Post by: Roundhead on May 09, 2017, 12:19:16 PM
Post by: Ice Cap on May 09, 2017, 12:48:54 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 09, 2017, 12:58:01 PM
Post by: bigtex on May 09, 2017, 01:31:56 PM
Looks to me like just peoples names, not the incidents.:yeah:
This is a terrible thread title. The bill (now law) does not hide the incident, just the individuals involved.
Post by: jackelope on May 09, 2017, 01:35:23 PM
OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) — A new state law will exempt from public disclosure personal information about people who report or respond to wolf attacks in Washington state.
Gov. Jay Inslee signed House Bill 1465 into law Monday.
The legislation prevents the release of information of people who report wolf attacks as well as those who participate in state programs aimed at preventing wolf attacks. It will also exempt the names of state contractors or others involved in killing wolves from public records.
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife and other supporters have cited death threats received by employees, ranchers and others. They say the measure is needed to protect those who deal with wolves.
Meanwhile, some argue that private information should be protected but that the public has the right to know how state policies and programs are carried out.
Post by: KFhunter on May 09, 2017, 01:55:25 PM
Post by: pd on May 09, 2017, 02:22:26 PM
Looks to me like just peoples names, not the incidents.:yeah:
This is a terrible thread title. The bill (now law) does not hide the incident, just the individuals involved.
:yeah:
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on May 09, 2017, 02:43:25 PM
pretty standardLooks to me like just peoples names, not the incidents.:yeah:
This is a terrible thread title. The bill (now law) does not hide the incident, just the individuals involved.
:yeah:
Post by: bearpaw on May 09, 2017, 03:56:15 PM
Post by: Roundhead on May 09, 2017, 03:57:49 PM
Then all of a sudden there is zero wolf attack incidents reported and you wonder how WDFW was able to manage and trained wolves so well. :tup: :tup: :tup:
No names attached to the incidents mean there are no incidence.
Post by: Roundhead on May 09, 2017, 03:59:32 PM
This bill was pushed by my local legislators because ranchers are being threatened by low life wolf lovers. It's meant to protect the rancher who suffers losses by wolves from harassment and threats by the wolf lovers. It's a badly needed law!Double edge sword don't you think? Ya need to put your thinking hat on when it comes to WA socialist liberal Governor.
Post by: Mudman on May 09, 2017, 04:04:40 PM
Post by: bigtex on May 09, 2017, 04:07:48 PM
Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em. I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda. How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others? Oh wait that's done. Hmm. Make it Hate crime and prosecute.And what would that hate crime be? Race, Religion and...oh ya WDFW Employees???
Post by: bearpaw on May 09, 2017, 04:10:00 PM
This bill was pushed by my local legislators because ranchers are being threatened by low life wolf lovers. It's meant to protect the rancher who suffers losses by wolves from harassment and threats by the wolf lovers. It's a badly needed law!Double edge sword don't you think? Ya need to put your thinking hat on when it comes to WA socialist liberal Governor.
I'm pretty sure it was one of our local conservative legislators that wrote the bill. Fortunately it had bi-partisan support and the Gov signed it.
Post by: bearpaw on May 09, 2017, 04:11:17 PM
Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em. I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda. How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others? Oh wait that's done. Hmm. Make it Hate crime and prosecute.And what would that hate crime be? Race, Religion and...oh ya WDFW Employees???
I'm nearly certain WDFW supports this to protect the cattlemen because cattlemen have been threatened in the past. WDFW has requested that I remove names from certain topics to protect cattlemen in the past. :tup:
Post by: bigtex on May 09, 2017, 04:12:07 PM
This bill was pushed by my local legislators because ranchers are being threatened by low life wolf lovers. It's meant to protect the rancher who suffers losses by wolves from harassment and threats by the wolf lovers. It's a badly needed law!:yeah:
Most of the sponsoring Representatives were from wolf infested areas. The few legislators who did oppose (4 senators and 4 representatives) were democrats.
Post by: bigtex on May 09, 2017, 04:13:27 PM
I know that. My response was to Mudman who doesn't like the law and says instead it should be apart of a hate crime law.WDFW supports this to protect the cattlemen because they have been threatened in the past.Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em. I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda. How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others? Oh wait that's done. Hmm. Make it Hate crime and prosecute.And what would that hate crime be? Race, Religion and...oh ya WDFW Employees???
Post by: Roundhead on May 09, 2017, 04:13:50 PM
Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em. I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda. How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others? Oh wait that's done. Hmm. Make it Hate crime and prosecute.Remember this is the same guy who is providing sanctuaries for illegal alien criminals.
Now is he going to protect the heart land?
How does that work?
Post by: Roundhead on May 09, 2017, 04:15:43 PM
Post by: Mudman on May 09, 2017, 04:18:59 PM
Post by: bearpaw on May 09, 2017, 07:14:41 PM
I know that. My response was to Mudman who doesn't like the law and says instead it should be apart of a hate crime law.WDFW supports this to protect the cattlemen because they have been threatened in the past.Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em. I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda. How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others? Oh wait that's done. Hmm. Make it Hate crime and prosecute.And what would that hate crime be? Race, Religion and...oh ya WDFW Employees???
Yes, I understood, I was just adding to the conversation. :tup:
Post by: jackelope on May 10, 2017, 07:05:18 AM
This bill was pushed by my local legislators because ranchers are being threatened by low life wolf lovers. It's meant to protect the rancher who suffers losses by wolves from harassment and threats by the wolf lovers. It's a badly needed law!Double edge sword don't you think? Ya need to put your thinking hat on when it comes to WA socialist liberal Governor.
Dale, I found your thinking hat. The cat stole it.
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Post by: wolfbait on May 10, 2017, 07:36:49 AM
Sounds like a good idea but I don't trust em. I fear it a tool to manipulate the agenda. How does the news find or report on things related to wolf management now???Maybee he should draft a law to go after criminals threatening others? Oh wait that's done. Hmm. Make it Hate crime and prosecute.
This law will help in protecting those who have been harassed by the pro-wolf crowd.
As far as manipulation of news by WDFW etc., that started even before the first wolf pack was confirmed in WA, and continues today. Many wolf/human/livestock conflicts would/will never be report if not for the public coming out with it.
Don't forget WDF&Wolves are for wolves first, ungulates are way down the list in management. Need to drain the WDFW swamp.
Post by: bearpaw on May 10, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Post by: Roundhead on May 11, 2017, 12:00:05 AM
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?
I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.
Post by: jackelope on May 11, 2017, 08:48:14 AM
So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?
I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.
The reports are still there. They just don't have names attached to them. Where's the problem?
As far as where the reports are stored, where you can find the info, whether or not they actually get reported....that's got nothing to do with this law.
Apples and oranges.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 11, 2017, 09:02:29 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 11, 2017, 09:14:11 AM
Post by: Mudman on May 11, 2017, 09:33:40 AM
So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?:yeah: That is how I see it as well. if News wanted to do investigative reports how could they interview a Rancher? If wdfw biased shady reports are in accurate how would we find out? The reports can say what they will and we have no means to verify the truth or lack of? I can see it now. WDFW report;"A rancher reported a suspected wolfkill in Ferry Co on or about 2-22-22. After an extensive investigation we are unable to confirm the hamstrung, disembowed, partially eaten calf covered in canine feces was 100% killed by a wolf and not a hybrid pet or coyote." C'mon guys, think about this. I fear it will help them cover it up. Since when did they give a rats azz about protecting the Cattlemen of this state from wolf related issues??? Now the Rancher must go public to get the truth out in hopes of stopping the slaughter. What good is the law now? Prosecute the people committing the crimes of threats! That is the answer. Heck maybe we should apply this law to D. Trump hey? It seems he has it worse than a rancher with a dead cow. Its not like they prosecute a person who threatens the Pres. right? :chuckle: Censorship and lack of transparency is almost never a good thing. Don't we scream for more and not less like a liberal? The law must at least leave an option open for investigative reporting or something..
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?
I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.
Post by: wolfbait on May 11, 2017, 05:19:57 PM
So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?:yeah: That is how I see it as well. if News wanted to do investigative reports how could they interview a Rancher? If wdfw biased shady reports are in accurate how would we find out? The reports can say what they will and we have no means to verify the truth or lack of? I can see it now. WDFW report;"A rancher reported a suspected wolfkill in Ferry Co on or about 2-22-22. After an extensive investigation we are unable to confirm the hamstrung, disembowed, partially eaten calf covered in canine feces was 100% killed by a wolf and not a hybrid pet or coyote." C'mon guys, think about this. I fear it will help them cover it up. Since when did they give a rats azz about protecting the Cattlemen of this state from wolf related issues??? Now the Rancher must go public to get the truth out in hopes of stopping the slaughter. What good is the law now? Prosecute the people committing the crimes of threats! That is the answer. Heck maybe we should apply this law to D. Trump hey? It seems he has it worse than a rancher with a dead cow. Its not like they prosecute a person who threatens the Pres. right? :chuckle: Censorship and lack of transparency is almost never a good thing. Don't we scream for more and not less like a liberal? The law must at least leave an option open for investigative reporting or something..
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?
I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.
I can see your point with no problem, but the truth be told WDFW have been lying and hiding wolf problems from the beginning. Look at their bogus wolf count, their failure to confirm wolf predation on livestock unless forced to do so, failure to confirm known wolf packs, and their BS wolf plan. There have been several wolf conflicts in the Methow before and since the first wolf pack was confirmed that WDFW refuse to report to the public. WDFW have lied at every corner in the crooked road to so called wolf recovery. The only change this law will have is to give some relief from the dingbat pro-wolfers when ranchers etc. need help in killing some wolves.
There should be an investigation on the impact the wolves have and are having on the ungulates, instead of another BS study that has already been done several times. Where does common sense or common knowledge for that matter and WDFW meet? Way down the crooked road to hell and no hunting?
Post by: Roundhead on May 11, 2017, 06:38:06 PM
So you have total trust and taking the reports from WDFW as valid information?So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?
I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.
The reports are still there. They just don't have names attached to them. Where's the problem?
As far as where the reports are stored, where you can find the info, whether or not they actually get reported....that's got nothing to do with this law.
Apples and oranges.
What ever WDFW say, goes, is that it?
Post by: bearpaw on May 12, 2017, 09:14:35 AM
So you have total trust and taking the reports from WDFW as valid information?So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?
I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.
The reports are still there. They just don't have names attached to them. Where's the problem?
As far as where the reports are stored, where you can find the info, whether or not they actually get reported....that's got nothing to do with this law.
Apples and oranges.
What ever WDFW say, goes, is that it?
You're way off base and twisting what jackelope said.
This legislation was created by our local legislators here in the NE to try and protect the ranchers who have losses and then have lunatics threatening them. It's too bad you can't see past your hatred of WDFW to recognize the benefit of protecting the identity of these ranchers who have already suffered due to wolf impacts. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 12, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
Post by: Roundhead on May 12, 2017, 09:52:23 AM
I understand all that as a given and basis for this law.So you have total trust and taking the reports from WDFW as valid information?So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?
I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.
The reports are still there. They just don't have names attached to them. Where's the problem?
As far as where the reports are stored, where you can find the info, whether or not they actually get reported....that's got nothing to do with this law.
Apples and oranges.
What ever WDFW say, goes, is that it?
You're way off base and twisting what jackelope said.
This legislation was created by our local legislators here in the NE to try and protect the ranchers who have losses and then have lunatics threatening them. It's too bad you can't see past your hatred of WDFW to recognize the benefit of protecting the identity of these ranchers who have already suffered due to wolf impacts. :twocents:
Now I'm just asking a simple question, are we going to trust WDFW to deliver the accurate quality and quantity of reports?
It's not hatred for me, it is the trust that I never had with WDFW.
Post by: wolfbait on May 12, 2017, 10:51:28 AM
I understand all that as a given and basis for this law.So you have total trust and taking the reports from WDFW as valid information?So how is the public supposed to accept the statistics of wolf related incidents?
Lets say 20 people actually reported wolf attacks and/or dangerous encounters this year.
Where and how is that data available?
Are we going to accept the numbers reported by WDFW without facts?
What if you're a rancher who had reported a dozen livestock kills but you have no idea about the other ranches around your area?
I think this is a feel good withdraw law that benefits the wolves identities than it is to protect people.
We need to deal with the issue/problem and find the root cause, not hide from it and hope that the problem goes away.
Take threats seriously, investigate them, and bring them to justice.
The reports are still there. They just don't have names attached to them. Where's the problem?
As far as where the reports are stored, where you can find the info, whether or not they actually get reported....that's got nothing to do with this law.
Apples and oranges.
What ever WDFW say, goes, is that it?
You're way off base and twisting what jackelope said.
This legislation was created by our local legislators here in the NE to try and protect the ranchers who have losses and then have lunatics threatening them. It's too bad you can't see past your hatred of WDFW to recognize the benefit of protecting the identity of these ranchers who have already suffered due to wolf impacts. :twocents:
Now I'm just asking a simple question, are we going to trust WDFW to deliver the accurate quality and quantity of reports?
It's not hatred for me, it is the trust that I never had with WDFW.
WDFW have never been Honest on the wolf program even before the first wolf pack was confirmed, this law will not change that. There has never been and will never be any accountability of the WDFW, you get what they and their environmental partners choose to give you.
This law won't matter in that department. :twocents:
Post by: Mudman on May 12, 2017, 02:33:45 PM
Post by: Roundhead on May 13, 2017, 12:22:13 AM
Oh well you get what you ask for.
Post by: wolfbait on May 13, 2017, 09:28:33 PM
WDFW operates the best in the shade; the less transparent the better. Just look at our fisheries. They deal with the tribes behind doors in private and we have nothing to say. Hell, we can't even be in the same room listening and their conversations aren't even recorded and broadcasted. So this wolf issue is a win-win for WDFW to slowly shut the door of transparencies.
Oh well you get what you ask for.
WDFW won the wolf issue when they past their bogus wolf plan, there has never been any transparency with them and there never will be. WDFW are not game managers they are running a no hunting campaign promoting and protecting predators, with the backing of the USFWS.
Hunt while you can.