Post by: Scheindogg on August 07, 2017, 12:14:13 PM
So I find out in the WDFW website saying if it's private property owned by non tribal member (which it is if you didn't get that) that hunting on that land would be st the land owners discretion under whatever general season rules apply for that GMU.
So then I call the reservation and they say no. There's no way. They didn't bother looking anything up they just went ahead and said no.
Then I called WDFW and talked to an enforcement officer. She said what the website said, if it's private property owned by non tribal members, I can hunt it if I have permission. She also told me to go by what WDFW says definitely not what the reservation says, since it's private property.
Because of that call that makes me feel like it should work but what would you guys do? Respect the reservations wishes it would you go with what WDFW says because it's private property?
Hopefully I don't start too much of an argument here :sry:
Post by: headshot5 on August 07, 2017, 12:21:08 PM
Edit to add, this is just my opinion, with zero research.
Post by: Stein on August 07, 2017, 12:29:02 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on August 07, 2017, 12:30:51 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 07, 2017, 12:32:06 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 07, 2017, 12:34:27 PM
I wouldn't hunt it without permission from the tribe.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 07, 2017, 12:36:49 PM
If it is on tribal land, I believe they can enforce whatever restrictions they wish to. It's likely your relative doesn't actually own the land, but in fact leases it.
I wouldn't hunt it without permission from the tribe.
I would find out beyond any doubt about this part before I went any further.
Post by: bobcat on August 07, 2017, 12:39:00 PM
Post by: Scheindogg on August 07, 2017, 12:39:16 PM
I will definitely make sure he owns it before taking any further steps
Post by: pd on August 07, 2017, 12:39:25 PM
Please cite the WDFW website link.
My understanding is a bit different from what the WDFW spokesperson told you. That is, within the boundaries of a federally recognized reservation, there are generally two types of land. The first type is those lands held in trust by the federal government ("owned by the tribe"), and those lands that were at one time sold by either the tribe or a tribal member. This second category is what is called fee-simple property, and those lands will appear on the local (county) tax registry. This is important: The fee-simple lands are still within the reservation, but are now considered private property.
It should not matter whether the owner of that property is an enrolled tribal member or a non-tribal person, it is still private property, and the tribe itself would have no jurisdiction over the property. An exception to this would be if the tribe itself owns the private property, but the land in question had not yet been re-entered into the federal land trust program (in this case, as the property owner the tribe would of course have the right to prohibit hunting on its property).
My gut says the tribal spokesperson was ill-informed, or trying to bluff you. If indeed a private landowner has the right to allow/deny hunting on fee-simple lands, then the tribe has no authority to overrule this decision.
I would love to hear from somebody better informed than I on this topic. :hello:
Post by: Southpole on August 07, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
Post by: Scheindogg on August 07, 2017, 12:41:31 PM
Since it would not be in a GMU that's listed in the hunting regulations, I'd say there's zero chance you could legally hunt deer on that property.
Then how come when I talked to an ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, and they specifically said to go by what they said not the reservation (if indeed it is OWNED property) and that the general rules would apply. I wonder if it somehow would be linked with one of the surrounding gmus. I will do more research
Post by: Stein on August 07, 2017, 12:45:39 PM
Since it would not be in a GMU that's listed in the hunting regulations, I'd say there's zero chance you could legally hunt deer on that property.
Then how come when I talked to an ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, and they specifically said to go by what they said not the reservation (if indeed it is OWNED property) and that the general rules would apply. I wonder if it somehow would be linked with one of the surrounding gmus. I will do more research
You could both be right, WDFW says follow the rules when on private property. If it is not in a GMU, then you can't hunt it as there is no season in the regulations.
Post by: Bob33 on August 07, 2017, 12:46:29 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 07, 2017, 12:47:07 PM
Since it would not be in a GMU that's listed in the hunting regulations, I'd say there's zero chance you could legally hunt deer on that property.
Then how come when I talked to an ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, and they specifically said to go by what they said not the reservation (if indeed it is OWNED property) and that the general rules would apply. I wonder if it somehow would be linked with one of the surrounding gmus. I will do more research
If it's not a GMU listed as being open to deer hunting then there's no open season.
Post by: Scheindogg on August 07, 2017, 12:47:35 PM
Even if you find that you can legally hunt there, the tribal officers may not agree when means you're likely to end up in a cold cell with lots of issues to address.How could the tribal police enforce anything against me on private property?
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on August 07, 2017, 12:49:28 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 07, 2017, 12:49:30 PM
The same way any LEO can come on your private property in the US to enforce laws.Even if you find that you can legally hunt there, the tribal officers may not agree when means you're likely to end up in a cold cell with lots of issues to address.How could the tribal police enforce anything against me on private property?
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on August 07, 2017, 12:50:55 PM
Since it would not be in a GMU that's listed in the hunting regulations, I'd say there's zero chance you could legally hunt deer on that property.
Then how come when I talked to an ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, and they specifically said to go by what they said not the reservation (if indeed it is OWNED property) and that the general rules would apply. I wonder if it somehow would be linked with one of the surrounding gmus. I will do more research
your gona go to Indian jail.
Post by: Special T on August 07, 2017, 12:53:03 PM
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Post by: pd on August 07, 2017, 12:54:38 PM
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Only in Washington, Bob. Idaho still requires a warrant.
Post by: bigtex on August 07, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
WAC 220-413-160
Colville Indian Reservation—Prohibiting the taking or hunting of big game and grouse and trapping of furbearers.
The taking or hunting of big game or grouse within the Colville Indian Reservation boundaries is prohibited. The trapping of furbearers within the Colville Indian Reservation boundaries is prohibited.
Post by: Scheindogg on August 07, 2017, 01:00:17 PM
Since it would not be in a GMU that's listed in the hunting regulations, I'd say there's zero chance you could legally hunt deer on that property.
Then how come when I talked to an ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, and they specifically said to go by what they said not the reservation (if indeed it is OWNED property) and that the general rules would apply. I wonder if it somehow would be linked with one of the surrounding gmus. I will do more research
your gona go to Indian jail.
Actually I won't. I'll do proper research and as of now it's showing me that it is not likely legal to hunt deer in that area. But I will do my best and find everything I can about it before making any decisions
Post by: Scheindogg on August 07, 2017, 01:01:28 PM
It's against state law to hunt within the Colville Rez boundary.
WAC 220-413-160
Colville Indian Reservation—Prohibiting the taking or hunting of big game and grouse and trapping of furbearers.
The taking or hunting of big game or grouse within the Colville Indian Reservation boundaries is prohibited. The trapping of furbearers within the Colville Indian Reservation boundaries is prohibited.
Well there you (/I) go. Damn.
Post by: Southpole on August 07, 2017, 01:09:09 PM
Post by: headshot5 on August 07, 2017, 01:15:40 PM
Post by: Britt-dog on August 07, 2017, 02:47:42 PM
WDFW has juristiction on all properties with in the state of Wa both public and private, except reservations.
Tribal enforcement has Juristiction over all lands within the reservation boundries.
The tribe makes the hunting and fishing regulations for the reservation lands, these are different from, and overule state regulations, because they are a soveirgn nation. They get to make their own rules.
Non tribal persons can own/lease property within reservation boundries, tribal hunting and fishing regulations apply on these properties and are enforced. Just like private land anywhere else in the state.
Colville tribes allow non members to hunt some species on the reservation, specificly non native birds such as pheasants and chukar, and migratory fowl. Colville tribes publish a hunting regulation booklet, and sell licenses for non member hunting. This is what the WDFW page is refering to.
There is NO!! non tribal hunting of Deer, Elk, or any other big game animal allowed within the boundries of the Colville reservation, weather private or tribal ground.
WDFW rules, regulations and tags do not apply on the reservation.
Hope this helps.
Post by: Scheindogg on August 07, 2017, 02:55:06 PM
Lots of misinformation in this thread. I will try to explain best I can.
WDFW has juristiction on all properties with in the state of Wa both public and private, except reservations.
Tribal enforcement has Juristiction over all lands within the reservation boundries.
The tribe makes the hunting and fishing regulations for the reservation lands, these are different from, and overule state regulations, because they are a soveirgn nation. They get to make their own rules.
Non tribal persons can own/lease property within reservation boundries, tribal hunting and fishing regulations apply on these properties and are enforced. Just like private land anywhere else in the state.
Colville tribes allow non members to hunt some species on the reservation, specificly non native birds such as pheasants and chukar, and migratory fowl. Colville tribes publish a hunting regulation booklet, and sell licenses for non member hunting. This is what the WDFW page is refering to.
There is NO!! non tribal hunting of Deer, Elk, or any other big game animal allowed within the boundries of the Colville reservation, weather private or tribal ground.
WDFW rules, regulations and tags do not apply on the reservation.
Hope this helps.
I literally stopped posting because I found almost this exact information.
They sure have a hell of a season for themselves tho!
I did find the non-member hunting seasons and how it did not include any big game an so it indeed stated specifically that non-members are not allowed to hunt big game at all
Post by: Britt-dog on August 07, 2017, 03:23:13 PM
Lots of misinformation in this thread. I will try to explain best I can.
WDFW has juristiction on all properties with in the state of Wa both public and private, except reservations.
Tribal enforcement has Juristiction over all lands within the reservation boundries.
The tribe makes the hunting and fishing regulations for the reservation lands, these are different from, and overule state regulations, because they are a soveirgn nation. They get to make their own rules.
Non tribal persons can own/lease property within reservation boundries, tribal hunting and fishing regulations apply on these properties and are enforced. Just like private land anywhere else in the state.
Colville tribes allow non members to hunt some species on the reservation, specificly non native birds such as pheasants and chukar, and migratory fowl. Colville tribes publish a hunting regulation booklet, and sell licenses for non member hunting. This is what the WDFW page is refering to.
There is NO!! non tribal hunting of Deer, Elk, or any other big game animal allowed within the boundries of the Colville reservation, weather private or tribal ground.
WDFW rules, regulations and tags do not apply on the reservation.
Hope this helps.
I literally stopped posting because I found almost this exact information.
They sure have a hell of a season for themselves tho!
I did find the non-member hunting seasons and how it did not include any big game an so it indeed stated specifically that non-members are not allowed to hunt big game at all
You can try to make an arguement based around deeded, or "fee simple" lands. but as others have stated, good luck with that.
Post by: Scheindogg on August 07, 2017, 04:16:59 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on August 07, 2017, 07:08:50 PM
Post by: jmscon on August 07, 2017, 08:07:01 PM
Post by: bobdog86 on August 07, 2017, 11:06:20 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on August 08, 2017, 07:04:49 AM
you can NOT hunt on privaley owned land within the colville reservation. his land is not withing the relm of state management. there is no non tribal member hunting seasons within the rez.That is correct. It doesn't matter if a non member owns it in fee, if it's within the bounds of the reservation you have to be a member to hunt it.
Post by: bearpaw on August 08, 2017, 08:09:58 AM
Lots of misinformation in this thread. I will try to explain best I can.
WDFW has juristiction on all properties with in the state of Wa both public and private, except reservations.
Tribal enforcement has Juristiction over all lands within the reservation boundries.
The tribe makes the hunting and fishing regulations for the reservation lands, these are different from, and overule state regulations, because they are a soveirgn nation. They get to make their own rules.
Non tribal persons can own/lease property within reservation boundries, tribal hunting and fishing regulations apply on these properties and are enforced. Just like private land anywhere else in the state.
Colville tribes allow non members to hunt some species on the reservation, specificly non native birds such as pheasants and chukar, and migratory fowl. Colville tribes publish a hunting regulation booklet, and sell licenses for non member hunting. This is what the WDFW page is refering to.
There is NO!! non tribal hunting of Deer, Elk, or any other big game animal allowed within the boundries of the Colville reservation, weather private or tribal ground.
WDFW rules, regulations and tags do not apply on the reservation.
Hope this helps.
that all seems pretty accurate :tup:
Post by: Scheindogg on August 08, 2017, 09:37:47 AM
:beatdeadhorse::yeah:
Post by: police women of America on August 08, 2017, 10:47:37 AM
Post by: KFhunter on August 08, 2017, 10:51:04 AM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on August 08, 2017, 11:11:59 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 08, 2017, 11:23:42 AM
This issue is dead, the OP isn't going to hunt on the reservation.
Apparently not quite yet...
Can NOT hunt big game on the Colville Rez. even if you own deeded land. And you must get the tribes blessing to build on land you buy that has been deeded out of the rez. I sold an 80 ac. piece by Inchelium and had to have the tribe inspect it before they could build. Even though you pay taxes to Ferry County and pay Ferry County to get building permits. You can buy a rez. hunting permit for upland birds and some places you can hunt waterfowl... Must abide by their maps and regs.
:chuckle:
Post by: Scheindogg on August 08, 2017, 11:31:28 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 08, 2017, 11:42:26 AM
Post by: KFhunter on August 08, 2017, 11:46:26 AM