Post by: wheels on May 03, 2017, 12:36:51 AM
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Post by: ctwiggs1 on May 03, 2017, 05:27:50 AM
You could also get drawn your first year.
Good luck! :tup:
Post by: benhuntin on May 03, 2017, 07:37:53 AM
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Post by: Bob33 on May 03, 2017, 07:46:53 AM
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Post by: 3boys on May 03, 2017, 08:13:10 AM
Happens every year.Yes it does! I drew with 8
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Post by: BeerBugler on May 03, 2017, 08:39:16 AM
The special permit drawing system is similar to pulling tickets out of a barrel. Building points gives an applicant more tickets. The system also squares points. That means a person with one point ends up with one entry (1x1=1) and a person with 10 points ends up with 100 entries (10x10=100).
The system randomly pulls out all these tickets in order. At the end, each application will keep and use the lowest number it drew. Lower numbers are better in this case, as an application assigned the number one earns the first overall pick. With more points, an application has a better chance of drawing a better pick.
You'll have a hundred tickets in the barrel.....but it's a big ass barrel!
Post by: Bob33 on May 03, 2017, 09:12:13 AM
I computed the estimated odds of drawing one of the four choices at various applicant point levels as shown here:
- 1 point: 1 in 13,270
- 5 points: 1 in 530
- 10 points: 1 in 135
- 15 points: 1 in 60
- 20 points: 1 in 35
- 24 points: 1 in 25
It's very easy to compute the odds of drawing if one doesn't apply.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 03, 2017, 09:20:31 AM
I ran a more precise estimate of the odds of drawing an “any moose” permit. My assumption was that the applicant applied for four hunt choices: (1) 49 Degrees North A Early, (2) 49 Degrees North A Late, (3) Selkirk, (4) Kettle Range. (The order does not matter in overall draw odds.)
I computed the estimated odds of drawing one of the four choices at various applicant point levels as shown here:
- 1 point: 1 in 13,270
- 5 points: 1 in 530
- 10 points: 1 in 135
- 15 points: 1 in 60
- 20 points: 1 in 35
- 24 points: 1 in 25
It's very easy to compute the odds of drawing if one doesn't apply.
So with 15 points I shouldn't worry about camp reservations just yet ? Odds look just slightly worse than drawing Wenaha - arghhhhh
Post by: sagerat on May 03, 2017, 09:43:43 AM
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 03, 2017, 12:34:01 PM
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Post by: stickman999 on May 03, 2017, 12:48:56 PM
Post by: wheels on May 03, 2017, 02:22:37 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on May 03, 2017, 03:16:02 PM
I drew Selkirk with 4.lets see what 4 points got you!
Post by: steeleywhopper on May 04, 2017, 02:07:23 AM
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 04, 2017, 07:08:34 AM
thanks im sitting on 9 or 10 not counting this year in all but 65 and youthEach year the average number of points goes up and because its squared that means if you are below average number of points your odds actually decrease each year :yike: I think the average was around 8 ? so at least your odds aren't dropping. :tup: Just a lil luck needed.
Post by: Dhoey07 on May 04, 2017, 07:35:26 AM
Post by: stickman999 on May 04, 2017, 10:28:42 AM
I drew Selkirk with 4.lets see what 4 points got you!
I heard this bull late the previous day in a swampy area I located on a map so the next morning I snuck in and did a little cow call and he came in hot right to me. Maybe a 40 yard shot. My only regret is I didn't call him closer to the road.
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 04, 2017, 11:44:55 AM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on May 05, 2017, 10:18:33 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 05, 2017, 11:21:51 AM
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Post by: Falcon on May 07, 2017, 09:14:56 AM
If you want to get slightly better odds, swing for the fences on your first pic, and than go with the sleeper units with better odds. That's what I did :tup:
Post by: cem3434 on May 07, 2017, 10:32:11 AM
Post by: wheels on May 07, 2017, 11:46:06 AM
Post by: cem3434 on May 07, 2017, 12:34:33 PM
didnt there are sleeper units except maybe spokane west and hangman maybe i just look for what i can get around in
If you are lucky enough to draw a tag in any WA unit, filling the tag should be the easy part. Even being handicapped, I have all the faith that you wouldn't have to worry about filling the tag if you're not trophy hunting. Many people on this forum, myself included, would have no problem helping you out if you are one of the few lucky ones to draw. The reality is most bulls are probably killed within a couple hundred yards of the road, so don't hold back or feel like you can't put in for some of the other units if you'd like to. Good luck to you in the draw! :tup:
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Post by: First timer on May 13, 2017, 10:00:11 AM
Post by: Falcon on May 13, 2017, 10:39:29 AM
I'll have 20 points this year. But have had my cousin draw his first ever year putting in. Another year my dad and brother both got drawn and they weren't partners. You just never know when it's your time to get lucky..
First Timer: With 20 points you are a heck of a lot better off than a guy with just a few points.
That's 400 ping pong balls in the hopper. Best of luck👊💥👊
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on May 13, 2017, 11:23:40 AM
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Post by: First timer on May 13, 2017, 12:50:23 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2017, 12:53:34 PM
My dad is one of about 4 people who has put in every year since the point system started and still not drawn(any moose)
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Only 4 people? I think there's a whole lot more people than that who have been applying for moose since the point system started and haven't drawn. I'm thinking maybe more like 4 hundred people.
Post by: tchoutacabouffa on May 13, 2017, 01:06:47 PM
The reality is most guys/gals will never draw in Washington because there are too many hunters and not enough tags. If you really want to kill a moose, apply in Idaho. The tag and license is around $2350, but I drew a tag my second year applying. Some of there units are better than 1:4 for non-resident draw odds. :twocents:I drew my first year. In a great unit where only 7 non residents even applied. This unit give a tag to non residents yearly.
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Post by: wheels on May 13, 2017, 02:05:36 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 13, 2017, 02:10:23 PM
My dad is one of about 4 people who has put in every year since the point system started and still not drawn(any moose)
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Only 4 people? I think there's a whole lot more people than that who have been applying for moose since the point system started and haven't drawn. I'm thinking maybe more like 4 hundred people.
Post by: Pinetar on May 13, 2017, 02:38:58 PM
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Post by: Bob33 on May 13, 2017, 04:55:21 PM
BOB did you get that off the wdfw s9ite ?Yes.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on May 13, 2017, 08:55:39 PM
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Post by: wheels on May 14, 2017, 01:44:24 AM
Post by: westside bull on May 14, 2017, 07:19:19 AM
I'll have 20 points this year. But have had my cousin draw his first ever year putting in. Another year my dad and brother both got drawn and they weren't partners. You just never know when it's your time to get lucky.Holy cow who does your family know at wdfw?? :chuckle:
Post by: Bullkllr on May 14, 2017, 12:34:37 PM
My dad is one of about 4 people who has put in every year since the point system started and still not drawn(any moose)
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Only 4 people? I think there's a whole lot more people than that who have been applying for moose since the point system started and haven't drawn. I'm thinking maybe more like 4 hundred people.
I thought that data was interesting, so I looked at what they showed for other categories. Across the board, the summaries show top-points applicants as drawing at a very low rate.
But at first glance, some of the numbers don't jibe 100%.
On the summary for antlerless deer, for example, here: http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2016.php (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2016.php) (don't now how to post the screen shot) shows 1 unsuccessful applicant with 21 points, another with 20 points, and 3 more with 19 points (all unsuccessful).
While it seems somewhat unlikely to not draw an antlerless deer permit with over 20 points (much less unlikely than for moose, imo), things get confusing when I look at the pfd by-hunt-breakdown of applicants here http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2016category_points_antlerlessdeer.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2016category_points_antlerlessdeer.pdf)
This report lists NO applicants with either 20 or 21 applying for any hunts, and it only lists 1 of the 3 with 19 points as applying unsuccessfully. I looked several times and I don't think I overlooked them.
The summary results for 2nd deer are even more confusing. It shows the overall rate of drawing (all tags divided by all apps) as 1:3.39. Apps with 1 point drew at a rate of 1:3.87, while the top points apps (>12 pts) drew at a 1:40 rate. This makes no mathematical sense to me.
I'm not saying the results from moose are the same (I will look at that in more detail when I have time), but if it is- something is up with those discrepancies. There could be a logical reason- like the summary includes points options and has them listed as unsuccessful- or it includes them as individual applicants who applied as a group. Or it could be the numbers are off somehow :dunno:
Just thought it was interesting...
Post by: Bob33 on May 14, 2017, 01:04:54 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on May 14, 2017, 01:24:08 PM
There are several individuals with maximum points who apply for points only, which may be part of the reason they have max points.
So, do you think the summary lists them as "unsuccessful" if they applied for points only?
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on May 14, 2017, 01:42:18 PM
I'm thinking if you don't ultimately draw a tag they count you as unsuccessful in the summary yes.There are several individuals with maximum points who apply for points only, which may be part of the reason they have max points.
So, do you think the summary lists them as "unsuccessful" if they applied for points only?
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Post by: Bob33 on May 14, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
The column is titled "Winning" and points only applications would not be considered a winning application.There are several individuals with maximum points who apply for points only, which may be part of the reason they have max points.
So, do you think the summary lists them as "unsuccessful" if they applied for points only?
Post by: Stein on May 14, 2017, 03:47:42 PM
Plus, max and max-1 didn't draw and only 4 out of 142 people with 20+ points drew. This is where you get point creep, when there aren't enough tags to clear out the people at the top and the number of names in the hat grows exponentially every year.
Post by: Bullkllr on May 14, 2017, 04:12:31 PM
The column is titled "Winning" and points only applications would not be considered a winning application.There are several individuals with maximum points who apply for points only, which may be part of the reason they have max points.
So, do you think the summary lists them as "unsuccessful" if they applied for points only?
That makes sense :tup:
So in many categories (less for OILs), a lot with the top points seem to be doing points only. Someone has 29 points for antlerless elk, and bought another point. In fact, only 1 of the 33 with 20 or more points didn't do points only for antlerless elk (and didn't draw Pine Mtn. Ranch fwiw). Plausible; still seems a bit weird.
Post by: Bob33 on May 14, 2017, 04:25:25 PM
That is most likely the case. In addition, some applicants with maximum points have a bias. They are applying for the most difficult to draw hunts, and possibly only applying for one hunt choice versus multiple hunts.The column is titled "Winning" and points only applications would not be considered a winning application.There are several individuals with maximum points who apply for points only, which may be part of the reason they have max points.
So, do you think the summary lists them as "unsuccessful" if they applied for points only?
That makes sense :tup:
So in many categories (less for OILs), a lot with the top points seem to be doing "points only" then.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on May 14, 2017, 06:18:16 PM
Any way you slice it, there were 677,975 names in the hat. Even with 23 points, your chance of being drawn first was 0.078%. There were 35 tags and you could put in for four choices, but your odds are dismal even with max points.Everybody's odds are decreasing every year, those with higher points are just decreasing at a slightly lower rate
Plus, max and max-1 didn't draw and only 4 out of 142 people with 20+ points drew. This is where you get point creep, when there aren't enough tags to clear out the people at the top and the number of names in the hat grows exponentially every year.
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Post by: Bob33 on May 14, 2017, 06:21:31 PM
Applicants with low point totals have increasing odds. Someone with one point has one name in the hat this year; next year he will have four: a 300% increase. That's the primary reason overall odds decrease.Any way you slice it, there were 677,975 names in the hat. Even with 23 points, your chance of being drawn first was 0.078%. There were 35 tags and you could put in for four choices, but your odds are dismal even with max points.Everybody's odds are decreasing every year, those with higher points are just decreasing at a slightly lower rate
Plus, max and max-1 didn't draw and only 4 out of 142 people with 20+ points drew. This is where you get point creep, when there aren't enough tags to clear out the people at the top and the number of names in the hat grows exponentially every year.
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Post by: andrew_in_idaho on May 14, 2017, 07:07:28 PM
Applicants with low point totals have increasing odds. Someone with one point has one name in the hat this year; next year he will have four: a 300% increase. That's the primary reason overall odds decrease.Any way you slice it, there were 677,975 names in the hat. Even with 23 points, your chance of being drawn first was 0.078%. There were 35 tags and you could put in for four choices, but your odds are dismal even with max points.Everybody's odds are decreasing every year, those with higher points are just decreasing at a slightly lower rate
Plus, max and max-1 didn't draw and only 4 out of 142 people with 20+ points drew. This is where you get point creep, when there aren't enough tags to clear out the people at the top and the number of names in the hat grows exponentially every year.
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I would venture to guess that the 3 extra names in the hat is far outweighed by the 1000's of people who are gaining an extra 10 or 20 names in the hat.
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Post by: Bob33 on May 14, 2017, 07:14:04 PM
On average, the total number of "names in the hat" for quality hunts increases by about 15% per year. Someone with one point gets 300% more points going from year one to year two, and thus gains ground. Someone with 20 points gets only 10% more points going from year 20 to year 21 (400 to 441), and thus loses ground.Applicants with low point totals have increasing odds. Someone with one point has one name in the hat this year; next year he will have four: a 300% increase. That's the primary reason overall odds decrease.Any way you slice it, there were 677,975 names in the hat. Even with 23 points, your chance of being drawn first was 0.078%. There were 35 tags and you could put in for four choices, but your odds are dismal even with max points.Everybody's odds are decreasing every year, those with higher points are just decreasing at a slightly lower rate
Plus, max and max-1 didn't draw and only 4 out of 142 people with 20+ points drew. This is where you get point creep, when there aren't enough tags to clear out the people at the top and the number of names in the hat grows exponentially every year.
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I would venture to guess that the 3 extra names in the hat is far outweighed by the 1000's of people who are gaining an extra 10 or 20 names in the hat.
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Post by: Miles on May 19, 2017, 08:46:47 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 19, 2017, 09:54:01 AM
Post by: huntnnw on May 22, 2017, 05:37:43 AM
I wouldn't waste my time applying for WA moose. There are better options, that include hunting moose before you die of old age.
:yeah: pony up the money for ID.. You will be moose hunting in a few years
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 22, 2017, 05:40:21 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on May 22, 2017, 06:01:01 AM
It's a Lottery.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2016category_points_anymoose.pdf
Post by: jkononen on May 25, 2017, 02:01:22 PM
Here are the 2016 stats. Some of the tags went to folks with 2 or 3 points.The 2 and 3 point winners for 49 degrees north we're a 10 year old and a 11 or 12 year old. Both from Skagit valley.
It's a Lottery.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2016category_points_anymoose.pdf
Post by: smithjacksonsublette on June 28, 2017, 08:14:58 PM
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Post by: Buckblaster on September 19, 2017, 12:45:37 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 19, 2017, 01:26:09 PM
Post by: Buckblaster on September 19, 2017, 01:41:51 PM
Post by: Falcon on September 19, 2017, 03:05:17 PM
Max points right now is 22, and the data posted was from the previous year, so it looks like there are 310 people with "max points."
Bcat..................You're a shoe in next year for a moose tag :drool:
Post by: Buckblaster on September 19, 2017, 03:11:26 PM
Post by: Bob33 on September 19, 2017, 03:31:28 PM
Max points right now is 22, and the data posted was from the previous year, so it looks like there are 310 people with "max points."
Post by: Falcon on September 19, 2017, 04:12:51 PM
Max points right now is 22, and the data posted was from the previous year, so it looks like there are 310 people with "max points."
With 21 points, you had a 4.5% chance of drawing, and probably much more if you picked easier to draw units. Still tough odds, but much better odds than winning the lottery :tup:
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on September 19, 2017, 04:33:57 PM
6x6=36 chances per applicant
36x24,675=888,300 total names in the "barrel" so to speak
23 points gets you 529 chances
So 529/888,300=0.00059552 or about 0.059552% chance to draw any 1 "any moose" tag as a top point holder in Washington state.
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Post by: Bob33 on September 19, 2017, 04:51:18 PM
Just doing some quick calculations, assuming that you were in the 23 point category your odds are actually about 0.059% to draw a tag. Calculated that figure by taking 24675applicants, adding up from the bottom until I reached the midway point(12,337) to figure that the average applicant has somewhere around 6 pointsThe odds a little better. Not all applicants apply for the same hunts, and applicants can select up to four choices.
6x6=36 chances per applicant
36x24,675=888,300 total names in the "barrel" so to speak
23 points gets you 529 chances
So 529/888,300=0.00059552 or about 0.059552% chance to draw any 1 "any moose" tag as a top point holder in Washington state.
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Post by: andrew_in_idaho on September 20, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
Slightly but the fact that everybody can choose up to 4 choices is actually part of what makes the odds so bad. I'm just saying if you take an overall look at the odds of drawing you can assume that your overall odds of picking any 4 units and putting in an application your odds of drawing are extremely terrible, far from the 4.5% somebody said they are.Just doing some quick calculations, assuming that you were in the 23 point category your odds are actually about 0.059% to draw a tag. Calculated that figure by taking 24675applicants, adding up from the bottom until I reached the midway point(12,337) to figure that the average applicant has somewhere around 6 pointsThe odds a little better. Not all applicants apply for the same hunts, and applicants can select up to four choices.
6x6=36 chances per applicant
36x24,675=888,300 total names in the "barrel" so to speak
23 points gets you 529 chances
So 529/888,300=0.00059552 or about 0.059552% chance to draw any 1 "any moose" tag as a top point holder in Washington state.
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Post by: Bob33 on September 20, 2017, 07:29:20 AM
The odds are not good.Slightly but the fact that everybody can choose up to 4 choices is actually part of what makes the odds so bad. I'm just saying if you take an overall look at the odds of drawing you can assume that your overall odds of picking any 4 units and putting in an application your odds of drawing are extremely terrible, far from the 4.5% somebody said they are.Just doing some quick calculations, assuming that you were in the 23 point category your odds are actually about 0.059% to draw a tag. Calculated that figure by taking 24675applicants, adding up from the bottom until I reached the midway point(12,337) to figure that the average applicant has somewhere around 6 pointsThe odds a little better. Not all applicants apply for the same hunts, and applicants can select up to four choices.
6x6=36 chances per applicant
36x24,675=888,300 total names in the "barrel" so to speak
23 points gets you 529 chances
So 529/888,300=0.00059552 or about 0.059552% chance to draw any 1 "any moose" tag as a top point holder in Washington state.
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One problem in looking at the aggregate applications (24,675) is that a portion of them are for points only. The number of applications for "points only" last year was 5,351; those applications can be discarded for consideration of odds.
The best way to evaluate odds is to look at individual hunts. A popular Any Moose permit is the 49 Degrees - Early hunt. Last year there were 11,395 applications for 15 permits. The average points per application was 9.9. Summing up the number of "names in the hat" for all applications totaled 1,117,047. Someone with 23 points would have 529 "names in the hat". Odds of one of the 529 being drawn from the 1,117,047 would be approximately .000474 (1 in 2,111). However, he has a chance to get a permit on each of the 15 draws, so the approximately odds of being drawn come out to about 1 in 140 for that hunt.
Post by: boneaddict on September 20, 2017, 08:20:01 AM
Post by: Falcon on September 20, 2017, 11:39:42 AM
As I have noted on here many times....POINTS ARE THE DEVIL
Agreed, but when you draw, its kind of nice to dance with the Devil :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on September 20, 2017, 12:07:12 PM
Post by: Bob33 on September 20, 2017, 12:17:22 PM
I don't understand why a young hunter would want to start acquiring OIL pts in WA.Low cost, lots of years to accumulate points and increase a chance of drawing. I don't understand why an older person would want to start.
Post by: Stein on September 20, 2017, 12:29:09 PM
I don't understand why a young hunter would want to start acquiring OIL pts in WA.Low cost, lots of years to accumulate points and increase a chance of drawing. I don't understand why an older person would want to start.
:yeah:
I didn't start accumulating WA points until I was about 38. Seems pointless other than the fact that a small chance beats zero chance.
Post by: bobcat on September 20, 2017, 12:29:34 PM
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Post by: KFhunter on September 20, 2017, 12:37:30 PM
After 20+ years of putting in for a moose and seeing folks drawing with 10 or less years I'd be bitter about it - thus I abstain.
"it's only $14" no, it's not. I'll gladly take my $2350 to Idaho.
Post by: bobcat on September 20, 2017, 12:43:34 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 20, 2017, 12:47:03 PM
Post by: Bob33 on September 20, 2017, 12:48:24 PM
$14 dollars sure...and 23 years of disappointment, disappointment that builds each consecutive year, how many years of disappointment before you go beyond mere disappointment and fill bitter each year when you aren't selected? 15? 20? 23? 25?Bitterness and disappointment comes primarily from not understanding the true odds and how Washington's draw system works. Twenty years at $14/year is $280 and gives one a chance (yes a small one) of being drawn in your home state; that seems like a reasonable cost to many.
After 20+ years of putting in for a moose and seeing folks drawing with 10 or less years I'd be bitter about it - thus I abstain.
"it's only $14" no, it's not. I'll gladly take my $2350 to Idaho.
I also believe that anyone who really wants to hunt moose in his lifetime shouldn't count on ever getting the opportunity in Washington.
Post by: KFhunter on September 20, 2017, 12:55:22 PM
Post by: Falcon on September 21, 2017, 03:06:51 PM
In for moose each year have drawn. If you put down 4 choices
And do your research on units that aren't legendary your chances
Go up quite a bit. Moose permits are quite a bit easier than sheep and
Goat. Those 2 are getting extremely hard to draw :twocents:
Post by: TriggerMike on February 14, 2024, 06:50:40 PM
Do they still post this data every year on the wdfw website? I can't find it.My dad is one of about 4 people who has put in every year since the point system started and still not drawn(any moose)
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Only 4 people? I think there's a whole lot more people than that who have been applying for moose since the point system started and haven't drawn. I'm thinking maybe more like 4 hundred people.
I thought that data was interesting, so I looked at what they showed for other categories. Across the board, the summaries show top-points applicants as drawing at a very low rate.
But at first glance, some of the numbers don't jibe 100%.
On the summary for antlerless deer, for example, here: http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2016.php (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2016.php) (don't now how to post the screen shot) shows 1 unsuccessful applicant with 21 points, another with 20 points, and 3 more with 19 points (all unsuccessful).
While it seems somewhat unlikely to not draw an antlerless deer permit with over 20 points (much less unlikely than for moose, imo), things get confusing when I look at the pfd by-hunt-breakdown of applicants here http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2016category_points_antlerlessdeer.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/results/points/2016category_points_antlerlessdeer.pdf)
This report lists NO applicants with either 20 or 21 applying for any hunts, and it only lists 1 of the 3 with 19 points as applying unsuccessfully. I looked several times and I don't think I overlooked them.
The summary results for 2nd deer are even more confusing. It shows the overall rate of drawing (all tags divided by all apps) as 1:3.39. Apps with 1 point drew at a rate of 1:3.87, while the top points apps (>12 pts) drew at a 1:40 rate. This makes no mathematical sense to me.
I'm not saying the results from moose are the same (I will look at that in more detail when I have time), but if it is- something is up with those discrepancies. There could be a logical reason- like the summary includes points options and has them listed as unsuccessful- or it includes them as individual applicants who applied as a group. Or it could be the numbers are off somehow :dunno:
Just thought it was interesting...
Post by: TriggerMike on February 14, 2024, 06:52:09 PM
Bob,Max points right now is 22, and the data posted was from the previous year, so it looks like there are 310 people with "max points."
Where did you find this data at? I can't find it on the website anymore but I'm assuming they still publish it?
Post by: HereDuckyDucky on February 15, 2024, 05:35:33 AM
RW
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Post by: Ridgerunner on February 15, 2024, 01:58:52 PM
Bob,Max points right now is 22, and the data posted was from the previous year, so it looks like there are 310 people with "max points."
Where did you find this data at? I can't find it on the website anymore but I'm assuming they still publish it?
They haven't published this data for at least two years, super frustrating.
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Post by: Antlershed on April 14, 2024, 07:52:20 PM
How do they have a choice to not publish?? Couldn't it be requested?From the website….
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Post by: TriggerMike on July 10, 2024, 09:35:10 PM
After today's draw fiasco with the license vendor I'm pretty sure we know why they don't publish this data anymore!Bob,Max points right now is 22, and the data posted was from the previous year, so it looks like there are 310 people with "max points."
Where did you find this data at? I can't find it on the website anymore but I'm assuming they still publish it?
They haven't published this data for at least two years, super frustrating.