Post by: Machias on May 12, 2017, 10:09:08 AM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on May 12, 2017, 12:12:02 PM
Post by: Machias on May 12, 2017, 01:15:12 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on May 13, 2017, 02:59:59 PM
You have some for sale?
I have a few. Mom's with lambs and two Rams. Pure bred. I'm in Coeur d Alene. Pm if your interested
Post by: Axle on May 13, 2017, 04:42:06 PM
Katahdin are nice hair sheep. I have 2 at this time. I had American Blackbelly sheep for many years but switched over to Katahdin sheep. The Blackbelly sheep sure look majestic but the rams seem to think their goal in life at 3 years old is to kill their owner. And they are hard on trees.
Katahdin taste great - as do the Blackbelly - but the Katahdin grow much faster.
My next breed to try is Dorper sheep.
Hair sheep are better than goats. They eat everything a goat will eat but they don't bellow for food all the time. They are much more quiet. I like quiet. And I like lamb meat over goat meat.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 13, 2017, 04:49:29 PM
You do have to watch the rams they will blind side you and can break legs or hips for sure.
Post by: Machias on May 14, 2017, 09:25:56 AM
You have some for sale?
I have a few. Mom's with lambs and two Rams. Pure bred. I'm in Coeur d Alene. Pm if your interested
Thanks, I think I have plenty now, but I appreciate it.
Post by: Machias on May 20, 2017, 05:40:56 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 20, 2017, 06:32:21 AM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on May 20, 2017, 08:40:00 AM
SOB, I lost 2 sheep to yotes yesterday.
Thought about getting a dog to.live with the sheep? There are several.good breeds that guard them and don't mess with the sheep. Also, you in the market now for a couple more. I will give you a mom and her lamb if you are trying to establish a flock.
Post by: Machias on May 20, 2017, 11:42:36 AM
SOB, I lost 2 sheep to yotes yesterday.
Thought about getting a dog to.live with the sheep? There are several.good breeds that guard them and don't mess with the sheep. Also, you in the market now for a couple more. I will give you a mom and her lamb if you are trying to establish a flock.
I have thought about it, I've used a guard donkey in the past as well as a llama, both were effective. Thinking I may just lock them in at night and let them out in the morning. I have an enclosed shelter I think will protect them. That is a super nice offer, I may just take you up on that, but I need to make sure I have them protected before I bring over any others, would hate to bring them in and not have them adequately protected. Thanks!!
Post by: ELKBURGER on May 22, 2017, 12:58:05 PM
Post by: Machias on May 30, 2017, 01:03:56 PM
Post by: Viszla on May 30, 2017, 02:21:43 PM
Post by: Special T on May 30, 2017, 03:04:33 PM
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Post by: Machias on May 30, 2017, 04:17:16 PM
Poor guy is Gona suffer from the DSB!
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Post by: Machias on May 30, 2017, 04:19:06 PM
I've got a bunch of katahdin lambs available if your interested. After losing several to a cougar a couple years ago we got a guardian dog(great Pyrenees) and haven't had any problems with predators since.
Yea we had a llama and then we had a donkey. No issues. There is actually a female llama on Craigslist for $50, but they can't haul. If I had a trailer I'd be going to pick her up now. So far locking them in at night is working good. They have a nice roomy shelter that I am pretty sure the yotes cannot get into. How much do you sell your ewe lambs for?
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on May 31, 2017, 09:35:26 AM
My ram is now in his own pen. He had a go at me this weekend. I've been locking them up at night to keep them safe from the yotes. I let them out and was walking behind the flock so I could get out of the pasture and I seen him pin his ears back. I knew he was going to turn around and take a shot at me. So I had already backed up a bit and was able to get into a part of the barn he can't reach. He backed up a couple of times and lowered his head. I hung out in the barn for a couple of minutes until the wife came out and distracted him with some grain so I could get out of the pasture. He's 200 pounds, he could put a hurt on me. So I fixed up the corral, and he's in there pouting and crying now because he can't get to the girls. Much safer in the pasture now. LOL
I always take something to knock my ram on the head if he gets feisty. He usually likes to test me but if you come at him strong, he backs down. A swift kick in the butt also helps. 😁
Post by: Machias on May 31, 2017, 09:03:52 PM
Post by: Viszla on June 06, 2017, 12:17:49 PM
I've got a bunch of katahdin lambs available if your interested. After losing several to a cougar a couple years ago we got a guardian dog(great Pyrenees) and haven't had any problems with predators since.
Yea we had a llama and then we had a donkey. No issues. There is actually a female llama on Craigslist for $50, but they can't haul. If I had a trailer I'd be going to pick her up now. So far locking them in at night is working good. They have a nice roomy shelter that I am pretty sure the yotes cannot get into. How much do you sell your ewe lambs for?
I've been selling for $100 each. That's been my hold up from getting into cows, no trailer to haul. Trailers aren't cheap these these days so I'm stuck with animals I can throw in the back of a truck. So far the sheep have worked out well. Poor mans beef I always say...
Post by: gaddy on June 06, 2017, 02:30:47 PM
Post by: Machias on June 06, 2017, 04:37:10 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on August 12, 2017, 09:29:11 PM
The smaller size the better.
I ram lamb would work if any one has one.
Post by: Machias on January 31, 2018, 05:54:47 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 31, 2018, 08:15:56 PM
Post by: Machias on January 31, 2018, 08:45:05 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 31, 2018, 10:07:47 PM
Post by: Machias on February 01, 2018, 08:41:53 AM
Question for you real quick. So the Ewe is supposed to be pure Katahdin and is pure white. The Ram was not registered, but I have his papers, white with a couple of brown spots. Both of these lambs came out looking like pure Barbados, with a little white on the noggins. :) I'll take a couple of photos tonight. I know Katahdins can be black and/or brown. Have you had lambs that turn out like this even though both the ewe and the ram are nearly pure white? Looks very cool. Also how old do you band your rams?
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on February 01, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
I never banded my ram lambs. You are supposed to let them drop and do it within 7 days or so. I tried, but when they are that small I couldn't be confident I actually had the testicles isolated and didn't want to just pinch off the scrotum. I would sell the ram lambs when they were 6 months old before they would be able to breed.
Post by: Machias on February 01, 2018, 12:19:14 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on February 01, 2018, 03:03:30 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 01, 2018, 03:16:52 PM
I used to milk goats in high school and had a 300+lb Nubian billy split my scalp. The working over with a shovel helped my mental state but did nothing to take the fight out of him. I highly recommend a spray bottle of ammonia, a few encounters with a nose full of ammonia calms them right the #@$%^&*( down.
That's what you get for trying to milk a billy.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on February 01, 2018, 03:23:24 PM
Doh!I used to milk goats in high school and had a 300+lb Nubian billy split my scalp. The working over with a shovel helped my mental state but did nothing to take the fight out of him. I highly recommend a spray bottle of ammonia, a few encounters with a nose full of ammonia calms them right the #@$%^&*( down.
That's what you get for trying to milk a billy.
Post by: Machias on February 01, 2018, 05:53:06 PM
Post by: Machias on February 02, 2018, 07:54:08 AM
Post by: Machias on February 02, 2018, 07:13:51 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on February 02, 2018, 07:20:59 PM
Well, well, well. Had my second set of twins this morning before leaving for work. When I went down to feed she had just had number 2. They were both up wobbly, and she was being very attentive. Got home tonight and all 4 babies were looking great. Then I hear something, look outside the shelter and there is #3 from this morning. She had triplets, not twins!! A little ram. The ewe wants nothing to do with him. I brought him in the house and got 5 ounces of colostrum down him. Seems to be doing pretty good. I'll give him some more colostrum over the next 12 hours or so every couple of hours. Then switch over to sheep milk replacer.
Why do you think she won’t feed him?
Post by: Machias on February 02, 2018, 07:23:54 PM
Post by: runamuk on February 02, 2018, 07:52:09 PM
No idea, maybe she had him and was too busy with the other 2? :dunno: My understanding it is fairly common among sheep.
It is you can often pin the ewe and force the issue often after 3 or 4 feedings they will accept them. I had one ewe who couldnt feed her twins because her udder was only half functional. So her ram lamb was a bottle baby but he lived with the crew.
Most my ewes could and would feed 3-5 lambs easily. I had finnsheep and ramboulette merino cross. My first time ramby ewes were the sketchiest needing some convincing that yes that critter is gonna nurse. :bash:
Post by: Machias on February 02, 2018, 08:09:12 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 02, 2018, 08:29:26 PM
I know these are sheep, but I don’t think they are that much different .
http://goat-link.com/content/view/94/76/#.WnU7CmKIaEd
Feeding Bottle Baby Goats
The most important thing I can stress when feeding bottle baby goats is to try and do what a natural goat mom would do- The first few days goat moms allow the babies to eat many times per day but if you watch them they only eat a small amount each time, as they get older, mom will only stand to allow them to nurse for a certain amount of time and then walk away- so babies learn to eat more at each feeding - giving bottle babies 2 or 3 huge bottles a day in the first weeks is not only harmful for the baby's digestive system but really not fair to the baby.
After they receive colostrum (Mother's first milk) For the first 24 hours of life, bottle fed kids should be fed fresh (or frozen) goat's milk if at all possible. If you cannot get fresh goat's milk, you can use whole (not 2%) cows milk from the store. I do not recommend using fresh cow's milk UNLESS you know for a fact the farm is certified because the transfer of Johne's or CAE to a baby goat from the cow's milk is possible. In a PINCH You CAN use Canned milk ONLY if you read the ingredients- do NOT used what is called FILLED Evaporated milk- Many canned milks are part soy, Never use this. Use only whole canned milk if you need to.(Diluted in half with water) Carnation canned cow's milk is whole milk without soy and is safe to use.
DO NOT FEED POWDERED MILK REPLACERS/FORMULA!
Milk Replacers Kill Baby Goats!!- Milk Replacers KILL Baby Goats!!! MILK REPLACERS KILL BABY GOATS!!!!!
I know this is ridiculous to put this way BUT Please people.. Trust me.. while there may be an unusual case of milk replacers NOT killing baby goats BUT they do more than they do not Unless the breeder is able to get the scouring baby turned around before they die! I cannot stress this hard enough.
Real whole milk, even raw milk from a cow, is much better for them than milk replacer , which can cause diarrhea and floppy kid syndrome. Very often, problems with bottle fed kids stem from the use of milk replacer. I cannot tell you how many emails and phone calls I get a week (sometimes so many in just a DAY) from gals who are losing kids due to kid milk replacers- Even the "best" replacers. "Even" the ones that say "kid replacer" Just don't use them. They are expensive and really not your best choice.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on February 02, 2018, 08:32:22 PM
I am on a group FaceBook page and they are also recommending either putting her in a halter and tie her up so she can eat, drink and laydown only and the babies can nurse or put her in a headgate.
I have done that before and it works. Triplets are tough, a good ewe will make sure they are all taken care of, but the first time they have triplets gets confusing for them. I used a couple bands that are used to go under a horses chest when wearing a saddle and tied her to the wall. Using just a head restraint will allow the ewe to get away from the lamb. I basically made sure she couldn't lay down and couldn't get away from the lambs. Sometimes it takes a few hours sometimes a couple days. Make sure she has fresh water and food in front of her and you are good. Give her a break every now and then and see how she interacts with all.of them and you will know when she has accepted it.
Post by: Machias on February 02, 2018, 09:53:47 PM
Post by: Machias on February 02, 2018, 09:59:43 PM
Milk Replacers Kill Baby Goats!!- Milk Replacers KILL Baby Goats!!! MILK REPLACERS KILL BABY GOATS!!!!!
I know this is ridiculous to put this way BUT Please people.. Trust me.. while there may be an unusual case of milk replacers NOT killing baby goats BUT they do more than they do not Unless the breeder is able to get the scouring baby turned around before they die! I cannot stress this hard enough.
Real whole milk, even raw milk from a cow, is much better for them than milk replacer , which can cause diarrhea and floppy kid syndrome. Very often, problems with bottle fed kids stem from the use of milk replacer. I cannot tell you how many emails and phone calls I get a week (sometimes so many in just a DAY) from gals who are losing kids due to kid milk replacers- Even the "best" replacers. "Even" the ones that say "kid replacer" Just don't use them. They are expensive and really not your best choice."
Funny, most of the folks on the Katahdin Sheep Breeder's page say don't use whole milk from a cow, sheep milk replacer is soo much better. :)
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 02, 2018, 10:04:54 PM
DO NOT FEED POWDERED MILK REPLACERS/FORMULA!
Milk Replacers Kill Baby Goats!!- Milk Replacers KILL Baby Goats!!! MILK REPLACERS KILL BABY GOATS!!!!!
I know this is ridiculous to put this way BUT Please people.. Trust me.. while there may be an unusual case of milk replacers NOT killing baby goats BUT they do more than they do not Unless the breeder is able to get the scouring baby turned around before they die! I cannot stress this hard enough.
Real whole milk, even raw milk from a cow, is much better for them than milk replacer , which can cause diarrhea and floppy kid syndrome. Very often, problems with bottle fed kids stem from the use of milk replacer. I cannot tell you how many emails and phone calls I get a week (sometimes so many in just a DAY) from gals who are losing kids due to kid milk replacers- Even the "best" replacers. "Even" the ones that say "kid replacer" Just don't use them. They are expensive and really not your best choice."
Funny, most of the folks on the Katahdin Sheep Breeder's page say don't use whole milk from a cow, sheep milk replacer is soo much better. :)
Yeah IDK, when I was kid we list a calf feeding it replacer.
Goat kids do well on vitamin D/ whole milk.
Post by: runamuk on February 02, 2018, 11:44:53 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 03, 2018, 06:39:09 AM
Post by: Machias on February 03, 2018, 07:29:28 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 03, 2018, 07:34:02 AM
Post by: Machias on February 03, 2018, 08:54:13 PM
I built a headgate today, worked great but he could just not figure out how to make them real teats work. So he is being bottle fed again.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 03, 2018, 08:55:54 PM
What is everyone using to host photos now that photobucket is not an option?
I built a headgate today, worked great but he could just not figure out how to make them real teats work. So he is being bottle fed again.
My IPhone, screen shot them then post.
Post by: Machias on February 05, 2018, 08:37:47 PM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xwYzF1eZ1BWw73r83
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ARyHLlkaojhaBWDO2
Headgate in action. Worked great but the little guy could not figure out how to make the real teats work.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HZcfHzTxK9qrmZEq2
https://photos.app.goo.gl/BZyJRbJHUthWi5Is1
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ythz1pHZDb1WgdYn2
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Unv7skZgJC0V6zuD3
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kCgTQikM7Tuskd533
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZtgJyKMFXT6odxQt1
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3B2Ys90f6dii5xXV2
Post by: goldenhtr on February 05, 2018, 09:11:02 PM
Post by: Machias on February 06, 2018, 09:40:08 AM
DO NOT FEED POWDERED MILK REPLACERS/FORMULA!
Milk Replacers Kill Baby Goats!!- Milk Replacers KILL Baby Goats!!! MILK REPLACERS KILL BABY GOATS!!!!!
I know this is ridiculous to put this way BUT Please people.. Trust me.. while there may be an unusual case of milk replacers NOT killing baby goats BUT they do more than they do not Unless the breeder is able to get the scouring baby turned around before they die! I cannot stress this hard enough.
Real whole milk, even raw milk from a cow, is much better for them than milk replacer , which can cause diarrhea and floppy kid syndrome. Very often, problems with bottle fed kids stem from the use of milk replacer. I cannot tell you how many emails and phone calls I get a week (sometimes so many in just a DAY) from gals who are losing kids due to kid milk replacers- Even the "best" replacers. "Even" the ones that say "kid replacer" Just don't use them. They are expensive and really not your best choice."
Funny, most of the folks on the Katahdin Sheep Breeder's page say don't use whole milk from a cow, sheep milk replacer is soo much better. :)
I'm going to take your advice and give whole milk a shot. I had another guy on the Katahdin Sheep Breeder's Facebook page who raises on average 100 bottle babies a year and gave the same advice as you gave. He also said he's NEVER had an issue. Many years ago when he used milk replacer he lost hundreds of babies one year. Thanks again for your advice, I appreciate it!
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 06, 2018, 10:23:51 AM
DO NOT FEED POWDERED MILK REPLACERS/FORMULA!
Milk Replacers Kill Baby Goats!!- Milk Replacers KILL Baby Goats!!! MILK REPLACERS KILL BABY GOATS!!!!!
I know this is ridiculous to put this way BUT Please people.. Trust me.. while there may be an unusual case of milk replacers NOT killing baby goats BUT they do more than they do not Unless the breeder is able to get the scouring baby turned around before they die! I cannot stress this hard enough.
Real whole milk, even raw milk from a cow, is much better for them than milk replacer , which can cause diarrhea and floppy kid syndrome. Very often, problems with bottle fed kids stem from the use of milk replacer. I cannot tell you how many emails and phone calls I get a week (sometimes so many in just a DAY) from gals who are losing kids due to kid milk replacers- Even the "best" replacers. "Even" the ones that say "kid replacer" Just don't use them. They are expensive and really not your best choice."
Funny, most of the folks on the Katahdin Sheep Breeder's page say don't use whole milk from a cow, sheep milk replacer is soo much better. :)
I'm going to take your advice and give whole milk a shot. I had another guy on the Katahdin Sheep Breeder's Facebook page who raises on average 100 bottle babies a year and gave the same advice as you gave. He also said he's NEVER had an issue. Many years ago when he used milk replacer he lost hundreds of babies one year. Thanks again for your advice, I appreciate it!
Your welcome. :tup:
Just warm it up a little in the microwave in the bottles, they’ll suck the bottles dry quick.
Post by: Machias on February 12, 2018, 07:55:37 PM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/lH7BJqQAxCAcCLLA2
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 12, 2018, 08:03:09 PM
How are the bottle feeders doing?
Post by: Machias on February 12, 2018, 08:29:58 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 12, 2018, 08:47:38 PM
The bottle ram is doing outstanding. Bigdave's daughter has been feeding him for the past week and he is doing fantastic!
Nice to hear. :tup:
He’ll follow you around forever like a dog. Just gotta keep the predators away from him, he won’t know to run from them.
Post by: runamuk on February 13, 2018, 05:47:12 AM
Also if you keep him to maturity be careful when he starts getting randy, he may be harder to handle being so human bonded.The bottle ram is doing outstanding. Bigdave's daughter has been feeding him for the past week and he is doing fantastic!
Nice to hear. :tup:
He’ll follow you around forever like a dog. Just gotta keep the predators away from him, he won’t know to run from them.
I have moments when I miss my sheep. I love the lamb pics.
Post by: Machias on February 13, 2018, 08:19:04 AM
Post by: bigdave on February 13, 2018, 09:21:32 AM
Post by: Machias on February 13, 2018, 09:42:23 AM
Post by: runamuk on February 13, 2018, 03:03:33 PM
I've already banded him.:tup:
Post by: Machias on February 17, 2018, 08:47:19 AM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/QJ3Ptz0DLHoIscwx2
Post by: Machias on February 25, 2018, 07:37:01 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 25, 2018, 07:49:06 PM
HUGE shout out to Bigdave and his Daughter for taking in and raising this little ram lamb that was abandoned by Mom. He was 3 weeks old on Friday. He came home today and appears to be happy!! :)
He’s a little butterball that looks very happy, how are you feeding him now?
Post by: nwwanderer on February 26, 2018, 07:07:19 AM
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Post by: silverdalesauer on March 12, 2018, 09:13:26 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katahdin_sheep
Post by: Machias on March 12, 2018, 09:29:03 PM
I grew up in Northern Maine about 15 miles away from Mt. Katahdin. I was surprised to see this post with Katahdin because most people have never heard of it. Pretty cool. Also, never heard of Katahdin sheep, so I checked it out...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katahdin_sheep
I used to hunt and camp near Mt Katahdin...fish the Machias River...one of my favorite places from long ago,
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 12, 2018, 09:36:00 PM
He acts like a puppy more than a lamb :)
That’s what happens when you bottle feed them. :chuckle:
Post by: silverdalesauer on March 12, 2018, 10:16:31 PM
I grew up in Northern Maine about 15 miles away from Mt. Katahdin. I was surprised to see this post with Katahdin because most people have never heard of it. Pretty cool. Also, never heard of Katahdin sheep, so I checked it out...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katahdin_sheep
I used to hunt and camp near Mt Katahdin...fish the Machias River...one of my favorite places from long ago,
I grew up in Millinocket. Baxter State Park and the Golden Road was my backyard playground. Grew up snowmobiling there, ice fishing, fly fishing in the park or on the Penobscot River, and so on. My family still lives in the region. We visit annually.
Post by: bigdave on March 13, 2018, 08:34:45 AM
Post by: Machias on March 13, 2018, 09:46:37 AM
Post by: Machias on March 13, 2018, 11:43:58 AM
I grew up in Northern Maine about 15 miles away from Mt. Katahdin. I was surprised to see this post with Katahdin because most people have never heard of it. Pretty cool. Also, never heard of Katahdin sheep, so I checked it out...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katahdin_sheep
I used to hunt and camp near Mt Katahdin...fish the Machias River...one of my favorite places from long ago,
I grew up in Millinocket. Baxter State Park and the Golden Road was my backyard playground. Grew up snowmobiling there, ice fishing, fly fishing in the park or on the Penobscot River, and so on. My family still lives in the region. We visit annually.
I was stationed at Loring AFB from 1981 to 1983. Loved it up there!!