10MM for backcountry self defense

[ctwiggs1]

I'm usually more concerned about humans than animals.  I rarely carry a handgun anymore in the back country.   A lot of extra weight

Buy a bear tag and enjoy some sausage with your backstrap, if you're carrying any of the .30 cal rifles you're more than likely fine for bear.  If it's actually griz country, keep a sharp eye out and take pics if you see them.  That's a once-in-a-lifetime sight for most people who see them in WA.

If I'm hunting agri-land, private small plots, etc I always have a hand gun. 

[b23]

Something else to consider, if you run across a good deal on a Glock 21, you can put a 460 Rowland conversion kit in it and that'll give you the equivalent of a 44mag but in a high capacity semi auto.

For me, the real benefit to going this route is you get to shoot it in the much less expensive to shoot 45 acp when you just want to shoot it for fun, then when you want it for backcountry protection you swap it over to 460 Rowland and you have one of the baddest semi autos in a packable size gun that you can get.

For more information just google 460 Rowland conversion and you'll find all kinds of info on it.  If you are just wanting a G20 that's fine too and I just happen to have a NIB unfired Gen4 G20 w/high capacity mags for sale, if you're interested send me a PM.

[Houndhunter]

I have a rock island 1911 in the 10mm for my bear gun up in AK, never have been a fan of glocks

[Stein]

The way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used.  So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.

If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.

That said, I carry bear spray.

[Scheindogg]

I have a rock island 1911 in the 10mm for my bear gun up in AK, never have been a fan of glocks

And that I completely understand!
I on the other hand just seem to shoot flocks better than others which is why I want one.
I have an M&p shield 9 but later found out I shoot the g43 much better.
A friend was looking at .380s and I shot the g42 wayyyyyyyy better than the bodyguard by s&w.
So I figure if I'm gonna get a high caliber I sure as hell better get one with a trigger that I like!

[Scheindogg]

Something else to consider, if you run across a good deal on a Glock 21, you can put a 460 Rowland conversion kit in it and that'll give you the equivalent of a 44mag but in a high capacity semi auto.

For me, the real benefit to going this route is you get to shoot it in the much less expensive to shoot 45 acp when you just want to shoot it for fun, then when you want it for backcountry protection you swap it over to 460 Rowland and you have one of the baddest semi autos in a packable size gun that you can get.

For more information just google 460 Rowland conversion and you'll find all kinds of info on it.  If you are just wanting a G20 that's fine too and I just happen to have a NIB unfired Gen4 G20 w/high capacity mags for sale, if you're interested send me a PM.

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[Scheindogg]

The way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used.  So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.

If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.

That said, I carry bear spray.

See that's what I mean, I don't have any use for a revolver other than if I took it hunting, I just don't think they're that cool. I don't see myself wanting to take one to the range all the time.
That's why I'm saying get the biggest glock caliber possible because then I can still get hopefully 1-3 shots off god forbid- the 15rd capacity would just be an added bonus I do realize in that scenario I likely wouldn't have a chance at using all 15/16.
1-3 shots of 10MM would certainly still be better than 1-3 shots of 9MM

[ctwiggs1]

The way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used.  So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.

If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.

That said, I carry bear spray.

So you'd drop the high powered rifle in your hands and go for the revolver?

[Scheindogg]

The way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used.  So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.

If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.

That said, I carry bear spray.

So you'd drop the high powered rifle in your hands and go for the revolver?

I know this was not directed at me but it brings up a good point: I did say above it would be a purely if **** hits the fan scenario because my rifle is .308 which would obviously be my plan A. But if whatever happened and it jammed or was inaccessible at the time, I would rather my plan B be a 10MM as opposed to a 9mm

[ctwiggs1]

The way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used.  So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.

If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.

That said, I carry bear spray.

So you'd drop the high powered rifle in your hands and go for the revolver?

I know this was not directed at me but it brings up a good point: I did say above it would be a purely if **** hits the fan scenario because my rifle is .308 which would obviously be my plan A. But if whatever happened and it jammed or was inaccessible at the time, I would rather my plan B be a 10MM as opposed to a 9mm

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[kselkhunter]

10mm should be fine for your purpose.

Plus you never know you may archery hunt one year and not have a rifle along.  I always pack my revolver on archery, muzzy, and spring turkey trips.

I've pulled my revolver twice at night on mountain lions on archery trips while hiking back to camp in the dark.  And called in the largest black bear I've ever seen on a spring turkey hunt one year.  You never know when you'll see a predator, and during which weapon season. 

Griz - yeah I'm still deploying bear spray.  I've had a griz at 30 yards once, and as nervous as I was there is no way I could personally hit one in the head if charging me at 10 yards with my handgun.  But that's my personal experience.  There are guys on here that would be much more calm and cool in that instance than I was.

[ctwiggs1]

10mm should be fine for your purpose.

Plus you never know you may archery hunt one year and not have a rifle along.  I always pack my revolver on archery, muzzy, and spring turkey trips.

I've pulled my revolver twice at night on mountain lions on archery trips while hiking back to camp in the dark.  And called in the largest black bear I've ever seen on a spring turkey hunt one year.  You never know when you'll see a predator, and during which weapon season. 

Griz - yeah I'm still deploying bear spray.  I've had a griz at 30 yards once, and as nervous as I was there is no way I could personally hit one in the head if charging me at 10 yards with my handgun.  But that's my personal experience.  There are guys on here that would be much more calm and cool in that instance than I was.

I would be calmly filling my trousers I'm sure. 

[Scheindogg]

I would be calmly filling my trousers I'm sure.

I literally LOL at this several times throughout the day

[Stein]

The way I look at it is that if a bear charged, I would have a very, very short period of time to respond so I would look at the effectiveness of 1-2 rounds vs having capacity that won't be used.  So, I would carry a .44 revolver that has much more capability to do something with 1-2 shots over a lesser round.

If you don't stop it in the first or maybe second shot, it's going to be on you and 1,000 rounds in the handle isn't going to help.

That said, I carry bear spray.

So you'd drop the high powered rifle in your hands and go for the revolver?

Yep, I don't carry the rifle loaded.  I would absolutely go for the spray before trying to jack a round in and taking that one precious shot from the hips Rambo style.

I'll take the high odds every day.




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[257 Wby Mag]

Here comes a hot topic and hopefully not TOO heated a conversation 

I've been looking for a new handgun just in general for a while to have that holds more than my M&p shield (8+1) and a longer barrel (less than 3.5inches currently)

Since I plan on high buck this year I know I'll be in bear country and even potentially grizzly country.

Let's NOT get into a debate about wether I should use spray or a gun, I'm not going there.

Let's just say **** hits the fan and the last resort is a handgun, how would a glock 20 do?
I know it sure as h-e-double hockey sticks would be better than nothing and still substantially better than a 9mm or .40 (especially if the 10mm I choose is a load packed to the 10mm's potential)
No I don't want a revolver that I will only ever use when I'm hunting, I want a semi-auto like a glock (I shoot glocks well)

Wht do you guys think?

Any of you have a glock 20 and want to share your experiences?

If you have ask that, you should stick to golf....