Post by: Biggerhammer on July 04, 2017, 06:04:06 PM
I can care less what you "Google" clowns have to say, plenty of those here.
I was thinking about having a custom lighter weight .280 AI built before this falls hunting season but with allot of work and all I am actually thinking about purchasing a factory rifle😷. I have looked over several and "Some" claim the Montana's shoot and some say they don't. What I want to hear about is actual trigger time with the Kimber Montana .280 AI. I could careless about your pal, your girlfriend or your transgender pals experience with one.
Post by: b23 on July 04, 2017, 06:14:31 PM
DISCLAIMER!
I can care less what you "Google" clowns have to say, plenty of those here.
I could careless about your pal, your girlfriend or your transgender pals experience with one.
The DISCLAIMER should be, don't be drinking water or anything else, while you read this. I just spent the last few minutes cleaning water off my keyboard after it went shooting out my nose while I was reading this. OMG, that is some seriously funny sh1t!!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Mtnwalker on July 04, 2017, 06:19:44 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 04, 2017, 06:22:22 PM
Your right though!
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 04, 2017, 06:26:19 PM
Thought for the first time here I would ask about actual real world bench time with a Kimber 280 AI and cut through the google, internet clown crap.
Post by: lewy on July 04, 2017, 06:32:31 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 04, 2017, 06:40:29 PM
I just ordered that exact gun and am exited to get it put together and shooting.
I think I may do the same thing. Then blast whatever bull I feel like blasting in unit 346.😊
Post by: crabcreekhunter on July 04, 2017, 06:45:09 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 04, 2017, 06:53:25 PM
Post by: kselkhunter on July 04, 2017, 07:38:20 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 04, 2017, 07:45:37 PM
Don't have experience so just tagging to hear about your experience.. But to me the 280 AI is the perfect caliber for an ultralight rifle. It's actually the caliber I'm considering for my next custom project, and looking ultralight as well.
I was looking for the best performance in a non Magnum chambering.
Post by: b23 on July 04, 2017, 07:58:18 PM
I was looking for the best performance in a non Magnum chambering.
Curious, why does it have to be a non Magnum? You mentioned something on the lighter side, how lightweight are you thinking, less scope??
Post by: CaNINE on July 04, 2017, 08:00:34 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 04, 2017, 08:05:30 PM
I was looking for the best performance in a non Magnum chambering.
Curious, why does it have to be a non Magnum? You mentioned something on the lighter side, how lightweight are you thinking, less scope??
Because I own my share of magnums. Been there, done that.
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Post by: CaNINE on July 04, 2017, 08:09:30 PM
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Post by: Wanttohuntmore on July 04, 2017, 10:10:26 PM
I want that exact caliber and rifle, but lately been thinking of getting it in 30-06 for brass availability. Wondering what range the 280 ack takes over on the 30-06 for energy? With some of the new bullets you can make the 30's pretty darn flat out to hunting ranges.
Post by: bobcat on July 05, 2017, 08:42:42 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 05, 2017, 09:05:21 AM
The 280 Ackley Improved is a great cartridge, but I'd go with something a little more common such as the 270 Win, 30/06, or 300 WSM. :twocents:
Why?
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 05, 2017, 09:17:31 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 05, 2017, 09:39:16 AM
Post by: Bill W on July 05, 2017, 09:44:04 AM
Post by: coop2424 on July 05, 2017, 10:12:36 AM
Pretty sure Landon reloads, and a 162 would have plenty of azz past 500...
I don't know about that google says different.. My AI is pushing 7mag speeds with the 162's and I am not even pushing it hard..
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 05, 2017, 10:16:52 AM
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Post by: bobcat on July 05, 2017, 10:19:02 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 05, 2017, 10:33:41 AM
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 05, 2017, 10:39:45 AM
Post by: bobcat on July 05, 2017, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 05, 2017, 10:55:04 AM
Pretty sure Landon reloads, and a 162 would have plenty of azz past 500...
Looks like 600-700 wouldn't be a problem with the 162/168's
Post by: whacker1 on July 05, 2017, 11:27:24 AM
Post by: b23 on July 05, 2017, 11:50:57 AM
Dunno but I'm getting 3250 with a 140 vld outta my 6.5/06 ai, how's that compare to 270 performance?
Nice! :tup:
I get 3200 out of a 26in. tube with the 140 Bergers in my 6.5-06AI but I'm also standing on the gas fairly hard to get them there. I'm using necked down 30-06 Lapua brass and it's pretty tough stuff, doubt I could get any other brand of brass to hold up like the Lapua stuff has.
I'm guessing you're driving them near redline too if your getting 3250.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 05, 2017, 12:57:49 PM
Still like my 660 6mm rem ai squirting 80's at 3650. For 99% of my huntin it's $$
Post by: b23 on July 05, 2017, 01:22:01 PM
Ya I'm using WW 25/06 and h4831...
Still like my 660 6mm rem ai squirting 80's at 3650. For 99% of my huntin it's $$
Holy moly, if you're getting 3250 with 140's using 4831, you are definitely packing the case full because 4831 is a great all around powder but speed is not really what it's known for. You must be using upwards of 60gr of powder to get those speeds with 4831.
Post by: bobcat on July 05, 2017, 01:27:28 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 05, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on July 05, 2017, 02:00:02 PM
No experience with a Montana, but I like your cartridge choice
Post by: b23 on July 05, 2017, 02:43:35 PM
I love RL26 :tup:
No experience with a Montana, but I like your cartridge choice
RL26 is the new 4831 but on steroids because it pretty much universally gives better FPS/velocities. Now, if they could just get it to be as temp stable as H4831 it would be perfect. :tup:
And it's not that RL26 is bad with regard to temp stability but it could certainly be better and it's not in the same class as H4831 or H4350. Then again, none really are, either.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 05, 2017, 03:30:08 PM
The 280 Ackley Improved is a great cartridge, but I'd go with something a little more common such as the 270 Win, 30/06, or 300 WSM. :twocents:
Why?
Again why?
Post by: bobcat on July 05, 2017, 03:37:03 PM
The 280 Ackley Improved is a great cartridge, but I'd go with something a little more common such as the 270 Win, 30/06, or 300 WSM. :twocents:
Why?
Again why?
Because, that's what I like. I have a 223 WSSM and I can't buy brass or ammo for it. Never had a problem finding brass for the 243, 270 Win, 30/06, 338 Win Mag.
Also have learned over the years that the headstamp on the cartridge isn't as important as the rifle and the person shooting it.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 05, 2017, 03:49:33 PM
Brass for a 280 shouldn't be an issue.The 280 Ackley Improved is a great cartridge, but I'd go with something a little more common such as the 270 Win, 30/06, or 300 WSM. :twocents:
Why?
Again why?
Because, that's what I like. I have a 223 WSSM and I can't buy brass or ammo for it. Never had a problem finding brass for the 243, 270 Win, 30/06, 338 Win Mag.
Also have learned over the years that the headstamp on the cartridge isn't as important as the rifle and the person shooting it.
Post by: coop2424 on July 05, 2017, 03:58:43 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 05, 2017, 04:22:23 PM
The 280 Ackley Improved is a great cartridge, but I'd go with something a little more common such as the 270 Win, 30/06, or 300 WSM. :twocents:
Why?
Again why?
Because, that's what I like. I have a 223 WSSM and I can't buy brass or ammo for it. Never had a problem finding brass for the 243, 270 Win, 30/06, 338 Win Mag.
Also have learned over the years that the headstamp on the cartridge isn't as important as the rifle and the person shooting it.
Oh. Wondering, he didn't ask if anyone like the 280 ai, brass is about a big a issue with a 280 ai as wondering if the sun will come up tomorrow....
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 05, 2017, 10:38:10 PM
Can also fire form .280ai brass from .270 or 06 brass if in a serious pinch and shoot .280 bullets from the .280ai clambering.I would think you would want to in order to use Lapua Brass - I doubt they sell .280 ai brass...
Post by: yorketransport on July 05, 2017, 10:47:00 PM
"Something, something Tika's suck, something something 22 Nosler. Blah blah blah, 6.5 creedmor, blah blah blah your caliber sucks. Mumble mumble google ninjas, mumble mumble long range hunting with an AR-15."
Since it appears that Jay_sharkbait hasn't officially chimed in either, I'll provide a brief summary of what I believe his input would be:
"Blah blah blah snarky comment, blah blah blah obscure reference that only 3 people will understand."
Let me know if anybody needs additional translations or wild speculations as to the opinions of either Biggerhammer or Jay_sharkbait.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 05, 2017, 11:07:49 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 06, 2017, 07:52:03 AM
That's weird, no new input from BH? Maybe I can help by acting as a proxy service until he gets a chance to respond in a day or two or 89. Keep in mind that the following opinions do not necessarily represent those of Biggerhammer or his agents.
"Something, something Tika's suck, something something 22 Nosler. Blah blah blah, 6.5 creedmor, blah blah blah your caliber sucks. Mumble mumble google ninjas, mumble mumble long range hunting with an AR-15."
Since it appears that Jay_sharkbait hasn't officially chimed in either, I'll provide a brief summary of what I believe his input would be:
"Blah blah blah snarky comment, blah blah blah obscure reference that only 3 people will understand."
Let me know if anybody needs additional translations or wild speculations as to the opinions of either Biggerhammer or Jay_sharkbait.
Bingo. He is right, tikkas suck!!! Haha
Post by: Bill W on July 06, 2017, 08:54:11 AM
Can also fire form .280ai brass from .270 or 06 brass if in a serious pinch and shoot .280 bullets from the .280ai clambering.
The shoulder is about .010 further forward on a .280. The shooter will experience hangfires using .280 brass made from -06 unless he jams the bullet into the rifling for fireforming.
Post by: b23 on July 06, 2017, 09:50:22 AM
Even just fireforming 30-06 brass to an AI version in the same caliber will shorten the neck quite a bit but going to 280ai dimensions from 06 parent cases will likely leave you with a VERY short neck.
Post by: coop2424 on July 06, 2017, 01:30:28 PM
I'd imagine you'd need to only partially size the necks to .284 and leave a portion of the neck .308 as to create a false shoulder when you fireform so the case doesn't stretch and thin at the base. So if you used 270 or 25-06 brass as the parent case you'd have to first neck them up to .308 then partially neck them back down to .284 but I think even at that, you're going to end up with a very short neck.
Even just fireforming 30-06 brass to an AI version in the same caliber will shorten the neck quite a bit but going to 280ai dimensions from 06 parent cases will likely leave you with a VERY short neck.
You are correct on all of this the neck is short a bit but can be used with all these parent cartridges. Best bet is ai brass or .280 brass fire formed.