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Title: New .45 acp pistol, full size.
Post by: Bofire on May 08, 2017, 05:55:33 PM: :) OK guys, what say you of these two guns.
Carl
Title: Re: New .45 acp pistol, full size.
Post by: elkaholic123 on May 08, 2017, 06:07:07 PM: Sig, I love my Scorpion 40s&w
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 08, 2017, 06:28:07 PM: Sig,Because it's not a Glock.

GLOCKS ARE JUNK.Take a minute and read the horror stories on the web.
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Post by: Alchase on May 08, 2017, 06:31:35 PM: Sig, mainly because I don't care for the grip angle on Glocks.
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Post by: Bofire on May 08, 2017, 07:54:17 PM: Glocks have a steep grip angle, if you are used to 1911. Had two 40 cal. Sigs compacts was not real impressed, not real accurate.
This new 320 is intriguing.
I have put thousands of rounds thru Glock "junk", I find them a fine gun. I have glocks, I have 1911's, need more revolvers :tup:, I do not have a Sig. caliber change kit from Sig is $400.00 :) cool!
Think I'll go rent one, a sig 320 that is.
Thanks
Carl
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Post by: elkaholic123 on May 08, 2017, 08:00:25 PM: Sig Emperor Scorpion 1911.
Ask BiggerHammer if you can shoot one of his? I think he has 2 of em😉
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Post by: Bofire on May 08, 2017, 08:05:19 PM: No thanks have lots of 1911's some real fancy ones.
Glock 21SF or Sig 320
Carl
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Post by: buglebrush on May 08, 2017, 08:21:15 PM: Between those two it would definitely be the SIG. However, I really prefer the XD Tactical. :sry:
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Post by: Bofire on May 08, 2017, 09:18:03 PM: LOL
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Post by: high country on May 08, 2017, 09:21:16 PM: I have the g20sf which is the same frame, I find it to be one of the most awkward guns to shoot. It is reliable as the sun, but not as natural to me as a 1911.

Never touched the sig.
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 08, 2017, 09:21:21 PM: Quote from: elkaholic123 on May 08, 2017, 08:00:25 PM
Sig Emperor Scorpion 1911.
Ask BiggerHammer if you can shoot one of his? I think he has 2 of em😉

And they shoot! I abuse mine every chance I get. A 300+ round shooting session is great therapy.

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But then again I owned the Glock 21SF and the grip fit me better that the standard Gen3 Glock 21 back then. Once the Glock 21 Gen4 came out with the interchangeable back straps. I preferred it over the 21SF.

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Post by: 2labs on May 08, 2017, 10:30:13 PM: Glocks are junk said the cop that depends on it daily :dunno:
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 08, 2017, 11:04:22 PM: More cops depend on the Sig :yike:
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 08, 2017, 11:50:52 PM: I like both Glock and Sig. You can toss all the M&P's in the trash😷.
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Post by: Alchase on May 09, 2017, 09:47:54 AM: I had a G20, 10mm, for years. Loved it.
Then one day out of the blue the grip angle started bothering me.
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Post by: Bofire on May 09, 2017, 10:20:06 AM: thanks guys!! Champion arms in Kent has the sigs for rent, I am gonna try one. I have glocks, 1911s, Berettas, one Walther, Rugers and others, but no Sig. hmmmmmm :dunno:
Carl :)
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Post by: tlbradford on May 09, 2017, 10:53:05 AM: They both look nice. I didn't vote since I haven't shot the Sig. The only Sig 45 that interested me before was the GSR. That Scorpion that Biggerhammer has looks like it's grandson. Have fun at the range and let us know what you think after shooting them.
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Post by: Special T on May 09, 2017, 10:57:00 AM: I hear the grip on the Not a Glock polymer 80% frames has the same rake as a 1911.

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Post by: Yondering on May 09, 2017, 11:09:12 AM: The gen3 G21 SF is the gun that got me to like Glocks again, after swearing them off for a long time. Very accurate, feeds almost anything, and stone simple.

The grip angle thing always comes up when someone mentions the G word. In my experience - the guys who complain about it don't practice enough, if at all, with that platform. Grip angle is subjective to what you've practiced with, it's not a "natural" thing like some claim. If you're committed to actually practicing and being good with a pistol, grip angle shouldn't be an issue.
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Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 09, 2017, 02:33:56 PM: Glocks are to cheeseburgers as Sigs are to ribeyes.
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Post by: Yondering on May 09, 2017, 03:04:20 PM: The Sig 320 isn't any more "high class" than a Glock; they are a direct competitor targeting the same market and similar price point. Claims to the contrary are based on perception or myth, not reality.
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Post by: Alchase on May 09, 2017, 03:31:40 PM: Quote from: Yondering on May 09, 2017, 11:09:12 AM

The grip angle thing always comes up when someone mentions the G word. In my experience - the guys who complain about it don't practice enough, if at all, with that platform. Grip angle is subjective to what you've practiced with, it's not a "natural" thing like some claim. If you're committed to actually practicing and being good with a pistol, grip angle shouldn't be an issue.

Actually I believe just the opposite.

If you practice allot, you should shoot a weapon you actually enjoy shooting.

Not adapt to a pistol that you are not comfortable with, whether that pistol is a Glock, Kimber, Sig, etc...

Everything about a pistol from the grip, caliber, trigger, sights and even color is suggestive.
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Post by: Yondering on May 09, 2017, 08:07:05 PM: Whatever you practice with a lot will become natural. I'm talking about grip angle, not sights, or what shade of pink flowers are on the side.

The guys who think Glocks have an unnatural grip angle are the guys who have most of their practice with 1911s or something with that angle. The opposite is true as well, except for guys who actually really do shoot a lot with all sorts of guns and realize the grip angle doesn't matter so much.
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Post by: Alchase on May 09, 2017, 11:12:13 PM: Quote from: Yondering on May 09, 2017, 08:07:05 PM
Whatever you practice with a lot will become natural. I'm talking about grip angle, not sights, or what shade of pink flowers are on the side.

The guys who think Glocks have an unnatural grip angle are the guys who have most of their practice with 1911s or something with that angle. The opposite is true as well, except for guys who actually really do shoot a lot with all sorts of guns and realize the grip angle doesn't matter so much.

Maybe the grip angle does not matter to you, to me it means I no longer wish to shoot a Glock, and I can shoot what ever I please.
I never said Glocks have an unnatural grip angle, or that Glocks are not good pistols.
I said Glocks have a grip angle I prefer not to shoot. Apparently others feel the same way.
I did break my cherry on 1911s. I also had a Beretta M9 as my service pistol for a time. Still own Kimber's, and Springfield's. I also owned Glocks and liked them, up until the grip angle started to bother me.
I never got tired of the grip angle on any other pistols, though I did change my choice of caliber, sights, trigger, grip angle is no different. It is all about the individuals personnel choice.
If a Glock's grip angles suits your grip, more power to you. I hope it shoots well for you.

Please do not belittle others by saying they do not shoot enough just because they choose to not like the grip angle on Glock, or any other pistol just to justify your own preference in firearm.

Like what was said earlier, everything about a pistol is suggestive.
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Post by: 762Armo on May 10, 2017, 12:41:24 AM: Sig over Glock. CZ over anything.
Check out the CZ97
:)
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 10, 2017, 07:13:54 AM: Quote from: 762Armo on May 10, 2017, 12:41:24 AM
Sig over Glock. CZ over anything.
Check out the CZ97
:)

I've read and heard allot about the CZ's lately but have never shot one.
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Post by: Miles on May 10, 2017, 07:23:54 AM: I really enjoy shooting my Sig P320 compact. I also like the fact I can order barrels and different frames easily and have them shipped to my door.
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Post by: PlateauNDN on May 10, 2017, 08:08:34 AM: Glock and Sig???? Owned both and enjoyed both, I've always been partial to a .45 regardless of apples and oranges. Shoot both and find out which one YOU like, or just buy both. :tup: :chuckle:
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Post by: Alchase on May 10, 2017, 11:09:02 AM: Quote from: PlateauNDN on May 10, 2017, 08:08:34 AM
Shoot both and find out which one YOU like, or just buy both. :tup: :chuckle:

Leave it to Plat to bring sensibility into gunfight, Nice!
LOL
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Post by: Bofire on May 26, 2017, 05:38:43 PM: :) Sig P320 followed me home today, Mom says I can keep it! :)
Carl
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Post by: Alchase on May 26, 2017, 07:25:37 PM: Congrats on the new family member!
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Post by: pianoman9701 on May 27, 2017, 10:34:59 AM: I would likely buy the Sig over the Glock because the NH factory is near Mom's house and they have a test range in Epping NH. I have a 4" XD that makes me very happy to fling brass. When I aim it right, it hits the target and never jams.
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Post by: b23 on May 27, 2017, 11:55:24 AM: I'm a little surprised at the poll results, with the following Glocks typically have, I'd have thought the results would have been the opposite of what they actually are.

I've got Sigs and Glocks, me personally, I like Sigs better but it seems every time I'm out shooting there are a lot more Glocks, especially the Glock 21's.
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Post by: timberfaller on May 27, 2017, 02:41:15 PM: I've had Gold Cups, Rugers in 45. Had a early Nurinco 1911 that out shot the Gold cups. Had a HK but not for long, didn't like my second finger!

HAVE 21's now and would buy more!
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Post by: Bofire on May 27, 2017, 02:55:32 PM: :) I read recently, have not checked it in any way. BUT this article said 55-70 percent of American cops carry Glocks.
Carl
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Post by: Bofire on May 27, 2017, 08:23:01 PM: :) cleaned the sig yesterday and put 50 rounds thru it. adjusting to the trigger. nice sights, 30 more rounds today. group is tightening up. The trigger is gonna take some time and ammo to get used to. very low recoil. seems accurate. I like it. ordered a holster today.
I like Glocks and own some. if you like the 21 take a look at the 41, it almost came home. :chuckle: still might.
anyway I am happy so far, I think I will put the glocks and 1911s away for a couple months and put 1000 or so thru the sig.
Carl
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Post by: Biggerhammer on May 28, 2017, 12:07:22 AM: Sigs are great and I own my share of them. I like Glocks, their a work horse and they go bang every time and I don't care if I have one in the center counsel, glove box, tool box, tackle box or tossed under a truck seat. Who cares glocks are what they are, dependable and accurate. I would never toss my Sig Scorpion or Nightmare under the seat or in a tool box and pound down mountain roads.

I've debated purchasing a 320 but wanted to see how they played out.
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Post by: Bofire on May 28, 2017, 09:41:23 AM: :) yep thing I like best about my glocks is I don't care what happens to them!! LOL
Carl
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Post by: Yondering on May 28, 2017, 01:45:36 PM: Quote from: b23 on May 27, 2017, 11:55:24 AM
I'm a little surprised at the poll results, with the following Glocks typically have, I'd have thought the results would have been the opposite of what they actually are.

I've got Sigs and Glocks, me personally, I like Sigs better but it seems every time I'm out shooting there are a lot more Glocks, especially the Glock 21's.

I'd wager most people using Glocks on a daily basis just don't bother with polls like this one. It's the endless Ford vs Chevy debate just in a different form, where most of the opinions voiced are by people who happened to buy one or the other first and feel the need to validate that decision. There are exceptions, but for the most part it really doesn't matter.

Glocks are well proven and those who know, already know. The 320 is pretty new and relatively unproven with a lot of hype and conjecture out there, especially with guys trying to equate them to the aluminum frame guns.