Post by: bigdave on February 24, 2009, 10:26:03 PM
It got me thinking, because I never want to be at the mercy of the mob and unable to protect my family.
Crime is rising here in Spokane. Criminals are getting more and more desperate. You used to be able to avoid it by carefully choosing when/where you go, but know I read of people getting mugged in places that I go regularly. It will only get worse as the economy gets worse.
So, I come hat in hand looking for direction. I am very comfortable around rifles for hunting, but I have never owned a pistol or a shotgun. I need to get started with the purchasing and also get some training as well. I'm on the eastside. I would rather start with simple and effective and as I become more proficient upgrade if possible.
Talk to me about makes, models, calibers of pistols or shotguns. Talk to me about what to look for in a good gun shop/school. Talk to me about what it takes to get a carry permit. Should I throw some self defense classes in the mix? Any books or other resources you would recommend? Anything you share to help move me toward this goal I value. I will not be a helpless victim.
I value your opinion,
Dave
Post by: Gutpile on February 25, 2009, 07:27:37 AM
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I prefer a small revolver for a carry pistol. It's a S&W 642 in 38 special + P. Quite often I'll have a 40 or 45 in the truck.
Here's mine
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Post by: CP on February 25, 2009, 07:35:27 AM
You will hear that you need .40 or .45 for protection but a .38 or 9mm or even .380 are probably better bets for someone new to handguns.
I suggest that go rent a few different styles and calibers at a gun range to get the feel of what you prefer.
For a CPL, go to your local Law Enforcement office and ask for the form. Fill it out and wait 30 days. That's all it takes.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on February 25, 2009, 07:38:20 AM
I carried one for 8 years in the Army. Good guns.
I also purchased a Blackhawk Serpa holster for it. :tup:
Going in today to file my CPL paperwork. :IBCOOL:
Post by: Gutpile on February 25, 2009, 07:40:10 AM
Sharp shooters does have guns to rent.
As far as conceiled carry permits. You go down to the courthouse fill out the paperwork, get your prints taken, pay the $70.00 or so, and wait. I think the time to get a conceiled permit is right now.
Post by: bigdave on February 25, 2009, 08:16:52 AM
I was thinking sharp shooting maybe as they were the only one I was aware of that gives classes.
Rental to try them out sounds like a good idea.
What is your opinion about self-defense classes? Anybody taken them? I know it sounds kinda wussy but I'm a big guy and growing up I got in some fights but was always encouraged to avoid if possible. Most guys didn't want to mess with me cause I was bigger than them. As a guy ages he losses some of that confidence I guess. :)
Thanks for the input guys.
Dave
Post by: CP on February 25, 2009, 08:27:06 AM
Post by: JoshT on February 25, 2009, 08:30:39 AM
Get out and shoot a couple of IDPA matches... that's the best concealed pistol personal defense type training I can think of. The guys are always very helpful, and the fact is... it's just plain fun. A word of advice though... go get your CPL RIGHT NOW!!! even if you don't have a pistol yet, if you're looking to get one... better get the lisence now.
Post by: addicted on February 25, 2009, 08:35:44 AM
Makes the bad guys dissapear fast.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on February 25, 2009, 08:45:05 AM
Whatcom County-$55.25
Skagit County-$55.25
Snohomish County- $55.25
King county is $60
Pierce County- $55.25
Thurston County- 55.25
Post by: GoldTip on February 25, 2009, 08:52:14 AM
the taurus judge. Shoots 45 colt and .410 shot gun shells :drool: Built with self defence in mind it would also be a great scouting/hunting sidearm for when anything comes out from a grouse to a bear.
Makes the bad guys dissapear fast.
Thats a gnarly little pistola right there, especially when it comes to self defense. I have shot one however, and would not recommend it for someone new to handguns. A 45 long colt is a pretty stiff round and the 410 shell going off gets your attention if your not used to shooting hi-power pistola's. For someone new to handguns I would recommend a 9mm in semi-auto or a 38/357 in revolver. Both are inexpensive to shoot and easy to get comfy with. Another option would be a short barrelled 22magnum revolver. Almost no recoil, fairly inexpensive to shoot, and definitely will get someone's attention when hit with it, and little risk of pass through's and the innocent bystander getting hit. My personal home and pack weapon for the "hood" is a Glock 9mm with Hi-cap mags and tritium sights. In the woods I pack my Ruger alaskan in 454 casull.
Post by: HawkenBob on February 25, 2009, 09:02:15 AM
Imo, 38's and 9's are for tin cans. 357 is for that dead MoFo that picked the wrong house!
Post by: rasbo on February 25, 2009, 09:07:04 AM
I carry a modded SP101 in 357. Its small and has serious power. Not only is it a good home/self defense pistol as it shoots 38's, 38+P and the 357 magnum. But its good in the woods too for critters up to about 400 pounds.I carry the ruger sp 101 great hand gun
Imo, 38's and 9's are for tin cans. 357 is for that dead MoFo that picked the wrong house!
Post by: Intruder on February 25, 2009, 09:14:10 AM
In the woods I pack my Ruger alaskan in 454 casull.
Cripes Goldtip... ya gatta be your size to pack and shoot that bugger :chuckle:
Glock in a 40 S/W would be my choice if it were purely as a self defense gun. A 357 in a wheel gun is tough to beat based on the points others have made.
Post by: CP on February 25, 2009, 09:43:25 AM
Post by: addicted on February 25, 2009, 09:56:19 AM
Thats a gnarly little pistola right there, especially when it comes to self defense. I have shot one however, and would not recommend it for someone new to handguns.
thanks for putting in some common sense gold tip. got a little excited. :chuckle:
Post by: Slider on February 25, 2009, 10:15:52 AM
Post by: GoldTip on February 25, 2009, 11:45:41 AM
In the woods I pack my Ruger alaskan in 454 casull.
Cripes Goldtip... ya gatta be your size to pack and shoot that bugger :chuckle:
Glock in a 40 S/W would be my choice if it were purely as a self defense gun. A 357 in a wheel gun is tough to beat based on the points others have made.
Yeah, that 454 casull is one heck of a hand cannon, and with that short barrel it's perfect for packing while bowhunting and I can just shoot in the direction of something and it falls over dead! :chuckle:
Post by: 12Gauge on February 25, 2009, 12:59:48 PM
My carry pistol is a commander model in .38Super. Home defense gun is a Mossberg 500 with an 18.5 barrel. A pump shotgun has a distinct sound when being cocked and I think most people know what that is. If your an intruder and you hear that sound, that's the que to run.
You know how people shot themselves, it is because they are not paying attention, fooling around with the gun or suicide. I know this fellow who shot himself in the foot with a .45LC, how did he do it? he was trying to quick draw with it.
If I had to chose a revolver it would be a Ruger GP100 with a 4" barrel.
Post by: blindpig on February 25, 2009, 01:26:50 PM
For home defense you can’t beat a short barreled 12 gauge, open cylinder pump action. #4 Buck shot if you have neighbors, #00 if you don’t.
That's what I have, home defense shotgun, ready to go with buckshot.
Post by: Bofire on February 25, 2009, 01:33:49 PM
Go sign up for a martial arts class, not some Joe dude tough guy class, a class aimed at young people is good. it is lots of fun, get your kids into it. Teaches respect and discipline. You will find after a couple years a large amount of confidence.
Carl
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on February 25, 2009, 01:48:15 PM
Post by: NW-Eric on February 25, 2009, 01:50:34 PM
You can learn how to do a judy chop! :chuckle: :chuckle:
yes sur a judy chop will gitur dun
Post by: rasbo on February 25, 2009, 01:53:20 PM
Post by: bigdave on February 25, 2009, 02:58:14 PM
But my wife will argue that a cape is cheaper than a gun and I already dress like a dork so there is no down side. :chuckle:
Thanks guys
Post by: Wenatcheejay on February 25, 2009, 04:01:54 PM
I have a Model 27 Glock in 40 SW. It shoots a 155gr at a blistering 1300 fps. for 582 ft. lbs. SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT. Everyone I know that has one ABSOLUTY Luvs it!!! Including myself. It has some internal parts from Lone Wolf and night sights. It is my favorite gun to shoot!!!
+1
This is my carry with silver tip 155gr. I also have the +1 on the clips for a little more grip. (And Night Sites.) I shot a coyote at 90 yds and took it right off its feet.
I would recommend some training if you are new to pistols and CWP but that is your choice. Here is one place I would recommend to get it.
http://www.firearmsacademy.com/
You also have to think about how you are going to CWP. I recommend Blade-tec holsters but there are many good ones.
Hope this helps,
Jay
Post by: jdb on February 25, 2009, 06:28:48 PM
Post by: Airnip on February 25, 2009, 09:14:22 PM
The advice is to say to the responding police: I thought he/they were going to kill me. There was no other choice but to kill him/them first. I'm really upset and don't know what else I could have done. Then let the police know you are too upset to talk right now.
We American's still have a right to remain silent; use it.
Tough to conjure up a scene where an attorney is going to make a quick appearance. Do lawyers really chase around after ambulances? Public defenders are assigned cases at arraignments.
Post by: Craig on February 25, 2009, 09:42:24 PM
Post by: addicted on February 26, 2009, 03:16:49 AM
Post by: jdb on February 26, 2009, 07:18:56 AM
45acp is a people killer. Flying ashtrays. Really soft on the shot as well. Only flying 700 or 800 fps i think.agreed
Post by: Intruder on February 26, 2009, 10:14:25 AM
For home defense you can’t beat a short barreled 12 gauge, open cylinder pump action. #4 Buck shot if you have neighbors, #00 if you don’t.
The ol' 12 g pump is the best for home defense.
Post by: RailRob on February 26, 2009, 01:20:31 PM
Post by: CP on February 27, 2009, 07:11:26 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 27, 2009, 07:15:14 AM
love it!
Post by: addicted on February 27, 2009, 07:26:18 AM
Post by: 12Gauge on February 27, 2009, 08:45:45 AM
Post by: 7mag. on February 27, 2009, 10:39:51 AM
Go get your concealed permit now, today. It is easy, inexpensive and worth it. I got mine (12 years ago) and it took 3 days. My brother got his 2 years ago and it took 3 days. The thing to remember when waiting for your permit to come in is that it is up to the Chief of Police's discretion. While it only took 3 days for my original, it took 2 weeks for my last renewal. Try and have your permit before you buy a handgun if possible. There is no waiting period for concealed carry permit holders on handgun purchases. You can leave the store with it the day you buy it.
The most important thing is to BE RESPONSIBLE. Concealed carry permit holders have a history of being responsible, let's keep it that way.
Post by: RailRob on February 27, 2009, 10:42:21 AM
Post by: CP on February 27, 2009, 11:20:09 AM
The thing to remember when waiting for your permit to come in is that it is up to the Chief of Police's discretion.
Not sure what you meant by that. WA is a “shall issue” state; shall issue within 30 days. Neither the Chief of Police nor anyone else can withhold issuing you a CPL if you are legally entitled to own a firearm
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on February 27, 2009, 04:11:37 PM
Post by: Slider on February 27, 2009, 04:28:03 PM
Post by: Gutpile on February 27, 2009, 04:39:58 PM
For those guys who carry a revolver, How many speadloaders do you carry?
None. I am not who thinks that I will be in a gun fight, dodging around parked cars like in the movies. Bottom line, if some guy tries to jack you up and you stick ANYTHING in his mug, ge's gonna get the hell out of town in a hurry. Maybe..... maybe one or two shots fired and the bad guy AND me is going to get the hell out of dodge. I'm all about light and easy to shoot handguns in town. Nobody will convince me I'm going to need 3 mags with 16 rounds each. Besides whats the saying? "any gun is better than no gun"
That said. I carry a full size CZ 75b .40 cal, Kimber 1911 .45, Or a .44 mag when out in the boonies where conceilment is not as big an issue.
Post by: 12Gauge on February 28, 2009, 02:58:56 AM
For those guys who carry a revolver, How many speadloaders do you carry?
None. I am not who thinks that I will be in a gun fight, dodging around parked cars like in the movies. Bottom line, if some guy tries to jack you up and you stick ANYTHING in his mug, ge's gonna get the hell out of town in a hurry. Maybe..... maybe one or two shots fired and the bad guy AND me is going to get the hell out of dodge. I'm all about light and easy to shoot handguns in town. Nobody will convince me I'm going to need 3 mags with 16 rounds each. Besides whats the saying? "any gun is better than no gun"
That said. I carry a full size CZ 75b .40 cal, Kimber 1911 .45, Or a .44 mag when out in the boonies where conceilment is not as big an issue.
I have been involve in gun battles before when I served in desert storm desert shield. I know what it feels like to be shot at and how it feels when your bullet hits another human being. Do not tell by just pulling a gun on some one face will make them running, Ive been there done that, it does not work all the time, you know what else they shoot back.
One way to get rid of them is to over power them with superior fire power, ie shooting towards the enemy as you maneuver towards their position for the kill. That is where you need all the rounds you got on you, if you don't then your dead meat.
If you did not notice my signature it says " Semper Fi" Indicating the Marine Corps moto of Always Faithful.
So there Gutpile, "the expert on gun battles" how many shoot out have you had and how many confirm kills for you?
Tell me your experience not your theories. DON"T INSULT ME AGAIN
Post by: billythekidrock on February 28, 2009, 06:23:14 AM
For those guys who carry a revolver, How many speadloaders do you carry?
None. I am not who thinks that I will be in a gun fight, dodging around parked cars like in the movies. Bottom line, if some guy tries to jack you up and you stick ANYTHING in his mug, ge's gonna get the hell out of town in a hurry. Maybe..... maybe one or two shots fired and the bad guy AND me is going to get the hell out of dodge. I'm all about light and easy to shoot handguns in town. Nobody will convince me I'm going to need 3 mags with 16 rounds each. Besides whats the saying? "any gun is better than no gun"
That said. I carry a full size CZ 75b .40 cal, Kimber 1911 .45, Or a .44 mag when out in the boonies where conceilment is not as big an issue.
I have been involve in gun battles before when I served in desert storm desert shield. I know what it feels like to be shot at and how it feels when your bullet hits another human being. Do not tell by just pulling a gun on some one face will make them running, Ive been there done that, it does not work all the time, you know what else they shoot back.
One way to get rid of them is to over power them with superior fire power, ie shooting towards the enemy as you maneuver towards their position for the kill. That is where you need all the rounds you got on you, if you don't then your dead meat.
If you did not notice my signature it says " Semper Fi" Indicating the Marine Corps moto of Always Faithful.
So there Gutpile, "the expert on gun battles" how many shoot out have you had and how many confirm kills for you?
Tell me your experience not your theories. DON"T INSULT ME AGAIN
I think there is a big difference between military gun battles and street thug stick ups. :dunno:
Post by: KillBilly on February 28, 2009, 06:43:22 AM
For those guys who carry a revolver, How many speadloaders do you carry?
None. I am not who thinks that I will be in a gun fight, dodging around parked cars like in the movies. Bottom line, if some guy tries to jack you up and you stick ANYTHING in his mug, ge's gonna get the hell out of town in a hurry. Maybe..... maybe one or two shots fired and the bad guy AND me is going to get the hell out of dodge. I'm all about light and easy to shoot handguns in town. Nobody will convince me I'm going to need 3 mags with 16 rounds each. Besides whats the saying? "any gun is better than no gun"
That said. I carry a full size CZ 75b .40 cal, Kimber 1911 .45, Or a .44 mag when out in the boonies where conceilment is not as big an issue.
I have been involve in gun battles before when I served in desert storm desert shield. I know what it feels like to be shot at and how it feels when your bullet hits another human being. Do not tell by just pulling a gun on some one face will make them running, Ive been there done that, it does not work all the time, you know what else they shoot back.
One way to get rid of them is to over power them with superior fire power, ie shooting towards the enemy as you maneuver towards their position for the kill. That is where you need all the rounds you got on you, if you don't then your dead meat.
If you did not notice my signature it says " Semper Fi" Indicating the Marine Corps moto of Always Faithful.
So there Gutpile, "the expert on gun battles" how many shoot out have you had and how many confirm kills for you?
Tell me your experience not your theories. DON"T INSULT ME AGAIN
You had me at Semper Fi, but when you start on confirmed kills, all I see is hot air. Come on Sonny, a man doesn't brag about confirmed kills even "if" he has any. Now I view you as a braggart and will ignore you from this point forward.
Post by: rasbo on February 28, 2009, 06:56:43 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 28, 2009, 07:04:45 AM
A good ol' revolver, or shotgun or rifle is still a great deterant and self defense weapon, and I don't think many would argue with you that when things go bad, having a semiauto with multiple mags is definitely the way to go.
I dont think anyone was trying to Insult you. :dunno:
Post by: Airnip on February 28, 2009, 07:25:36 AM
http://www.useofforce.us/ (http://www.useofforce.us/)
An a little quote:
"Preclusion is the factor that is missing in most self-defense arguments, and thus the reason most fail. You must remember that you bear the burden of proof; until you prove otherwise, the law merely sees two equal citizens in a dispute. You can say, “He tried to hit me,” but then the police and the courts will ask, “Why didn’t you _____?” You must have no options to offer to fill in that blank—there must have been no other courses of action you could have taken to maintain your safety except the use of force. Otherwise, you’re just fighting because you want to, and that’s a crime."
Just so that it's not missed here is the link to a law professor and retired police "interviewer" video agreed that anything you say can be used against you although anything you say cannot be used FOR you.
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/28/law-prof-and-cop-agr.html (http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/28/law-prof-and-cop-agr.html)
Post by: Gutpile on February 28, 2009, 07:47:14 AM
:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Well 12 gauge if that was in any way an insult then you may want to add me to your ignore list because it surely wasn't intentional. Don't insult me with your mil experience either, your not the only one who has served.
I stand buy my answer. When packing a revolver in town I see no need to carry speedloaders. I'm not in war, I'm not a cop. The worst that'd probably happen is that some kid will want my wallet. In the house I've got a whole different package for them. Out in the boonies I carry semi autos and spare mags. In town I don't.
Well hell, if thats an insult then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think you need to calm down a little bit and not insult me.
Post by: Gutpile on February 28, 2009, 08:39:56 AM
Post by: mossback91 on February 28, 2009, 08:44:13 AM
Shoot i pack two ar-15s in the truck with like 30 magazines loaded up and ready to roll.............
Post by: 7mag. on March 01, 2009, 11:17:27 PM
The thing to remember when waiting for your permit to come in is that it is up to the Chief of Police's discretion.
Not sure what you meant by that. WA is a “shall issue” state; shall issue within 30 days. Neither the Chief of Police nor anyone else can withhold issuing you a CPL if you are legally entitled to own a firearm
I meant "timeframe". It could be 3 days, it could be 30. Sorry, I forgot to mention that is a 30 day max.
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 01, 2009, 11:22:50 PM
I have been involve in gun battles before when I served in desert storm desert shield. I know what it feels like to be shot at and how it feels when your bullet hits another human being. Do not tell by just pulling a gun on some one face will make them running, Ive been there done that, it does not work all the time, you know what else they shoot back.
One way to get rid of them is to over power them with superior fire power, ie shooting towards the enemy as you maneuver towards their position for the kill. That is where you need all the rounds you got on you, if you don't then your dead meat.
If you did not notice my signature it says " Semper Fi" Indicating the Marine Corps moto of Always Faithful.
So there Gutpile, "the expert on gun battles" how many shoot out have you had and how many confirm kills for you?
Tell me your experience not your theories. DON"T INSULT ME AGAIN
Best be careful Gutpile :chuckle: You never know who you're dealing with..... on the INTERNET :chuckle:
12Gauge, your magazine's here
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on March 02, 2009, 05:57:56 AM
The thing to remember when waiting for your permit to come in is that it is up to the Chief of Police's discretion.
Not sure what you meant by that. WA is a “shall issue” state; shall issue within 30 days. Neither the Chief of Police nor anyone else can withhold issuing you a CPL if you are legally entitled to own a firearm
I meant "timeframe". It could be 3 days, it could be 30. Sorry, I forgot to mention that is a 30 day max.
Dad just got his back in 4 days! :IBCOOL:
Post by: Gutpile on March 02, 2009, 06:04:06 AM
Best be careful Gutpile :chuckle: You never know who you're dealing with..... on the INTERNET :chuckle:
I know magnamonious. It really pisses me off to get stomped on for no reason. I love that pic though. I figured by now he'd have defended his rant or said "sorry I thought you were being a smart ass".
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on March 02, 2009, 06:06:52 AM
12Gauge, your magazine's here
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