Post by: hunter399 on June 23, 2017, 08:48:10 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 08:48:49 AM
Post by: Miles on June 23, 2017, 08:54:27 AM
Post by: hunter399 on June 23, 2017, 08:54:43 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 08:58:24 AM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on June 23, 2017, 08:58:55 AM
Post by: KFhunter on June 23, 2017, 08:59:57 AM
100% BLACK BEAR
:yeah:
100%
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2017, 09:06:22 AM
Post by: hunter399 on June 23, 2017, 09:11:26 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
No bait,just salt block you buy from feed store.
That's baiting.
Post by: hunter399 on June 23, 2017, 09:24:17 AM
Salt only is not baiting bear .So your telling me I can't put salt or minerals out for deer at my game cams .Comments like this is why I don't like posting here anymore .And further more you better go post that on about the other dozen posts in the trail cam thread about your feeling on salt as bait for bears.Can a mod please delete this thread I'm done posting my pics on trail cam thread,Thank You.No bait,just salt block you buy from feed store.
That's baiting.
Post by: Timberstalker on June 23, 2017, 09:29:00 AM
Salt only is not baiting bear .So your telling me I can't put salt or minerals out for deer at my game cams .Comments like this is why I don't like posting here anymore .And further more you better go post that on about the other dozen posts in the trail cam thread about your feeling on salt as bait for bears.No bait,just salt block you buy from feed store.
That's baiting.
Pman is looking to cause problems, I can assure you of that.
Anything you put physically put out in the woods, that attracts bears is bait. Period. This has been beat to death on here.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 09:29:48 AM
:chuckle:Salt only is not baiting bear .So your telling me I can't put salt or minerals out for deer at my game cams .Comments like this is why I don't like posting here anymore .And further more you better go post that on about the other dozen posts in the trail cam thread about your feeling on salt as bait for bears.No bait,just salt block you buy from feed store.
That's baiting.
Pman is looking to cause problems, I can assure you of that.
Anything you put physically put out in the woods, that attracts bears is bait. Period. This has been beat to death on here.
Post by: Timberstalker on June 23, 2017, 09:30:32 AM
Unlawful practices—Black bear baiting—Exceptions—Illegal hunting—Use of dogs—Exceptions—Penalties.
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on June 23, 2017, 09:31:58 AM
you can put bait out for bear to take pictures ect just cant shoot them. no one is bashing you just trying to tell you that you could get in trouble for shooting that bear over salt. it is NOT legal
Post by: Timberstalker on June 23, 2017, 09:33:00 AM
:chuckle:Salt only is not baiting bear .So your telling me I can't put salt or minerals out for deer at my game cams .Comments like this is why I don't like posting here anymore .And further more you better go post that on about the other dozen posts in the trail cam thread about your feeling on salt as bait for bears.No bait,just salt block you buy from feed store.
That's baiting.
Pman is looking to cause problems, I can assure you of that.
Anything you put physically put out in the woods, that attracts bears is bait. Period. This has been beat to death on here.
Sorry PMan, I actually meant to type "Pman isn't looking...
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 09:34:06 AM
Salt only is not baiting bear .So your telling me I can't put salt or minerals out for deer at my game cams .Comments like this is why I don't like posting here anymore .And further more you better go post that on about the other dozen posts in the trail cam thread about your feeling on salt as bait for bears.Can a mod please delete this thread I'm done posting my pics on trail cam thread,Thank You.No bait,just salt block you buy from feed store.
That's baiting.
:chuckle: Were I you, I'd get clarification from your local gamie. He/she's the one writing the tickets. And, get another cup of coffee...with some whiskey in it. :tup:
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2017, 09:34:31 AM
Needs to be naturally occuring like an apple tree....not placed apples.....or say a gut pile that was from a harvested deer. You xan hunt the pile but you can't place it or move it.
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2017, 09:37:01 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on June 23, 2017, 09:38:37 AM
Salt only is not baiting bear .So your telling me I can't put salt or minerals out for deer at my game cams .Comments like this is why I don't like posting here anymore .And further more you better go post that on about the other dozen posts in the trail cam thread about your feeling on salt as bait for bears.Can a mod please delete this thread I'm done posting my pics on trail cam thread,Thank You.No bait,just salt block you buy from feed store.
That's baiting.
That escalated quickly. Buddy, no one is dogging you here, they're stating a fact. No one wants you to get in trouble. They really are saving you from a huge hassle. Salt and minerals are considered bait because they attract animals, period. That includes bears. You can put it out to get pictures of bears, but you cannot shoot one over it.
Take a couple deep breaths, realize we aren't getting on your case, but are watching your back.
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2017, 09:39:18 AM
100%
Post by: 7mmfan on June 23, 2017, 09:39:45 AM
Another example....I dumped some wet cob a while back...the oats sprouted. I can hunt the growth from the seeds later on but can't hunt bears over a pile of cob.
Are you sure about that? Is it a food plot deal? I'll admit, I'm a baiting novice. Just know the basics.
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2017, 09:42:05 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on June 23, 2017, 09:44:31 AM
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2017, 09:50:26 AM
@hunter399. Relax brother! If you do a little search on here I've got a,ton of bears chowing on apples, cob, you name it. The regs quoted are clear about what is considered bait and frankly many people assume things like salt, minerals, and even scent are not bait. Instead of getting riled up mayve a thanks is in order from saving you the hassle of being questioned about hunting over bait even though it is clear you were not intentionally doing anything wrong.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 09:55:46 AM
Post by: Curly on June 23, 2017, 09:58:59 AM
I don't think it is but the color is giving me problems.The photo isn't showing for me... :dunno:
Post by: 7mmfan on June 23, 2017, 09:59:14 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on June 23, 2017, 09:59:28 AM
I don't think it is but the color is giving me problems.The photo isn't showing for me... :dunno:
he deleted them.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 23, 2017, 10:00:52 AM
Its barely 1 month until we can start shooting bears again!Yep, 5 weeks. :drool:
Post by: hunter399 on June 23, 2017, 10:15:47 AM
1) My cams and all salt is removed on or before Sept 1,::) salt block in question is three years old .Mainly do to theft,and the amount of hunters in the area.
2)I don't hunt over my game cams,there used as a scouting tool only.
3)I'm not gonna be apart of your guys little witch hunt to try and teach me something I already know.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 10:18:29 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on June 23, 2017, 10:22:23 AM
That's the inherent problem with written communication, so much gets lost in the translation. We're all forced to assume things, and you know what they say about assuming things...
Theres no witch hunt here, I'm 100% confident everyone involved here was looking out for you. Have a good day.
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2017, 10:23:08 AM
Best of luck, find that cinny bear away from the salt and make him into a rug. Ill be the 1st to say nice job.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 10:26:57 AM
Post by: hunter399 on June 23, 2017, 10:28:05 AM
No bait,just salt block you buy from feed store.
That's baiting.
Ya this is accusing me of baiting.
Post by: Curly on June 23, 2017, 10:30:06 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on June 23, 2017, 10:30:24 AM
We were simply making you aware of a potential problem (looks like you know baiting laws, according to your claims).
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
Ok then. Carry on. Good luck this season, shoot straight, may all your game fall where it stands and your tags get filled.
Post by: 7mmfan on June 23, 2017, 10:32:45 AM
No bait,just salt block you buy from feed store.
That's baiting.
Ya this is accusing me of baiting.
No. Its not. Its you saying that salt is not bait, which it is, and someone clarifying that for you. Time to accept that.
Post by: 7mmfan on June 23, 2017, 10:34:02 AM
Post by: hunter399 on June 23, 2017, 10:36:29 AM
Bait" is any substance that could serve as a lure, food, or attraction for deer or elk Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful to hunt for deer and elk using any type of bait placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting deer or elk with the intent to hunt them, if the volume of bait accessible to wildlife exceeds 10 gallons Bait sites of an individual license holder cannot be placed within 200 yards from another known bait site or another bait site of the same license
Post by: 7mmfan on June 23, 2017, 10:40:31 AM
I will add it is legal to bait deer and elk,so there is a fine line between baiting bears and baiting deer and elk,so being the only bait that bears won't eat.I find it hard to call it baiting bears.
Bait" is any substance that could serve as a lure, food, or attraction for deer or elk Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful to hunt for deer and elk using any type of bait placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting deer or elk with the intent to hunt them, if the volume of bait accessible to wildlife exceeds 10 gallons Bait sites of an individual license holder cannot be placed within 200 yards from another known bait site or another bait site of the same license
That's a fair assumption, and I don't disagree with you that it's a minimally effective bait, but under the letter of the law, it is still considered bait.
I 1000000000% guarantee you that if you killed a bear out of a stand where there was a salt or mineral block, and a game warden happened upon you, you would be cited for hunting bear over bait. Period. No questions asked.
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2017, 10:42:34 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 10:44:52 AM
Post by: Bob33 on June 23, 2017, 10:50:22 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on June 23, 2017, 10:52:01 AM
Salt is bait. If you don't agree good luck and if you get ticketed for shooting a bear that was on that salt that's your deal.
You would have been pissed off if you shot that bear, got a ticket, came on here complaining that you didn't know salt was a bait and everyone chimed in "yeah I knew it was bait and you were going to get busted but I didn't say anything to you." The complaint wouldn't be that we were on a baiting witch hunt it would be that we didn't help a fellow hunter not make an obvious mistake.
Nothing wrong with salt and bears on camera. Big no no if you shoot a bear that you knew was coming into salt.
Post by: h20hunter on June 23, 2017, 10:53:02 AM
Post by: KFhunter on June 23, 2017, 10:54:59 AM
Salt attracts deer and other animals. Deer attract bears. It would be hard to make a case that salt isn't bear bait.
deer are naturally occurring bait :tung:
Post by: hunter399 on June 23, 2017, 11:37:43 AM
I was gonna post them here and was gonna be my thread for the entire year up till September 1, Can't post them now do to legal reasons cause of salt I guess.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,214022.0.html
No hard feelings anybody,Please don't pm Thank You.
Post by: KFhunter on June 23, 2017, 11:52:51 AM
form deleted, I didn't see the bad word
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 11:54:46 AM
Post by: bknilvr00 on June 23, 2017, 11:58:56 AM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 23, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on June 23, 2017, 12:05:17 PM
Post by: bknilvr00 on June 23, 2017, 12:06:20 PM
I heard this from a master baiter once and you can take this with a grain of salt, "salt is an attractant/bait".Oh you
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Post by: Bob33 on June 23, 2017, 12:07:24 PM
I heard this from a master baiter once and you can take this with a grain of salt, "salt is an attractant/bait".In the old days, they used magazines.
Post by: KFhunter on June 23, 2017, 12:09:45 PM
Hunter399 I just caught this thread, while you might perceive that everyone's jumping on your case that's not what I see. No one knows you, no one knows your level of understanding of what the laws might be when it comes to baiting. You should be thankful for everyone's concern when they thought perhaps you might not have known which is a very easy conclusion to come by with your words. I know the laws better than most and even I get a surprise now and then.
Taking your pictures away is a childish move. What it will lead to is loosing post editing privileges like a lot of other forums.
Post by: Timberstalker on June 23, 2017, 12:10:54 PM
I heard this from a master baiter once and you can take this with a grain of salt, "salt is an attractant/bait".In the old days, they used magazines.
LMAO
Post by: Timberstalker on June 23, 2017, 12:14:01 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on June 23, 2017, 12:24:02 PM
:yeah:
Hunter399 I just caught this thread, while you might perceive that everyone's jumping on your case that's not what I see. No one knows you, no one knows your level of understanding of what the laws might be when it comes to baiting. You should be thankful for everyone's concern when they thought perhaps you might not have known which is a very easy conclusion to come by with your words. I know the laws better than most and even I get a surprise now and then.
Post by: hunter399 on June 23, 2017, 12:39:13 PM
Post by: Curly on June 23, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
:o
Post by: KFhunter on June 23, 2017, 01:08:51 PM
Post by: kentrek on June 23, 2017, 01:19:21 PM
I think he was triggered and retreated to his safe space #fakeoutrage
And this is a productive post ??
#crappy moderator
Post by: greenhead_killer on June 23, 2017, 01:21:29 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 01:23:45 PM
Post by: KFhunter on June 23, 2017, 01:24:52 PM
I think he was triggered and retreated to his safe space #fakeoutrage
And this is a productive post ??
#crappy moderator
Should I always have to wear kid gloves?
He took his soccer ball and went home because someone tried to help him with the rules of the game. Yes I realize my name is blue and perhaps I should keep all my posts positive and nurturing, and I do try to....but I'm also a member here like anyone else is.
but because my name is blue I'm not allowed to call BS when I see it?
Post by: hunter399 on June 23, 2017, 01:25:06 PM
No bait,just salt block you buy from feed store.
That's baiting.
Here is your accusation on page 1.
Thanks for the info on baiting.
Ya I like my safe place a lot better than this forum.
I value my clean hunting record ,and value hunting a lot ,like my right to hunt.That's why the pics are not being reposted.About the same as this forum not saying certain outfitters name .I'm just not gonna deal with it ,easy just not to post trail cam pic no more.You can talk bad about me say what you want ,i don't care.Call me thin skin,put it anyway you like.But I value my hunting record,and hunting rights way above this forum.
Post by: kentrek on June 23, 2017, 01:25:54 PM
We all going to turn on each other now, gnashing teeth and snarling? I suggest the post be locked. It serves no positive purpose.
Hey the dude had a short fuse,maybe having a bad day and came on here to relax and get away for a sec...no reason to start jumping on him to make it worse
Post by: kentrek on June 23, 2017, 01:28:51 PM
I think he was triggered and retreated to his safe space #fakeoutrage
And this is a productive post ??
#crappy moderator
Should I always have to wear kid gloves?
He took his soccer ball and went home because someone tried to help him with the rules of the game. Yes I realize my name is blue and perhaps I should keep all my posts positive and nurturing, and I do try to....but I'm also a member here like anyone else is.
but because my name is blue I'm not allowed to call BS when I see it?
Your not calling bs your kicking someone while there down....theres nothing for you to call bs on even, the ball started to roll down hill and you sana see how far it goes
Like I said, crap moderator
Post by: KFhunter on June 23, 2017, 01:29:47 PM
We all going to turn on each other now, gnashing teeth and snarling? I suggest the post be locked. It serves no positive purpose.
Hey the dude had a short fuse,maybe having a bad day and came on here to relax and get away for a sec...no reason to start jumping on him to make it worse
He did more than that, he went around deleting pictures and disrupting several other threads.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 01:31:00 PM
We all going to turn on each other now, gnashing teeth and snarling? I suggest the post be locked. It serves no positive purpose.
Hey the dude had a short fuse,maybe having a bad day and came on here to relax and get away for a sec...no reason to start jumping on him to make it worse
If you look through the first two pages of posts, you'll see that everyone was EXTREMELY accommodating of this person, regardless of his continuing negative posts. I continued to be non-engaging. At some point though, someone like this is encouraging a negative response. I also feel like the post has worn out its usefulness completely, though.
Post by: KFhunter on June 23, 2017, 01:32:01 PM
I think he was triggered and retreated to his safe space #fakeoutrage
And this is a productive post ??
#crappy moderator
Should I always have to wear kid gloves?
He took his soccer ball and went home because someone tried to help him with the rules of the game. Yes I realize my name is blue and perhaps I should keep all my posts positive and nurturing, and I do try to....but I'm also a member here like anyone else is.
but because my name is blue I'm not allowed to call BS when I see it?
Your not calling bs your kicking someone while there down....theres nothing for you to call bs on even, the ball started to roll down hill and you sana see how far it goes
Like I said, crap moderator
He's not down, he's throwing a tantrum and you want to give him a lollipop for his behavior. He's went around deleting pictures in multiple threads, disrupting some of the best things about this forum.
Post by: KFhunter on June 23, 2017, 01:34:47 PM
We all going to turn on each other now, gnashing teeth and snarling? I suggest the post be locked. It serves no positive purpose.
I'm not taking any action on this thread as I'm directly engaged. I recuse myself. I've not moderated a single thing on this thread.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 23, 2017, 01:36:03 PM
Post by: kentrek on June 23, 2017, 01:36:43 PM
We all going to turn on each other now, gnashing teeth and snarling? I suggest the post be locked. It serves no positive purpose.
Hey the dude had a short fuse,maybe having a bad day and came on here to relax and get away for a sec...no reason to start jumping on him to make it worse
If you look through the first two pages of posts, you'll see that everyone was EXTREMELY accommodating of this person, regardless of his continuing negative posts. I continued to be non-engaging. At some point though, someone like this is encouraging a negative response. I also feel like the post has worn out its usefulness completely, though.
I agree there was alil miscommunication and short temper but why see how many buttons you can push? (Not you piano)
It's his photos, he can do what he wants....
Go ahead tho and jump on the guy and see how great you make the forum :tup:
Post by: Timberstalker on June 23, 2017, 01:37:09 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on June 23, 2017, 01:39:38 PM
For anyone that cares, salt is considered bait and everyone should be aware that if you know an animal is coming in to that bait and you are not allowed to bait that species you run the risk of being ticketed if you harvest that animal. At the very least you are breaking the law by harvesting that animal.
Bait for cameras is perfectly fine.
Whether you agree with the law or definition of bait is up to you and the system.