Post by: Scheindogg on July 20, 2017, 09:37:22 PM
I've been looking for a new handgun just in general for a while to have that holds more than my M&p shield (8+1) and a longer barrel (less than 3.5inches currently)
Since I plan on high buck this year I know I'll be in bear country and even potentially grizzly country.
Let's NOT get into a debate about wether I should use spray or a gun, I'm not going there.
Let's just say **** hits the fan and the last resort is a handgun, how would a glock 20 do?
I know it sure as h-e-double hockey sticks would be better than nothing and still substantially better than a 9mm or .40 (especially if the 10mm I choose is a load packed to the 10mm's potential)
No I don't want a revolver that I will only ever use when I'm hunting, I want a semi-auto like a glock (I shoot glocks well)
Wht do you guys think?
Any of you have a glock 20 and want to share your experiences?
Post by: Scheindogg on July 20, 2017, 09:39:01 PM
16 rounds of the best semi-auto caliber for bear defense :twocents:
Post by: Pnwrider on July 20, 2017, 09:57:55 PM
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Post by: JoeE on July 20, 2017, 10:06:28 PM
There are much more powerful handguns but with the Glock you get 15+1 capacity and quicker follow up shots than a gang cannon. I also like putting a weapon light on mine for when I'm sleeping in my night in case I have to repel a bear assault in the middle of the night.
Post by: kselkhunter on July 20, 2017, 10:09:13 PM
Post by: Scheindogg on July 20, 2017, 10:10:02 PM
I've got a Glock 20 and the smaller G29 10mm. I use them both when I hunt in the Alaskan backcountry in grizzly country. I think the 10mm is a decent choice for bear protection.Sounds pretty awesome! How does the G20 shoot?
There are much more powerful handguns but with the Glock you get 15+1 capacity and quicker follow up shots than a gang cannon. I also like putting a weapon light on mine for when I'm sleeping in my night in case I have to repel a bear assault in the middle of the night.
How's the accuracy?
Is the recoil THAT bad or is it fairly manageable?
Post by: Scheindogg on July 20, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
I think ammo choice is equally as important as caliber for bear defense. If you don't reload, those 220g hard cast loads from Buffalo Bore would be my bear defense bullet if I had a 10mm.Right!!
I saw a hickok45 video on heavy hard cast bullets through the glock 20 and it was pretty crazy! The double tap 230gr hard cast tumbled like mad even at only 20yds making hickok look like a bad shot ( :yike: )
But the 200gr double tap hard cash were very solid results and I think I would probably start there if indeed I get me a glock 20.
I'd also love to send a pic to my friend with a .380 and tell him I think my new gun at yours for breakfast ;)
Post by: kselkhunter on July 20, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
Post by: JoeE on July 20, 2017, 10:19:28 PM
I've got a Glock 20 and the smaller G29 10mm. I use them both when I hunt in the Alaskan backcountry in grizzly country. I think the 10mm is a decent choice for bear protection.Sounds pretty awesome! How does the G20 shoot?
There are much more powerful handguns but with the Glock you get 15+1 capacity and quicker follow up shots than a gang cannon. I also like putting a weapon light on mine for when I'm sleeping in my night in case I have to repel a bear assault in the middle of the night.
How's the accuracy?
Is the recoil THAT bad or is it fairly manageable?
The Glock 20 is pretty accurate. I don't think the recoil is terrible, definitely more snap than my Glock 21 .45 but still very manageable.
Post by: Scheindogg on July 20, 2017, 10:25:14 PM
I've used those hard cast loads from Buffalo Bore for years for bear protection. Never needed one but they pack a punch on the range. I run the 180s in my S&W 627 w/Burris fastfire red dot. 8 shots is plenty, with moonclip for reloading another 8.The buffalo bore 220gr?
Is the recoil much worse since it's a higher grain than the "standard" 180-200gr 10mm bullets? Or maybe about the same?
Post by: Scheindogg on July 20, 2017, 10:27:26 PM
I've got a Glock 20 and the smaller G29 10mm. I use them both when I hunt in the Alaskan backcountry in grizzly country. I think the 10mm is a decent choice for bear protection.Sounds pretty awesome! How does the G20 shoot?
There are much more powerful handguns but with the Glock you get 15+1 capacity and quicker follow up shots than a gang cannon. I also like putting a weapon light on mine for when I'm sleeping in my night in case I have to repel a bear assault in the middle of the night.
How's the accuracy?
Is the recoil THAT bad or is it fairly manageable?
The Glock 20 is pretty accurate. I don't think the recoil is terrible, definitely more snap than my Glock 21 .45 but still very manageable.
I see great info, thanks. The "still very manageable" part is what I wanted to hear :rockin:
Post by: Dan-o on July 20, 2017, 11:04:32 PM
As for recoil.... My 14 year old daughter is fairly prissy, and she loves shooting it.
Post by: Scheindogg on July 21, 2017, 12:11:16 AM
I'm no expert, but I do love my G20. I bought it for the extra juice, but have found it to be very accurate.
As for recoil.... My 14 year old daughter is fairly prissy, and she loves shooting it.
The fact she's 14 and she likes shooting anything is an accomplishment in itself in my book!!!
But great news! Thanks!
Post by: yorketransport on July 21, 2017, 06:55:57 AM
I'm a revolver guy at heart so recoil and ballistics from a 10mm were never that impressive to me. A light weight 41 or 44 mag will run circles around the 10mm ballistically but not have the advantsges that a semi will offer in some scenarios. I think you could get a G20, load it up with 200gr bullets and be very pleased with what you've got.
Post by: huntingfool7 on July 21, 2017, 07:21:44 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 21, 2017, 07:29:45 AM
Buy a bear tag and enjoy some sausage with your backstrap, if you're carrying any of the .30 cal rifles you're more than likely fine for bear. If it's actually griz country, keep a sharp eye out and take pics if you see them. That's a once-in-a-lifetime sight for most people who see them in WA.
If I'm hunting agri-land, private small plots, etc I always have a hand gun.
Post by: b23 on July 21, 2017, 07:47:13 AM
For me, the real benefit to going this route is you get to shoot it in the much less expensive to shoot 45 acp when you just want to shoot it for fun, then when you want it for backcountry protection you swap it over to 460 Rowland and you have one of the baddest semi autos in a packable size gun that you can get.
For more information just google 460 Rowland conversion and you'll find all kinds of info on it. If you are just wanting a G20 that's fine too and I just happen to have a NIB unfired Gen4 G20 w/high capacity mags for sale, if you're interested send me a PM.
Post by: Houndhunter on July 21, 2017, 08:08:21 AM
Post by: Stein on July 21, 2017, 08:20:41 AM
If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.
That said, I carry bear spray.
Post by: Scheindogg on July 21, 2017, 08:36:27 AM
I have a rock island 1911 in the 10mm for my bear gun up in AK, never have been a fan of glocksAnd that I completely understand!
I on the other hand just seem to shoot flocks better than others which is why I want one.
I have an M&p shield 9 but later found out I shoot the g43 much better.
A friend was looking at .380s and I shot the g42 wayyyyyyyy better than the bodyguard by s&w.
So I figure if I'm gonna get a high caliber I sure as hell better get one with a trigger that I like!
Post by: Scheindogg on July 21, 2017, 08:39:08 AM
Something else to consider, if you run across a good deal on a Glock 21, you can put a 460 Rowland conversion kit in it and that'll give you the equivalent of a 44mag but in a high capacity semi auto.PM sent
For me, the real benefit to going this route is you get to shoot it in the much less expensive to shoot 45 acp when you just want to shoot it for fun, then when you want it for backcountry protection you swap it over to 460 Rowland and you have one of the baddest semi autos in a packable size gun that you can get.
For more information just google 460 Rowland conversion and you'll find all kinds of info on it. If you are just wanting a G20 that's fine too and I just happen to have a NIB unfired Gen4 G20 w/high capacity mags for sale, if you're interested send me a PM.
Post by: Scheindogg on July 21, 2017, 08:42:36 AM
The way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used. So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.See that's what I mean, I don't have any use for a revolver other than if I took it hunting, I just don't think they're that cool. I don't see myself wanting to take one to the range all the time.
If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.
That said, I carry bear spray.
That's why I'm saying get the biggest glock caliber possible because then I can still get hopefully 1-3 shots off god forbid- the 15rd capacity would just be an added bonus I do realize in that scenario I likely wouldn't have a chance at using all 15/16.
1-3 shots of 10MM would certainly still be better than 1-3 shots of 9MM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 21, 2017, 08:48:05 AM
The way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used. So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.
If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.
That said, I carry bear spray.
So you'd drop the high powered rifle in your hands and go for the revolver?
Post by: Scheindogg on July 21, 2017, 09:22:50 AM
I know this was not directed at me but it brings up a good point: I did say above it would be a purely if **** hits the fan scenario because my rifle is .308 which would obviously be my plan A. But if whatever happened and it jammed or was inaccessible at the time, I would rather my plan B be a 10MM as opposed to a 9mmThe way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used. So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.
If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.
That said, I carry bear spray.
So you'd drop the high powered rifle in your hands and go for the revolver?
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 21, 2017, 09:35:22 AM
I know this was not directed at me but it brings up a good point: I did say above it would be a purely if **** hits the fan scenario because my rifle is .308 which would obviously be my plan A. But if whatever happened and it jammed or was inaccessible at the time, I would rather my plan B be a 10MM as opposed to a 9mmThe way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used. So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.
If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.
That said, I carry bear spray.
So you'd drop the high powered rifle in your hands and go for the revolver?
PM sent
Post by: kselkhunter on July 21, 2017, 09:40:02 AM
Plus you never know you may archery hunt one year and not have a rifle along. I always pack my revolver on archery, muzzy, and spring turkey trips.
I've pulled my revolver twice at night on mountain lions on archery trips while hiking back to camp in the dark. And called in the largest black bear I've ever seen on a spring turkey hunt one year. You never know when you'll see a predator, and during which weapon season.
Griz - yeah I'm still deploying bear spray. I've had a griz at 30 yards once, and as nervous as I was there is no way I could personally hit one in the head if charging me at 10 yards with my handgun. But that's my personal experience. There are guys on here that would be much more calm and cool in that instance than I was.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 21, 2017, 09:44:20 AM
10mm should be fine for your purpose.
Plus you never know you may archery hunt one year and not have a rifle along. I always pack my revolver on archery, muzzy, and spring turkey trips.
I've pulled my revolver twice at night on mountain lions on archery trips while hiking back to camp in the dark. And called in the largest black bear I've ever seen on a spring turkey hunt one year. You never know when you'll see a predator, and during which weapon season.
Griz - yeah I'm still deploying bear spray. I've had a griz at 30 yards once, and as nervous as I was there is no way I could personally hit one in the head if charging me at 10 yards with my handgun. But that's my personal experience. There are guys on here that would be much more calm and cool in that instance than I was.
I would be calmly filling my trousers I'm sure.
Post by: Scheindogg on July 21, 2017, 08:19:58 PM
I would be calmly filling my trousers I'm sure.
I literally LOL at this several times throughout the day
Post by: Stein on July 21, 2017, 09:31:59 PM
The way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used. So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.
If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.
That said, I carry bear spray.
So you'd drop the high powered rifle in your hands and go for the revolver?
Yep, I don't carry the rifle loaded. I would absolutely go for the spray before trying to jack a round in and taking that one precious shot from the hips Rambo style.
I'll take the high odds every day.
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 21, 2017, 10:04:14 PM
Here comes a hot topic and hopefully not TOO heated a conversation :sry: :chuckle:
I've been looking for a new handgun just in general for a while to have that holds more than my M&p shield (8+1) and a longer barrel (less than 3.5inches currently)
Since I plan on high buck this year I know I'll be in bear country and even potentially grizzly country.
Let's NOT get into a debate about wether I should use spray or a gun, I'm not going there.
Let's just say **** hits the fan and the last resort is a handgun, how would a glock 20 do?
I know it sure as h-e-double hockey sticks would be better than nothing and still substantially better than a 9mm or .40 (especially if the 10mm I choose is a load packed to the 10mm's potential)
No I don't want a revolver that I will only ever use when I'm hunting, I want a semi-auto like a glock (I shoot glocks well)
Wht do you guys think?
Any of you have a glock 20 and want to share your experiences?
If you have ask that, you should stick to golf....
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on July 21, 2017, 10:13:29 PM
Post by: Scheindogg on July 21, 2017, 10:26:45 PM
Excuse me?
What is that even supposed to mean I don't even play golf.
"If you have ask that" you also might want to check your grammar before insulting someone
I simply stated what I learned in my research and then asked "what do you guys think?"
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 21, 2017, 10:36:06 PM
@257 wby mag
Excuse me?
What is that even supposed to mean I don't even play golf.
"If you have ask that" you also might want to check your grammar before insulting someone
I simply stated what I learned in my research and then asked "what do you guys think?"
Ok maybe you should stay within the city limits... I just can't believe someone would ask this... sorry
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 21, 2017, 10:37:15 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on July 21, 2017, 10:58:11 PM
Post by: Scheindogg on July 21, 2017, 11:12:59 PM
You're not sorry you just insulted me again get out of here!@257 wby mag
Excuse me?
What is that even supposed to mean I don't even play golf.
"If you have ask that" you also might want to check your grammar before insulting someone
I simply stated what I learned in my research and then asked "what do you guys think?"
Ok maybe you should stay within the city limits... I just can't believe someone would ask this... sorry
Not asking if the round could simply kill a bear. I know it could.
Clearly you don't understand
Post by: mountainman on July 21, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on July 21, 2017, 11:15:19 PM
I bought my Glock 20 - 10mm for the METH CAMPS! And for the occasional of others.
I use to carry a Revolver in 357 Magnum or 44 Magnum revolver. which was good for any animal where we are.
But for the CRAZED METH PEOPLE, I'll take the high capacity!10 mm GLOCK ALL THE WAY, even if your bullets don't get the intended target, THEY WILL BE DUCKEN, Which gives you a chance to GET AWAY!
Post by: AWS on July 21, 2017, 11:31:22 PM
Now fishing or just camping in bear country I pack a 41 mag, the 10's big brother
Down in bandito country where you can find yourself in the middle of a dozen drug runners and extra 15 rounds on my hip just might get me back to the truck and enough time to bail out of there.
Post by: MADMAX on July 22, 2017, 07:05:57 AM
if its a meth crazed drug camp or Bandito encounter in the backcountry.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I think Id see them first.......................and leave !
Post by: BKMFR on July 22, 2017, 07:16:48 AM
Post by: Firedogg on July 22, 2017, 04:05:06 PM
I find my G20 is softer shooting than my Delta Elite. I have smaller than average hands and have no problem with control or comfort. I get groups a hair under 2" at 25yds, around 4+" for me at 50yds, but some others who shoot better than me have gotten better groups with it than I can.
Post by: Bofire on July 22, 2017, 05:09:32 PM
Glocks are proven guns, 10mm a proven cartridge. :dunno:
Carl
Post by: Kit Carson on July 23, 2017, 04:40:09 PM
I bought my Glock 20 - 10mm for the METH CAMPS!
:yeah:
My reasoning too
Post by: wooltie on July 26, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
Someone in eastern WA shot and killed a spring bear from 10' using a 10mm. I believe he used 180g jacketed hollow points. I think he shot the bear through the head, but I know the bullet penetrated 16" down through the neck, per his post on this site.
I think a 10mm can do the job.
Post by: KFhunter on July 26, 2017, 11:32:34 AM
Accuracy is very good with the LW barrel. Next project for the gun is swapping the sights out for trijicon night sights.
I also have the S&W .40 cal lone wolf barrel for the G20 and I use the stock recoil spring with that, its very sweet to shoot the .40 with the bigger gun than a typical .40 platform and the shooting is cheaper. Good practice ammo. Next I want to get the 9x20 dillion barrel for hunting thinner skinned game but I might long slide it for that.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 26, 2017, 11:36:45 AM
Post by: KFhunter on July 26, 2017, 11:39:33 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 26, 2017, 12:05:23 PM
The 10mm is one of my favorite rounds it has more then enough power for anything you will run into, just choose good bullets in your ammo and you will be fine.
Post by: Bofire on July 26, 2017, 12:54:03 PM
and the 220 came out in 2015 I guess.
this look nice
Carl
http://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/sig-sauer-p220-10mm-handgun/#p220-ballf15-lead
Post by: KFhunter on July 26, 2017, 03:37:08 PM
(https://www.sigsauer.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1800x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/2/2/220-hunter-pistol.jpg)
Mine cost a grand less, but that sure looks pretty :tup:
Post by: Alchase on July 27, 2017, 03:07:42 PM