 2000 fps with the 130's. I don't have my notes on hand to tell you exactly. Accuracy was sub moa in my gun <3/4" 100 yards.
Completely off topic, but I'm really wanting to shoot the new ruger American ranch 450 bushmaster. It looks like it would be a stellar brush gun.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 03, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
Post by: CP on May 05, 2017, 07:19:12 AM
Post by: Yondering on May 05, 2017, 09:42:52 AM
Some range time with the Ruger Ranger Rifle. It is only a 16” carbine but I’m still not particularly impressed with any of these.
Do you mean a Ruger Ranch rifle? As in, a Mini-14? If so, you're doing pretty well with it, they are not a target rifle. I would think that's about as good as you could expect with one of those; it's not the caliber, it's the rifle.
Post by: CP on May 05, 2017, 10:58:14 AM
Some range time with the Ruger Ranger Rifle. It is only a 16” carbine but I’m still not particularly impressed with any of these.
Do you mean a Ruger Ranch rifle? As in, a Mini-14? If so, you're doing pretty well with it, they are not a target rifle. I would think that's about as good as you could expect with one of those; it's not the caliber, it's the rifle.
Ruger American Ranch
http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifleRanch/models.html
Post by: CP on May 11, 2017, 08:10:09 PM
Bullet Powder Charge FPS
125g SST L'Gun 18.5 2113
125g SST L'Gun 18.5 Error
125g SST L'Gun 18.5 Error
125g SST L'Gun 18.9 2253
125g SST L'Gun 18.9 2240
125g SST L'Gun 18.9 2240
125g SST L'Gun 19.3 Error
125g SST L'Gun 19.3 2287
125g SST L'Gun 19.3 2235
125g SST L'Gun 19.6 Error
125g SST L'Gun 19.6 2305
125g SST L'Gun 19.6 2283
125g SST L'Gun 20.0 2355
125g SST L'Gun 20.0 2325
125g SST L'Gun 20.0 2383
Post by: CP on May 26, 2017, 06:44:13 AM
Post by: CP on May 26, 2017, 11:13:01 AM
Post by: CP on July 07, 2017, 09:26:24 AM
Sierra 220g RN with 1680 powder:
10.8g – velocities: 1036, 1026, 975, 965 (fps) - 3” spread at 75 yards
12.0g velocities: 1108, 1070, 1043, 1047, 1092 (fps) – less than 1” at 75 yards
These all stayed subsonic (Mach 1.0 = 1128 fps @70 degrees F) but I’d like to figure out how to tighten up the velocity spread.
Post by: Yondering on July 07, 2017, 11:39:25 AM
Remember, there's not a hard cutoff between supersonic and subsonic. Your faster loads are in the transsonic range and will make more noise than you'd want.
Post by: Alchase on July 07, 2017, 01:36:25 PM
I was curious if any of you had decent results with factory sub-sonic ammo?
If this is off topic I can start a new thread?
Post by: CP on January 11, 2018, 07:43:40 AM
Post by: Yondering on January 11, 2018, 09:39:09 AM
I'm not 100% sure about that Hornady 150gr SP you're using, but I think it's intended for a higher velocity rifle (308, 30-06, etc), so you're probably pretty close to the minimum expansion threshold at the muzzle. With a lot of high velocity rifle bullets, you can't expect much/any expansion below ~1800 fps, which gives you a pretty narrow effective range with that bullet for good terminal performance.
If you were to use a 30/30 bullet of course, intended for lower velocity, that would be a different story, or one of the good lighter bullets started at higher velocity.
Post by: CP on January 11, 2018, 12:06:33 PM
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ar-15_deer_cartridges.html
I intend to do some expansion testing to determine the max range but I don't intend to use it for long distance hunting.
Post by: h20hunter on January 11, 2018, 12:11:19 PM
Post by: CP on January 11, 2018, 12:13:47 PM
Steel plates aren't the best medium for expansion tests? :chuckle:
More of a splat test
Post by: CP on January 11, 2018, 01:28:45 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 11, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/30-cal-308-110-gr-v-max#!/
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2149663126/speer-tnt-varmint-bullets-30-caliber-308-diameter-125-grain-jacketed-hollow-point
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010929186/nosler-varmageddon-bullets-30-caliber-308-diameter-110-grain-tipped-flat-base-box-of-100
At the fps blackout put out they won't explode like it would out of a 3000 fps rifle ,i have played with the blackout for two years and learn the hard way ,barnes makes the best expanding bullets for blackout , but there's a cost factor,and lots of options. :tup:
Post by: Yondering on January 11, 2018, 04:01:41 PM
Most 300blk is getting 2300 fps at muzzle ,
Not with a 150gr.
CP, you really gotta think about down range velocity, not just muzzle velocity. You're not stacking the odds in your favor with those bullet choices. Why not use something more appropriate to the cartridge?
Post by: hunter399 on January 11, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
I was just saying in general with any bullet,that 2300 fps is about tops at the muzzle,and do agree lots of bullet choices,If your looking for extra wt bullets,I would look for 125 grain varment bullets good expansion ,varment bullets are not gonna fragment much with the low velocity 300 blk.Most 300blk is getting 2300 fps at muzzle ,
Not with a 150gr.
CP, you really gotta think about down range velocity, not just muzzle velocity. You're not stacking the odds in your favor with those bullet choices. Why not use something more appropriate to the cartridge?
Post by: CP on January 11, 2018, 05:24:23 PM
I've done my research and have spoken with folks that take several deer and hogs a year with the 300 BLK. My 1st choice is still a 150g bullet - 2nd choice would be the 125g SST that I posted about earlier. Nothing lighter than that.
Post by: hunter399 on January 11, 2018, 06:46:14 PM
Here's a artical I read awhile ago on the set for 300blk.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outdoorhub.com/amp/index.php/breaking-5-different-300-blackout-loads-terminal-ballistics
This is a 300blk forum maybe your a member already but if not lots of info,and people they say it does work.
http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/index.php
This is from hornadys website which says expansion is best a higher velocity.
The Hornady® SST® is designed to deliver tremendous shock on impact while expanding quickly and reliably, particularly at higher velocities.
Hope any info helps I'm a member on 300blk talk tons on info there Good luck.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 11, 2018, 09:03:32 PM
Post by: Yondering on January 11, 2018, 10:31:29 PM
No, I'm not going to shoot a deer with a varmint bullet. I'd rather have a no expansion pass through than blow fragments 5" under the skin.
I've done my research and have spoken with folks that take several deer and hogs a year with the 300 BLK. My 1st choice is still a 150g bullet - 2nd choice would be the 125g SST that I posted about earlier. Nothing lighter than that.
You should do some better research then. The two best 300 Blk hunting bullets available are the 110gr Barnes "black tip" and the 125gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. Both penetrate deeply and expand well without fragmenting within the 300 Blk's velocity envelope.
I'm still curious why your first choice is a 150gr bullet for this cartridge. What is that choice based on?
Don't be so narrow minded as to just think "varmint bullet = bad". So called "varmint bullets" for high velocity rifles are built with the lighter construction needed for normal expansion at the lower velocity the 300 produces. Not all, but most of the 30 cal "varmint bullets" act like traditional hunting bullets at 300 Blk speeds and penetrate deeply. And if you rule out something like the 110gr black tip just because of the weight, you're misunderstanding a lot.
Also do not confuse the black tip Barnes bullet with the blue tipped option of the same weight; that one is designed for higher velocity and is a completely different bullet, and not really appropriate for the 300.
Post by: mountainman on January 12, 2018, 12:04:02 AM
Look at some of Mr. Mileks load data of low velocity varmint bullets in the Herret and the TCU chamberings. Low velocities, the "varmint bullets" shine on big game!No, I'm not going to shoot a deer with a varmint bullet. I'd rather have a no expansion pass through than blow fragments 5" under the skin.
I've done my research and have spoken with folks that take several deer and hogs a year with the 300 BLK. My 1st choice is still a 150g bullet - 2nd choice would be the 125g SST that I posted about earlier. Nothing lighter than that.
You should do some better research then. The two best 300 Blk hunting bullets available are the 110gr Barnes "black tip" and the 125gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. Both penetrate deeply and expand well without fragmenting within the 300 Blk's velocity envelope.
I'm still curious why your first choice is a 150gr bullet for this cartridge. What is that choice based on?
Don't be so narrow minded as to just think "varmint bullet = bad". So called "varmint bullets" for high velocity rifles are built with the lighter construction needed for normal expansion at the lower velocity the 300 produces. Not all, but most of the 30 cal "varmint bullets" act like traditional hunting bullets at 300 Blk speeds and penetrate deeply. And if you rule out something like the 110gr black tip just because of the weight, you're misunderstanding a lot.
Also do not confuse the black tip Barnes bullet with the blue tipped option of the same weight; that one is designed for higher velocity and is a completely different bullet, and not really appropriate for the 300.
Post by: CP on January 12, 2018, 07:02:04 AM
I have no debate that sst will work for deer 100 yards and less,anything over 100 yards I don't think you will much expansion.
Here's a artical I read awhile ago on the set for 300blk.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outdoorhub.com/amp/index.php/breaking-5-different-300-blackout-loads-terminal-ballistics
This is a 300blk forum maybe your a member already but if not lots of info,and people they say it does work.
http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/index.php
This is from hornadys website which says expansion is best a higher velocity.
The Hornady® SST® is designed to deliver tremendous shock on impact while expanding quickly and reliably, particularly at higher velocities.
Hope any info helps I'm a member on 300blk talk tons on info there Good luck.
Thanks Hunter399 - I wasn't aware of that forum. Looks like a lot of info there.
I have read that Outdoorhub article. His velocities are on the low side e.g. 1915 fps for the 125 SST. I’m getting:
125 SST – 2350 fps
110 Barnes – 2410 fps
150 SP – 2010 fps
This guy has some great data on expansion if you haven't seen it:
https://thebulletterminal.weebly.com/
No doubt the Barnes bullet expands great, but if the Chuck Hawks KPS method has any credence they made in too light. I've never been a fan of light bullets.
This is what I'm getting:
KPS @ 200y
150 SP 15.0
125 SST 14.9
110 Barnes 10.7
The 150g SST should come in even higher given it has a better BC.
Post by: CP on January 12, 2018, 07:07:52 AM
I'm still curious why your first choice is a 150gr bullet for this cartridge. What is that choice based on?
This, in part.
KPS @ 200y
150 SP 15.0
125 SST 14.9
110 Barnes 10.7
I've got a couple boxes of the black tips on my loading bench. They don't impress me. I haven't tried the Nosler
Post by: hunter399 on January 12, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016241554/barnes-vor-tx-ammunition-300-aac-blackout-120-grain-tac-tx-tipped-flat-base-lead-free-box-of-20
300 blk talk forum is so much info on bullets,pics of deer killed ,Glad u liked it. :tup:
Post by: Yondering on January 12, 2018, 10:24:49 AM
but if the Chuck Hawks KPS method has any credence
It doesn't. It's an arbitrary number made up by someone who doesn't understand what they're calculating. For example, the calculation includes multiplying sectional density by cross sectional area. Do you know what sectional density is and how that's calculated? It already includes cross sectional area. Whoever made up that formula just put some arbitrary factors together to support what they'd seen on game, ignoring bullet expansion probably because they assume it will happen.
You're completely ignoring whether or not the bullet will expand at all, and going by someone's arbitrary meaningless calculation instead. Awesome.
So you're "not impressed" by the 110gr black tip bullet - have you actually shot anything with them? Even done any penetration testing or anything like that?
The bullet you're choosing is likely to pencil through without expanding if the range is much farther than a pistol shot. Ignoring that because you're certain that bullet weight is more important is very likely to result in a wounded animal.
Post by: CP on January 12, 2018, 11:03:48 AM
but if the Chuck Hawks KPS method has any credence
It doesn't. It's an arbitrary number made up by someone who doesn't understand what they're calculating. For example, the calculation includes multiplying sectional density by cross sectional area. Do you know what sectional density is and how that's calculated? It already includes cross sectional area. Whoever made up that formula just put some arbitrary factors together to support what they'd seen on game, ignoring bullet expansion probably because they assume it will happen.
You're completely ignoring whether or not the bullet will expand at all, and going by someone's arbitrary meaningless calculation instead. Awesome.
So you're "not impressed" by the 110gr black tip bullet - have you actually shot anything with them? Even done any penetration testing or anything like that?
The bullet you're choosing is likely to pencil through without expanding if the range is much farther than a pistol shot. Ignoring that because you're certain that bullet weight is more important is very likely to result in a wounded animal.
You're probably right about Chuck. And I'll do expansion testing as I stated earlier - I'll post the results when I get them.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 12, 2018, 12:32:07 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FGroundhogs%2FDSC03390_zps11f08aa3.jpg&hash=fec3e83e95ee7a821cdde5016fbdbdd5eb9a2cbf) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Groundhogs/DSC03390_zps11f08aa3.jpg.html)
Post by: hunter399 on January 12, 2018, 02:18:22 PM
https://www.hornady.com/bullets/a-max#!/
Then I think might even be better is lever ammo,140 grain and its says at bottom that it will expand down to 800 fps.
https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/leverevolution#!/
Post by: Yondering on January 12, 2018, 02:23:03 PM
My style of expansion testing. :tup:
Haha, always a good time with that kind! Sorta hard to measure the penetration though... :)
CP - if you really are stuck on using a 150gr bullet for a cartridge designed around 110-125gr, then your best bet is a 30/30 bullet. The FTX as mentioned above or Core-Lokt RN work for that velocity range. The performance isn't better than a 125gr BT, but it's decent anyway.
Post by: hunter399 on January 12, 2018, 02:35:59 PM
Post by: CP on January 12, 2018, 03:06:49 PM
I enjoy the process otherwise I'd just buy a box of ammo and call it good.
Post by: CP on January 20, 2018, 11:14:12 AM
Post by: CP on January 20, 2018, 11:19:43 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 20, 2018, 11:45:14 AM
If you keep checking the Nosler Seconds site. When the .30 120gr BT's come into stock, you can get them for 16.00 per 50.
http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosler-products/shopby/f/caliber/30/isAjax/1.html
They have the 220gr RN-Blackout Ballistic Tips in stock for Sub Sonic or Super sonic loads. $18.00 per 50.
http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosler-products/nosler-30-caliber-220-grain-ballistic-tip-rn-blem-50ct.html
Post by: cem3434 on January 21, 2018, 03:38:23 PM
Post by: Yondering on January 21, 2018, 09:26:42 PM
Well this is not what I expected.
After our previous discussion, why did you not expect that? Did you just not want to consider the things I pointed out, or ??
At some point you might realize that some of us aren't just guessing. :dunno:
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 21, 2018, 10:22:18 PM
Well this is not what I expected.
After our previous discussion, why did you not expect that? Did you just not want to consider the things I pointed out, or ??
At some point you might realize that some of us aren't just guessing. :dunno:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: hunter399 on January 21, 2018, 10:27:54 PM
Sometimes you gotta figure it out yourself, :chuckle: :chuckle:Well this is not what I expected.
After our previous discussion, why did you not expect that? Did you just not want to consider the things I pointed out, or ??
At some point you might realize that some of us aren't just guessing. :dunno:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: CP on January 22, 2018, 06:15:42 AM
Well this is not what I expected.
After our previous discussion, why did you not expect that? Did you just not want to consider the things I pointed out, or ??
At some point you might realize that some of us aren't just guessing. :dunno:
Sorry, I don't believe everything that I read on the internet. But for the record, you were completely right, I was completely wrong.
I know a manger of a ranch in South Texas who uses a .300 SBR to control hogs. He shoots dozens a year and he swears by the 150g bullet. So, yeah, I was determined to give it a test. Now it's relegated to plinking steel plates, which it does very well, smacks them with authority.
Post by: CP on January 22, 2018, 06:18:25 AM
Sometimes you gotta figure it out yourself, :chuckle: :chuckle:Well this is not what I expected.
After our previous discussion, why did you not expect that? Did you just not want to consider the things I pointed out, or ??
At some point you might realize that some of us aren't just guessing. :dunno:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:yeah: "Trust but verify"
Next up - 150 yards shots with the Barnes and the 125g SST - after I put put my gel block back together.
Post by: Yondering on January 22, 2018, 02:00:29 PM
Well this is not what I expected.
After our previous discussion, why did you not expect that? Did you just not want to consider the things I pointed out, or ??
At some point you might realize that some of us aren't just guessing. :dunno:
Sorry, I don't believe everything that I read on the internet. But for the record, you were completely right, I was completely wrong.
I know a manger of a ranch in South Texas who uses a .300 SBR to control hogs. He shoots dozens a year and he swears by the 150g bullet. So, yeah, I was determined to give it a test. Now it's relegated to plinking steel plates, which it does very well, smacks them with authority.
Hey I don't even ask that anyone take my word for it, just think about the stuff I pointed out.
Post by: h20hunter on January 22, 2018, 02:44:27 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 22, 2018, 04:52:16 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 22, 2018, 05:07:28 PM
Post by: CP on January 22, 2018, 06:39:11 PM
Cp are you making your own gel or buying the kits? What’s your recipe if you don’t mind sharing if you are doing it DIY.
I make my own. The base recipe is 1oz powdered gelatin to 1 1/3 cups water.
https://www.amazon.com/Knox-Unflavored-Gelatin-1-lb/dp/B001UOW7D8/ref=sr_1_7_s_it?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1516674355&sr=1-7&keywords=gelatin
Just mix the powder into cold water.
That mixture goes into the frig for about an hour (don't worry about getting it clear at this step, just get the chucks mixed it.
then melt and warm that using a double boiler, get it hot to the touch, it will be pretty clear by then (clear enough anyway)
then pour it into a mold of your choice (I use Pam so doesn't stick)
back in the fridge over night
Remove it from the mold, done.
It's not to the FBI standard, but it works.
To re-mold cut it into chunks and back in the double boiler or put it in the oven at 200 degrees until melted.
Post by: h20hunter on January 22, 2018, 06:40:41 PM
We need to do this.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 22, 2018, 06:56:59 PM
I have used lots of different stuff to catch bullets and test expansion but never the gel itself. Will be nice to test a couple subsonic bullet loadings, I am curious to see if there is much for expansion on.
Post by: CP on January 24, 2018, 06:04:05 AM
The bullet passed completely through 13” of gel and lodged in the 1st backing sand bag. There was an exit wound in the bag where it looks like a large piece of jacket exited (unrecovered).
Recovered bullet weight was 92.5g (74%). No fragments were found in the gel, many were found in the sand bag. Damage to the block was extensive, almost severed in half down the middle. Significant permanent wound channel.
While I’m not thrilled with the weight retention, it appears that breakup occurred after passing through the gel. Bottom line is this will get the job done with plenty of energy to spare for a bit more range.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 24, 2018, 11:16:55 AM
Post by: yorketransport on January 24, 2018, 11:47:26 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 24, 2018, 11:56:54 AM
Post by: Yondering on January 24, 2018, 12:03:23 PM
That 125 SST is known to come apart a little easier than the 125gr NBT though, so that weight retention isn't too surprising and probably a good reflection of what it would do on impact with bone. That's why I recommended the Ballistic Tip or Barnes 110 black tip earlier.
Post by: CP on January 24, 2018, 12:20:58 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 24, 2018, 01:17:39 PM
I'll try a down loaded Barnes next with some water jugs as backup.
I would like to see those results.
Post by: Dan-o on January 24, 2018, 02:39:55 PM
Thanks much for sharing results as you go.
Post by: CP on January 25, 2018, 11:30:49 AM
Target velocity was 2014fps to simulate 150yards but again I came in a bit hot at 2080fps, so more like 125 yards. 1057 Ft-Lbs of energy.
Recovered weight = 107.5g. Text book expansion.
I ended up using newspaper as the 1st backstop and the bullet penetrated the 13” of gel and was recovered about ½” inch into the paper.
The permanent wound cavity was quite a bit smaller both in diameter and length than the SST’s wound cavity. Expansion started less than 2” into the gel and the major damage only went about 5”. Considerably less overall damage than the SST produced.
I haven’t formed any hard conclusions yet but it appears this is near the edge if not already beyond the effective range of this bullet.
Post by: h20hunter on January 25, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
Post by: Yondering on January 25, 2018, 01:12:30 PM
Post by: CP on January 25, 2018, 03:22:42 PM
yep, more water jugs or wet paper to catch it.
That 125 SST is known to come apart a little easier than the 125gr NBT though, so that weight retention isn't too surprising and probably a good reflection of what it would do on impact with bone. That's why I recommended the Ballistic Tip or Barnes 110 black tip earlier.
Midway now has the 125 Nolser BT in stock. I think I'll give them a try next.
Post by: CP on January 27, 2018, 12:06:27 PM
Very thin jacket on this bullet - for varmints only.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 27, 2018, 02:02:14 PM
Post by: b23 on January 27, 2018, 02:26:47 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 27, 2018, 03:04:30 PM
I've gotta quit looking at this thread because I've been jonesing for a 300 BLK. I just can't decide if I want to get a shorty upper for my Sig MCX or a CZ 527 300 BLK.
The 527 is cool.
Post by: b23 on January 27, 2018, 03:59:35 PM
I've gotta quit looking at this thread because I've been jonesing for a 300 BLK. I just can't decide if I want to get a shorty upper for my Sig MCX or a CZ 527 300 BLK.
The 527 is cool.
I think they're both pretty cool but the 527 would definitely be a lot more useful, that's for sure.