Post by: gocougs on June 20, 2017, 09:19:30 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on June 20, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on June 20, 2017, 09:25:23 PM
Post by: huntnphool on June 20, 2017, 09:31:50 PM
What a piece of work. Hopefully you can track him down.
+1
Post by: JakeLand on June 20, 2017, 09:35:18 PM
Post by: gocougs on June 20, 2017, 09:39:07 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on June 20, 2017, 10:09:08 PM
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Post by: hunter399 on June 20, 2017, 10:09:53 PM
Post by: huntnnw on June 20, 2017, 10:33:43 PM
Post by: gocougs on June 20, 2017, 10:37:19 PM
Need to put it up on Facebook on hunting groups ..be willing to bet he's identified in a day or less
go ahead I don't have a facebook account
Post by: h2ofowlr on June 20, 2017, 10:42:24 PM
Post by: gocougs on June 20, 2017, 10:43:37 PM
I stopped by the pawn shop this week and was surprised to see 8 different trail cameras in it. I should have taken pictures of them. Probably all hot.where at which place?
Post by: eastfork on June 20, 2017, 10:45:21 PM
Post by: Seahawk12 on June 20, 2017, 11:14:56 PM
Post by: gocougs on June 20, 2017, 11:36:02 PM
May i also have your permission to post these photos on some sites?
Go ahead I don't care at all
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 21, 2017, 05:22:41 AM
Post by: Stalkin Prey on June 21, 2017, 05:32:55 AM
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Post by: C-Money on June 21, 2017, 06:49:06 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 21, 2017, 07:03:02 AM
Post by: splitshot on June 21, 2017, 07:21:42 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 21, 2017, 07:29:48 AM
Post by: rtspring on June 21, 2017, 08:04:41 AM
Post by: elkrack on June 21, 2017, 08:11:03 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 21, 2017, 08:16:13 AM
Post by: huntnnw on June 21, 2017, 08:19:53 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 21, 2017, 08:24:16 AM
Post by: hunter399 on June 21, 2017, 09:01:46 AM
Post by: gocougs on June 21, 2017, 10:25:28 AM
I said he is a suspect in the camera thief I don't know for 100% he is the one but he was the only one that walked by my two cameras that watched the bait cam from a close distance. This guys walks by with bolt cutters in hand and bait camera is gone. I didn't want to show background because the guy would then know how I got his pictures making it harder to catch him again when he strikes again on someone else camera. The pictures were blurry because I zoomed in on the pictures to see him closer up. Maybe we should worry about identifying the guy instead of criticizing the pictures of the guy and saying I need a new camera. I am pretty sure my cameras are just fine that is not the problem the problem is that people don't focus on the real issue!
Thanks to all those that are just trying to help.
Post by: TheHunt on June 21, 2017, 10:29:22 AM
Post by: acrim on June 21, 2017, 01:35:48 PM
Post by: JDHasty on June 21, 2017, 05:57:35 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 21, 2017, 06:19:35 PM
So my friend just call me and read me the comments on the facebook post. Would someone please post this to the facebook page.Done!
I said he is a suspect in the camera thief I don't know for 100% he is the one but he was the only one that walked by my two cameras that watched the bait cam from a close distance. This guys walks by with bolt cutters in hand and bait camera is gone. I didn't want to show background because the guy would then know how I got his pictures making it harder to catch him again when he strikes again on someone else camera. The pictures were blurry because I zoomed in on the pictures to see him closer up. Maybe we should worry about identifying the guy instead of criticizing the pictures of the guy and saying I need a new camera. I am pretty sure my cameras are just fine that is not the problem the problem is that people don't focus on the real issue!
Thanks to all those that are just trying to help.
Post by: trophyhunt on June 21, 2017, 06:26:08 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 21, 2017, 06:30:21 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on June 21, 2017, 07:05:18 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 21, 2017, 07:09:19 PM
I admit, I took some cutters out once....couldn't find my own keys to the lock !
Post by: DaveMonti on June 21, 2017, 11:02:30 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on June 22, 2017, 02:26:29 AM
Post by: fowl smacker on June 22, 2017, 06:03:20 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 22, 2017, 06:19:24 AM
Post by: haugenna on June 22, 2017, 07:11:58 AM
Good luck finding this POS
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 22, 2017, 07:30:00 AM
Don't know the details...maybe the guy dug out and ditched to create a wallow 5 years ago and has been baiting and salting every year since with well hidden cam and now a new guy shows up and puts cams on the wallow he created. Pissed he doesnt know what to do so bloggers suggest he cut em down.
Whatz the motive otherwise? $20 pawnshop cash for camera? Can't see for dude in camo but maybe?
Post by: b0bbyg on June 22, 2017, 08:11:27 AM
Hope you get some resolution to this
Post by: gocougs on June 22, 2017, 09:41:28 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 22, 2017, 10:16:55 AM
Post by: 3dvapor on June 22, 2017, 10:22:52 AM
Post by: haugenna on June 22, 2017, 12:30:43 PM
Good for you getting this guy on camera, and I think it's well worth the time setting up some a hole if he's going to f with your stuff! Who gives to rats azz if he sets up cameras to catch a theif!!!! Catching a thief is the point here, not why did you take the time to set someone up??????!!!!! Damn!
I agree. Gives some perspective on the ethics of people on the site who are supposedly "one of us"
Post by: trophyhunt on June 22, 2017, 01:47:26 PM
:yeah:Good for you getting this guy on camera, and I think it's well worth the time setting up some a hole if he's going to f with your stuff! Who gives to rats azz if he sets up cameras to catch a theif!!!! Catching a thief is the point here, not why did you take the time to set someone up??????!!!!! Damn!
I agree. Gives some perspective on the ethics of people on the site who are supposedly "one of us"
Post by: bullcanyon on June 22, 2017, 02:03:16 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 22, 2017, 02:08:01 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 22, 2017, 02:26:03 PM
Motive for these guys???
Don't know the details...maybe the guy dug out and ditched to create a wallow 5 years ago and has been baiting and salting every year since with well hidden cam and now a new guy shows up and puts cams on the wallow he created. Pissed he doesnt know what to do so bloggers suggest he cut em down.
Whatz the motive otherwise? $20 pawnshop cash for camera? Can't see for dude in camo but maybe?
Funny how that sounds just as possible as anything else.
Not sure if this is public or private land but if its not private then you really don't have a argument other than "I hate thieves". Seems like you went out of your way to lay a trap to catch someone, what was the motivation?
No blaming the victim. Theft is theft. Taking someone else's property that a reasonable person would assume would be reclaimed by the owner at some point, even on public land, is theft.
Post by: JDHasty on June 22, 2017, 02:39:25 PM
Good for you getting this guy on camera, and I think it's well worth the time setting up some a hole if he's going to f with your stuff! Who gives to rats azz if he sets up cameras to catch a theif!!!! Catching a thief is the point here, not why did you take the time to set someone up??????!!!!! Damn!
I agree. Gives some perspective on the ethics of people on the site who are supposedly "one of us"
Ethics is up to the
Post by: huntnphool on June 22, 2017, 02:51:12 PM
Motive for these guys???
Don't know the details...maybe the guy dug out and ditched to create a wallow 5 years ago and has been baiting and salting every year since with well hidden cam and now a new guy shows up and puts cams on the wallow he created. Pissed he doesnt know what to do so bloggers suggest he cut em down.
Whatz the motive otherwise? $20 pawnshop cash for camera? Can't see for dude in camo but maybe?
Funny how that sounds just as possible as anything else.
Not sure if this is public or private land but if its not private then you really don't have a argument other than "I hate thieves". Seems like you went out of your way to lay a trap to catch someone, what was the motivation?
No blaming the victim. Theft is theft. Taking someone else's property that a reasonable person would assume would be reclaimed by the owner at some point, even on public land, is theft.
You mean you can't just go hop in and take that brand new rig parked at the trailhead during hunting season?
Post by: buglebrush on June 22, 2017, 02:54:10 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 22, 2017, 03:21:48 PM
Post by: haugenna on June 22, 2017, 03:31:48 PM
Trail Camera thieves are scum! Not only do they steal a camera, but all the work it represents. I can't stand thieves!!! Sadly many hunters will do about anything if they have no fear of getting caught. :bash:
Interesting choice of words. "Many"?
Post by: Taco280AI on June 22, 2017, 03:49:38 PM
Motive for these guys???
Don't know the details...maybe the guy dug out and ditched to create a wallow 5 years ago and has been baiting and salting every year since with well hidden cam and now a new guy shows up and puts cams on the wallow he created. Pissed he doesnt know what to do so bloggers suggest he cut em down.
Whatz the motive otherwise? $20 pawnshop cash for camera? Can't see for dude in camo but maybe?
Funny how that sounds just as possible as anything else.
Not sure if this is public or private land but if its not private then you really don't have a argument other than "I hate thieves". Seems like you went out of your way to lay a trap to catch someone, what was the motivation?
No blaming the victim. Theft is theft. Taking someone else's property that a reasonable person would assume would be reclaimed by the owner at some point, even on public land, is theft.
You mean you can't just go hop in and take that brand new rig parked at the trailhead during hunting season?
Says who? Abandoned property isn't it? Unless it is on private land its fair game
Post by: huntnphool on June 22, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
Motive for these guys???
Don't know the details...maybe the guy dug out and ditched to create a wallow 5 years ago and has been baiting and salting every year since with well hidden cam and now a new guy shows up and puts cams on the wallow he created. Pissed he doesnt know what to do so bloggers suggest he cut em down.
Whatz the motive otherwise? $20 pawnshop cash for camera? Can't see for dude in camo but maybe?
Funny how that sounds just as possible as anything else.
Not sure if this is public or private land but if its not private then you really don't have a argument other than "I hate thieves". Seems like you went out of your way to lay a trap to catch someone, what was the motivation?
No blaming the victim. Theft is theft. Taking someone else's property that a reasonable person would assume would be reclaimed by the owner at some point, even on public land, is theft.
You mean you can't just go hop in and take that brand new rig parked at the trailhead during hunting season?
Says who? Abandoned property isn't it? Unless it is on private land its fair game
Apparently some think so.
Post by: gaddy on June 22, 2017, 04:07:48 PM
I watched a gal get arrested at a restaurant for taking a girls phone that she had left in the bathroom by mistake. She went to retrieve it-Gone. Cops were called. My wife knew who had picked it up and told the cops. The gal tried to hide it but was arrested for theft and hauled off.
Some one drops a wallet, or leaves it at the checkout counter, next customer picks it up and leaves, Did they steel it ?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 22, 2017, 04:15:31 PM
Post by: pawpaw1934 on June 22, 2017, 05:14:54 PM
Post by: Giggles on June 22, 2017, 05:50:32 PM
Post by: JakeLand on June 22, 2017, 05:52:01 PM
I read posts on this site almost every day...for a long time. This has to be the craziest post thread yet. We clearly have a thief, a victim and then so many second guessers going down rabbit holes or victim blamer's...I am amazed. Morals or lack of morals are clear... If you cut a secured or even take a non secured camera from a tree that is not yours, you are a thief. If you find a camera in the middle of a dirt road that fell off the back of a truck, and you cant identify an owner, then your the benefactor of another's poor luck. If anyone needs advice, I recommend you do not be a thief.... To the original poster, I hope you find the thief and justice is served.
Well said :tup:
Post by: CarbonHunter on June 22, 2017, 07:01:23 PM
No way somebody here or FB hasn't put a name to the thief!
He's probably paying people in game cameras to keep their mouths shut.
Post by: buglebrush on June 22, 2017, 09:09:00 PM
Notice I didn't say "most". It is "many". I've personally had several cameras stolen, and almost everyone I know that runs a lot of cameras has. :twocents:Trail Camera thieves are scum! Not only do they steal a camera, but all the work it represents. I can't stand thieves!!! Sadly many hunters will do about anything if they have no fear of getting caught. :bash:
Interesting choice of words. "Many"?
Post by: GrampasGuns on June 22, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
I read posts on this site almost every day...for a long time. This has to be the craziest post thread yet. We clearly have a thief, a victim and then so many second guessers going down rabbit holes or victim blamer's...I am amazed. Morals or lack of morals are clear... If you cut a secured or even take a non secured camera from a tree that is not yours, you are a thief. If you find a camera in the middle of a dirt road that fell off the back of a truck, and you cant identify an owner, then your the benefactor of another's poor luck. If anyone needs advice, I recommend you do not be a thief.... To the original poster, I hope you find the thief and justice is served.I'm clapping my hands. Thank you.
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Post by: huntingfool7 on June 22, 2017, 09:36:39 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on June 22, 2017, 10:26:27 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on June 22, 2017, 10:27:30 PM
Amazing how many openly condone trail cam theft. Dirt bags are everywhere.
:yeah:
Unfortunately it says a lot about hunters.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 22, 2017, 10:37:23 PM
Amazing how many openly condone trail cam theft. Dirt bags are everywhere.
:yeah:
Unfortunately it says a lot about hunters.
They do? Where? Nowhere in this thread. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: coachcw on June 23, 2017, 06:36:59 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on June 24, 2017, 08:37:18 PM
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 24, 2017, 08:52:41 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 24, 2017, 09:16:44 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on June 24, 2017, 09:25:09 PM
I wrote stuff on my bear box, it said don't be a dirtbag thief and steal this camera and said it has a code for the camera anyway. They tried to steal it anyway, guess they were dirt bags!
:chuckle: nice! :tup:
Post by: elkrack on June 25, 2017, 10:53:49 AM
I wrote stuff on my bear box, it said don't be a dirtbag thief and steal this camera and said it has a code for the camera anyway. They tried to steal it anyway, guess they were dirt bags!
:chuckle:
I've thought of leaving a note similar to this
Post by: hunter399 on June 25, 2017, 01:00:25 PM
Here some reading that can shed some light on the subject.
What Is Abandoned Property?
As a general matter, if a property owner intentionally abandons property, they lose ownership of it. When property is intentionally abandoned, it belongs to nobody until it is found. At that point, title (ownership) transfers to whoever finds it, and takes it with intent to take ownership. This is the general rule created by the common law.
Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property are categories of the common law of property which deals with personal property or chattel which has left the possession of its rightful owner without having directly entered the possession of another person. Property can be considered lost, mislaid or abandoned depending on the circumstances under which it is found by the next party who obtains its possession.
There is an old saying that possession is nine-tenths of the law, perhaps dating back centuries. This means that in most cases, the possessor of a piece of property is its rightful owner without evidence to the contrary. More colloquially, this may be called finders, keepers. The contradiction to this principle is theft by finding, which may occur if conversion occurs after finding someone else's property.
The rights of a finder of such property are determined in part by the status in which it is found. Because these classifications have developed under the common law of England, they turn on nuanced distinctions. The general rule attaching to the three types of property may be summarized as: A finder of property acquires no rights in mislaid property, is entitled to possession of lost property against everyone except the true owner, and is entitled to keep abandoned property.[1] This rule varies by jurisdiction.[2]
slander
n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements, such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease or being unable to perform one's occupation, are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much as if not more than printed publications.
Post by: Taco280AI on June 25, 2017, 01:46:17 PM
I think putting your name on the cam may be the best thing I can do,cause you need to be able to prove that it is yours without a doubt.I don't think I would post pics of this guy without a pic of him in the act of taking it.If you find him he may and could sue you for slander of his name.So in the end you may not want to find him.
Here some reading that can shed some light on the subject.
What Is Abandoned Property?
As a general matter, if a property owner intentionally abandons property, they lose ownership of it. When property is intentionally abandoned, it belongs to nobody until it is found. At that point, title (ownership) transfers to whoever finds it, and takes it with intent to take ownership. This is the general rule created by the common law.
Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property are categories of the common law of property which deals with personal property or chattel which has left the possession of its rightful owner without having directly entered the possession of another person. Property can be considered lost, mislaid or abandoned depending on the circumstances under which it is found by the next party who obtains its possession.
There is an old saying that possession is nine-tenths of the law, perhaps dating back centuries. This means that in most cases, the possessor of a piece of property is its rightful owner without evidence to the contrary. More colloquially, this may be called finders, keepers. The contradiction to this principle is theft by finding, which may occur if conversion occurs after finding someone else's property.
The rights of a finder of such property are determined in part by the status in which it is found. Because these classifications have developed under the common law of England, they turn on nuanced distinctions. The general rule attaching to the three types of property may be summarized as: A finder of property acquires no rights in mislaid property, is entitled to possession of lost property against everyone except the true owner, and is entitled to keep abandoned property.[1] This rule varies by jurisdiction.[2]
slander
n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements, such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease or being unable to perform one's occupation, are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much as if not more than printed publications.
You put quite a bit of info about abandoned property... but guess what, it wasn't abandoned. It was placed there for an amount of time the OP wants to place it, safeguarded by a lock, with the intent of going back to retrieve it. He temporarily left it there, locked up, and was coming back. But if you think it was abandoned property, please let me know where you leave your car or truck. You leave it there, locked, with the intent of coming back to get it. It is exactly the same as the OP and his trail cam. But... in this case you keep calling it abandoned. So by that same logic, when you leave your car or truck, even locked, it is also abandoned and by your definition the title transfers to whoever finds it. GPS coordinates or simple address works for me. :tup:
Call a rat a rat, a thief a thief, they can get their feelers hurt all they want, doesn't change the facts of the situation.
Post by: h20hunter on June 25, 2017, 01:49:09 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 25, 2017, 01:54:50 PM
What? Are you defending the taking of someones trail cam? Are you seriously?
No ,but just putting info on here of what law is.Is there something wrong that.I wouldn't call somebody a thief without better proof.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 25, 2017, 02:01:07 PM
What? Are you defending the taking of someones trail cam? Are you seriously?
He didn't but some valid points were made:
Can you absolutely prove its your camera ?
Can you absolutely prove the accused took it?
If not then maybe step carefully even though you are or may be 100% certain of what happened. The law doesn't care whats right or wrong, only what can be proved.
That sounds like some reasonable advice.
Post by: h20hunter on June 25, 2017, 02:06:21 PM
Post by: BreezyBear on June 25, 2017, 02:37:36 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 25, 2017, 02:45:19 PM
Putting the law out there? You yourself just mentioned recently you have had issues with theft of salt blocks then blow up at anyone and everyone that did a good thing by making sure you knew what is and isnt bait to hopefully spare you the possibility of a citation when you were not intentionally looking for one. Now you cite abandonment to justify theft and say im just citing the law. Spare me. I do agree to an extent regarding proof. I think ge is right but the proof is yet to come.
1) you should have proof before you put someone's pic on the internet,and Facebook that there a thief.otherwise it may be considered slander.
2)Writing your name or taking pic,or serial numbers of your stuff is not new,its no different then when your house gets ripped off,you have to this to prove the stuff yours if you want it returned.
3Off-topic but ok,it fully aware of the laws on baiting bears,and baiting deer and elk,and many others laws .I don't think I need understanding these laws from anybody on here ., But thanks for sharing.
4)I think the owner of this forum may be able to shed some light to you as a mod about the laws of slander.
Post by: Timberstalker on June 25, 2017, 02:50:06 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on June 25, 2017, 03:14:30 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 25, 2017, 05:37:53 PM
Still no address on his abandoned car or truck :dunno:He's from the North East, someone has probably already found his abandoned vehicle and re-purposed it.
Post by: Tbar on June 25, 2017, 06:11:42 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 25, 2017, 06:22:47 PM
So.... What's the guy with the bolt cutters screen name on here? :chuckle:
sharkbait.........jay sharkbait
Post by: hunter399 on June 26, 2017, 12:31:48 AM
I think we just found the guy in the photos :chuckle:I think putting your name on the cam may be the best thing I can do,cause you need to be able to prove that it is yours without a doubt.I don't think I would post pics of this guy without a pic of him in the act of taking it.If you find him he may and could sue you for slander of his name.So in the end you may not want to find him.
Here some reading that can shed some light on the subject.
What Is Abandoned Property?
As a general matter, if a property owner intentionally abandons property, they lose ownership of it. When property is intentionally abandoned, it belongs to nobody until it is found. At that point, title (ownership) transfers to whoever finds it, and takes it with intent to take ownership. This is the general rule created by the common law.
Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property are categories of the common law of property which deals with personal property or chattel which has left the possession of its rightful owner without having directly entered the possession of another person. Property can be considered lost, mislaid or abandoned depending on the circumstances under which it is found by the next party who obtains its possession.
There is an old saying that possession is nine-tenths of the law, perhaps dating back centuries. This means that in most cases, the possessor of a piece of property is its rightful owner without evidence to the contrary. More colloquially, this may be called finders, keepers. The contradiction to this principle is theft by finding, which may occur if conversion occurs after finding someone else's property.
The rights of a finder of such property are determined in part by the status in which it is found. Because these classifications have developed under the common law of England, they turn on nuanced distinctions. The general rule attaching to the three types of property may be summarized as: A finder of property acquires no rights in mislaid property, is entitled to possession of lost property against everyone except the true owner, and is entitled to keep abandoned property.[1] This rule varies by jurisdiction.[2]
slander
n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements, such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease or being unable to perform one's occupation, are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much as if not more than printed publications.
You put quite a bit of info about abandoned property... but guess what, it wasn't abandoned. It was placed there for an amount of time the OP wants to place it, safeguarded by a lock, with the intent of going back to retrieve it. He temporarily left it there, locked up, and was coming back. But if you think it was abandoned property, please let me know where you leave your car or truck. You leave it there, locked, with the intent of coming back to get it. It is exactly the same as the OP and his trail cam. But... in this case you keep calling it abandoned. So by that same logic, when you leave your car or truck, even locked, it is also abandoned and by your definition the title transfers to whoever finds it. GPS coordinates or simple address works for me. :tup:
Call a rat a rat, a thief a thief, they can get their feelers hurt all they want, doesn't change the facts of the situation.
How about you go to the nearest highway pull over ,lock your car up,come back in 48 hours and tell if it's still there. You might learn something about abandonment laws.
Post by: Taco280AI on June 26, 2017, 04:31:06 AM
How about we stick to the woods. You're giving the impression that if someone leaves a locked TC in the woods with the intent of returning to get it that it is abandoned property and the person who takes it is the new rightful owner.
To make it a fair comparison and not a stupid one, you go hunting and leave your truck in the woods locked up, with the intent of coming back to get it. Just as the trail cam, according to you, it is abandoned property and the person who takes it is the new rightful owner.
Or how about you just leave stuff alone that isn't yours :twocents:
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 26, 2017, 04:42:08 AM
If your car is not worth the impound fee and you choose not to pay the wrecker, you have then abandoned your vehicle.
Look into what it takes to have an abandoned vehicle removed from your property. I've done it and it's not as simple as you think. Do some homework on it.
You seem to be missing or intentionally overlooking those last details that would make you think like a normal reasonable person.
It sounds like your working hard at creating a justification that a normal, reasonable person would not.
Post by: trophyhunt on June 26, 2017, 06:02:56 AM
Poor comparison, not even remotely the same :rolleyes::yeah:
How about we stick to the woods. You're giving the impression that if someone leaves a locked TC in the woods with the intent of returning to get it that it is abandoned property and the person who takes it is the new rightful owner.
To make it a fair comparison and not a stupid one, you go hunting and leave your truck in the woods locked up, with the intent of coming back to get it. Just as the trail cam, according to you, it is abandoned property and the person who takes it is the new rightful owner.
Or how about you just leave stuff alone that isn't yours :twocents:
Post by: trophyhunt on June 26, 2017, 06:03:14 AM
Hunter399 Leaving a vehicle on the highway is a safety issue. You don't lose possession of the vehicle because it was "abandoned" and towed. You lost your car because you didn't pay the wrecker to get it back.:yeah:
If your car is not worth the impound fee and you choose not to pay the wrecker, you have then abandoned your vehicle.
Look into what it takes to have an abandoned vehicle removed from your property. I've done it and it's not as simple as you think. Do some homework on it.
You seem to be missing or intentionally overlooking those last details that would make you think like a normal reasonable person.
It sounds like your working hard at creating a justification that a normal, reasonable person would not.
Post by: Okanagan on June 26, 2017, 06:46:44 AM
If so, why should any of us buy a camera when we can go hunting for one in the woods?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 26, 2017, 07:49:42 AM
Post by: h20hunter on June 26, 2017, 07:56:16 AM
Insert not serious voiceover above please.
Post by: hunter399 on June 26, 2017, 10:22:41 AM
Property can be considered lost, mislaid or abandoned depending on the circumstances under which it is found by the next party who obtains its possession
When it's locked to a tree ,I'm sure it is stolen.
Compare a car with a title of owner ,to game cam that's personal property is a poor example.
Don't expect returned unless you can prove its yours .
I do think as more time goes on,more times wardens have to deal with this kind of thieft ,game cam laws may change in the future.Look at tree stands and hunting blinds on public ground ,if someone is in your blind before you ,they have the right to be there.similar laws will come for game cams.
Done with this topic ,take what I posted about abanded property anyway u like.For all of that follow the law to letter ,I don't see you having a problem. :twocents:
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 26, 2017, 11:00:51 AM
Compare a car with a title of owner ,to game cam that's personal property is a poor example.
I like the example. It points out similarities and some obvious differences. I bought property with multiple abandoned vehicles on it and a bear stand. I jumped through the hoops to get the vehicles removed. The tree stand was different. I taped a note to it along with an empty bottle of the owners favorite bear bait. Said come talk to me, your gear is on my property with a phone #. I removed those items some time latter without ever getting a phone call. :dunno: :chuckle:
Maybe he's the guy that tried to steal one of my cams down there. All of the cameras that I've lost have been on private property. I guess trespassers don't like having their pictures taken. While I can't I.D. them all, I've gotten pretty good at putting names to them and thinning them out of my little slice of American Pie.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 26, 2017, 11:58:27 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on June 26, 2017, 12:03:16 PM
Multiple trail cams at one spot works wonders.Yep, that's how I got a trespasser to come clean. "No I wasn't on your property and no you don't have a photo of me" Then you show them the photo from the camera that they didn't open up and delete the photos from and the story changes, "Oh yeah that was me on that camera but I didn't delete the photos from the other camera. What happened was....." Blah blah blah.
The guy on your cam is certainly someone that I would like to talk to if I were you. Good luck on catching whoever took your cam.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 26, 2017, 12:12:09 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on June 26, 2017, 03:51:59 PM
If it IS me who is imagining things about this thread, feel free to be hostile towards me. That way I'll know for sure.
Post by: Timberstalker on June 26, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
Is it me, or is this thread a perfect example of how people love to be hostile to each other?
If it IS me who is imagining things about this thread, feel free to be hostile towards me. That way I'll know for sure.
Seems normal for this time of the year. Are you sure the tinfoil didn't slip down and obscure your vision?
Only kidding - don't verbally assault me. :chuckle:
Post by: meatwhack on June 28, 2017, 01:17:06 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on June 28, 2017, 01:25:40 PM
Post by: JDHasty on June 28, 2017, 01:27:24 PM
I'm just excited I can claim everything I come across in the woods as mine. Beer, BBQ meats in coolers, trucks... it was just sitting in the woods, you guys must have abandoned it and didn't want it anymore. Finders keepers suckers :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Just make sure that originally belonged to one of those who are so generous with what equipment belongs to others and I don't have any problem with you staking claim to it
Post by: Taco280AI on June 28, 2017, 01:31:33 PM
I'm just excited I can claim everything I come across in the woods as mine. Beer, BBQ meats in coolers, trucks... it was just sitting in the woods, you guys must have abandoned it and didn't want it anymore. Finders keepers suckers :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Just make sure that originally belonged to one of those who are so generous with what equipment belongs to others and I don't have any problem with you staking claim to it
:tup:
Post by: idaho guy on June 28, 2017, 02:06:19 PM
I think putting your name on the cam may be the best thing I can do,cause you need to be able to prove that it is yours without a doubt.I don't think I would post pics of this guy without a pic of him in the act of taking it.If you find him he may and could sue you for slander of his name.So in the end you may not want to find him.
Here some reading that can shed some light on the subject.
What Is Abandoned Property?
As a general matter, if a property owner intentionally abandons property, they lose ownership of it. When property is intentionally abandoned, it belongs to nobody until it is found. At that point, title (ownership) transfers to whoever finds it, and takes it with intent to take ownership. This is the general rule created by the common law.
Lost, mislaid, and abandoned property are categories of the common law of property which deals with personal property or chattel which has left the possession of its rightful owner without having directly entered the possession of another person. Property can be considered lost, mislaid or abandoned depending on the circumstances under which it is found by the next party who obtains its possession.
There is an old saying that possession is nine-tenths of the law, perhaps dating back centuries. This means that in most cases, the possessor of a piece of property is its rightful owner without evidence to the contrary. More colloquially, this may be called finders, keepers. The contradiction to this principle is theft by finding, which may occur if conversion occurs after finding someone else's property.
The rights of a finder of such property are determined in part by the status in which it is found. Because these classifications have developed under the common law of England, they turn on nuanced distinctions. The general rule attaching to the three types of property may be summarized as: A finder of property acquires no rights in mislaid property, is entitled to possession of lost property against everyone except the true owner, and is entitled to keep abandoned property.[1] This rule varies by jurisdiction.[2]
slander
n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements, such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease or being unable to perform one's occupation, are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much as if not more than printed publications.
this is pure bullcrap-I hope you catch the thief! I also have had cams ripped off and it sucks. I might try the same thing in one particular spot
Post by: h20hunter on June 28, 2017, 02:13:44 PM