Post by: wheels on May 27, 2017, 11:39:09 AM
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Post by: Falcon on May 27, 2017, 05:30:55 PM
Happens all the time. Lots of camps with two tags that put in together.
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I'll take that to the bank💰 :yeah:
Post by: PolarBear on May 27, 2017, 05:31:32 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 05:39:34 PM
I hope so. I went in with my daughter for moose and sheep this year. I have max and she has 9 points.Have you always put in as a group?
never mind i seen you were gonna answer but decided it would prove my point.
Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 05:41:12 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/d4b191dcc91e3cfd1ecc398c5c838dac.jpg)What exactly does this show?Does this show all the groups that got tags or something?
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 05:48:24 PM
Post by: PolarBear on May 27, 2017, 06:02:58 PM
Only the past 2 years. I figure that if applying solo for the past 32+ years isn't getting it done, what do we have to lose?I hope so. I went in with my daughter for moose and sheep this year. I have max and she has 9 points.Have you always put in as a group?
never mind i seen you were gonna answer but decided it would prove my point.
Post by: Falcon on May 27, 2017, 06:06:58 PM
Only the past 2 years. I figure that if applying solo for the past 32+ years isn't getting it done, what do we have to lose?I hope so. I went in with my daughter for moose and sheep this year. I have max and she has 9 points.Have you always put in as a group?
never mind i seen you were gonna answer but decided it would prove my point.
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Hope you both draw either. That would be an out of body experience👊💥👊
Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 06:16:23 PM
I ALSO DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK OF MY OP.
PS Thanks for posting the graph it helped prove my point. :tup:
Post by: grundy53 on May 27, 2017, 06:50:02 PM
Yeah 5 people out of 11,627 got drawn because they were in a group of 2,great odds.I stand by what i said and not gonna bs other hunters into thinking its a good idea.Actually, it pretty much proved his point.
I ALSO DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK OF MY OP.
PS Thanks for posting the graph it helped prove my point. :tup:
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Post by: grundy53 on May 27, 2017, 06:52:13 PM
Yeah 5 people out of 11,627 got drawn because they were in a group of 2,great odds.I stand by what i said and not gonna bs other hunters into thinking its a good idea.By the way, the OP didn't say anything about odds or if it was a good idea. He just asked if it had been done.
I ALSO DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK OF MY OP.
PS Thanks for posting the graph it helped prove my point. :tup:
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 07:05:01 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 27, 2017, 07:08:38 PM
One important thing to remember if you choose to apply with a partner- I would only apply for the hunts that have at least 10 tags. There are three that have 15. Apply for those. Otherwise you're really hurting your odds if you go for the hunts that only have 2 or 3 tags.
Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 07:11:06 PM
correction instead of most it needs to be almost half.
Post by: grundy53 on May 27, 2017, 07:11:42 PM
And i said that people probably don't do it on purpose to get drawn.People put in group all the time thinking they wont get drawn but if they do hit the lottery ok.if you put in for group hunt moose you will have a long wait.his graph proves that.5 people out of over 11k applicants got drawn in group.I bet the op wanted to know more than just has it happened,he wants to know how often and if its any good to even try.I gave him the answer truthfully and without any smoke and mirrors to benefit myself in any way.Your odds are horrible if you apply as an individual. So what difference does it make? I'm sure the OP can speak for himself. He doesn't need you to put words in his mouth.
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 07:14:08 PM
nore you,thank youAnd i said that people probably don't do it on purpose to get drawn.People put in group all the time thinking they wont get drawn but if they do hit the lottery ok.if you put in for group hunt moose you will have a long wait.his graph proves that.5 people out of over 11k applicants got drawn in group.I bet the op wanted to know more than just has it happened,he wants to know how often and if its any good to even try.I gave him the answer truthfully and without any smoke and mirrors to benefit myself in any way.Your odds are horrible if you apply as an individual. So what difference does it make? I'm sure the OP can speak for himself. He doesn't need you to put words in his mouth.
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 07:19:04 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 27, 2017, 07:56:29 PM
I guess the term (a lot) needs to be defined.because 5 is not a lot out of over 11k.Or am i to new a member to be right about that also?I don't know why you are comparing 5 winners too 11k applicants? Doesn't make any sense. But what's new.
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 08:30:18 PM
whats not to understand?study the graph.you will figure it out soon enough or someone can come on and explain it to you.remember you are the one that chimed in here to try to correct me.still trying but failing miserably.I guess the term (a lot) needs to be defined.because 5 is not a lot out of over 11k.Or am i to new a member to be right about that also?I don't know why you are comparing 5 winners too 11k applicants? Doesn't make any sense. But what's new.
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Post by: benhuntin on May 27, 2017, 08:35:12 PM
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 08:39:16 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 27, 2017, 08:52:00 PM
Let's just say you're right and everyone else is wrong. Have a great weekend.:yeah: :chuckle:
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 27, 2017, 09:13:32 PM
Post by: Falcon on May 28, 2017, 09:09:39 AM
Can't help but laugh and laugh hard at you both.Now between the 2 of you ,You're everyone else. :chuckle: :dunno: HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND !
Ok I think we got it :chuckle:
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 09:17:23 AM
JUDGE ON MY COUSIN VINNY : NO,I DON'T THINK YOU DO.Can't help but laugh and laugh hard at you both.Now between the 2 of you ,You're everyone else. :chuckle: :dunno: HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND !
Ok I think we got it :chuckle:
Post by: dscubame on May 28, 2017, 09:31:05 AM
Happens all the time. Lots of camps with two tags that put in together.
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Yep. Happens all the time. :yeah:. Best way to draw too since you can both enjoy the oil.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on May 28, 2017, 09:46:41 AM
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 10:18:52 AM
Post by: teanawayslayer on May 28, 2017, 11:02:16 AM
only 5 names were drawn for the 10 so its not 10% drawn.Almost 10% got tags and that is still not a lot out of 104,But like i said keep putting in for group especially in areas with 3 or less tags. :tup:blah blah blah!
Post by: Dan-o on May 28, 2017, 11:23:35 AM
It happens all the time - meaning every time a draw occurs.
And statistically, your odds of drawing as partners (if you go for high permit areas) is very nearly as good if you apply as partners as com$pared to drawing individually. Not quite as good, but very close.
Having said that, my three sons and I always apply individually for these......m. In the hopes that we can enjoy a few over the years rather than jus ome year of shooting 4 moose.
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 11:44:19 AM
Happens all the time. Lots of camps with two tags that put in together.THIS IS NOT SAYING IT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR,THIS SAYS IT HAPPENS A LOT EVERY YEAR.
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Post by: Dan-o on May 28, 2017, 11:57:29 AM
Take an area with 15 tags. If you apply individually, you need to be one of the first 15 drawn to be a winner. Conversely, if you apply as partners (2 people) you need to be one of the first 14 drawn. (if you are 15th drawn, the rules say you don't get it because there are insufficient tags remaining.)
That means you are 93 percent as likely to draw as partners.
Now if you apply where there are only 2 tags, you are only 50 percent as likely to draw as partners (you need to draw the first of two tags).
Cheers!
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 12:03:22 PM
cheers!
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2017, 12:16:08 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 12:41:48 PM
Post by: Dan-o on May 28, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
not exactly,as you said look at it this way:if there were only 20 groups in the draw of 1000 you are far less likely to draw as a group than 93%.As the chart shows only 5 groups were drawn out of 104 tags is that 93% as likely to draw?I think not.
cheers!
The key word is relative.
In my example you are 93.3333333333333333333% as likely to draw as partners relative to drawing as an individual.
That statistic holds true whether there are 20 people trying for the 15 tags or 20,000,000 people trying for them.
BOTTOM LINE: Your adds of drawing a moose tag suck! :chuckle: And you will make your odds a little worse if you try to draw as partners.
I'd just like to draw a moose tag before I'm too old to do iti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
yes and you will have a more than 50% better chance of doing it if you go in individual before you're old :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: h20hunter on May 28, 2017, 01:00:47 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2017, 01:03:30 PM
I'm no statistician, but let's just throw out some numbers here, let's say odds are .2% applying as partners and .4% applying as an individual. That's double the odds as an individual but you're still most likely not going to draw.
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 01:12:58 PM
Apparently the only one who feels they need to be right is oh mah.wow,I think we all should have just asked you a long time ago,you are quite astute.Can you answer the rest of the forum questions with such precision?
BOBCAT:yes that is the question he has not come back to it yet to clarify what exactly he meant,I mean he asked us on this forum if it has been done,Is he asking if anyone on here has done it?I never said it can't be done nore have i said its impossible.
H20 yes i am right and don't care if you agree or not,if you put in for group hunt in one of the 15 tag areas you are doing so to gain points knowing that you most likely wont draw.I'll go back to what i said earlier 5 people got drawn because they were in a group,99 people drew because they were not in a group.Whats the % again? :chuckle:
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 01:17:29 PM
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Post by: Timberstalker on May 28, 2017, 01:20:13 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 01:26:23 PM
Oh mah, you must be a bored individual.did you read all of this thread?
Post by: crabcreekhunter on May 28, 2017, 01:27:39 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 01:29:15 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on May 28, 2017, 04:34:38 PM
Not sure if that is true or not. :dunno:
Post by: Mfowl on May 28, 2017, 05:02:28 PM
I was told when two hunters put in as a group their points are averaged.
Not sure if that is true or not. :dunno:
This is true, if total points equal an odd number then points are averaged up to the next even number (no 1/2 points.)
Post by: dscubame on May 28, 2017, 05:30:58 PM
Oh mah, you must be a bored individual.
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Post by: Jellymon on May 28, 2017, 06:19:51 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 06:23:42 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2017, 06:31:37 PM
It's possible to draw moose tags as a group. That was the original question. And yes it has happened. But not often, because most people choose to apply individually.
If more people applied as a group, then more people would draw moose tags as a group.
Okay, I'm done with this.
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 06:41:31 PM
In WA.? I highly doubt anyone puts in group moose to actually get drawn in WA.. :twocents:here,what is wrong here?for some to argue and try (failing) to belittle me in my answer.would it be because i answered first?
Post by: benhuntin on May 28, 2017, 06:45:40 PM
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 06:48:58 PM
ps you must be a very bored indivi....wait group yeah group
Post by: benhuntin on May 28, 2017, 06:52:31 PM
In WA.? I highly doubt anyone puts in group moose to actually get drawn in WA.. :twocents:YOU'RE WRONG. And yes I have nothing going on tonight.
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Post by: Jolten on May 28, 2017, 06:57:24 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 06:59:14 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 07:00:09 PM
I Know of a few 2people groups who put in for moose.cool,are they members on the forum?
Post by: benhuntin on May 28, 2017, 07:00:20 PM
I Know of a few 2people groups who put in for moose.Say it ain't so. They must not intend to draw.
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Post by: duckmen1 on May 28, 2017, 07:02:16 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on May 28, 2017, 07:03:50 PM
Post by: Jolten on May 28, 2017, 07:04:57 PM
Most aren't expecting to ever draw. I think 1 of the groups have 12pts. They're brothers and started hunting together and put in all their apps together as a group as far as I know
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
2 have drawn together. Out of 5 groups.oh i see,so they don't expect to draw.who said that on here ben oh wait it was me 2nd post in this thread. :chuckle:
Most aren't expecting to ever draw. I think 1 of the groups have 12pts. They're brothers and started hunting together and put in all their apps together as a group as far as I know
Post by: duckmen1 on May 28, 2017, 07:07:52 PM
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 07:08:13 PM
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Post by: dscubame on May 28, 2017, 07:14:02 PM
If I ever am so fortunate to draw my first move is to contact Benhuntin. Guy knows the moose.
And Ben should someone contact you with an Aladdin tag I would have some info for you.
Post by: benhuntin on May 28, 2017, 07:14:26 PM
Sarcasm. Dude you are a hard guy to argue with.2 have drawn together. Out of 5 groups.oh i see,so they don't expect to draw.who said that on here ben oh wait it was me 2nd post in this thread. :chuckle:
Most aren't expecting to ever draw. I think 1 of the groups have 12pts. They're brothers and started hunting together and put in all their apps together as a group as far as I know
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 07:18:25 PM
Post by: benhuntin on May 28, 2017, 07:21:07 PM
do all of you put in for group with your moose hunts?if not,why not?the more of you that do will raise the odds of a group getting drawnI do not put in with a group, because when I draw I will be lookin for the next state record and don't need to be lookin for more than one bull. But that's just me.
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Post by: Jellymon on May 28, 2017, 07:24:16 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 07:29:08 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 07:30:55 PM
just a heads up for you ben............you're not the only one not putting in group. :tup: just in case you still think you're everyone and that special.no trophy for you.do all of you put in for group with your moose hunts?if not,why not?the more of you that do will raise the odds of a group getting drawnI do not put in with a group, because when I draw I will be lookin for the next state record and don't need to be lookin for more than one bull. But that's just me.
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Post by: Jellymon on May 28, 2017, 07:31:30 PM
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Post by: benhuntin on May 28, 2017, 07:37:29 PM
What are you talkin about man. I love to argue but you don't make any sense. Why would you say no trophy for me.just a heads up for you ben............you're not the only one not putting in group. :tup: just in case you still think you're everyone and that special.no trophy for you.do all of you put in for group with your moose hunts?if not,why not?the more of you that do will raise the odds of a group getting drawnI do not put in with a group, because when I draw I will be lookin for the next state record and don't need to be lookin for more than one bull. But that's just me.
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 07:39:29 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 07:41:20 PM
Drama lamaswas this you're first trophy?is it still sitting next to you're ballerina?
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 08:39:53 PM
:)now your name makes sense,Why would you send a selfie?If you're gonna post something make it a video we all wanna see how good your moves are.
Post by: Jellymon on May 28, 2017, 08:46:15 PM
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Post by: MeatMaster on May 28, 2017, 08:58:39 PM
Because you have 2 of the 10 hunters drawn last year as your friends i'm wrong and my point is invalid,check. :chuckle:
That is Mr Meat to you.
The part where your wrong is saying that groups dont pull moose tages..so again please dont agrue something you know nothing about.
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 09:00:33 PM
Post by: MeatMaster on May 28, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
In WA.? I highly doubt anyone puts in group moose to actually get drawn in WA.. :twocents:
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 09:11:11 PM
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 09:16:59 PM
2 have drawn together. Out of 5 groups.I did however agree to this because this is in my 1st post.
Most aren't expecting to ever draw. I think 1 of the groups have 12pts. They're brothers and started hunting together and put in all their apps together as a group as far as I know
Post by: duckmen1 on May 28, 2017, 09:17:44 PM
Post by: Tbar on May 28, 2017, 09:18:03 PM
I'm back in. Your wrong. You are the only one who can't see it. Move on with life.:yeah: :yeah:
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Is it September yet?
Oh mah you are ruining the only time of year when we live in hope ( :chuckle:) with your senseless arguments. We will all get our not selected reality check soon enough.
Post by: MeatMaster on May 28, 2017, 09:21:04 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 09:22:23 PM
ok im gonna stop clowning but would someone please tell me why it is that you all are accusing me of being the one arguing?I mean really.I'm back in. Your wrong. You are the only one who can't see it. Move on with life.:yeah: :yeah:
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Is it September yet?
Oh mah you are ruining the only time of year when we live in hope ( :chuckle:) with your senseless arguments. We will all get our not selected reality check soon enough.
Post by: Timberstalker on May 28, 2017, 09:26:48 PM
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Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 09:37:23 PM
Actually keep going with your need to be right oh mah, this thread is getting good!ok cool,i don't have a need to be right............I just am.
Post by: Jellymon on May 28, 2017, 09:38:03 PM
Hi
Actually cow moose dont moo. And that isnt even a moose, its a European elk.
Post by: Tbar on May 28, 2017, 09:40:30 PM
Cow moose moo!Hi
Actually cow moose dont moo. And that isnt even a moose, its a European elk.
Post by: MeatMaster on May 28, 2017, 09:42:32 PM
Post by: Jellymon on May 28, 2017, 09:44:00 PM
Cow moose moo!Hi
Actually cow moose dont moo. And that isnt even a moose, its a European elk.
Is that how they get thier name. MOOse?
Post by: Oh Mah on May 28, 2017, 09:44:32 PM
Come on, it's not a matter of who's right and who's wrong. Heck I'm not even sure what it is that is in question here. :dunno:this is pretty spot on.
It's possible to draw moose tags as a group. That was the original question. And yes it has happened. But not often, because most people choose to apply individually.
If more people applied as a group, then more people would draw moose tags as a group.
Okay, I'm done with this.
Post by: Tbar on May 28, 2017, 09:47:41 PM
That's my understanding. :chuckle:Cow moose moo!Hi
Actually cow moose dont moo. And that isnt even a moose, its a European elk.
Is that how they get thier name. MOOse?
Post by: h20hunter on May 28, 2017, 09:48:32 PM
This one is done.