Post by: boneaddict on August 12, 2017, 09:19:38 AM
I'm sure I can think of a dozen answers. We are really trying to improve this place. I'd love to hear from you why you don't post. Maybe you used to, maybe you never have. Even those of you who never do, I'd love to hear why. It's not meant to argue or to pursuad, just trying to hear your reason. Simple sentence will do.
Bottom line, if we all decide to just watch and not contribute, there won't be much to watch, and another forum bites the dust.
Personally I know this place has changed, and I don't enjoy it near as I used too. I'd like to fix that.
Please respond. I'd make a poll, but I'd just assume hear your voice.
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Post by: superdown on August 12, 2017, 09:34:46 AM
Post by: rideorange on August 12, 2017, 10:03:16 AM
For me it's the nit picking and judgement of the post's. like not wearing orange in the trophy pic or the pointing out of every detail that could be or has the possibility of being unsafe or maybe could be illegal not that it is but it could be if you look at it a certain way.There also seems to be a clique that can get away with saying things that others can not.I love this place but i don't post much because of this. :(
dogs in stores as a example, i agree with grocery store no dog, i dont take mine to a city street fair etc, i do take him into coastal farm, would have said as much, all i got out of topic was pretty much nobody wants to ever see my dog,,moved on and lurked
Post by: kenzmad on August 12, 2017, 10:08:46 AM
Post by: hunterbuilder on August 12, 2017, 10:21:43 AM
For me it's the nit picking and judgement of the post's. like not wearing orange in the trophy pic or the pointing out of every detail that could be or has the possibility of being unsafe or maybe could be illegal not that it is but it could be if you look at it a certain way.
:yeah:
This for me as well. I never understood why people have to respond to posts publicly if the see something that might be amiss. Why not just send a pm to the poster and give them a chance to correct or change it, explain it, or remove it without making a big deal publicly.
Post by: Oh Mah on August 12, 2017, 10:26:48 AM
Post by: Dan-o on August 12, 2017, 10:27:24 AM
For me it's the nit picking and judgement of the post's. like not wearing orange in the trophy pic or the pointing out of every detail that could be or has the possibility of being unsafe or maybe could be illegal not that it is but it could be if you look at it a certain way.There also seems to be a clique that can get away with saying things that others can not.I love this place but i don't post much because of this. :(
X2 on the nit picking.
I shot a nice (for me) decent 4X4 muley this last year. Nothing for the record books, but I was very happy with it. Kind of an average 4X4 in all aspects. I actually thought twice about posting it, just because of nit pickers and nay sayers. I ended up posting it, but I can understand why people don't.
A couple recent examples:
* Bearpaw posted the 40' buck........ unreal pig of a buck. It didn't take long for someone to suggest that a fence was involved. By all indications, that was a free roaming deer. Why take a cheap shot at someone like that, just because they're fortunate enough to hunt deer in Mexico?
* That huge (Nevada?) governor's tag buck still in velvet. Another buck of a lifetime. And yet, it didn't take long for someone to say the hunter sure has long arms. Again, why the need for cheap shots??
Can't there be simple decorum like don't take unwarranted cheap shots???????
THANK YOU for all you do to make this forum great. It's still the best hunting forum I've ever found. :tup:
Post by: bearmanric on August 12, 2017, 10:35:54 AM
Post by: jrebel on August 12, 2017, 10:52:15 AM
Not friendly people. Tried helping over the years got burnt out. Rick
:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: Pacific on August 12, 2017, 11:11:54 AM
I think Superdown hit the nail on the head and Dan-o expanded on it. Why subject myself to having my chops busted for some perceived faux pas....you know did I kill an animal or should I say harvested...did I put my tag on it while it was still twitching or did I wait 3 seconds too long, so someone figures they can maybe make 10 points on me :dunno:
I will say that it appears to me that the overwhelming vast majority here are great people and a very few are the nit pickers
Post by: colersu22 on August 12, 2017, 11:17:02 AM
The thing I don't like about forums and all the social media is it seems like everyone needs to voice there opinions and is judgmental like mentioned above so I may read the thread but never share my opinion on them. I only use a few forums but they are all pretty similar and you always have the guys that correct you when you are "wrong" or doing it a way they wouldn't.
Post by: Oh Mah on August 12, 2017, 11:18:14 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on August 12, 2017, 11:19:43 AM
I was a lurker for a couple years before signing up for the forum. I mainly like to read others hunting stories and seeing pictures like the multiple you post.Yeah doing it wrong,Like the grammar police.
The thing I don't like about forums and all the social media is it seems like everyone needs to voice there opinions and is judgmental like mentioned above so I may read the thread but never share my opinion on them. I only use a few forums but they are all pretty similar and you always have the guys that correct you when you are "wrong" or doing it a way they wouldn't.
Post by: Pacific on August 12, 2017, 11:28:22 AM
Some people must like the taste of their own feet lol
Post by: Mark Brenckle on August 12, 2017, 11:31:35 AM
Great point,Just look how the monster elk hit thread went,Blood was all wrong had to be poached etc until the facts kept coming in.:yeah: take a look through the drone or wireless trail cam threads... train wrecks.
I think much of the nit picking and badgering has to do with written communication vs verbal. I can explain something over the phone or in person much easier than typing it out.
Post by: Oh Mah on August 12, 2017, 11:32:33 AM
Post by: Jolten on August 12, 2017, 11:34:11 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 12, 2017, 12:00:21 PM
Post by: hunter399 on August 12, 2017, 12:02:00 PM
Where to start....... better not, I'd hate for this thread to get derailed.:yeah: ,that's what I was thinking. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on August 12, 2017, 12:02:16 PM
Where to start....... better not, I'd hate for this thread to get derailed.
You should post a pictorial on the how's and why's.
Post by: Widgeondeke on August 12, 2017, 12:05:55 PM
I will post pics of my animals hunted or fish caught. I am proud of them all, even my button buck was posted. Tasted great :drool:
I have grown tired of the internet police and nit pickers as well.
I still read most days, just cut down my comments. :twocents:
Still enjoy Hunt WA. :hello:
Post by: Bigshooter on August 12, 2017, 12:22:40 PM
Post by: Jason on August 12, 2017, 12:23:56 PM
That said I still come on here and post from time to time.
Post by: hunter399 on August 12, 2017, 12:25:36 PM
Here's a person swimming through the forum,then the mean people come to get you. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Where to start....... better not, I'd hate for this thread to get derailed.
You should post a pictorial on the how's and why's.
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 12, 2017, 12:27:02 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 12, 2017, 12:35:53 PM
I have another question for you to think a about. If we were to fix or change would you post more or just prefer to keep quiet ad it's a waste of our time.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 12, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
Where to start....... better not, I'd hate for this thread to get derailed.
You should post a pictorial on the how's and why's.
:chuckle: I'm not one of you fancy-pants, gourmet-food eating, European car driving mods so until I'm given an exorbitant salary I'll save the time and effort.
I will give a hint, I came here and joined because I was getting tired of all the bashing because a few people were blaming every single tribal person and lumping us all together rather than singling out the bad apples.
There has been little change, but not much and at times it's not worth the argument. I have gotten tired of repeating myself, tired of having the same argument, tired of being the blame, the one people point fingers and blame as if I had the power to change laws.
I've taken extended breaks and the time of the year is coming when all the bashing comes back and who knows if I continue here.
Thick skin, is an understatment for me so someday things will get better and I can say that I have met some awesome guys on here, guys i can call friend and brother. :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on August 12, 2017, 12:53:45 PM
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I can say that I have met some awesome guys on here, guys i can call friend and brother.
Can't put a price on that
Post by: jackelope on August 12, 2017, 12:57:02 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 12, 2017, 01:00:32 PM
I post pics all the time. I post and then wait/expect someone to nitpick something. I hate that it happens, but it's a fact of life.
Nitpicking is one of the issues I want to deal with soon!
Post by: jackson7 on August 12, 2017, 01:08:47 PM
PlateauNDN, I truly enjoy your posts and perspective on many topics. pleased continue. would love to meet you one day.
best to all, Jackson
Post by: Bob33 on August 12, 2017, 01:21:30 PM
I have and will, but with caution.
Post by: Hilltop123 on August 12, 2017, 01:45:32 PM
Post by: Southpole on August 12, 2017, 01:52:09 PM
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:For me it's the nit picking and judgement of the post's. like not wearing orange in the trophy pic or the pointing out of every detail that could be or has the possibility of being unsafe or maybe could be illegal not that it is but it could be if you look at it a certain way.There also seems to be a clique that can get away with saying things that others can not.I love this place but i don't post much because of this. :(
X2 on the nit picking.
I shot a nice (for me) decent 4X4 muley this last year. Nothing for the record books, but I was very happy with it. Kind of an average 4X4 in all aspects. I actually thought twice about posting it, just because of nit pickers and nay sayers. I ended up posting it, but I can understand why people don't.
A couple recent examples:
* Bearpaw posted the 40' buck........ unreal pig of a buck. It didn't take long for someone to suggest that a fence was involved. By all indications, that was a free roaming deer. Why take a cheap shot at someone like that, just because they're fortunate enough to hunt deer in Mexico?
* That huge (Nevada?) governor's tag buck still in velvet. Another buck of a lifetime. And yet, it didn't take long for someone to say the hunter sure has long arms. Again, why the need for cheap shots??
Can't there be simple decorum like don't take unwarranted cheap shots???????
THANK YOU for all you do to make this forum great. It's still the best hunting forum I've ever found. :tup:
I've had lots of hunting success but most people wouldn't know it on this site about me. I don't like sharing too much as far as pictures unless it's something amazingly huge or nice looking because it's going to get judged and or nit picked.
Post by: fish vacuum on August 12, 2017, 02:03:12 PM
I'm reluctant to post images which include people I know, especially of family members. It really has very little to do with Hunt WA, however. I'm not a paranoid person, but there's a lot of risks both professionally and safety-wise being recognized as a hunter in today's social media world.I don't even like posting my own picture online for anything. Not only because some people might not like hunting, but maybe because I'm more private than most people.
I have and will, but with caution.
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Post by: Tacbeav on August 12, 2017, 02:27:09 PM
Post by: YoterHunter on August 12, 2017, 02:32:26 PM
Drama queens...I don't do facebook because of the drama. Came hear a few years ago and all was good. Now it seems everything is drama. A lot of topics that create hate and division amongst the hunt/fish community. And a small hand full of people that are responsible. I have very thick skin but don't need drama in my life.. This one hit it on the nose.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 12, 2017, 02:34:42 PM
I could be wrong, maybe we can reduce usage and reduce posts by banning more and restricting more and still grow usage but I doubt it ???
Post by: Mark Brenckle on August 12, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
That's not you in your profile pic? :dunno: :dunno: :chuckle:I'm reluctant to post images which include people I know, especially of family members. It really has very little to do with Hunt WA, however. I'm not a paranoid person, but there's a lot of risks both professionally and safety-wise being recognized as a hunter in today's social media world.I don't even like posting my own picture online for anything. Not only because some people might not like hunting, but maybe because I'm more private than most people.
I have and will, but with caution.
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Post by: huntnfmly on August 12, 2017, 02:47:37 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on August 12, 2017, 02:49:02 PM
What I get out of the outdoors and my experiences are precious to me and i find myself not wanting to bother sharing with anyone that doesn't get exactly the same as what I get out of it.
Not sure if that makes sense or not.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on August 12, 2017, 02:49:26 PM
Post by: Bluemoon on August 12, 2017, 03:07:09 PM
Post by: The scout on August 12, 2017, 03:29:11 PM
Post by: BD1 on August 12, 2017, 03:36:08 PM
Mike BD1
Post by: boneaddict on August 12, 2017, 03:55:01 PM
Post by: Bofire on August 12, 2017, 03:56:34 PM
Carl
Post by: JL on August 12, 2017, 04:00:26 PM
I've shared a few times but mostly don't. When I pondered why I don't share my hunts or experiences in the outdoors , I guess it's the same reason I mostly hunt alone these days.
What I get out of the outdoors and my experiences are precious to me and i find myself not wanting to bother sharing with anyone that doesn't get exactly the same as what I get out of it.
Not sure if that makes sense or not.
That makes perfect sense to me cbond.
I do really enjoy and appreciate this forum. On it daily, just don't post much. What's stuck out at me the most is how this group comes together when another member is dealt a tough hand. It's inspired me.
Post by: wadu1 on August 12, 2017, 04:07:35 PM
I will post when I can help someone out, whether with a product or guidance on a topic I am familiar with. I don't chime in on various topics with strong opinions. All are entitled to their own.:yeah:
PlateauNDN, I truly enjoy your posts and perspective on many topics. pleased continue. would love to meet you one day.
best to all, Jackson
Jackson summed it up just fine, I will post when I can help or when someone is asking a specific question that I can answer. If it is my opinion I always add the :twocents: Someone on a post early this week that it's a few folks that are causing most of the issues? Maybe the Rule of 80-20 applies here as well, that is 20% of the people screw it up for the other 80% :dunno: just a thought.
I joined in 2008 when Killbilly was still active, he dropped off as well. I have meet some great folks on this site over the years and not one has been a disappointment. Some of the members I would really want to meet in person would be @PlateauNDN, @campmeat and @jrebble to name a few
Post by: huntandjeep on August 12, 2017, 05:02:03 PM
I will say ALL the members I have meet in person are some of the greatest people I've met.
Post by: huntandjeep on August 12, 2017, 05:10:12 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 12, 2017, 05:13:49 PM
That's not true with hunting information. If I tell someone where to hunt, it may hurt my opportunities. If it's someone I don't know and he hasn't demonstrated any effort on his own then I am probably inclined to not provide much specific help. Hunters are reluctant to share information that may adversely affect their own hunting. That's understandable to us.
New hunters may not understand that. They come on with one post asking for help, just like I and they do on other forums, expecting to get some information.
I've asked for and have been given help by multiple members. A lot of it occurs via PMs. Again, new members don't realize the barriers in place when asking for help or how best to ask.
I think the solution is for experienced hunters to understand that new members are just that, and not answer in such a way that they are turned off and give up.
Post by: Watimberghost on August 12, 2017, 05:13:53 PM
This site is like any other on the web... you will always get the good with the bad. People are people. Some are cool, and some suck... I do know that when I choose to post something that I will get a majority of good positive comments along with the inevitable negative comment. (Especially if you have shot a big animal, or found a big antler... for some reason the hate/jealousy just pours out when that happens).
Anyways, I enjoy this site and am on it everyday. The majority of the time I'm just reading other posts. When I do post, I don't get worked up over other people's negativity. I just enjoy the good people on here and look past the people who seem to live for shooting other people down or looking for flaws.
I appreciate all of you hunters out there that have the same passion that I do. To all of you guys, thanks for sharing your experiences, advice and knowledge. Hunting season is finally upon us! Another thing that really helps this site, haha :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on August 12, 2017, 05:18:23 PM
Keep it up guys. I'm taking in every word.
:yeah: glad to see folks opening up with their thoughts
Post by: BD1 on August 12, 2017, 05:23:50 PM
Mike
Post by: Dan-o on August 12, 2017, 05:30:46 PM
But I have gotten tons of great help from people here. And I have met a bunch of members. I'm glad to know every single one I've met.
That FAR outweighs any negatives.
Post by: Alex4200 on August 12, 2017, 05:56:03 PM
I almost always get some form of entertainment from this site. Mostly enjoy reading the positive and try to ignore the negative. Trick is learning when it is better to move on from a topic than to get pulled into one. Maybe I would post more if I knew how to let people know I am being sarcastic sometimes. :P
I think that too many times I see the result of a society (not just this site) that is quick with a short vague text response without thinking about how it can be interpreted. Then someone responds back without actually reading what the original post was about. And then the fight is on. We as a society have forgotten the art of conversation.
Post by: cookingdaily on August 12, 2017, 06:12:33 PM
Post by: runamuk on August 12, 2017, 06:17:05 PM
So yes I used to post a lot now just isn't worth it.
Post by: Mudman on August 12, 2017, 06:43:36 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 12, 2017, 06:52:36 PM
I wish instead of banning that users would get an ignore alert or something because some users have been banned that I wish weren't as I can take the good with the bad, though others may not. Some subjects are thin and you ban a couple active users and there's no more activity there.
Or maybe ban from certain categories ?
Post by: scotsman on August 12, 2017, 07:08:25 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 12, 2017, 07:22:42 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 12, 2017, 07:31:55 PM
I only post if I have something to actually contribute to the subject myself
This.
Post by: rjmcm on August 12, 2017, 07:52:56 PM
Post by: muleyman on August 12, 2017, 07:56:47 PM
I was a lurker for a couple years before signing up for the forum. I mainly like to read others hunting stories and seeing pictures like the multiple you post.these are my feelings exactly
The thing I don't like about forums and all the social media is it seems like everyone needs to voice there opinions and is judgmental like mentioned above so I may read the thread but never share my opinion on them. I only use a few forums but they are all pretty similar and you always have the guys that correct you when you are "wrong" or doing it a way they wouldn't.
Post by: KFhunter on August 12, 2017, 08:00:10 PM
Negativity on success topics is already against the forum rules and we'll crush it each and every time we find it; and if we don't find it please hit the report to moderator button and half a dozen mods will be there in mere minutes.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 12, 2017, 08:07:53 PM
For some reason magnum, that particular topic comes with some of the biggest egos and pissing matches and apowder keg worth of drama. It's really too bad because some of those players Were incredibly knowledgeableI imagine if I was a moderator reading every post it could get pretty old! I really appreciate those that put up with all of the egos to keep this going.
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 12, 2017, 08:30:54 PM
As such, this is my first post since April and probably my last for a while. I come on here once in a while to check classifieds now but that's about it.
Post by: KFhunter on August 12, 2017, 08:35:24 PM
Keep an eye out for mentions
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 12, 2017, 08:38:29 PM
Post by: SeaRun1 on August 12, 2017, 08:46:22 PM
SR1
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 12, 2017, 08:47:38 PM
One thing a forum like this has over other social media is you could go to Africa and kill Cecil the lion, post a bunch of pics here - and not worry about death threats, or even any negativity on your success topic for that matter.
Negativity on success topics is already against the forum rules and we'll crush it each and every time we find it; and if we don't find it please hit the report to moderator button and half a dozen mods will be there in mere minutes.
1. Maybe this stance should be used for all the topics :dunno:
2. "Report to moderator" I have never used this, I can usually roll with anything and just ignore some of the off replies. Does this get used much? I believe it may help to improve things if more folks took advantage of it, maybe a "Report to Mod-Please use it" campaign to get more folks familiar with it and use it. Then if certain members are showing a trend of negativity, name calling, nit picking, etc. use the 3 strikes rule.
1st a warning, 2nd give them a short vacation, 3rd time, send them packing for good. Sounds kind of harsh, but this is what I believe is needed....Got to pull the weeds from the garden if you want the good stuff to grow.
3. Pictures, we all like them, but seems a lot are worried about GPS tags giving away their locations. Is there anything in the help areas that explain how to keep these off your pics? Either way, this help needs to be more easily accessible for folks. Or is there a way the forum could be set up to do it automatically with any pic posted?
Nit picking of photos should be handled asap.....again 3 strikes rule....... Got to pull some more weeds.
4. Off Topics, Very rarely post there, but is a good place to "learn" about other members :chuckle:. 3 strikes rule in OT too IMO. This should remove quite a few more weeds ;)
5. Maybe add a couple more Mods, or give the current ones Thors hammer. :violent1:
(PS- Thanks to all the current ones for doing what you do. :tup:)
6. Garden will be weed free soon, we reap what we sow. :twocents: :twocents:
Post by: PastorJoel on August 12, 2017, 08:50:18 PM
Post by: JKEEN33 on August 12, 2017, 09:28:10 PM
Post by: runamuk on August 12, 2017, 09:35:56 PM
I like to hunt and fish. If I'm not hunting and fishing I like talking about it. The left vs right, east vs west is BS and been going on for a while. Focus on what you have in common rather what you don't. I have my opinions on certain things and have expressed them in disagreement with others, it doesn't mean I don't respect their opinion. I can't say I've received the same courtesy back. I check bones picks, hirshey's hunting stories, lokie's fishing stories and pics. Have had help with several auto projects from coach and others on here. Have hauled stuff across the state for a few members, sent a few new hunters and fishers to succesful spots. If I wanted politics or which side of the state grows bigger peckers, I would go to a site that specializes in that garbage. Mostly just jump in to check classifieds anymore because this site has deviated from what I was looking for when I joined. I will say I have met some great people through here.My woodpeckers are totally the biggest. :chuckle:
I think many of the great people on here are still interacting just far less openly on the forums and more behind the scenes.
The awesome people are still here just a little quieter I think.
Post by: JKEEN33 on August 12, 2017, 09:37:37 PM
I like to hunt and fish. If I'm not hunting and fishing I like talking about it. The left vs right, east vs west is BS and been going on for a while. Focus on what you have in common rather what you don't. I have my opinions on certain things and have expressed them in disagreement with others, it doesn't mean I don't respect their opinion. I can't say I've received the same courtesy back. I check bones picks, hirshey's hunting stories, lokie's fishing stories and pics. Have had help with several auto projects from coach and others on here. Have hauled stuff across the state for a few members, sent a few new hunters and fishers to succesful spots. If I wanted politics or which side of the state grows bigger peckers, I would go to a site that specializes in that garbage. Mostly just jump in to check classifieds anymore because this site has deviated from what I was looking for when I joined. I will say I have met some great people through here.My woodpeckers are totally the biggest. :chuckle:
I think many of the great people on here are still interacting just far less openly on the forums and more behind the scenes.
The awesome people are still here just a little quieter I think.
:tup:
Post by: JKEEN33 on August 12, 2017, 10:42:53 PM
Not friendly people. Tried helping over the years got burnt out. Rick
Some of us greatly appreciate your help and donations! Bownanza was a great success for us. I have a formal thank you letter in progress, but saw an opportunity to say thanks again here.
Post by: argali on August 12, 2017, 10:46:08 PM
Post by: davyboy on August 13, 2017, 01:11:17 AM
Post by: TVHunts on August 13, 2017, 07:46:58 AM
One thing a forum like this has over other social media is you could go to Africa and kill Cecil the lion, post a bunch of pics here - and not worry about death threats, or even any negativity on your success topic for that matter.
Negativity on success topics is already against the forum rules and we'll crush it each and every time we find it; and if we don't find it please hit the report to moderator button and half a dozen mods will be there in mere minutes.
1. Maybe this stance should be used for all the topics :dunno:
2. "Report to moderator" I have never used this, I can usually roll with anything and just ignore some of the off replies. Does this get used much? I believe it may help to improve things if more folks took advantage of it, maybe a "Report to Mod-Please use it" campaign to get more folks familiar with it and use it. Then if certain members are showing a trend of negativity, name calling, nit picking, etc. use the 3 strikes rule.
1st a warning, 2nd give them a short vacation, 3rd time, send them packing for good. Sounds kind of harsh, but this is what I believe is needed....Got to pull the weeds from the garden if you want the good stuff to grow.
3. Pictures, we all like them, but seems a lot are worried about GPS tags giving away their locations. Is there anything in the help areas that explain how to keep these off your pics? Either way, this help needs to be more easily accessible for folks. Or is there a way the forum could be set up to do it automatically with any pic posted?
Nit picking of photos should be handled asap.....again 3 strikes rule....... Got to pull some more weeds.
4. Off Topics, Very rarely post there, but is a good place to "learn" about other members :chuckle:. 3 strikes rule in OT too IMO. This should remove quite a few more weeds ;)
5. Maybe add a couple more Mods, or give the current ones Thors hammer. :violent1:
(PS- Thanks to all the current ones for doing what you do. :tup:)
6. Garden will be weed free soon, we reap what we sow. :twocents: :twocents:
Well put as always Nock Nock.
I've got a lot more posts than some guys do that have been here as long or longer and a lot less than others. I guess it has happened slowly but reflecting back, the site has gone South with negative posts and responses along with the nitpicking. If there isn't moderation of OT I probably need to opt out of it and ignore it. In my opinion the language and innuendos by a small group of guys is out of control.
I have thoroughly enjoyed posts with story's of OIL tags as well as well written posts of a hunt they had. I have bought lots of gear and weapons from great people from this site off of the classifieds.
I love the idea of the three strikes. If your parents didn't teach you a simple rule of "If you can't say anything nice don't say it at all" then there is not much hope for you.
I have admittedly been sucked in a couple of times in OT by one member. This current site evaluation makes me realize I need to simply not go there ever again. Lesson learned.
A sincere "Thank You" to Bearpaw and all the Mod's for your time and dedication to this site.
Post by: Rainier10 on August 13, 2017, 08:12:37 AM
Thanks Bone for starting it.
There is a ton of great input here. If you agree with someone's post in here please chime in. I just read the entire thread and there are definitely certain things that keep coming up. That really helps understand what issues to address first.
Thanks to everyone that has replied and please keep the replies coming.
Post by: smittyJ on August 13, 2017, 08:15:06 AM
Post by: jae on August 13, 2017, 08:18:47 AM
Most of my friends have either stopped posting or just do not look on here anymore. Because of that, there have been some great stories and photos taken that will not to on here.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 13, 2017, 08:44:57 AM
But I try to think about a post for a few seconds anymore before posting, it helps to keep stupid things from being said.
And yes I've been less active myself do to the negativity that has flourished of lately, I'm remember when I joined its was a lot more friendly, and informative then now.
And heh if u don't lik bad gramer toufg beesns, suck it up buter cup and don't tels us about it. Were not all paper pusher with engesh degrees. :beatdeadhorse:
Go cryder. :rockin:
Post by: boneaddict on August 13, 2017, 09:04:18 AM
Great thread! If people want others to post then be respectful and encouraging to others, Not critical and jealous.
Most of my friends have either stopped posting or just do not look on here anymore. Because of that, there have been some great stories and photos taken that will not to on here.
I hope in conversation you can tell them we are trying our hardest to fix things and they will rethink it and come back.
Post by: saylean on August 13, 2017, 09:08:26 AM
So, ya, people who view but don't post, come on! We'd love to see some of your stories, or even just hear them if you are concerned about your secret spots!
Its a great community for the most part. Come join the fun.
Post by: boneaddict on August 13, 2017, 09:12:38 AM
Basically if we all stop posting then there really isn't a forum, or it's a forum with just crap posts. Simple analogy, if everyone is eating the candy from the dish but no one is filling the dish, the dish isn't going to stay full long. I plan on trying my best to listen to everyone's points here. I've been here since day 3 or something like that. I've seen a lot of folks come and go and some come back. I'm pretty proud of our family here.
Post by: pygmy1985 on August 13, 2017, 09:31:58 AM
Like some have said, I am more of a listener than a talker. If I had more to offer, then I might post more.
Only last year and this year have I sought advice since I drew some tags and I wanted to maximize my chances of success. However, I realize that this forum exists because members contribute, so I will try to do so even if it's just by way of low quality digiscope pics or quick stories of my daughter's success!
I do agree as some have said that sometimes rare posters, i.e., "lurkers" asking for help seem shunned. I get it in part, " taking and not giving." However, I can also say that some members have been quite helpful and welcoming . HW should stay inviting because the success of blogs and forums, etc relies on the site being visited.
There are pay offs for HW that may not be apparent by a members number of posts. For instance, I never expected that I would spend some cash for info on where to find spring turkey, but I did so 2 years ago. Bear Paws info allowed me to find a spring turkey for my daughter; for me, it was money well spent!
Realize too that by keeping me interested in hunting and fishing, I share that enthusiasm with friends; now one such friend and his daughter are shooting bow and taking their hunters safety course. If they decide they want to hunt, I'll invite them. They will likely become HW members. That's a kind of "pay it forward" situation in my book.
So those are my two cents.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 13, 2017, 09:43:51 AM
Basically if we all stop posting then there really isn't a forum, or it's a forum with just crap posts. Simple analogy, if everyone is eating the candy from the dish but no one is filling the dish, the dish isn't going to stay full long. I plan on trying my best to listen to everyone's points here. I've been here since day 3 or something like that. I've seen a lot of folks come and go and some come back. I'm pretty proud of our family here.
Restock the candy dish with some posts :yeah:
Post by: JoeE on August 13, 2017, 09:44:20 AM
My biggest gripe is from the few whackadoodles on here who I'm pretty sure don't hunt or fish or do much outdoors but just come on here to spread tinfoil nonsense.
Post by: DeerThug on August 13, 2017, 11:03:42 AM
I found this site several years ago when i drew my moose tag via google. And yes my first posts were for help with an OIL tag. And yeah got nailed for it. Kinda was taken aback frankly. Did get two on here that via pm got me dialed in and i took if from there and took a pretty good bull.
I think the crap we are all describing is part of the cultural decline we see in general. Some of it i also think is generational. Not sure we can fix that. Maybe a general reminder on occasion to all would not be a bad idea.
And maybe for new members when they sign up they get an auto-message on suggested edicate and what to expect if they ask for help before the 100th post.
I consider myself a pretty sage and experienced hunter and think have a lot to offer to those that have not got the grey hair and miles on the boots as i. I do my share of killing. There are a lot of us here that are the same. So it is their loss i guess that they turn us off from contributing more than what some of us do.
Thug
Post by: hunter399 on August 13, 2017, 11:29:14 AM
So after that I will never pm , or help another hunter,unless I meet them in person first.
The first year I was on here I posted harvest photos,but not anymore,and with trail cams I try not to post them anymore,to many internet police wanting to throw the reg book at you.
I'm one of the most disliked members for being outspoken,or for really saying how I feel about topics that come up on the forum.But if everybody agree on topic,or doesn't share there point of view, not much of a forum if you can't express your opinion.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 13, 2017, 11:30:21 AM
Post by: h20hunter on August 13, 2017, 11:37:12 AM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on August 13, 2017, 11:48:36 AM
I'm all for talking hunting and fishing and everyone gonna have different point of view. That's what makes this country great. But when it goes from that to some guy miss reading it and trying to say you did this or that illegal. No thanks. I'll just stay logged out and lurk. I can give great advice on where some animals are. I spend 6 months out in the woods cause my wife and job allows it. But the negativity stops that.
Post by: Leeroi on August 13, 2017, 12:06:14 PM
Maybe, we all should go back to our roots of the love of the hunt and enjoy that we have a place where kindred spirits can come together and share experiences both good and bad.
Post by: Bob33 on August 13, 2017, 12:37:13 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 13, 2017, 12:44:11 PM
If someone posts an image with clearly illegal behavior, wouldn't you prefer to hear about it here first rather than from an enforcement officer? Lots of hunters violate game laws unintentionally. Many of the so called "internet police" are really trying to help in certain cases, as I see it.
:yeah: I agree, I think in many cases people are trying to help and it gets misinterpreted.
Post by: medic6 on August 13, 2017, 12:44:36 PM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on August 13, 2017, 01:07:52 PM
If someone posts an image with clearly illegal behavior, wouldn't you prefer to hear about it here first rather than from an enforcement officer? Lots of hunters violate game laws unintentionally. Many of the so called "internet police" are really trying to help in certain cases, as I see it.
:yeah: I agree, I think in many cases people are trying to help and it gets misinterpreted.
I agree. But I'm sure that's why you guys have a pm option. Once someone puts it out on the forum of so called "helping" out. Then it's a snowball effect and it goes south real quick with bashing and negativity.
Post by: cookingdaily on August 13, 2017, 01:23:57 PM
Maybe for new members when they sign up they get an auto-message on suggested edicate and what to expect if they ask for help before the 100th post.
Post by: rougheye on August 13, 2017, 01:26:05 PM
If someone posts an image with clearly illegal behavior, wouldn't you prefer to hear about it here first rather than from an enforcement officer? Lots of hunters violate game laws unintentionally. Many of the so called "internet police" are really trying to help in certain cases, as I see it.
:yeah: I agree, I think in many cases people are trying to help and it gets
misinterpreted.
I've actually gotten a visit f
Rom the game warden from a pic I put on this sight. Turned out to b
E nothing but jealousy from some popular members on this sight I don't post pics anymore. This used to be a great place.i don't post but I still lurke
Post by: inchtowntracking on August 13, 2017, 01:42:30 PM
Post by: Curly on August 13, 2017, 01:50:32 PM
If someone posts an image with clearly illegal behavior, wouldn't you prefer to hear about it here first rather than from an enforcement officer? Lots of hunters violate game laws unintentionally. Many of the so called "internet police" are really trying to help in certain cases, as I see it.
:yeah: I agree, I think in many cases people are trying to help and it gets misinterpreted.
I agree. But I'm sure that's why you guys have a pm option. Once someone puts it out on the forum of so called "helping" out. Then it's a snowball effect and it goes south real quick with bashing and negativity.
The PM option is great, but posting in the open forum would help educate everyone.
Post by: JKEEN33 on August 13, 2017, 01:55:49 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 13, 2017, 02:51:53 PM
I've sent a few friendly im's with a reason why someone may have want to remove a pic. The problem with commenting in the post is a lot copy the original and then comment. Guy makes a mistake, tries to correct it, but can't edit all the copied replies.
That's the smart and polite thing to do. :tup:
Post by: jackelope on August 13, 2017, 03:31:29 PM
I am in the boat as most of the comments. I rarely chime in and dont think i even posted any of my hunts or pics from last year. It got to the place as most have said that right off the bat it goes sideways. Just not worth the time,
I found this site several years ago when i drew my moose tag via google. And yes my first posts were for help with an OIL tag. And yeah got nailed for it. Kinda was taken aback frankly. Did get two on here that via pm got me dialed in and i took if from there and took a pretty good bull.
I think the crap we are all describing is part of the cultural decline we see in general. Some of it i also think is generational. Not sure we can fix that. Maybe a general reminder on occasion to all would not be a bad idea.
And maybe for new members when they sign up they get an auto-message on suggested edicate and what to expect if they ask for help before the 100th post.
I consider myself a pretty sage and experienced hunter and think have a lot to offer to those that have not got the grey hair and miles on the boots as i. I do my share of killing. There are a lot of us here that are the same. So it is their loss i guess that they turn us off from contributing more than what some of us do.
Thug
I can certainly personally vouch for your last paragraph at a minimum. I've seen your knowledge shared first hand. Thank you for that. Now go post some pics from last years hunts!!
Post by: outdoorsdad on August 13, 2017, 04:08:14 PM
Most of my interactions with other members has been initiated through PM's. There have been times when I've been blown off but there have been more instances that have been beneficial to those involved.
My interests in hunting has shifted from big game to prairie dogs and sage rats. Unfortunately there doesn't seen to be too many other members with the same desire. I think most of the reason is that Washington is not known as a hotspot for either animal so it takes a fair amount of travel time to do what I do. My attraction is the accuracy factor required and the amount of shots fired on any given day far surpasses any other form of hunting or sport shooting (IPSC, IDPA, trap etc) that I've been involved in.
Post by: Giggles on August 13, 2017, 05:45:38 PM
Vr,
Tim
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 13, 2017, 05:55:44 PM
If someone posts an image with clearly illegal behavior, wouldn't you prefer to hear about it here first rather than from an enforcement officer? Lots of hunters violate game laws unintentionally. Many of the so called "internet police" are really trying to help in certain cases, as I see it.
:yeah: I agree, I think in many cases people are trying to help and it gets misinterpreted.
I agree too.
But have a question. Several have mentioned the worry of folks trying to get 10 points from turning in a person from something they saw wrong in a posted photo.......Is that really possible? I get that a photo may start an investigation into something but to earn bonus points thought you had to have a little better info than...."Hey WDFW, heres this photo of________" now give me my 10 points.
Post by: Bob33 on August 13, 2017, 06:03:36 PM
Judgment of the officer.If someone posts an image with clearly illegal behavior, wouldn't you prefer to hear about it here first rather than from an enforcement officer? Lots of hunters violate game laws unintentionally. Many of the so called "internet police" are really trying to help in certain cases, as I see it.
:yeah: I agree, I think in many cases people are trying to help and it gets misinterpreted.
I agree too.
But have a question. Several have mentioned the worry of folks trying to get 10 points from turning in a person from something they saw wrong in a posted photo.......Is that really possible? I get that a photo may start an investigation into something but to earn bonus points thought you had to have a little better info than...."Hey WDFW, heres this photo of________" now give me my 10 points.
"A person who provides information which contributes substantially to the arrest of another person for illegally hunting or killing big game or an endangered species as defined by Title 77 RCW is eligible to receive ten bonus points toward the special hunting permit drawing for one application category of deer or elk special hunting season permits."
Post by: GBoyd on August 13, 2017, 06:04:43 PM
I don't even really agree with most of the comments in this post. The behavior your describing doesn't really bother me. Maybe it's because I'm only 30 and I grew up with the internet, but I'm pretty used to ignoring idiots on the internet. Or if I can tell that a thread is turning into "indians are ruining everything" or "Ford vs Chevy," I just go read something else.
I really like this site. I think it's best as a platform for sharing photos and success stories, real-time condition reporting (berry/mushroom elevations, snow conditions, river levels, road conditions, etc), and questions from frustrated newbies.
I'd love any changes to encourage those activities.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 13, 2017, 06:20:45 PM
If someone posts an image with clearly illegal behavior, wouldn't you prefer to hear about it here first rather than from an enforcement officer? Lots of hunters violate game laws unintentionally. Many of the so called "internet police" are really trying to help in certain cases, as I see it.
:yeah: I agree, I think in many cases people are trying to help and it gets misinterpreted.
I agree. But I'm sure that's why you guys have a pm option. Once someone puts it out on the forum of so called "helping" out. Then it's a snowball effect and it goes south real quick with bashing and negativity.
Yep, I posted some help on a late over the counter hunt for whiteies, and got lambasted for it by another member, hell I didn't care its not in an exceptional area just good chance to get a deer. And I'd post that spot again if someone was smart enough to ask about that unit. :chuckle:
Post by: pd on August 13, 2017, 06:28:56 PM
I really enjoy CRyder. I wish people would lay off of him, his posts are very entertaining.
I miss the young fellow who could really fish (I have forgotten his name). Always stuck his tongue out in the pictures. Everybody has a place here, that guy never hurt anybody.
The hunters/fishers from the Native American community have a special place here, in my opinion, because many of them spend MUCH more time in the field and have a lot to offer. I really get tired of the "they only got that bull because they can drive behind the locked gates" baloney. Blah, blah, blah. Maybe there should be some sort of disclaimer posted by every tribal member before they post: "I'm an Indian, if you can't handle this message, go somewhere else and cry."
The east/west stuff is just silly, so I ignore it. The Indian bashing really makes me want to leave. They are hunters, too, and this is a hunting site.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on August 13, 2017, 06:41:27 PM
Post by: deerhuntr4885 on August 13, 2017, 06:51:52 PM
Defending poachers and other criminals, politics, bashing the police. Off topics ruined this site for me. If I have something to say I usually just PM.
Post by: h20hunter on August 13, 2017, 06:54:52 PM
Post by: Curly on August 13, 2017, 06:58:20 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 13, 2017, 07:01:15 PM
Post by: walt on August 13, 2017, 07:04:01 PM
Post by: Curly on August 13, 2017, 07:05:30 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 13, 2017, 07:23:25 PM
We are reading each and every comment posted in this topic.
Post by: ac_156 on August 13, 2017, 07:30:14 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 13, 2017, 07:34:47 PM
You weren't asking for my opinion, I know (I post too much already).
I really enjoy CRyder. I wish people would lay off of him, his posts are very entertaining.
I miss the young fellow who could really fish (I have forgotten his name). Always stuck his tongue out in the pictures. Everybody has a place here, that guy never hurt anybody.
The hunters/fishers from the Native American community have a special place here, in my opinion, because many of them spend MUCH more time in the field and have a lot to offer. I really get tired of the "they only got that bull because they can drive behind the locked gates" baloney. Blah, blah, blah. Maybe there should be some sort of disclaimer posted by every tribal member before they post: "I'm an Indian, if you can't handle this message, go somewhere else and cry."
The east/west stuff is just silly, so I ignore it. The Indian bashing really makes me want to leave. They are hunters, too, and this is a hunting site.
I enjoy reading cryder's posts, theyre entertaining and challenging all at the same time. You have to read and reread it and read between the lines to get an idea of what he's saying. I also remember the guy you're referring to that slayed salmon like a champ and always blacked his face except his tongue. I liked his pics and posts as he never responded to anybody giving him crap or criticizing.
My 12 year old nephew drew a big bull tag and killed a 280 bull. His dad's first post to this forum was that bull. My nephew was so excited. After a few posts the "His dad probably shot that". "I wonder whose orchard he shot that in?" And my favorite...."That's a dink for that tag. I would not have shot it." He cried that night and neither he or his dad have been back.
Defending poachers and other criminals, politics, bashing the police. Off topics ruined this site for me. If I have something to say I usually just PM.
I remember that thread. It's sucks he had to endure that crap from people. And it's not just him but others as well that have to put up with crap from some that have nothing better to do.
I can only wonder what he and his father could've contributed to this site in the dorm of stories, pics and knowledge. It also makes one wonder the countless other people that were chased off or turned off by the crap and didn't join or haven't posted at all.
Post by: Holg3107 on August 13, 2017, 07:36:07 PM
Not sure what happened to the Photo of the Month contest but I always voted and always enjoyed that.
One idea to help bring things like this back would be some simple contests like photo of the month, success thread of the month, I don't know something to encourage people to post more photos and experiences.
Also think the ban hammer could be brought out and cull the heard a bit that seems to be creating some of these problems. As was previously mentioned give a few of the really long term mods Thors Hammer and let them have at it as they see fit.
Post by: FWilliams on August 13, 2017, 07:49:11 PM
My 12 year old nephew drew a big bull tag and killed a 280 bull. His dad's first post to this forum was that bull. My nephew was so excited. After a few posts the "His dad probably shot that". "I wonder whose orchard he shot that in?" And my favorite...."That's a dink for that tag. I would not have shot it." He cried that night and neither he or his dad have been back,
This crap right here. :yeah: I have heard this from members with kids. I had 2 former members on my boat Sat. they will never come back because of the way their kids were treated when posting harvest pics with special permits. A trophy is in the eye of the tag holder, especially a youth, maybe his or her first harvest ever? the young man that harvested that bull brings it by our camp and he is a legend in our eyes. Then you have the elite club that has to come on here and tell you about the mega critter harvested but cant share pics with the general forum? whats up with that ?
I have tried to help out a few guys on here when I knew they could use something and I have never asked for anything in return.......I wish we could see some of the older posts from when Ray started the place , and what the place used to be like. I ended up here because the monster muleys sight went to crap, seeing the same crap here now.
Fred
Post by: Dan-o on August 13, 2017, 08:10:21 PM
My 12 year old nephew drew a big bull tag and killed a 280 bull. His dad's first post to this forum was that bull. My nephew was so excited. After a few posts the "His dad probably shot that". "I wonder whose orchard he shot that in?" And my favorite...."That's a dink for that tag. I would not have shot it." He cried that night and neither he or his dad have been back,
This crap right here. :yeah: I have heard this from members with kids. I had 2 former members on my boat Sat. they will never come back because of the way their kids were treated when posting harvest pics with special permits. A trophy is in the eye of the tag holder, especially a youth, maybe his or her first harvest ever? the young man that harvested that bull brings it by our camp and he is a legend in our eyes. Then you have the elite club that has to come on here and tell you about the mega critter harvested but cant share pics with the general forum? whats up with that ?
I have tried to help out a few guys on here when I knew they could use something and I have never asked for anything in return.......I wish we could see some of the older posts from when Ray started the place , and what the place used to be like. I ended up here because the monster muleys sight went to crap, seeing the same crap here now.
Fred
Stuff like what happened to that 12 year old should not be allowed. Period. And it also shouldn't happen to adults.
Remember the recent thread on that huge road kill bull in Auburn? It didn't take long for people to start suggesting it was more likely poached.
I hope the site owner/moderators seriously consider a rule that says if you defame somebody, you are banned until such time as you post a written retraction with an apology.
There should be zero tolerance for suggesting that others cheated/poached/etc without proof.
Post by: Bob33 on August 13, 2017, 08:14:30 PM
I don't recall this specific incident with the 12 year old. I can say with virtual certainty that it would not be allowed today. It violates several rules. We have no tolerance for that type of behavior.My 12 year old nephew drew a big bull tag and killed a 280 bull. His dad's first post to this forum was that bull. My nephew was so excited. After a few posts the "His dad probably shot that". "I wonder whose orchard he shot that in?" And my favorite...."That's a dink for that tag. I would not have shot it." He cried that night and neither he or his dad have been back,
This crap right here. :yeah: I have heard this from members with kids. I had 2 former members on my boat Sat. they will never come back because of the way their kids were treated when posting harvest pics with special permits. A trophy is in the eye of the tag holder, especially a youth, maybe his or her first harvest ever? the young man that harvested that bull brings it by our camp and he is a legend in our eyes. Then you have the elite club that has to come on here and tell you about the mega critter harvested but cant share pics with the general forum? whats up with that ?
I have tried to help out a few guys on here when I knew they could use something and I have never asked for anything in return.......I wish we could see some of the older posts from when Ray started the place , and what the place used to be like. I ended up here because the monster muleys sight went to crap, seeing the same crap here now.
Fred
Stuff like what happened to that 12 year old should not be allowed. Period. And it also shouldn't happen to adults.
Remember the recent thread on that huge road kill bull in Auburn? It didn't take long for people to start suggesting it was more likely poached.
I hope the site owner/moderators seriously consider a rule that says if you defame somebody, you are banned until such time as you post a written retraction with an apology.
There should be zero tolerance for suggesting that others cheated/poached/etc without proof.
"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, name calling, belittling, threatening, negativity in success topics, unproven accusations, intentionally instigates trouble, obscene, profanity or intended profanity, sexually oriented, adult material, invasive of a person's privacy, or in violation of any International, State, or United States Federal law."
Post by: bearpaw on August 13, 2017, 08:26:51 PM
My 12 year old nephew drew a big bull tag and killed a 280 bull. His dad's first post to this forum was that bull. My nephew was so excited. After a few posts the "His dad probably shot that". "I wonder whose orchard he shot that in?" And my favorite...."That's a dink for that tag. I would not have shot it." He cried that night and neither he or his dad have been back,
This crap right here. :yeah: I have heard this from members with kids. I had 2 former members on my boat Sat. they will never come back because of the way their kids were treated when posting harvest pics with special permits. A trophy is in the eye of the tag holder, especially a youth, maybe his or her first harvest ever? the young man that harvested that bull brings it by our camp and he is a legend in our eyes. Then you have the elite club that has to come on here and tell you about the mega critter harvested but cant share pics with the general forum? whats up with that ?
I have tried to help out a few guys on here when I knew they could use something and I have never asked for anything in return.......I wish we could see some of the older posts from when Ray started the place , and what the place used to be like. I ended up here because the monster muleys sight went to crap, seeing the same crap here now.
Fred
Stuff like what happened to that 12 year old should not be allowed. Period. And it also shouldn't happen to adults.
Remember the recent thread on that huge road kill bull in Auburn? It didn't take long for people to start suggesting it was more likely poached.
I hope the site owner/moderators seriously consider a rule that says if you defame somebody, you are banned until such time as you post a written retraction with an apology.
There should be zero tolerance for suggesting that others cheated/poached/etc without proof.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,138143.msg1834137.html#msg1834137
This might be the topic but I can't find the nasty comments, I sent a message to deerhuntr4885 asking if this is the topic. It's possible we cleaned it up, I can't imagine that we would leave those comments if we knew about them.
Post by: kevinlisa06 on August 13, 2017, 08:29:05 PM
There are so many people bashing and nit picking others on this site it's ridiculous some days.
If I can contribute to a post I do and have gotten help here aswell and thank the people.
The only way I know how to post a pic on this site is through Tapatalk so frustrating doing it without it. Since I am not technologically savvy.
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Post by: FWilliams on August 13, 2017, 08:57:00 PM
I don't post much here but do enjoy the site. I will say that I enjoy the FB version better, why you may ask is I can like the post instead of commenting on it.
There are so many people bashing and nit picking others on this site it's ridiculous some days.
If I can contribute to a post I do and have gotten help here aswell and thank the people.
The only way I know how to post a pic on this site is through Tapatalk so frustrating doing it without it. Since I am not technologically savvy.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I correspond with a few members and ex members via facebook, the thing about facebook is you don't hide behind a "handle". you use your name. I think a lot of these bashers and nitpickers would watch what they say if there real name was there for everyone to see.
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 13, 2017, 08:58:06 PM
My 12 year old wants to start lurking but I wont let him because of the negativity and bashing. I know he could learn a lot from some very wise and helpful individuals but I don't want him to see the dark side of the site. The risk is not worth the reward.
Post by: bobcat on August 13, 2017, 09:03:47 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 13, 2017, 09:10:44 PM
Wow. I sure don't see all the negativity and bashing that some say goes on here. Yes it definitely happens occasionally but it's not the norm.I agree when it comes to photos and success stories.
Post by: Wazukie on August 13, 2017, 09:15:12 PM
The reason - Life! My calling in life is one of a Pastor, minister, counselor and with the way our world is going, believe me you, I have been busy! Although, this year, I will take a young hunter bear hunting for the first time and I AM looking forward to that.
One day, maybe, we can begin to have civil debates, of all topics, again. Time will tell. Happy Hunting!
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 13, 2017, 09:15:48 PM
My 12 year old nephew drew a big bull tag and killed a 280 bull. His dad's first post to this forum was that bull. My nephew was so excited. After a few posts the "His dad probably shot that". "I wonder whose orchard he shot that in?" And my favorite...."That's a dink for that tag. I would not have shot it." He cried that night and neither he or his dad have been back.
That's a shame. My absolute favorite posts here are kid success pics and stories.
Post by: kevinlisa06 on August 13, 2017, 09:16:14 PM
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Post by: Happy Gilmore on August 13, 2017, 09:29:11 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 13, 2017, 09:36:43 PM
allowing a forum to find it's balance and not be overly moderated is the best way IMO. Retriever Training Forum was one of the best forums in dog stuff for a long time. The owner started moderating the heck out of it and wanted everyone to be PC all the time and it got real boring, real fast.agree with that :yeah: If you haven't noticed its really quiet in church. Don't need a 2am bar brawl but boring = dead.
Post by: Wazukie on August 13, 2017, 09:39:13 PM
allowing a forum to find it's balance and not be overly moderated is the best way IMO. Retriever Training Forum was one of the best forums in dog stuff for a long time. The owner started moderating the heck out of it and wanted everyone to be PC all the time and it got real boring, real fast.agree with that :yeah: If you haven't noticed its really quiet in church. Don't need a 2am bar brawl but boring = dead.
Hmmm, never noticed that before, but maybe I'm going to the wrong church :dunno: ;)
Post by: Oh Mah on August 13, 2017, 09:46:22 PM
For me it's the nit picking and judgement of the post's. like not wearing orange in the trophy pic or the pointing out of every detail that could be or has the possibility of being unsafe or maybe could be illegal not that it is but it could be if you look at it a certain way.There also seems to be a clique that can get away with saying things that others can not.I love this place but i don't post much because of this. :(This nails it for me.The click,This site is a great site and i do enjoy it but at the risk of reprisal i think that reg.members don't hit as hard as it does when a mod gets in on it and takes sides.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 13, 2017, 09:53:50 PM
allowing a forum to find it's balance and not be overly moderated is the best way IMO. Retriever Training Forum was one of the best forums in dog stuff for a long time. The owner started moderating the heck out of it and wanted everyone to be PC all the time and it got real boring, real fast.agree with that :yeah: If you haven't noticed its really quiet in church. Don't need a 2am bar brawl but boring = dead.
Hmmm, never noticed that before, but maybe I'm going to the wrong church :dunno: ;)
Maybe I am !
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 13, 2017, 10:13:32 PM
At the same time, though, an unmoderated forum ends up getting boring because hardly anyone wants to jump in the slugfest. I keep seeing comments about the negativity, bashing and nit picking here on HW, but then I go to a couple fishing forums and it is so much worse. (like the barrels that didn't get the bad apples removed?)allowing a forum to find it's balance and not be overly moderated is the best way IMO. Retriever Training Forum was one of the best forums in dog stuff for a long time. The owner started moderating the heck out of it and wanted everyone to be PC all the time and it got real boring, real fast.agree with that :yeah: If you haven't noticed its really quiet in church. Don't need a 2am bar brawl but boring = dead.
Post by: jmscon on August 13, 2017, 10:52:36 PM
You weren't asking for my opinion, I know (I post too much already).
I really enjoy CRyder. I wish people would lay off of him, his posts are very entertaining.
I miss the young fellow who could really fish (I have forgotten his name). Always stuck his tongue out in the pictures. Everybody has a place here, that guy never hurt anybody.
The hunters/fishers from the Native American community have a special place here, in my opinion, because many of them spend MUCH more time in the field and have a lot to offer. I really get tired of the "they only got that bull because they can drive behind the locked gates" baloney. Blah, blah, blah. Maybe there should be some sort of disclaimer posted by every tribal member before they post: "I'm an Indian, if you can't handle this message, go somewhere else and cry."
The east/west stuff is just silly, so I ignore it. The Indian bashing really makes me want to leave. They are hunters, too, and this is a hunting site.
:yeah:
I was pretty shocked at the anti-native sentiment on this site! Someone sees a bull elk in the back of a truck after the regular season and it gets posted as another hate natives thread. And seeing one of the admins chime in on the bashing was a big surprise. I respect that they can have opinions too but still surprised me.
The east west thing I get but I feel is pretty childish, I bleed red just like everyone else.
In off-topics one of the posts that stands out to me was in the thread about the guy in the mid west who had a conceal carry permit and was shot by a cop. One person wrote that some people deserve to get killed. And I'm sitting here thinking what is wrong with these people!
There are a ton of good people on here though and I really appreciate the help that I have gotten on here and the members that I have met in person all have been really good people, hope to meet a lot more!
Put off topics on ignore and still here everyday.
The story of the 12 yo and his bull really is sad!
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Post by: deerhuntr4885 on August 13, 2017, 11:10:29 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 13, 2017, 11:23:36 PM
Bearpaw contacted me about my nephew's bull. He provided the link and I do not see the comments that I referred to. I am feeling very uneasy right now. I know what I read and heard from my sister but I am wondering if I am blaming the wrong site for this. Or could they have been deleted? If I am confused as to which site, I apologize to Bearpaw and all the members.
No worries! It's possible the comments were posted on this site and the mods removed them. I checked the deleted items folder and found three messages that had been deleted that referenced the direction of the gun in the photo. However, if two moderators were deleting negative remarks at the same time it's possible the remarks you mentioned were completely removed with no record remaining, that's why I say the comments could have been posted on this site, we can't say for certain. Either way, your story illustrates the kind of negativity that we want to avoid on this forum and I thank you for speaking up. Stories like this help us all understand the impacts of negative remarks and the need to clean it up! :tup:
Post by: Tbar on August 13, 2017, 11:28:37 PM
I agree with both of these comments. I will not post stories or pictures on this site and caution my kids to stay away. Several mods have openly voiced their anti native (or at least Washington native) sentiment. I will help quietly when I can, especially youth and advocate when given the opportunity. I have met a few people that here that I now considered good friends so for that I owe my gratitude.You weren't asking for my opinion, I know (I post too much already).
I really enjoy CRyder. I wish people would lay off of him, his posts are very entertaining.
I miss the young fellow who could really fish (I have forgotten his name). Always stuck his tongue out in the pictures. Everybody has a place here, that guy never hurt anybody.
The hunters/fishers from the Native American community have a special place here, in my opinion, because many of them spend MUCH more time in the field and have a lot to offer. I really get tired of the "they only got that bull because they can drive behind the locked gates" baloney. Blah, blah, blah. Maybe there should be some sort of disclaimer posted by every tribal member before they post: "I'm an Indian, if you can't handle this message, go somewhere else and cry."
The east/west stuff is just silly, so I ignore it. The Indian bashing really makes me want to leave. They are hunters, too, and this is a hunting site.
:yeah:
I was pretty shocked at the anti-native sentiment on this site! Someone sees a bull elk in the back of a truck after the regular season and it gets posted as another hate natives thread. And seeing one of the admins chime in on the bashing was a big surprise. I respect that they can have opinions too but still surprised me.
The east west thing I get but I feel is pretty childish, I bleed red just like everyone else.
In off-topics one of the posts that stands out to me was in the thread about the guy in the mid west who had a conceal carry permit and was shot by a cop. One person wrote that some people deserve to get killed. And I'm sitting here thinking what the *censored* is wrong with these people!
There are a ton of good people on here though and I really appreciate the help that I have gotten on here and the members that I have met in person all have been really good people, hope to meet a lot more!
Put off topics on ignore and still here everyday.
The story of the 12 yo and his bull really is sad!
Post by: Ellensburg on August 13, 2017, 11:33:46 PM
Wow. I sure don't see all the negativity and bashing that some say goes on here. Yes it definitely happens occasionally but it's not the norm.
Agree.
This is about as tame as a forum gets on the internet.
I feel like the average hunt-wa user is not the most internet-savvy person. This isn't a necessarily a bad thing, but these people tend to be easily offended and take common e-banter too seriously.
All i've seen this site do is grow and expand. Seems fine to me.
People just need to thicken their e-skin ;)
Post by: bearpaw on August 13, 2017, 11:48:46 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 14, 2017, 06:18:20 AM
I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.
Post by: Odell on August 14, 2017, 06:33:09 AM
For me it's the nit picking and judgement of the post's. like not wearing orange in the trophy pic or the pointing out of every detail that could be or has the possibility of being unsafe or maybe could be illegal not that it is but it could be if you look at it a certain way.There also seems to be a clique that can get away with saying things that others can not.I love this place but i don't post much because of this. :(
X2 on the nit picking.
I shot a nice (for me) decent 4X4 muley this last year. Nothing for the record books, but I was very happy with it. Kind of an average 4X4 in all aspects. I actually thought twice about posting it, just because of nit pickers and nay sayers. I ended up posting it, but I can understand why people don't.
A couple recent examples:
* Bearpaw posted the 40' buck........ unreal pig of a buck. It didn't take long for someone to suggest that a fence was involved. By all indications, that was a free roaming deer. Why take a cheap shot at someone like that, just because they're fortunate enough to hunt deer in Mexico?
* That huge (Nevada?) governor's tag buck still in velvet. Another buck of a lifetime. And yet, it didn't take long for someone to say the hunter sure has long arms. Again, why the need for cheap shots??
Can't there be simple decorum like don't take unwarranted cheap shots???????
THANK YOU for all you do to make this forum great. It's still the best hunting forum I've ever found. :tup:
This is just how many people are these days due to the change in culture fueled by social media. There is no changing it, just ignore. People shouldn't stop posting because some other people are morons.
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I will be spending more time here when bird and big game seasons open up. Until then, I'm mostly a "lurker."
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Post by: Mossbak on August 14, 2017, 06:56:54 AM
Post by: Jolten on August 14, 2017, 07:22:49 AM
Obviously I don't post much, for the most part a total lurker. I love this site though and I'm on it almost daily checking out pics and reading stories. For me between my kids sports and work, my time in the woods or on the water is limited so not a whole lot of game pics to post. Hopefully this year I'll get a pic of my buddies big bull since he finally drew a Modern Bethell.
Awesome. There's some nice bulls up there.
Post by: Tbar on August 14, 2017, 08:39:45 AM
How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native? Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.With civility, even in disagreement.
I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.
Post by: Bob33 on August 14, 2017, 08:48:41 AM
1. Don't stereotype.How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native? Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.With civility, even in disagreement.
I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
:tup:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 14, 2017, 10:25:17 AM
1. Don't stereotype.How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native? Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.With civility, even in disagreement.
I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
:tup:
I get that. That is generally applicable. I am still not convinced it is possible on those topics without violating 0-3. But for reasons why is for another thread (maybe).
Post by: Bob33 on August 14, 2017, 10:29:45 AM
Opinions can get heated. I do know the moderators are not going to give much latitude on violators going forward.1. Don't stereotype.How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native? Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.With civility, even in disagreement.
I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
:tup:
I get that. That is generally applicable. I am still not convinced it is possible on those topics without violating 0-3. But for reasons why is for another thread (maybe).
Post by: stickman999 on August 14, 2017, 11:09:45 AM
Post by: bracer40 on August 14, 2017, 11:23:50 AM
Thanks for posing the question. After reading all of the thread and thinking about this, several things come to mind.
First, I worked hard at teaching my kids when they were youngsters that if you didn't have something to say that was helpful, or said in a caring way, it was probably better left unsaid. I try to communicate the same way regardless of the medium.
I also realized I rarely post pics....heck, I rarely take em...I'm the same way on other social media as well. I guess I'm not the type to point attention to myself.
I belong to several forums and find it interesting how this one has some very loud and opinionated voices compared to the others. I agree with others that the growing frequency of nitpicking and chest thumping has become tiring...I recognize some of that behavior from when I was a child as the oldest of seven kids....we considered it sport to to tease, pick on and generally inflame our siblings until they reacted....i see a lot of the same behavior from guys posts here. Isnt that what they call trolling?
I've tried disconnecting from Hunt WA several times over the past few years....but I keep coming back....WHY?
I love hunting, fishing and most things outdoors. I love the pics, the stories, the helping of new guys and gals. The classifieds, the jokes, even some of the good natured bantering....
I hope things improve.....I don't think that's within the control of the moderators. I f eel that's largely the responsibility of each and everyone who hits their post button.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 14, 2017, 11:31:53 AM
Opinions can get heated. I do know the moderators are not going to give much latitude on violators going forward.1. Don't stereotype.How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native? Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.With civility, even in disagreement.
I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
:tup:
I get that. That is generally applicable. I am still not convinced it is possible on those topics without violating 0-3. But for reasons why is for another thread (maybe).
It's a long ways away in my opinion from getting to the point of civility. I knew 1 person that was always civil and did the things you mentioned in his approach to tribal members but he was one of those 1-in-a-million type people.
I can honestly say from my perspective just in the last year I only deleted my account twice. It wasn't because I had thin skin or couldn't handle it, it was because I got tired and still do get tired of being the 1 some point fingers at, or not doing enough to police my own, or just putting on a cover.
Hearing crap like that over and over gets old and when people lump us all together as "the Indians" did this, the 'Indians" did that, "the Indians" don't care etc. It gets frustrating having to repeat myself and defend myself.
Aside from that, the good on here has led me to meet many awesome people and it's sad that a few are ruining for the lot.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on August 14, 2017, 11:38:55 AM
Post by: bracer40 on August 14, 2017, 11:46:30 AM
Opinions can get heated. I do know the moderators are not going to give much latitude on violators going forward.1. Don't stereotype.How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native? Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.With civility, even in disagreement.
I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
:tup:
I get that. That is generally applicable. I am still not convinced it is possible on those topics without violating 0-3. But for reasons why is for another thread (maybe).
It's a long ways away in my opinion from getting to the point of civility. I knew 1 person that was always civil and did the things you mentioned in his approach to tribal members but he was one of those 1-in-a-million type people.
I can honestly say from my perspective just in the last year I only deleted my account twice. It wasn't because I had thin skin or couldn't handle it, it was because I got tired and still do get tired of being the 1 some point fingers at, or not doing enough to police my own, or just putting on a cover.
Hearing crap like that over and over gets old and when people lump us all together as "the Indians" did this, the 'Indians" did that, "the Indians" don't care etc. It gets frustrating having to repeat myself and defend myself.
Aside from that, the good on here has led me to meet many awesome people and it's sad that a few are ruining for the lot.
Plat, I can't imagine how upset I might be if I were in your shoes. I get so tired of people (not all of them of course) lumping everyone into their own little box and blaming an entire group of people for the bad actions of a few.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 14, 2017, 11:52:39 AM
Opinions can get heated. I do know the moderators are not going to give much latitude on violators going forward.1. Don't stereotype.How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native? Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.With civility, even in disagreement.
I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
:tup:
I get that. That is generally applicable. I am still not convinced it is possible on those topics without violating 0-3. But for reasons why is for another thread (maybe).
It's a long ways away in my opinion from getting to the point of civility. I knew 1 person that was always civil and did the things you mentioned in his approach to tribal members but he was one of those 1-in-a-million type people.
I can honestly say from my perspective just in the last year I only deleted my account twice. It wasn't because I had thin skin or couldn't handle it, it was because I got tired and still do get tired of being the 1 some point fingers at, or not doing enough to police my own, or just putting on a cover.
Hearing crap like that over and over gets old and when people lump us all together as "the Indians" did this, the 'Indians" did that, "the Indians" don't care etc. It gets frustrating having to repeat myself and defend myself.
Aside from that, the good on here has led me to meet many awesome people and it's sad that a few are ruining for the lot.
I think a lot of those problems would go away if both sides worked together more for "Equality". There shouldn't be a side, we should all be sovereign people and need to work together for the common goal. With the current division nothing will really get accomplished for long term conservation.
Wouldn't you agree Platndn if we all played by the same rules would help for that common goal?
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 14, 2017, 12:06:44 PM
There should be some type of monitoring and regulatory on my side of the fence but it's damn near impossible. Some day we'll get there and I hope it's not to late.
Otherwise, it'll be like the green/white river watershed and the damn Mucks, a barren wasteland deprived of animals because of uncontrolled and unregulated killing.
Then we can put on a face and parade around like we didn't cause it. :chuckle:
Post by: runamuk on August 14, 2017, 12:07:57 PM
Ding ding ding1. Don't stereotype.How do tribal members suggest we have discussions about tribal rights, abuses, enforcement, and/or lack of enforcement without coming across as anti-native? Serious question that I think could help the mods police those threads.With civility, even in disagreement.
I have avoided those threads, simply because I do not know a way to address such issues without it appearing anti-native.
2. Don't make personal attacks and derogatory comments.
3. Stick to facts as much as possible.
:tup:
I will add treat people the way you want to be treated.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 14, 2017, 12:21:42 PM
In the efforts of conservancy I'd say both sides should work together better. I support regulatory but not stripping away and some other agency trying to take away the rights my ancestors fought and died for.
There should be some type of monitoring and regulatory on my side of the fence but it's damn near impossible. Some day we'll get there and I hope it's not to late.
Otherwise, it'll be like the green/white river watershed and the damn Mucks, a barren wasteland deprived of animals because of uncontrolled and unregulated killing.
Then we can put on a face and parade around like we didn't cause it. :chuckle:
:yeah: Sure wish those agencies would get it figured out soon tho,but they may never. Guess we should keep telling ourselves everything is still in the hands of The Great Spirit.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 14, 2017, 12:42:04 PM
I'm not bothered by the irrelevant threads, I just go to unread posts to see what is new, and skip past anything that does not interest me. Sometimes I'm checking a few times a week, sometimes I don't check in for months. I do appreciate the site overall, I would miss it if it was gone.
Post by: CoryTDF on August 14, 2017, 12:52:37 PM
I also take my daughter hunting with me and have posted her success here. I quit that as well because I cannot stand the judgment that often comes. When it comes to my little girl my tolerance for stupidity is very low. I am not going to listen to somebody berate my child or myself for stupid things like rifle caliber or visible tag in a picture.
This forum can sound a lot like what I imagine a middle school girl locker room is like. DRAMA!!!! Used to be able to come on and ask advice and not get blasted by all the super cool dudes who "did it on their own". I hate when I see that on this site. If somebody wants some help or has a question just freaking help them! Send them the link to the other 623462349786 threads that may exist about the same topic. The HW search engine is not the best and it is possible that they just didn't pop up.
Anyway, I'm back for now. We shall see how long I last this time.
Post by: hntrspud on August 14, 2017, 12:59:32 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 14, 2017, 01:18:17 PM
Got really burned out on all the drama. Stayed away for quite a while and just recently came back. Honestly, I understand the whole thing about pictures. I am, and also belong to, a group of very successful waterfowl hunters and I almost never contribute to that thread or add any pictures as it is a freaking joke! I have no intention of arguing with some keyboard warriors whom I will never hunt with, hike with, drink beer with, or even meet in person. Guess I've turned new leaf.
I also take my daughter hunting with me and have posted her success here. I quit that as well because I cannot stand the judgment that often comes. When it comes to my little girl my tolerance for stupidity is very low. I am not going to listen to somebody berate my child or myself for stupid things like rifle caliber or visible tag in a picture.
This forum can sound a lot like what I imagine a middle school girl locker room is like. DRAMA!!!! Used to be able to come on and ask advice and not get blasted by all the super cool dudes who "did it on their own". I hate when I see that on this site. If somebody wants some help or has a question just freaking help them! Send them the link to the other 623462349786 threads that may exist about the same topic. The HW search engine is not the best and it is possible that they just didn't pop up.
Anyway, I'm back for now. We shall see how long I last this time.
Corey I'm sorry to hear that happened to you and your daughter as well as others. :sry:
We try to watch topics but miss a great deal. We are realizing the extent of this particular issue and want to stop the trash talk, especially in story and photo topics, but we'll need help from everyone, help us by using the "Report to Moderator" button on the right side of any post when you see trash talk. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on August 14, 2017, 01:24:52 PM
I don't post often anymore because of the holier than thou attitude of some. I enjoy the site, people's success, but am reluctant to post a doe, or a spike because it's not the biggest around.
I think we have seen some positive change already. A member recently posted about his August cow elk hunt this month and I didn't see much negativity. I look forward to seeing your future success stories and photos, you should even shgow us what you got last season. If someone trashes your topic please use the "Report to Moderator" button. As soon as we deal with a few trash posts this forum should get even better. :tup:
Post by: Tschaefer72 on August 14, 2017, 02:15:31 PM
Look forward to the fall and the opportunities to hunt and will contribute what i can. thanks.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 14, 2017, 02:58:30 PM
Just wanted to say thank you for those that have helped create this site and for taking the time to ask this question in a continued effort to make it a better experience. I use to live in Walla Walla and would spend much of my recreational time out in the woods and setting up trail cameras. 5.5 a half years ago I moved over to the Bothell/Mill creek area for a job and got married. My availability to be in the woods has drastically changed. I found this forum while looking for ways to stay connected to hunting and the outdoors between the hunting seasons. I love seeing the pictures and stories of people's hunts. I enjoy following the progress from drawn tags, to scouting , to the hunt. It gets me excited for my upcoming opportunities. I am not out in the woods enough to contribute a lot of content but am appreciative of all those that do. I got to buy and sell hunting equipment from members as well as recieve a lot of suggestions on different hunting equipment. i dont read any of the off hunting topic threads as i am just on this site for huntning purposes only. When posting pics of my success (no big animals) I have only had positive interaction and comments.I'll echo the importance of the site in staying connected to hunting when your field time is drastically curtailed. With health problems of my own, and as caregiver for my disabled wife, my field time is less than 10% of what it was 10 years ago, probably less than 1% of what it was 25 years ago. Had it existed 25 years ago, I would not have had time to participate - I was too busy doing.
Look forward to the fall and the opportunities to hunt and will contribute what i can. thanks.
Post by: Machias on August 14, 2017, 03:42:55 PM
Post by: mhbrewster71 on August 14, 2017, 03:51:51 PM
On the other hand, at times I see divisions being formed amongst us through remarks and comments, judgments, and the like. It is disheartening at times to see how divided we can become, when in essence, we share many of the same passions and love for the great out doors, and being able to share it with others.
I don't know PLAT but was particularly disappointed the last time he became so frustrated he logged off and didn't come back for a long while. I looked forward to reading his perspectives and thoughts, and what a valuable asset to have on this forum! Thick skin or not, it can get darned tiresome and at some point throwing one's hand up and saying "I'm done" might be the best option.
A suggestion would be: If we have an issue or a thought about a particular thread, why not PM the OP or the person who made the most recent post who got your dander up, get in contact with them personally, and have a discussion? I've reached out to a couple folks on this Forum through PM when I saw an issue was getting heated or turning south, or when I read something I thought was truly inspirational. It is a tactic I've used and it has so far worked well. Just my twocents:
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Post by: Lowedog on August 14, 2017, 04:15:46 PM
I decided to take a break and stayed away for a long time. I actually think this may be my first post in years. I even didn't hunt much for a few years. My daughters rekindled my hunting desires a few years ago and since then I have been a lurker. I will go long periods of time not checking in and then other times I will pop in and look at the topics to see what is going on.
Things certainly have changed. There isn't nearly as much sharing of pics or stories as there used to be. The shed forum used to be my favorite to check in the spring and this year there wasn't much to see.
I would guess that is because we all became so critical of each other. I think there is also some education that has happened over the years that has caused a lot of us to keep things to ourselves.
Post by: OutHouse on August 14, 2017, 04:47:39 PM
The Native bashing certainly turns decent folks off. I can recall a thread where it got so far that a member said something to the effect that if the government wanted the help, he'd help them re-conquer the tribes. I didn't respond kindly. I think I said this was a B*** S*** thread, and then got called out by a moderator for THAT reason. Not sure if any of the Native bashing even got called out.
I certainly would like to contribute more but sometimes I think to myself "why even put in your two cents if you know it won't be well received". Everything I do or comment on in the Deer Hunting section seems to go well though--More pics of special permit bucks please!!!
Post by: greenhead_killer on August 14, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
Post by: whacker1 on August 14, 2017, 05:21:20 PM
I find with most of the internet hunting forums they get dominated by those that can key stroke the fastest and come across as the loudest and seem like they never leave. :yike: emoji for effect:
I find myself more active hunting, skiing, boating, and more active with family and friends. I find that I have less time and desire to share.
I will say that I finally opted out of the off topics and that may rekindle my desire to participate more.
I think one of the biggest pros to this site is also a con.......pro? we are local to the NW so it is regionally intimate. Con? we are local to the NW and into everyone's space very quickly.
Post by: bigmacc on August 14, 2017, 07:32:23 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 14, 2017, 07:37:39 PM
Post by: bigmacc on August 14, 2017, 07:52:23 PM
Hey, why do these two pennies have Indians on the front of them.....you bet oldtimer.
:chuckle: :chuckle:...we got to meet up one of these days:tup:
Post by: boneaddict on August 14, 2017, 07:54:06 PM
Post by: BoomWhop on August 14, 2017, 09:07:24 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 14, 2017, 09:17:00 PM
Ok so heres the goofy part. (and no, I'm not sippin from a bottle) :chuckle:
Who doesn't want to get extra bonus points in the Quality permits??? (A lot of talk about nit pickin photos to gain points).....Soooo Lets put that mentality towards some good for the site.
Maybe have a "Report To Mod" contest. Make it fun, the winners trophy could be a sticky thread titled, "#1 Foam Finger", passed on from month to month. Of course there is always the chance that a member could abuse this, that could be handled with another trophy thread, maybe with a picture of a donkey at the start of thread. ;)
That should(?) be enough to deter members from false reporting to much, if not 3 Strike rule.
Prolly never work..... just trying to have some fun, that's what we ALL need, Lets have fun and not be so judgmental of each other.
Post by: Swannytheswan on August 14, 2017, 09:20:09 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 14, 2017, 09:29:52 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on August 14, 2017, 09:35:16 PM
Post by: hunter399 on August 14, 2017, 09:38:57 PM
One more goofy thought. As all of this threads responses roll around in my empty head :chuckle: I keep going back to the "Report to Mods" button. This is a way we ALL can help to make the site better, even those who don't post much can get in on this action. Mods cant catch it all but we can help em with that.I think the mods would be pulling there hair out if we have a report to mod contest.
Ok so heres the goofy part. (and no, I'm not sippin from a bottle) :chuckle:
Who doesn't want to get extra bonus points in the Quality permits??? (A lot of talk about nit pickin photos to gain points).....Soooo Lets put that mentality towards some good for the site.
Maybe have a "Report To Mod" contest. Make it fun, the winners trophy could be a sticky thread titled, "#1 Foam Finger", passed on from month to month. Of course there is always the chance that a member could abuse this, that could be handled with another trophy thread, maybe with a picture of a donkey at the start of thread. ;)
That should(?) be enough to deter members from false reporting to much, if not 3 Strike rule.
Prolly never work..... just trying to have some fun, that's what we ALL need, Lets have fun and not be so judgmental of each other.
A lot of the reasoning for getting rid of off topic is tired of babysitting.
Post by: bearpaw on August 14, 2017, 09:54:27 PM
One more goofy thought. As all of this threads responses roll around in my empty head :chuckle: I keep going back to the "Report to Mods" button. This is a way we ALL can help to make the site better, even those who don't post much can get in on this action. Mods cant catch it all but we can help em with that.I think the mods would be pulling there hair out if we have a report to mod contest.
Ok so heres the goofy part. (and no, I'm not sippin from a bottle) :chuckle:
Who doesn't want to get extra bonus points in the Quality permits??? (A lot of talk about nit pickin photos to gain points).....Soooo Lets put that mentality towards some good for the site.
Maybe have a "Report To Mod" contest. Make it fun, the winners trophy could be a sticky thread titled, "#1 Foam Finger", passed on from month to month. Of course there is always the chance that a member could abuse this, that could be handled with another trophy thread, maybe with a picture of a donkey at the start of thread. ;)
That should(?) be enough to deter members from false reporting to much, if not 3 Strike rule.
Prolly never work..... just trying to have some fun, that's what we ALL need, Lets have fun and not be so judgmental of each other.
A lot of the reasoning for getting rid of off topic is tired of babysitting.
:yeah: A contest would overwhelm us, but we definitely need members to report rule violations. :tup:
Post by: BD1 on August 14, 2017, 10:15:08 PM
Post by: runamuk on August 14, 2017, 10:23:25 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 14, 2017, 10:27:04 PM
Lets assume for a minute that we kill OT. Now,every single thread that goes a bit too political is now deleted opposed to moved. OK whatever I don't care, but many on here want a place to debate the news of the day as it relates to huntung, fishing, gun toting, and being a not really liberal. A few just want a platform to thump from and some seem to enjoy stirring the poop by posting ridiculous links yet never sharing an original AL thought. All of that will flood,the other boards and create more moderation forum wide. But at the end of the day it ain't my joint to worry about, not my monkeys not my circus.
Good Point!
Post by: hunter399 on August 14, 2017, 10:57:53 PM
:yeah:Lets assume for a minute that we kill OT. Now,every single thread that goes a bit too political is now deleted opposed to moved. OK whatever I don't care, but many on here want a place to debate the news of the day as it relates to huntung, fishing, gun toting, and being a not really liberal. A few just want a platform to thump from and some seem to enjoy stirring the poop by posting ridiculous links yet never sharing an original AL thought. All of that will flood,the other boards and create more moderation forum wide. But at the end of the day it ain't my joint to worry about, not my monkeys not my circus.
Good Point!
Post by: JL on August 14, 2017, 11:47:51 PM
I found the testicles and sheath thing almost funny, but found it more fitting for a bar/saloon type of atmosphere, personally... I think others would agree, but nobody wants to step up and take the lashing. The poster is a supporter after all. I spend my free time running mountain tops and going deep, work hard for everything. Real hard. I'm sure many of you are more interested in those experiences, but why would I want to share that? This is my real direct take on hunt WA at this time. Really makes me not want to post and forces me to question the general caliber of hunter/sportsmen on here. So wah wah wah, nobody commented on a stupid trail cam photo of a deer and wah wah wah they're talking about deer testicles. Well, sorry, I'd just prefer something with the reversed preference. Call it more tasteful and appropriate too.
Post by: hunter399 on August 15, 2017, 12:19:06 AM
I just viewed a thread with 17 replies of a Mule Deer's C and B's titled "Guess How Big?" A few days before, I had posted reply pics of a 4X4 NE Mule Deer in the 2017 Velvet post in this same deer section, which received no responses? I did this ONLY because people in this thread suggested sharing more. I was encouraged to contribute. I don't know, did I offend someone, share too much, come across as bragging or something? Seriously... not sure?I Guess the first thing is to report to mod,There's lots of topics that kinda get away with stuff , Do you wanna know if bigfoot uses the bathroom,or gender relations of bigfoot it's there.A lot off topics in virtual camp,but mods kinda just keep what they feel is good for the forum,and topics they don't want get sent to the scrub land of the forum of off topics or locked up.
I found the testicles and sheath thing almost funny, but found it more fitting for a bar/saloon type of atmosphere, personally... I think others would agree, but nobody wants to step up and take the lashing. The poster is a supporter after all. I spend my free time running mountain tops and going deep, work hard for everything. Real hard. I'm sure many of you are more interested in those experiences, but why would I want to share that? This is my real direct take on hunt WA at this time. Really makes me not want to post and forces me to question the general caliber of hunter/sportsmen on here. So wah wah wah, nobody commented on a stupid trail cam photo of a deer and wah wah wah they're talking about deer testicles. Well, sorry, I'd just prefer something with the reversed preference. Call it more tasteful and appropriate too.
I can't find your pic so I can comment on it,I love any pics that are from north east washington.
I do agree that topics that are not so family friendly should go to off topics.
Post by: Miles on August 15, 2017, 05:44:21 AM
I want an option where I can block what certain people are posting. Kind of like caller ID. :chuckle:
You can block members, or at least you used to be able to?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on August 15, 2017, 06:12:47 AM
I want an option where I can block what certain people are posting. Kind of like caller ID. :chuckle:
You can block members, or at least you used to be able to?
Still can, just takes a minute to get to the option:
Post by: boneaddict on August 15, 2017, 07:24:08 AM
Post by: jennabug on August 15, 2017, 07:36:47 AM
I appreciate a lot of the comments in this thread and agree with a lot of the lurkers. The negativity and drama have really turned me off.
My perspective is from a new hunter that does not come from a hunting/fishing family. Getting started in this area is overwhelming, frustrating, and financially draining. I looked forward to coming to a place where I could get support for that. But instead, when I come on here to read, I get distracted by the drama and arguments. I get frustrated and disillusioned by people putting each other down and constantly arguing over pointless nonsense. It seems that the folks that have been around here for a while like to write off behavior of other long time members as "the way they are" or that it "just a joke." Classic.
I've tried to pitch in where I can, make suggestions from a new hunter's perspective, but it seems like nothing has changed... not sure if it should. The yearly posts on "how can we make the forum better" seem to go nowhere, people are happy with status quo. Things continue to bump along the same road. In short, I'm a little disillusioned.
I'd ask myself the following... Does the forum want to change, or not? Is it able to accept the fact that no single solution will make everyone happy? What's the purpose of the forum? What's preventing success?
Post by: cboom on August 15, 2017, 09:07:05 AM
I just viewed a thread with 17 replies of a Mule Deer's C and B's titled "Guess How Big?" A few days before, I had posted reply pics of a 4X4 NE Mule Deer in the 2017 Velvet post in this same deer section, which received no responses? I did this ONLY because people in this thread suggested sharing more. I was encouraged to contribute. I don't know, did I offend someone, share too much, come across as bragging or something? Seriously... not sure?
I found the testicles and sheath thing almost funny, but found it more fitting for a bar/saloon type of atmosphere, personally... I think others would agree, but nobody wants to step up and take the lashing. The poster is a supporter after all. I spend my free time running mountain tops and going deep, work hard for everything. Real hard. I'm sure many of you are more interested in those experiences, but why would I want to share that? This is my real direct take on hunt WA at this time. Really makes me not want to post and forces me to question the general caliber of hunter/sportsmen on here. So wah wah wah, nobody commented on a stupid trail cam photo of a deer and wah wah wah they're talking about deer testicles. Well, sorry, I'd just prefer something with the reversed preference. Call it more tasteful and appropriate too.
Several years ago on here you probably wouldn't have seen this. The quality of posts have gone way down hill. The quality posters have mostly left because the type that thinks a pic of a deers sack is funny took over. Sad, this was a sight that a lot of knowledge was passed around. Not so much anymore. .
Post by: pygmy1985 on August 15, 2017, 09:15:12 AM
I'll have to admit, I'm a lurker. I originally joined to voice my opinion on youth and disabled hunting and hoping for more opportunity for those user groups. I've posted a few times since then, and reached out to the group looking for an opportunity for a young man with a heart condition, whom I coach in baseball, to see if the Forum could help him out. I have to tell you, you all were awesome in that regard and PM's were flooding my in box!! I thought to myself "We stick together and take care of our own"!! And in the boys' case, we did and you all helped make his dream come true!!!!I think that last paragraph in particular makes a lot of sense, Mhbrewster71 (hope I got handle right). Just like in the work place, I try to go straight to the source, the person I have issue with. Many times, issue is resolved quickly and the source is not so defensive. However, some people will be hard to deal with , no matter how tactful the approach.
On the other hand, at times I see divisions being formed amongst us through remarks and comments, judgments, and the like. It is disheartening at times to see how divided we can become, when in essence, we share many of the same passions and love for the great out doors, and being able to share it with others.
I don't know PLAT but was particularly disappointed the last time he became so frustrated he logged off and didn't come back for a long while. I looked forward to reading his perspectives and thoughts, and what a valuable asset to have on this forum! Thick skin or not, it can get darned tiresome and at some point throwing one's hand up and saying "I'm done" might be the best option.
A suggestion would be: If we have an issue or a thought about a particular thread, why not PM the OP or the person who made the most recent post who got your dander up, get in contact with them personally, and have a discussion? I've reached out to a couple folks on this Forum through PM when I saw an issue was getting heated or turning south, or when I read something I thought was truly inspirational. It is a tactic I've used and it has so far worked well. Just my twocents:
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Post by: jrebel on August 15, 2017, 09:19:40 AM
I just viewed a thread with 17 replies of a Mule Deer's C and B's titled "Guess How Big?" A few days before, I had posted reply pics of a 4X4 NE Mule Deer in the 2017 Velvet post in this same deer section, which received no responses? I did this ONLY because people in this thread suggested sharing more. I was encouraged to contribute. I don't know, did I offend someone, share too much, come across as bragging or something? Seriously... not sure?
I found the testicles and sheath thing almost funny, but found it more fitting for a bar/saloon type of atmosphere, personally... I think others would agree, but nobody wants to step up and take the lashing. The poster is a supporter after all. I spend my free time running mountain tops and going deep, work hard for everything. Real hard. I'm sure many of you are more interested in those experiences, but why would I want to share that? This is my real direct take on hunt WA at this time. Really makes me not want to post and forces me to question the general caliber of hunter/sportsmen on here. So wah wah wah, nobody commented on a stupid trail cam photo of a deer and wah wah wah they're talking about deer testicles. Well, sorry, I'd just prefer something with the reversed preference. Call it more tasteful and appropriate too.
Several years ago on here you probably wouldn't have seen this. The quality of posts have gone way down hill. The quality posters have mostly left because the type that thinks a pic of a deers sack is funny took over. Sad, this was a sight that a lot of knowledge was passed around. Not so much anymore. .
Says something when more people will post about a deers twig and berries than will post about a picture of a nice buck's head gear.
I personally was not offended by the twig and berry photo and could care less that it was posted. I just think your observation about what post get responses and which ones don't is very valid. :tup:
Post by: treefarmer on August 15, 2017, 10:12:46 AM
Post by: snarkybull on August 15, 2017, 10:15:13 AM
I have learned a lot here, went from an archery noob to borderline 90 percenter. I still look and read all the time, and when i do make my rare posts asking for help have been rewarded by some outstanding people.
I do mostly avoid anything political because i disagree with most. I also try to ignore anything tribal or wdfw related because of my employment. I have never been tempted to go to OT, so am not bothered by that.
Negative comments are an absolute turn off, and I will pretty much never join in a convo that has been threadjacked by that kind of behavior.
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Post by: bearpaw on August 15, 2017, 10:42:57 AM
I just viewed a thread with 17 replies of a Mule Deer's C and B's titled "Guess How Big?" A few days before, I had posted reply pics of a 4X4 NE Mule Deer in the 2017 Velvet post in this same deer section, which received no responses? I did this ONLY because people in this thread suggested sharing more. I was encouraged to contribute. I don't know, did I offend someone, share too much, come across as bragging or something? Seriously... not sure?
I found the testicles and sheath thing almost funny, but found it more fitting for a bar/saloon type of atmosphere, personally... I think others would agree, but nobody wants to step up and take the lashing. The poster is a supporter after all. I spend my free time running mountain tops and going deep, work hard for everything. Real hard. I'm sure many of you are more interested in those experiences, but why would I want to share that? This is my real direct take on hunt WA at this time. Really makes me not want to post and forces me to question the general caliber of hunter/sportsmen on here. So wah wah wah, nobody commented on a stupid trail cam photo of a deer and wah wah wah they're talking about deer testicles. Well, sorry, I'd just prefer something with the reversed preference. Call it more tasteful and appropriate too.
We can't view everything. If you think a topic or comment is off base please use the "Report to Moderator" button on the right side of every post, if members do that it will help with issues, we check all reports, and if we determine it's inappropriate we will act! If you post a link here I will check too.
Some posts don't seem to get comments, it's hard to guess why, happens at some point to some posts by everyone, I certainly wouldn't take it personal. The next thing you post might get a lot more comments?
Post by: Rainier10 on August 15, 2017, 11:09:33 AM
Thanks to everyone who has commented. Ever comment in this thread is being reviewed by the mod team.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 15, 2017, 11:29:52 AM
this forum is continually spiraling downward because all of the members that made this place what it is have moved on because of just a few trolls. It's a private site so I truly believe that there doesn't need to be a reason to ban someone. If they don't add anything to the quality of the place just get rid of them.
I still do not plan on offering much as far as advice and discussion on Topics but I have decided that I am going to share my hunting season this year as it's a pretty good one. WA, CO, WY, lots of ID tags, and my daughter's first hunting season. I believe that if more of us share then it might right the ship a bit. I don't blame any of are major contributors for going other places as I think all of us have gotten pretty burnt out. When you spend a lot of time in the field and you put a lot of animals on the ground it is sometimes difficult to stomach comments from people that you know produce far less in the field than you, or has even never done something or used something and they're trying to tell you that you are wrong and it just gets tiresome. You think you are adding quality information and entertainment but when you get trolled around every corner really makes a guy second guess that and think why bother. I need to be part of the solution though and by leaving that's not what I'm doing. If I get trolled a bunch like I did last year then I think all hope is lost and I'll just move on.
Dale, Josh, Doug, and some of the other mods have done an amazing job for all of us and they deserve better from their community. This place has been a major influence in my life and some of my very best friends to this day I have met only because of this forum. I guess what I'm trying to say is as much as you guys piss me off I might post a picture to this year
Post by: jackelope on August 15, 2017, 11:34:22 AM
Post by: Buckmark on August 15, 2017, 11:39:50 AM
On the topic of some posts don't get replies I am absolutely amazed and happy with all the posts and ideas that have been made in this thread. I don't know how many, "what can we do to make the forum better?" threads I have seen over the years and this one has to be one of the best ones yet with responses that we can use to make this place better.Didn't we do this back in Feb :dunno: , seems alot of the same suggestions are still being suggested, so did anything change from back then?
Thanks to everyone who has commented. Ever comment in this thread is being reviewed by the mod team.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,208980.0.html
I have been a member since Oct 2008, and it has changed alot which is normal but not all of the change has been good. Lots of members have either left or just became silent for whatever reason and i have noticed that alot of the members that did post quality content have also scaled down posting as much.... Some of us just don't post much which like in my case is our personality.
Sometimes change has to start at the top or within its ranks, there is a Mod that should maybe not be a Mod anymore but has been one for so long they just remain one.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 15, 2017, 11:45:51 AM
I've been thinking on this topic a lot lately ever since coach posted that he was tired of the garbage and hanging it up. I pretty much hung it up after my elk hunt last year. We had an amazing deer season with multiple bucks over 180 inches. I didn't share any of it and some of those hunts were pretty Epic. After my elk hunt last year I received the message from a certain member and basically accused me of using a rifle instead of my bow. I dumped so much Blood Sweat and Tears into that hunt made me sad more than mad that there are people in this world that think like that.
this forum is continually spiraling downward because all of the members that made this place what it is have moved on because of just a few trolls. It's a private site so I truly believe that there doesn't need to be a reason to ban someone. If they don't add anything to the quality of the place just get rid of them.
I still do not plan on offering much as far as advice and discussion on Topics but I have decided that I am going to share my hunting season this year as it's a pretty good one. WA, CO, WY, lots of ID tags, and my daughter's first hunting season. I believe that if more of us share then it might right the ship a bit. I don't blame any of are major contributors for going other places as I think all of us have gotten pretty burnt out. When you spend a lot of time in the field and you put a lot of animals on the ground it is sometimes difficult to stomach comments from people that you know produce far less in the field than you, or has even never done something or used something and they're trying to tell you that you are wrong and it just gets tiresome. You think you are adding quality information and entertainment but when you get trolled around every corner really makes a guy second guess that and think why bother. I need to be part of the solution though and by leaving that's not what I'm doing. If I get trolled a bunch like I did last year then I think all hope is lost and I'll just move on.
Dale, Josh, Doug, and some of the other mods have done an amazing job for all of us and they deserve better from their community. This place has been a major influence in my life and some of my very best friends to this day I have met only because of this forum. I guess what I'm trying to say is as much as you guys piss me off I might post a picture to this year
Glad to hear it. If anyone does that in PM again let one of us know. We are going to do our best to make sure stuff like that does not happen and will deal with stuff like what happened to you. I know its hard with 100 good comments and a 1-2 bad just sours it. We are going to do our best to take those out and now with the rule change make sure its not a common thing. I had one of the best seasons of my life last year and shared very very little as well. I still helped a ton of guys and sent a lot of pms and still love the site but I have had some pretty lame stuff like what you had happen, happen to me to. I get that is sucks but there is a ton of people that love to see stories like yours and mine and you are 100% right. You not posting only hurts the good guys that really want to see it and is happy for your success. I have pretty thick skin but I know after awhile it starts to bother anyone.
I hope a few more of the good guys come back and we can see some awesome critters hit the dirt this year. Even if they are just does spikes and cows like I shoot :chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 15, 2017, 11:51:40 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 15, 2017, 12:12:10 PM
Post by: JKEEN33 on August 15, 2017, 12:17:56 PM
I've been thinking on this topic a lot lately ever since coach posted that he was tired of the garbage and hanging it up. I pretty much hung it up after my elk hunt last year. We had an amazing deer season with multiple bucks over 180 inches. I didn't share any of it and some of those hunts were pretty Epic. After my elk hunt last year I received the message from a certain member and basically accused me of using a rifle instead of my bow. I dumped so much Blood Sweat and Tears into that hunt made me sad more than mad that there are people in this world that think like that.
this forum is continually spiraling downward because all of the members that made this place what it is have moved on because of just a few trolls. It's a private site so I truly believe that there doesn't need to be a reason to ban someone. If they don't add anything to the quality of the place just get rid of them.
I still do not plan on offering much as far as advice and discussion on Topics but I have decided that I am going to share my hunting season this year as it's a pretty good one. WA, CO, WY, lots of ID tags, and my daughter's first hunting season. I believe that if more of us share then it might right the ship a bit. I don't blame any of are major contributors for going other places as I think all of us have gotten pretty burnt out. When you spend a lot of time in the field and you put a lot of animals on the ground it is sometimes difficult to stomach comments from people that you know produce far less in the field than you, or has even never done something or used something and they're trying to tell you that you are wrong and it just gets tiresome. You think you are adding quality information and entertainment but when you get trolled around every corner really makes a guy second guess that and think why bother. I need to be part of the solution though and by leaving that's not what I'm doing. If I get trolled a bunch like I did last year then I think all hope is lost and I'll just move on.
Dale, Josh, Doug, and some of the other mods have done an amazing job for all of us and they deserve better from their community. This place has been a major influence in my life and some of my very best friends to this day I have met only because of this forum. I guess what I'm trying to say is as much as you guys piss me off I might post a picture to this year
Your elk hunt post last year was an excellent thread. I followed the full thing. I liked the prep, shopping, packing etc. You covered a lot of material that those who don't know could use. I even purchased a jet boil, mountain house meals and a long handled spoon after reading it. Hope to see more posts like that.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 15, 2017, 12:28:10 PM
that's all you will see from me for now just more of it. I will try and get all of my information and knowledge into my Harvest thread that way hopefully I can keep down the arguing. It's very hard for me to bite my tongue when I see blatantly bad information or advice given. I will just keep my season positive and as much information flowing as I can muster and if we all just did a little more of that this place may not be as active but the content would be a higher quality.I've been thinking on this topic a lot lately ever since coach posted that he was tired of the garbage and hanging it up. I pretty much hung it up after my elk hunt last year. We had an amazing deer season with multiple bucks over 180 inches. I didn't share any of it and some of those hunts were pretty Epic. After my elk hunt last year I received the message from a certain member and basically accused me of using a rifle instead of my bow. I dumped so much Blood Sweat and Tears into that hunt made me sad more than mad that there are people in this world that think like that.
this forum is continually spiraling downward because all of the members that made this place what it is have moved on because of just a few trolls. It's a private site so I truly believe that there doesn't need to be a reason to ban someone. If they don't add anything to the quality of the place just get rid of them.
I still do not plan on offering much as far as advice and discussion on Topics but I have decided that I am going to share my hunting season this year as it's a pretty good one. WA, CO, WY, lots of ID tags, and my daughter's first hunting season. I believe that if more of us share then it might right the ship a bit. I don't blame any of are major contributors for going other places as I think all of us have gotten pretty burnt out. When you spend a lot of time in the field and you put a lot of animals on the ground it is sometimes difficult to stomach comments from people that you know produce far less in the field than you, or has even never done something or used something and they're trying to tell you that you are wrong and it just gets tiresome. You think you are adding quality information and entertainment but when you get trolled around every corner really makes a guy second guess that and think why bother. I need to be part of the solution though and by leaving that's not what I'm doing. If I get trolled a bunch like I did last year then I think all hope is lost and I'll just move on.
Dale, Josh, Doug, and some of the other mods have done an amazing job for all of us and they deserve better from their community. This place has been a major influence in my life and some of my very best friends to this day I have met only because of this forum. I guess what I'm trying to say is as much as you guys piss me off I might post a picture to this year
Your elk hunt post last year was an excellent thread. I followed the full thing. I liked the prep, shopping, packing etc. You covered a lot of material that those who don't know could use. I even purchased a jet boil, mountain house meals and a long handled spoon after reading it. Hope to see more posts like that.
I agree with many others that this is a hunting and fishing website and if you want to talk about other garbage go somewhere else. If it is political but pertains to hunting and fishing then we have an outdoor advocacy board and that's where that stuff belongs. I don't participate in off topics but the kind of people that are heavy over there do nothing for the rest of the board. Like I've said before I think they need to stroke that ban hammer about half a dozen times and this place would greatly improve.
Post by: grundy53 on August 15, 2017, 12:30:48 PM
I agree. I loved that thread. It was great following it. Plus, the fact that you dedicated the hunt to your brother was icing on the cake. I don't know why anyone would want to trash on that hunt. Must take a different breed of human...I've been thinking on this topic a lot lately ever since coach posted that he was tired of the garbage and hanging it up. I pretty much hung it up after my elk hunt last year. We had an amazing deer season with multiple bucks over 180 inches. I didn't share any of it and some of those hunts were pretty Epic. After my elk hunt last year I received the message from a certain member and basically accused me of using a rifle instead of my bow. I dumped so much Blood Sweat and Tears into that hunt made me sad more than mad that there are people in this world that think like that.
this forum is continually spiraling downward because all of the members that made this place what it is have moved on because of just a few trolls. It's a private site so I truly believe that there doesn't need to be a reason to ban someone. If they don't add anything to the quality of the place just get rid of them.
I still do not plan on offering much as far as advice and discussion on Topics but I have decided that I am going to share my hunting season this year as it's a pretty good one. WA, CO, WY, lots of ID tags, and my daughter's first hunting season. I believe that if more of us share then it might right the ship a bit. I don't blame any of are major contributors for going other places as I think all of us have gotten pretty burnt out. When you spend a lot of time in the field and you put a lot of animals on the ground it is sometimes difficult to stomach comments from people that you know produce far less in the field than you, or has even never done something or used something and they're trying to tell you that you are wrong and it just gets tiresome. You think you are adding quality information and entertainment but when you get trolled around every corner really makes a guy second guess that and think why bother. I need to be part of the solution though and by leaving that's not what I'm doing. If I get trolled a bunch like I did last year then I think all hope is lost and I'll just move on.
Dale, Josh, Doug, and some of the other mods have done an amazing job for all of us and they deserve better from their community. This place has been a major influence in my life and some of my very best friends to this day I have met only because of this forum. I guess what I'm trying to say is as much as you guys piss me off I might post a picture to this year
Your elk hunt post last year was an excellent thread. I followed the full thing. I liked the prep, shopping, packing etc. You covered a lot of material that those who don't know could use. I even purchased a jet boil, mountain house meals and a long handled spoon after reading it. Hope to see more posts like that.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 15, 2017, 12:32:44 PM
I saw it in one of these pages but the blame was insinuated on the younger Generations but a lot of what I see on here is coming from guys that are much older than us. I'd actually like to see the average age of our hunt while members maybe somebody could start a poll...sorry tapatalk guys :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 15, 2017, 12:36:05 PM
Post by: grundy53 on August 15, 2017, 12:41:03 PM
100% agree Grundy! I have no idea what compels someone to make a claim like that. Like I said I didn't even get mad about it it was more saddening. I did not reply and I just deleted it. I'm done losing sleep stressing about things did have no bearing on my life. That person is so insignificant to me that it should never be given a second thought. I need to be more like my grandfather and my father and less like a millennial. Arguing with people on the internet is not the way to do that. I'll just let some pictures do my talking and if people want to hate on that then I don't know what else to do to right the shipWell said.
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Post by: bearpaw on August 15, 2017, 01:01:30 PM
There will still be off-topics, but everyone will have to opt in again, otherwise you won't see any unrelated topics and boards. It will be a personal choice to opt in to see those boards and topics, otherwise all you will see are outdoor related boards.
More than anything let's all have fun sharing stories and photos and please remember to be respectful of each other, that includes newcomers who are asking questions trying to learn.
THANKS,
Dale
Post by: JKEEN33 on August 15, 2017, 01:42:23 PM
We are revamping the site, outdoor topics will be the focus, you will see some changes in the categories, boards, and rules! Everyone will be expected to talk to others as they would like to be talked to. Bashing and trashing topics needs to end. But we need members to use the "Report to Moderator" button when they see trash talk so we can review it and clean it up if needed. The moderators don't see every post, we need member help!
There will still be off-topics, but everyone will have to opt in again, otherwise you won't see any unrelated topics and boards. It will be a personal choice to opt in to see those boards and topics, otherwise all you will see are outdoor related boards.
More than anything let's all have fun sharing stories and photos and please remember to be respectful of each other, that includes newcomers who are asking questions trying to learn.
THANKS,
Dale
I like what I'm seeing already. I'm the first to admit it's easy to get sucked in and participate with the negative bs and then be angry at myself for getting involved. Don't like it and don't need it in my already stressful life.
Post by: wannabhntr on August 15, 2017, 01:52:05 PM
I have never been a big "poster" anyway, but I did enjoy reading everyone's success stories and seeing photos. I tried to help out and give advice or locations to hunt when I could. I rarely come around any more.
Hopefully what you guys are doing will make a difference and you can make this the great forum that it used to be.
Post by: JKEEN33 on August 15, 2017, 01:57:29 PM
Thanks for doing this guys. I posted something along these lines about six years ago and for the most part I was told if didn't like then leave. I feel confidant that if I had 12376 posts under my name that the reply's would have been a little more positive but not much.
I have never been a big "poster" anyway, but I did enjoy reading everyone's success stories and seeing photos. I tried to help out and give advice or locations to hunt when I could. I rarely come around any more.
Hopefully what you guys are doing will make a difference and you can make this the great forum that it used to be.
I can say post count didn't matter. I went through the same thing and was told I could delete the profile after deleting all my posts. After about 2 months of deleting several thousand posts I got tired of that and gave up. :)
Post by: bearpaw on August 15, 2017, 02:01:42 PM
Post by: Kittman on August 15, 2017, 03:01:33 PM
Post by: Bigapplediams73 on August 15, 2017, 03:37:06 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 15, 2017, 03:57:42 PM
I am fairly new to the site and haven't been able to figure out how to post pics or stories from my Android . Thinking of asking pianoman next time I see him in person. Tried to post my story of my trip up to swift channel last Saturday and couldn't figure it out. Only let's me respond to what other members post. Also because it's intimidating how some members bust your butt on your post sometimes. For instance the bigfoot post. I'm am very interested on the subject and wish people who arnt would keep it to themselves instead of ridiculing and making fun of those who are on any subject. I feel it's more of finding friends who share common interests and thoughts more then debating and justifying everything about onself. This is just my :twocents: worth. Other then that it's a great site. I have learned a lot since I joined
Look for the button on the top right in the board that says "New Topic". :tup:
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 15, 2017, 04:48:33 PM
I am fairly new to the site and haven't been able to figure out how to post pics or stories from my Android . Thinking of asking pianoman next time I see him in person. Tried to post my story of my trip up to swift channel last Saturday and couldn't figure it out. Only let's me respond to what other members post. Also because it's intimidating how some members bust your butt on your post sometimes. For instance the bigfoot post. I'm am very interested on the subject and wish people who arnt would keep it to themselves instead of ridiculing and making fun of those who are on any subject. I feel it's more of finding friends who share common interests and thoughts more then debating and justifying everything about onself. This is just my :twocents: worth. Other then that it's a great site. I have learned a lot since I joined
P-man, is a good source for assistance. :tup:
As far as the Bigfoot thread, it has been around for many years and yea, we'd apprecite any info you can contribute. It does seem at times that we dont take it serious but we do. :tup:
We have developed a bit of humor over the years as a way for us that have kept it alive to remain. To understand it you'd have to read it from the beginning.
Don't hesitate to ask with questions in the BF thread or anywhere on here. :tup:
Post by: GBoyd on August 15, 2017, 05:48:35 PM
I understand that you want to avoid profanity, but I don't consider that word profane when talking about animal droppings. And I can't bring myself to say poop. If my departed grandmother were here and holding my little three year old nephew, I would still call it bear *censored*. That's just the best word we have for it, not profanity.
Post by: bearpaw on August 15, 2017, 05:52:48 PM
Post by: runamuk on August 15, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
What Plat says, many of us in that thread are friends and have had adventures together. For all the goofing around there are those who love hearing people's tales. I work with people who live and work in remote places, you hear some incredible things. So please do jump in if you have some interesting Bigfoot stories.I am fairly new to the site and haven't been able to figure out how to post pics or stories from my Android . Thinking of asking pianoman next time I see him in person. Tried to post my story of my trip up to swift channel last Saturday and couldn't figure it out. Only let's me respond to what other members post. Also because it's intimidating how some members bust your butt on your post sometimes. For instance the bigfoot post. I'm am very interested on the subject and wish people who arnt would keep it to themselves instead of ridiculing and making fun of those who are on any subject. I feel it's more of finding friends who share common interests and thoughts more then debating and justifying everything about onself. This is just my :twocents: worth. Other then that it's a great site. I have learned a lot since I joined
P-man, is a good source for assistance. :tup:
As far as the Bigfoot thread, it has been around for many years and yea, we'd apprecite any info you can contribute. It does seem at times that we dont take it serious but we do. :tup:
We have developed a bit of humor over the years as a way for us that have kept it alive to remain. To understand it you'd have to read it from the beginning.
Don't hesitate to ask with questions in the BF thread or anywhere on here. :tup:
Post by: Shawn Ryan on August 15, 2017, 06:49:39 PM
Post by: Alchase on August 15, 2017, 06:52:50 PM
My :twocents:: Anonymity doesn't work well. I use my real name on every forum to check myself; as self-regulation, to keep me in-line. Requiring real names in profiles might discourage some bad behavior. Keep "cool" handles/avatars, but have real names in users' profiles. I have no instance where using my real name compromised my privacy. For me, personal responsibility is more important than the privacy of using a screen name.
Wow!
Personnel accountability, what an outstanding concept!
You Sir are a rarity :tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 15, 2017, 06:56:58 PM
My :twocents:: Anonymity doesn't work well. I use my real name on every forum to check myself; as self-regulation, to keep me in-line. Requiring real names in profiles might discourage some bad behavior. Keep "cool" handles/avatars, but have real names in users' profiles. I have no instance where using my real name compromised my privacy. For me, personal responsibility is more important than the privacy of using a screen name.wish I could change my username to my real name. Made an account because my brother insisted. Had no intention of participating so just threw something up. Can they be changed?
Post by: Alchase on August 15, 2017, 07:01:58 PM
I just wanted to say that every interaction I have had with any of the Mods on this sight, they have gone out of their way to be helpful, and tolerant.
Though that KF Hunter guy brutalized me a week or two ago for some trivial rule or something....... :rolleyes:
Just kidding,
I pulled a big piece of stupid and posted a word that I did not realize was a banned word, no excuse, I was at fault.
KF Hunter was straight to the point (as a Mod should be) in a Private Message and politely let me know how I broke the rules.
Keep up the great work :tup:
Post by: cboom on August 15, 2017, 08:48:07 PM
I've been thinking on this topic a lot lately ever since coach posted that he was tired of the garbage and hanging it up. I pretty much hung it up after my elk hunt last year. We had an amazing deer season with multiple bucks over 180 inches. I didn't share any of it and some of those hunts were pretty Epic. After my elk hunt last year I received the message from a certain member and basically accused me of using a rifle instead of my bow. I dumped so much Blood Sweat and Tears into that hunt made me sad more than mad that there are people in this world that think like that.
this forum is continually spiraling downward because all of the members that made this place what it is have moved on because of just a few trolls. It's a private site so I truly believe that there doesn't need to be a reason to ban someone. If they don't add anything to the quality of the place just get rid of them.
I still do not plan on offering much as far as advice and discussion on Topics but I have decided that I am going to share my hunting season this year as it's a pretty good one. WA, CO, WY, lots of ID tags, and my daughter's first hunting season. I believe that if more of us share then it might right the ship a bit. I don't blame any of are major contributors for going other places as I think all of us have gotten pretty burnt out. When you spend a lot of time in the field and you put a lot of animals on the ground it is sometimes difficult to stomach comments from people that you know produce far less in the field than you, or has even never done something or used something and they're trying to tell you that you are wrong and it just gets tiresome. You think you are adding quality information and entertainment but when you get trolled around every corner really makes a guy second guess that and think why bother. I need to be part of the solution though and by leaving that's not what I'm doing. If I get trolled a bunch like I did last year then I think all hope is lost and I'll just move on.
Dale, Josh, Doug, and some of the other mods have done an amazing job for all of us and they deserve better from their community. This place has been a major influence in my life and some of my very best friends to this day I have met only because of this forum. I guess what I'm trying to say is as much as you guys piss me off I might post a picture to this year
After reading this I realized I haven't seen you post much in a long time. I mentioned earlier in this thread many of the quality posters have left. You are definitely one of them that fit in the quality description. Always enjoyed reading your hunting stories. And you always seemed to have very intelligent comments on technical/equipment subjects.
Post by: cboom on August 15, 2017, 08:58:06 PM
I just viewed a thread with 17 replies of a Mule Deer's C and B's titled "Guess How Big?" A few days before, I had posted reply pics of a 4X4 NE Mule Deer in the 2017 Velvet post in this same deer section, which received no responses? I did this ONLY because people in this thread suggested sharing more. I was encouraged to contribute. I don't know, did I offend someone, share too much, come across as bragging or something? Seriously... not sure?
I found the testicles and sheath thing almost funny, but found it more fitting for a bar/saloon type of atmosphere, personally... I think others would agree, but nobody wants to step up and take the lashing. The poster is a supporter after all. I spend my free time running mountain tops and going deep, work hard for everything. Real hard. I'm sure many of you are more interested in those experiences, but why would I want to share that? This is my real direct take on hunt WA at this time. Really makes me not want to post and forces me to question the general caliber of hunter/sportsmen on here. So wah wah wah, nobody commented on a stupid trail cam photo of a deer and wah wah wah they're talking about deer testicles. Well, sorry, I'd just prefer something with the reversed preference. Call it more tasteful and appropriate too.
Several years ago on here you probably wouldn't have seen this. The quality of posts have gone way down hill. The quality posters have mostly left because the type that thinks a pic of a deers sack is funny took over. Sad, this was a sight that a lot of knowledge was passed around. Not so much anymore. .
Says something when more people will post about a deers twig and berries than will post about a picture of a nice buck's head gear.
I personally was not offended by the twig and berry photo and could care less that it was posted. I just think your observation about what post get responses and which ones don't is very valid. :tup:
I wasn't a bit offended by it either. I'm a guy that loves to joke around and laugh. Just didn't find much humor in a ding a ling pic. And was surprised how many responses it got......
Post by: cboom on August 15, 2017, 09:28:36 PM
I like many now it seems am not to interested in posting pics the whole world can see. So I have and idea/suggestion, might be a dumb one?! How about creating a new section called the success or harvest section where a mod needs to approve access to members. And for a member to be approved they need to submit a pic of a harvest. Wouldnt have to be a trophy, could be a duck, rabbit, or squirrel for that matter. From what I have read on here for the most part those trying to be the Internet game wardens are not the ones that post pics themselves. People that are comfortable posting pics on other sections still could. Just might be a way to create a place to make some comfortable posting pics that wouldn't otherwise. I realize you probably are not looking to create more sections, but maybe eliminate or combine one or more of the less used ones? Just a thought.......
Post by: boneaddict on August 15, 2017, 09:31:28 PM
Post by: hunter399 on August 15, 2017, 09:37:39 PM
Bearpaw or other mods, some time back I let people get under my skin and found myself becoming part of the problem here. I decided it was time I moved on. Went back and deleted most of my posts and all of my pics. I have mostly lurked since.Don't feel bad I have went back and deleted my posts before and put emoji where my posts where took me a few hours once to go back over a month's posts.
I like many now it seems am not to interested in posting pics the whole world can see. So I have and idea/suggestion, might be a dumb one?! How about creating a new section called the success or harvest section where a mod needs to approve access to members. And for a member to be approved they need to submit a pic of a harvest. Wouldnt have to be a trophy, could be a duck, rabbit, or squirrel for that matter. From what I have read on here for the most part those trying to be the Internet game wardens are not the ones that post pics themselves. People that are comfortable posting pics on other sections still could. Just might be a way to create a place to make some comfortable posting pics that wouldn't otherwise. I realize you probably are not looking to create more sections, but maybe eliminate or combine one or more of the less used ones? Just a thought.......
Post by: cboom on August 15, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
Hmmmmmm. 🤔
And what I meant by submit a pic was submit a post post with a pic. Could even be a fish. Should be inclusive enough that anyone could find a pic to join. But only open to those that are willing to post their mugs.
Post by: geauxtigers on August 15, 2017, 09:51:10 PM
From posting more is that I get the feeling people want to keep "their spots" or GMUs private. That's understandable, but aren't we here to learn and help? I try to be courteous if I come across others in the field, but I feel like if I ask questions about regions or GMUs I'd just get a lot of responses telling me to go out and do my own scouting or nobody speaking up as they think everything should be a secret
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Post by: cboom on August 15, 2017, 09:59:19 PM
I've posted a few general hunting questions, and tried to share some things that others might find interesting. That being said, the one thing that keeps me
From posting more is that I get the feeling people want to keep "their spots" or GMUs private. That's understandable, but aren't we here to learn and help? I try to be courteous if I come across others in the field, but I feel like if I ask questions about regions or GMUs I'd just get a lot of responses telling me to go out and do my own scouting or nobody speaking up as they think everything should be a secret
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I think the biggest thing that bothers people is when a guy draws a good permit and joins the forum asking where to go. I like many others have spent decades and hundreds upon hundreds of miles on foot and horse finding my favorite spots in the gmu's I hunt. I won't and have no problem with others not giving advice on specific locations to strangers on the Internet. But am more than willing to give advice on hunting tactics and tactics for how to look for good areas.
Post by: DaveMonti on August 15, 2017, 10:16:29 PM
Bearpaw or other mods, some time back I let people get under my skin and found myself becoming part of the problem here. I decided it was time I moved on. Went back and deleted most of my posts and all of my pics. I have mostly lurked since.
I've been and still am in the same boat. I've let myself become part of the problem in responding to others antagonizing and rude comments. I'm not proud and decided it just isn't worth my time to log in and be part of the negativity. I do hope the changes make a difference and the forum becomes a friendlier, outdoors focused place for good people to come together.
As for me, time will tell if I get back into posting or becoming a regular user. Good luck going forward.
Post by: RB on August 15, 2017, 10:28:33 PM
I don't get out much so really enjoy the stories and photos, but when a thread turns bad it makes it hard to read through. The plus is when a guys reads through the bologna and finds the pearls in the comments or links that make it worthwhile!
:twocents:
Post by: hunter399 on August 15, 2017, 10:31:41 PM
Bearpaw or other mods, some time back I let people get under my skin and found myself becoming part of the problem here. I decided it was time I moved on. Went back and deleted most of my posts and all of my pics. I have mostly lurked since.
I've been and still am in the same boat. I've let myself become part of the problem in responding to others antagonizing and rude comments. I'm not proud and decided it just isn't worth my time to log in and be part of the negativity. I do hope the changes make a difference and the forum becomes a friendlier, outdoors focused place for good people to come together.
As for me, time will tell if I get back into posting or becoming a regular user. Good luck going forward.
I also think I have been part of a problem member,you get internet polices,then you think you should call everybody out on anything , and you find yourself doing to other members the same thing that made you mad a week ago.
Been trying to be more respectful past few days,but then I find myself saying should I post .For fear of the ban 🔨,.or just lurking more.
Post by: Sundance on August 15, 2017, 11:43:13 PM
Post by: cboom on August 16, 2017, 12:12:04 AM
Trash talkers and nit pickers killed it for me. Pulled all my hunts, pictures and longer posts on hunting strategies down. Took a huge step back from social media and just hunted for myself and kept the pictures and stories within a small group of friends. Came back to sell some stuff a few weeks ago and thought "same crap, just getting worse". I'd like to say I'd come back and share hunts, pics and stories again, but I just don't know if I would. I will be curious to see where this all leads to, best of luck to the Mods, you are extremely selfless people who don't get enough recognition.
You were another one of the good guys that added a lot to this place over the years. Miss seeing your posts and pics as well.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on August 16, 2017, 09:07:16 AM
My :twocents:: Anonymity doesn't work well. I use my real name on every forum to check myself; as self-regulation, to keep me in-line. Requiring real names in profiles might discourage some bad behavior. Keep "cool" handles/avatars, but have real names in users' profiles. I have no instance where using my real name compromised my privacy. For me, personal responsibility is more important than the privacy of using a screen name.
Wow!
Personnel accountability, what an outstanding concept!
You Sir are a rarity :tup:
Thanks.
Post by: bearpaw on August 16, 2017, 09:15:17 AM
My :twocents:: Anonymity doesn't work well. I use my real name on every forum to check myself; as self-regulation, to keep me in-line. Requiring real names in profiles might discourage some bad behavior. Keep "cool" handles/avatars, but have real names in users' profiles. I have no instance where using my real name compromised my privacy. For me, personal responsibility is more important than the privacy of using a screen name.
Wow!
Personnel accountability, what an outstanding concept!
You Sir are a rarity :tup:
Thanks.
I agree, a person should not have to hide behind a screen name and it probably facilitates some members saying things they might not otherwise say. However, unfortunately, we live in a society, especially those in urban western WA where if it was known that a person was an active hunter it could hurt their professional position. I'm in total agreement that the forum would be a better place if users names were their real names. But the forum cannot require real names due to the issues it could cause in the work place for some members.
Thanks for being an upstanding member! :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on August 16, 2017, 09:22:33 AM
My :twocents:: Anonymity doesn't work well. I use my real name on every forum to check myself; as self-regulation, to keep me in-line. Requiring real names in profiles might discourage some bad behavior. Keep "cool" handles/avatars, but have real names in users' profiles. I have no instance where using my real name compromised my privacy. For me, personal responsibility is more important than the privacy of using a screen name.wish I could change my username to my real name. Made an account because my brother insisted. Had no intention of participating so just threw something up. Can they be changed?
It has been forum policy to not change names in most cases. One of the main reasons is other members get used to seeing a screen name and if everyone changes names all the time nobody will know each other. However, I like the idea of members being allowed to change to their real name, I will discuss this with the mod team and let everyone know what we decide! :tup:
Post by: Bigapplediams73 on August 16, 2017, 11:30:04 AM
Post by: bearpaw on August 16, 2017, 01:51:32 PM
My :twocents:: Anonymity doesn't work well. I use my real name on every forum to check myself; as self-regulation, to keep me in-line. Requiring real names in profiles might discourage some bad behavior. Keep "cool" handles/avatars, but have real names in users' profiles. I have no instance where using my real name compromised my privacy. For me, personal responsibility is more important than the privacy of using a screen name.wish I could change my username to my real name. Made an account because my brother insisted. Had no intention of participating so just threw something up. Can they be changed?
It has been forum policy to not change names in most cases. One of the main reasons is other members get used to seeing a screen name and if everyone changes names all the time nobody will know each other. However, I like the idea of members being allowed to change to their real name, I will discuss this with the mod team and let everyone know what we decide! :tup:
Thanks to the suggestion from Shawn Ryan and BLRman, the moderator team is in agreement to allow members to change their username to their real name! Other members wanting to do the same can ask a moderator to do that for them. Other types of name changes will not be done.
BLRman is changed to Karl Blanchard
Post by: boneaddict on August 16, 2017, 01:59:22 PM
Post by: FWilliams on August 16, 2017, 01:59:35 PM
Fred
Post by: boneaddict on August 16, 2017, 02:02:44 PM
(eventhough I hate change, this one is good)
Post by: luvmystang67 on August 16, 2017, 02:19:43 PM
It was really fun when I found a group of people like me who hunted the same place. Few hunting shows talk about hunting blacktail, or roosevelts, or the best way to get to Stehekin to hunt mule deer. We are a relatively unique place. Its not like we're hunting whitetail like everyone in middle America. I also like building stuff, looking at trail camera pictures, trading information on special permit hunts. I like to HUNT.
So many posts on here are political beyond the scope of hunting or outdoors. Heck even threads like this where we focus on trying to get better... honestly feels like work or a bad relationship. Those things aren't fun. Talking about where to look for bears is fun.
I miss the days where people weren't afraid to post about hunting. Their spots, their special permits, sharing their photos and trophies. I think a large part of the issue is that so much of it is open to the internet public. I WISH I could share what I know about Upper Smith Creek with this year's drawing recipient, but I don't want to post it up to the web, I want it here to people who have also given back. I now post much less as I get less out of it. Maybe the people I enjoy just post less too. I don't really care if people are mean, but I do care if that means people don't post.
I just wish we could limit the audience to some of our details so that people weren't as afraid to share. I have asked friends before posting "do you see any stupid illegal things in this pic" before posting. I don't do illegal things, but I do take great care to make sure its right before it comes up. HOWEVER, as long as our information is public, it reflects on the hunting community, so its not terrible to remind people if you see something mildly incorrect about a photo or post, but a PM is probably the appropriate place to do that.
Okay, rant over. Maybe I just know more now. I don't post on FB anymore either because most people that post there annoy me and I don't want to be like them.
Post by: bearpaw on August 16, 2017, 02:26:38 PM
I didn't take the time to read all of these, but I post on here a lot less than I used to. It has nothing to do with attacks, but more to do with content.
It was really fun when I found a group of people like me who hunted the same place. Few hunting shows talk about hunting blacktail, or roosevelts, or the best way to get to Stehekin to hunt mule deer. We are a relatively unique place. Its not like we're hunting whitetail like everyone in middle America. I also like building stuff, looking at trail camera pictures, trading information on special permit hunts. I like to HUNT.
So many posts on here are political beyond the scope of hunting or outdoors. Heck even threads like this where we focus on trying to get better... honestly feels like work or a bad relationship. Those things aren't fun. Talking about where to look for bears is fun.
I miss the days where people weren't afraid to post about hunting. Their spots, their special permits, sharing their photos and trophies. I think a large part of the issue is that so much of it is open to the internet public. I WISH I could share what I know about Upper Smith Creek with this year's drawing recipient, but I don't want to post it up to the web, I want it here to people who have also given back. I now post much less as I get less out of it. Maybe the people I enjoy just post less too. I don't really care if people are mean, but I do care if that means people don't post.
I just wish we could limit the audience to some of our details so that people weren't as afraid to share. I have asked friends before posting "do you see any stupid illegal things in this pic" before posting. I don't do illegal things, but I do take great care to make sure its right before it comes up. HOWEVER, as long as our information is public, it reflects on the hunting community, so its not terrible to remind people if you see something mildly incorrect about a photo or post, but a PM is probably the appropriate place to do that.
Okay, rant over. Maybe I just know more now. I don't post on FB anymore either because most people that post there annoy me and I don't want to be like them.
We are reading all suggestions and will take your ideas into consideration. :tup:
Post by: Hemlock on August 16, 2017, 03:38:08 PM
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Why won't you post?
I'm sure I can think of a dozen answers. We are really trying to improve this place. I'd love to hear from you why you don't post. Maybe you used to, maybe you never have. Even those of you who never do, I'd love to hear why. It's not meant to argue or to pursuad, just trying to hear your reason. Simple sentence will do.
Its better to be quiet and be thought of a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 16, 2017, 03:48:40 PM
Maybe a small suggestion to people that are going to do this though keep your avatar picture the same for a while until people Reef familiarize themselves with your name. I know when I'm skimming I catch Avatar pictures as easily as I do screen names. Will just help people to recognize you if they don't know your name.
Post by: JLS on August 16, 2017, 03:54:07 PM
Tired of negative bashing.
Tired of conspiracy theories.
Tired of lack of civility in a disagreement.
Tired of native bashing.
Tired of apathy towards conservation, and tired of apathetic attitudes towards the image we portray to non hunters.
Tired of people ripping new members for their posts.
Like Jonathan, I rarely log in anymore. I happened to get a PM notification and was responding to it when I saw this thread.
Thank you for soliciting the input. Changing a culture is never easy, and sometimes it's just easier to go somewhere else.
Post by: Woodchuck on August 16, 2017, 03:58:10 PM
Hmmm.Rest assured, changing the culture is the mission. Any help from veteran members is also highly appreciated. :tup:
Tired of negative bashing.
Tired of conspiracy theories.
Tired of lack of civility in a disagreement.
Tired of native bashing.
Tired of apathy towards conservation, and tired of apathetic attitudes towards the image we portray to non hunters.
Tired of people ripping new members for their posts.
Like Jonathan, I rarely log in anymore. I happened to get a PM notification and was responding to it when I saw this thread.
Thank you for soliciting the input. Changing a culture is never easy, and sometimes it's just easier to go somewhere else.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 16, 2017, 04:03:43 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 16, 2017, 04:15:48 PM
I'm optimistic about the new direction. On a positive note, I looked at my ignore list for the first time in years, and it is empty, which I take to mean the members I put there are no longer members. So, even without the current and future improvements, the worst offenders do get sent down the road. It was a very small list, probably only 2-3 total, but the benefits of not seeing their posts made the forum SO much better.
I think that's a big part of it, ignoring the worst people until they get themselves banned permanently. For a long time I disliked the idea of blocking people because that seems like an immature way to deal with problems but then when I reconsidered the idea that many people only exist on here to create waves, I'll change that opinion. Still good to see them nuked because their presence affects the big picture negatively.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 16, 2017, 04:23:23 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 16, 2017, 04:43:04 PM
Post by: RB on August 16, 2017, 09:27:39 PM
We have nuked two today already. Its not a bragging thing, just a point that the crud has to stop, and we aren't going to argue about it. Negotiations are over.....
:tup:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 17, 2017, 05:27:03 AM
We have nuked two today already. Its not a bragging thing, just a point that the crud has to stop, and we aren't going to argue about it. Negotiations are over.....Sounds like it
Post by: E35alex on August 17, 2017, 07:25:04 AM
I received no useful info in the public part. There were a few members that sent pm's which I am greatful for. Good info and I met good people.
Like a lot of members already said: bashing, put downs, low blows, etc
Harvested my first and only animal last year (a doe) and didnt even want to post here... :dunno:
Hope to see the changes! Thanks!
Post by: bearmanric on August 17, 2017, 07:54:17 AM
Sorry I here that a lot. Rick
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Post by: Ddouble on August 17, 2017, 08:46:00 AM
Post by: Elkcollector82 on August 17, 2017, 08:47:22 AM
So I'm a newish hunter (3rd year). Was from a Non-hunter background. As green as they come. Found this forum. Asked a few questions. After the 4th question, I only lurk now. :sry:
I received no useful info in the public part. There were a few members that sent pm's which I am greatful for. Good info and I met good people.
Like a lot of members already said: bashing, put downs, low blows, etc
Harvested my first and only animal last year (a doe) and didnt even want to post here... :dunno:
Hope to see the changes! Thanks!
Change is coming and change is made.
HUNTWA TRAIN COMING THROUGH!!!!!
Post the picture of your first animal. Love to see it. :tup:
Post by: CoryTDF on August 17, 2017, 08:57:46 AM
My :twocents:: Anonymity doesn't work well. I use my real name on every forum to check myself; as self-regulation, to keep me in-line. Requiring real names in profiles might discourage some bad behavior. Keep "cool" handles/avatars, but have real names in users' profiles. I have no instance where using my real name compromised my privacy. For me, personal responsibility is more important than the privacy of using a screen name.
Some of us work in places where we don't want ou full name out there. IT could be dangerous to our family or ourselves if people know exactly who we were and could just google us on a forum . I for one would not want some of my previous clientele finding my full name on HW and then using it for devious means.
Not that my name is not out there in the world and easy to track down. I just would not want to to be out there or any more than is necessary. :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:
Wow!
Personnel accountability, what an outstanding concept!
You Sir are a rarity :tup:
Thanks.
I agree, a person should not have to hide behind a screen name and it probably facilitates some members saying things they might not otherwise say. However, unfortunately, we live in a society, especially those in urban western WA where if it was known that a person was an active hunter it could hurt their professional position. I'm in total agreement that the forum would be a better place if users names were their real names. But the forum cannot require real names due to the issues it could cause in the work place for some members.
Thanks for being an upstanding member! :tup:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on August 17, 2017, 09:26:59 AM
We have nuked two today already. Its not a bragging thing, just a point that the crud has to stop, and we aren't going to argue about it. Negotiations are over.....:tup: I get the not bragging thing, but given the diversity of viewpoints of the mods, at a minimum I recommend nuking anyone anytime there is a consensus among the mods. Some of the names of folks who have left are painful to see, and I think it's far better to terminate the trolls who geek out on spinning fecal matter for no good purpose.
Post by: huntnphool on August 17, 2017, 09:31:31 AM
We have nuked two today already. Its not a bragging thing, just a point that the crud has to stop, and we aren't going to argue about it. Negotiations are over.....I think it's far better to terminate the trolls who geek out on spinning fecal matter for no good purpose.
:chuckle:
Post by: Alchase on August 17, 2017, 10:01:14 AM
I would wake up some morning and before my first cup of coffee, I would nuke 1,2, or 100 just because :dunno:
Post by: hunter399 on August 17, 2017, 10:34:35 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on August 17, 2017, 11:01:55 AM
Not trying to get exclusive, just want to make sure people are roughly giving some as they take some.
Post by: jackelope on August 17, 2017, 11:03:45 AM
This is why I could never be a Mod,
I would wake up some morning and before my first cup of coffee, I would nuke 1,2, or 100 just because :dunno:
The struggle is real.
Post by: hunter399 on August 17, 2017, 11:06:01 AM
I guess I'd like to see a place (forum section) where you had to make a certain number of posts (not off topic posts) to gain access. It would help ensure that outsiders don't see some of your secret data. It might be a safe place to offer advice on special hunts or areas when people felt like it was pertinent. I don't mind sharing tips about a special hunt spot with a small group of interested applicants as long as I receive some help in return, but I don't really want to share it on the general net for someone to google search.Why not just use the pm option.
Not trying to get exclusive, just want to make sure people are roughly giving some as they take some.
Post by: luvmystang67 on August 17, 2017, 11:31:46 AM
I guess I'd like to see a place (forum section) where you had to make a certain number of posts (not off topic posts) to gain access. It would help ensure that outsiders don't see some of your secret data. It might be a safe place to offer advice on special hunts or areas when people felt like it was pertinent. I don't mind sharing tips about a special hunt spot with a small group of interested applicants as long as I receive some help in return, but I don't really want to share it on the general net for someone to google search.Why not just use the pm option.
Not trying to get exclusive, just want to make sure people are roughly giving some as they take some.
Yeah, its always an option, and I do. Its sometimes just fun to browse and gain knowledge where you didn't expect.
Post by: bearpaw on August 17, 2017, 11:35:35 AM
Let me add:
This is my own personal reasoning, each of the mods may have different reasoning, but we are all together on making this a better place!
Post by: Elkcollector82 on August 17, 2017, 11:38:56 AM
I don't want to point fingers at anyone on the forum or who has left, I simply want to make this a better place for everyone. It would be painting with a wide brush to think all who have left are the "good ones" as some posts seem to suggest. I think plenty of the "good ones" have stayed and still participate and enjoy the forum. My efforts are meant to benefit everyone who wants to enjoy this forum and to eliminate the negative atmosphere that turns off most of the members. I'm not going to the effort for any particular group, this is for the benefit of everyone who wants to participate. :twocents:
:tup:
Post by: Russ McDonald on August 17, 2017, 11:41:44 AM
I would have to agree with the PM option. You may have a new person come onto the forum but has a wealth of knowledge from hunting many years and hunting tons of animals. They just didn't know about the forum or just moved here from somewhere else. What we are trying to accomplish is the same rules for everyone across the forum whether they are new members or veterans. We don't want to have different rules for different hunters. :tup:I guess I'd like to see a place (forum section) where you had to make a certain number of posts (not off topic posts) to gain access. It would help ensure that outsiders don't see some of your secret data. It might be a safe place to offer advice on special hunts or areas when people felt like it was pertinent. I don't mind sharing tips about a special hunt spot with a small group of interested applicants as long as I receive some help in return, but I don't really want to share it on the general net for someone to google search.Why not just use the pm option.
Not trying to get exclusive, just want to make sure people are roughly giving some as they take some.
Post by: jackelope on August 17, 2017, 11:50:16 AM
I would have to agree with the PM option. You may have a new person come onto the forum but has a wealth of knowledge from hunting many years and hunting tons of animals. They just didn't know about the forum or just moved here from somewhere else. What we are trying to accomplish is the same rules for everyone across the forum whether they are new members or veterans. We don't want to have different rules for different hunters. :tup:I guess I'd like to see a place (forum section) where you had to make a certain number of posts (not off topic posts) to gain access. It would help ensure that outsiders don't see some of your secret data. It might be a safe place to offer advice on special hunts or areas when people felt like it was pertinent. I don't mind sharing tips about a special hunt spot with a small group of interested applicants as long as I receive some help in return, but I don't really want to share it on the general net for someone to google search.Why not just use the pm option.
Not trying to get exclusive, just want to make sure people are roughly giving some as they take some.
And you might have a new guy come on to the forum who's never hunted before and doesn't have anyone to look to for information and advice. That's also what we're here for.
Post by: Machias on August 17, 2017, 12:21:02 PM
My :twocents:: Anonymity doesn't work well. I use my real name on every forum to check myself; as self-regulation, to keep me in-line. Requiring real names in profiles might discourage some bad behavior. Keep "cool" handles/avatars, but have real names in users' profiles. I have no instance where using my real name compromised my privacy. For me, personal responsibility is more important than the privacy of using a screen name.wish I could change my username to my real name. Made an account because my brother insisted. Had no intention of participating so just threw something up. Can they be changed?
I see yours has already been changed, but you could also just include it in your signature instead of changing your Username....just a thought and an option for some folks!
Post by: luvmystang67 on August 17, 2017, 12:30:03 PM
I would have to agree with the PM option. You may have a new person come onto the forum but has a wealth of knowledge from hunting many years and hunting tons of animals. They just didn't know about the forum or just moved here from somewhere else. What we are trying to accomplish is the same rules for everyone across the forum whether they are new members or veterans. We don't want to have different rules for different hunters. :tup:I guess I'd like to see a place (forum section) where you had to make a certain number of posts (not off topic posts) to gain access. It would help ensure that outsiders don't see some of your secret data. It might be a safe place to offer advice on special hunts or areas when people felt like it was pertinent. I don't mind sharing tips about a special hunt spot with a small group of interested applicants as long as I receive some help in return, but I don't really want to share it on the general net for someone to google search.
Not trying to get exclusive, just want to make sure people are roughly giving some as they take some.
I guess my point is there is stuff I do share and would continue to share that I know the whole internet can see. I would offer a different level of information for a group of known like-minded participants. I would say that currently that information I have to share is not available anywhere because I'm afraid of it being used out of context. My suggestion would be that a different space would have NEW information that people currently are afraid to share. I wouldn't suggest taking existing levels of information away. Does that make sense? Regardless, just a thought.
Why not just use the pm option.
And you might have a new guy come on to the forum who's never hunted before and doesn't have anyone to look to for information and advice. That's also what we're here for.
Post by: ReformedVeg on August 17, 2017, 01:05:27 PM
I've been here much less in the last few years now that I have a better idea what I'm doing. I've also learned that if I don't ask a question then I'm forced to think and figure it out myself. That feels good. We all have a ton of info available to us through the internet, but its still nice to sometimes shun that option, struggle to find your own path, sometimes succeed, often fail, but ultimately learn what works for you.
Lots of good people and knowledge on this forum. It's not perfect, but perfection is not needed.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 17, 2017, 01:22:06 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 17, 2017, 01:28:33 PM
I'm not sure if heavy moderation is going to encourage new members or bring back the "good guys" in fact it could very well do the opposite :dunno: Hunters need diverse opinions to be heard instead of the "my way or the highway approach" :twocents: Not sure if this is the right path, but only time will tell.
There's a huge difference between differing opinions and trolling.
We've already seen a lot of people reengaging the forum just based on the idea that the leadership is implementing :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on August 17, 2017, 01:33:31 PM
I'm not sure if heavy moderation is going to encourage new members or bring back the "good guys" in fact it could very well do the opposite :dunno: Hunters need diverse opinions to be heard instead of the "my way or the highway approach" :twocents: Not sure if this is the right path, but only time will tell.
We understand that some members do not want any moderation, some members want more moderation, and if I remember correctly according to the poll last spring the majority of members thought were were moderating about right. The problem is that negativity of all types has worsened, more and more members are saying this, so we are tightening adherence to the rules. We are resolute in bringing more civility back to the forum and anyone taking a stand as if to test our resolution will be disappointed.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 17, 2017, 01:34:56 PM
I'm not sure if heavy moderation is going to encourage new members or bring back the "good guys" in fact it could very well do the opposite :dunno: Hunters need diverse opinions to be heard instead of the "my way or the highway approach" :twocents: Not sure if this is the right path, but only time will tell.
There's a huge difference between differing opinions and trolling.
We've already seen a lot of people reengaging the forum just based on the idea that the leadership is implementing :tup:
Not sure if there is a huge difference. Seems here these days anyone with a different opinion is labeled a troll when they go against the majority.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 17, 2017, 01:40:03 PM
I'm not sure if heavy moderation is going to encourage new members or bring back the "good guys" in fact it could very well do the opposite :dunno: Hunters need diverse opinions to be heard instead of the "my way or the highway approach" :twocents: Not sure if this is the right path, but only time will tell.
We understand that some members do not want any moderation, some members want more moderation, and if I remember correctly according to the poll last spring the majority of members thought were were moderating about right. The problem is that negativity of all types has worsened, more and more members are saying this, so we are tightening adherence to the rules. We are resolute in bringing more civility back to the forum and anyone taking a stand as if to test our resolution will be disappointed.
Then nuke the trouble makers then. But just make sure that is what they are and not someone with a different opinion.
And most of the mod gods here are pretty good guys, but there is a % that need banning too. I would fix this site if I was on the mod squad jk :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on August 17, 2017, 01:54:03 PM
I'm not sure if heavy moderation is going to encourage new members or bring back the "good guys" in fact it could very well do the opposite :dunno: Hunters need diverse opinions to be heard instead of the "my way or the highway approach" :twocents: Not sure if this is the right path, but only time will tell.
We understand that some members do not want any moderation, some members want more moderation, and if I remember correctly according to the poll last spring the majority of members thought were were moderating about right. The problem is that negativity of all types has worsened, more and more members are saying this, so we are tightening adherence to the rules. We are resolute in bringing more civility back to the forum and anyone taking a stand as if to test our resolution will be disappointed.
Then nuke the trouble makers then. But just make sure that is what they are and not someone with a different opinion.
And most of the mod gods here are pretty good guys, but there is a % that need banning too. I would fix this site if I was on the mod squad jk :chuckle:
Everyone has a different opinion of good guys and bad guys, I don't think that's good criteria. Criteria for a ban should be based on breaking forum rules, creating drama, bashing other members, or bashing this forum. Mods can do an immediate ban when they see the need, but every ban is reviewed by the mod team, if any ban is not approved by the team it is lifted. We are very happy that members are offering their thoughts, we are reading every comment. THANKS AGAIN
Post by: huntnphool on August 17, 2017, 02:48:32 PM
I'm not sure if heavy moderation is going to encourage new members or bring back the "good guys" in fact it could very well do the opposite :dunno: Hunters need diverse opinions to be heard instead of the "my way or the highway approach" :twocents: Not sure if this is the right path, but only time will tell.
We understand that some members do not want any moderation, some members want more moderation, and if I remember correctly according to the poll last spring the majority of members thought were were moderating about right. The problem is that negativity of all types has worsened, more and more members are saying this, so we are tightening adherence to the rules. We are resolute in bringing more civility back to the forum and anyone taking a stand as if to test our resolution will be disappointed.
Then nuke the trouble makers then. But just make sure that is what they are and not someone with a different opinion.
And most of the mod gods here are pretty good guys, but there is a % that need banning too. I would fix this site if I was on the mod squad jk :chuckle:
Everyone has a different opinion of good guys and bad guys, I don't think that's good criteria. Criteria for a ban should be based on breaking forum rules, creating drama, bashing other members, or bashing this forum. Mods can do an immediate ban when they see the need, but every ban is reviewed by the mod team, if any ban is not approved by the team it is lifted. We are very happy that members are offering their thoughts, we are reading every comment. THANKS AGAIN
Breaking forum rules, bashing members or the forum, are generally clear cut offenses, however "creating drama" is subjective, sometimes presumptive, which at times is confused with "differing of opinion"...........I think that's what he is getting at. ;)
Post by: bearpaw on August 17, 2017, 02:53:51 PM
I'm not sure if heavy moderation is going to encourage new members or bring back the "good guys" in fact it could very well do the opposite :dunno: Hunters need diverse opinions to be heard instead of the "my way or the highway approach" :twocents: Not sure if this is the right path, but only time will tell.
We understand that some members do not want any moderation, some members want more moderation, and if I remember correctly according to the poll last spring the majority of members thought were were moderating about right. The problem is that negativity of all types has worsened, more and more members are saying this, so we are tightening adherence to the rules. We are resolute in bringing more civility back to the forum and anyone taking a stand as if to test our resolution will be disappointed.
Then nuke the trouble makers then. But just make sure that is what they are and not someone with a different opinion.
And most of the mod gods here are pretty good guys, but there is a % that need banning too. I would fix this site if I was on the mod squad jk :chuckle:
Everyone has a different opinion of good guys and bad guys, I don't think that's good criteria. Criteria for a ban should be based on breaking forum rules, creating drama, bashing other members, or bashing this forum. Mods can do an immediate ban when they see the need, but every ban is reviewed by the mod team, if any ban is not approved by the team it is lifted. We are very happy that members are offering their thoughts, we are reading every comment. THANKS AGAIN
Breaking forum rules, bashing members or the forum, are generally clear cut offenses, however "creating drama" is subjective, sometimes presumptive, which at times is confused with "differing of opinion"...........I think that's what he is getting at. ;)
I will certainly consider that. :tup:
Post by: JakeLand on August 17, 2017, 05:09:16 PM
Hope everyone has a great season!
Jake Landis
Post by: jackelope on August 17, 2017, 05:14:24 PM
Am I the only one that enjoys the forum ? Sure there is definitely some pissing matches at times. That stuff happens :dunno: I help out anyone I can trapping hunting or just information.
Hope everyone has a great season!
Jake Landis
Nope, you're not. Thanks for your participation!
Post by: JKEEN33 on August 17, 2017, 05:21:46 PM
I started hunting about 10 years ago, and didn't know much about anything. I came here mostly to learn and I did, though I didn't have much to contribute. Using the search tool and doing lost of reading in old threads gave me most of what I needed. I rarely felt the need to post questions since most of my questions had already been asked (many times) in prior years.
I've been here much less in the last few years now that I have a better idea what I'm doing. I've also learned that if I don't ask a question then I'm forced to think and figure it out myself. That feels good. We all have a ton of info available to us through the internet, but its still nice to sometimes shun that option, struggle to find your own path, sometimes succeed, often fail, but ultimately learn what works for you.
Lots of good people and knowledge on this forum. It's not perfect, but perfection is not needed.
There is no book or internet site that is going to teach you more than time spent in the field.
Post by: Fishnfowler on August 17, 2017, 08:51:37 PM
Post by: cboom on August 17, 2017, 09:12:24 PM
I guess I'd like to see a place (forum section) where you had to make a certain number of posts (not off topic posts) to gain access. It would help ensure that outsiders don't see some of your secret data. It might be a safe place to offer advice on special hunts or areas when people felt like it was pertinent. I don't mind sharing tips about a special hunt spot with a small group of interested applicants as long as I receive some help in return, but I don't really want to share it on the general net for someone to google search.
Not trying to get exclusive, just want to make sure people are roughly giving some as they take some.
Your theory is sound. But but I don't think post count should be much of a consideration. There may be a person that has been on for years and has a very low post count. But the posts they made have been quality and helpful ones. On the other hand there could be a person that has been on for a very short time that makes all kinds of useless posts on a daily basis. And racks up a large post count in a very short time.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 17, 2017, 09:19:51 PM
I'm totally confident if I ask for help or advice, I'll get it. When I didn't have that confidence it was from my own insecurities.
I've seen some "overdoing it" from mods, but honestly I would rather have this forum a little more regulated than not. When my kids start using the internet I would love for them to have a safer hunting space to learn on (when they aren't with me).
Keep up the great work!
....now back to that kifaru site.....
Post by: cboom on August 17, 2017, 09:30:26 PM
I don't want to point fingers at anyone on the forum or who has left, I simply want to make this a better place for everyone. It would be painting with a wide brush to think all who have left are the "good ones" as some posts seem to suggest. I think plenty of the "good ones" have stayed and still participate and enjoy the forum. My efforts are meant to benefit everyone who wants to enjoy this forum and to eliminate the negative atmosphere that turns off most of the members. I'm not going to the effort for any particular group, this is for the benefit of everyone who wants to participate. :twocents:
Let me add:
This is my own personal reasoning, each of the mods may have different reasoning, but we are all together on making this a better place!
I know I have made comments about some of the good guys leaving. But there are definitely many of them that are still here. I think the direction you are heading now will be very good for your forum.
And another thing that will help is when animals start hitting the ground here real soon and there are stories to be told!
I would love it if you thought a bit about the suggestion I made earlier in this thread. Create a board where harvest pics could be posted. I think the way to do it would be is to only gain access once a person has submitted a post of a harvest with themselves in it. Could be anything from a fish, duck, to a monster buck. I know I would feel much better posting pics in a place anyone in the world couldnt see.
Post by: bearpaw on August 18, 2017, 07:53:59 AM
I don't want to point fingers at anyone on the forum or who has left, I simply want to make this a better place for everyone. It would be painting with a wide brush to think all who have left are the "good ones" as some posts seem to suggest. I think plenty of the "good ones" have stayed and still participate and enjoy the forum. My efforts are meant to benefit everyone who wants to enjoy this forum and to eliminate the negative atmosphere that turns off most of the members. I'm not going to the effort for any particular group, this is for the benefit of everyone who wants to participate. :twocents:
Let me add:
This is my own personal reasoning, each of the mods may have different reasoning, but we are all together on making this a better place!
I know I have made comments about some of the good guys leaving. But there are definitely many of them that are still here. I think the direction you are heading now will be very good for your forum.
And another thing that will help is when animals start hitting the ground here real soon and there are stories to be told!
I would love it if you thought a bit about the suggestion I made earlier in this thread. Create a board where harvest pics could be posted. I think the way to do it would be is to only gain access once a person has submitted a post of a harvest with themselves in it. Could be anything from a fish, duck, to a monster buck. I know I would feel much better posting pics in a place anyone in the world couldnt see.
I've read every post in this topic. I have given some thought to having additional areas that only members can see. There are good reasons for and against either of those ideas. I will give it more thought and discuss with the mod team. Right now we are focused on administering the new policies to make this forum a better place.
Post by: Matth on August 18, 2017, 09:18:34 AM
Hmmm.Spot on. I just want hop on and enjoy the photos, and stories of hard earned harvests. I would also like to contribute a bit more, but as previously stated, i watch new members make there first couple of posts, and instantly get flamed, so i shy away from being more involved. I posted a few pics years ago of a couple 130ish blacktail bucks that my dad and i had harvested 100% above board, and got questions about hunters orange, and tags even though the photo was clearly taken on the tailgate of my truck in my driveway. So now i just don't give anyone any ammo to fight with.
Tired of negative bashing.
Tired of conspiracy theories.
Tired of lack of civility in a disagreement.
Tired of native bashing.
Tired of apathy towards conservation, and tired of apathetic attitudes towards the image we portray to non hunters.
Tired of people ripping new members for their posts.
Like Jonathan, I rarely log in anymore. I happened to get a PM notification and was responding to it when I saw this thread.
Thank you for soliciting the input. Changing a culture is never easy, and sometimes it's just easier to go somewhere else.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on August 19, 2017, 11:10:24 PM
Post by: Turner89 on August 20, 2017, 06:27:53 AM
This is the first time in a very long time, that all the topics are about fishing, and hunting. That's refreshing. I'm sure I could have blocked the off topics board , but its Kind of like a car wreck....cant not look.
It's different than when I started, but nothing rarely stays the same.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 20, 2017, 08:29:04 AM
:tup:
Post by: elkonastick on August 20, 2017, 07:28:43 PM
Post by: jackelope on August 20, 2017, 07:55:33 PM
I quit after a high post member spread false rumors about me and others that had some success in an area he believed was his. also had another member give a detailed description of my pickup and the area i came out of with a big elk shed. he meant no harm and seemed to have just been excited at what he saw but it caught drama when i asked for it to be removed and it flooded the area with people. i do get a ton of great information and enjoy seeing peoples success. have had nothing but great encounters with deals made in the classified ads. i especially enjoy the wisdom shared by members with much more experience i.e. sabotloader. dude is a muzzleloader wizard and I have learned a ton from his posts. 2 posts today though. first in years maybe we will give this another go.
Please do! Thanks for coming back!
Post by: JM on August 21, 2017, 08:23:02 AM
Post by: gaddy on August 21, 2017, 03:18:36 PM
The reason that I don't reply to many posts is that I just don't feel educated enough on the subject. I'll sit back and try to learn. And I can't type fast enough to respond before several others have, and at that point the focus has changed.
I love to tell of past adventures and do it often at camp, not sure it warrants a new thread though.
Perhaps an old guy story thread ? I am sure some have some whoopers about past hunts. Something where long arms didn't exist, there were no gps or range finders, trees in the distance were used as measurement tools and antlers were as wide as you could stretch your arms. ( remember that there were no cameras then ) That could be fun.
This site needs to focus on having fun in the outdoors. Isn't that what we all strive for? We all enjoy the outdoors, try to help others when we can and try to be good stewards of the land. Enjoy what this site has to offer :twocents: :twocents:
Post by: bearpaw on August 21, 2017, 05:09:12 PM
Left default topics (off and even campfire) off seems like a good ol hunting site now!!!
:tup:
I read all the comments and thought about many of those comments and how we could make the site just and outdoor site without taking away from those who like the additional subject matter. The best way seemed to be to rearrange the site so that it's just hunting, fishing, and trapping unless you want to see and opt into the other topics/boards. Thanks for the comment, I'm glad the changes have pleased some of the members. :tup:
Post by: Elkcollector82 on August 21, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
Left default topics (off and even campfire) off seems like a good ol hunting site now!!!
:tup:
I read all the comments and thought about many of those comments and how we could make the site just and outdoor site without taking away from those who like the additional subject matter. The best way seemed to be to rearrange the site so that it's just hunting, fishing, and trapping unless you want to see and opt into the other topics/boards. Thanks for the comment, I'm glad the changes have pleased some of the members. :tup:
Changes are great. Atmosphere is good and the stories and pictures are rolling in. Keep up the good work. :tup:
Post by: Mark Brenckle on August 21, 2017, 06:50:50 PM
:yeah: I really like the new emphasis and the new layout.Left default topics (off and even campfire) off seems like a good ol hunting site now!!!
:tup:
I read all the comments and thought about many of those comments and how we could make the site just and outdoor site without taking away from those who like the additional subject matter. The best way seemed to be to rearrange the site so that it's just hunting, fishing, and trapping unless you want to see and opt into the other topics/boards. Thanks for the comment, I'm glad the changes have pleased some of the members. :tup:
Changes are great. Atmosphere is good and the stories and pictures are rolling in. Keep up the good work. :tup:
Post by: Rainier10 on August 21, 2017, 07:34:26 PM
After I signed up for OT and VC so I could keep an eye on everything to do the moderator thing it had a different feel. I will say that I am really impressed with the tone in those not exactly hunting specific topics.
I hope that it lasts and I hope most like the changes. I know that the mod team is going to work to keep this going.
Post by: O. hemionus on August 21, 2017, 08:59:53 PM
I hesitate to say this, but the second reason I have gradually spent less and less time on here, is, quite frankly, because I have been disheartened and disappointed. I'm not trying to snub my nose at folks or tout the holier-than-thou attitude, but I have honestly become disappointed at the attitude of several folks on here, including the attitude of some of the more esteemed members. We are all hunters and identify as such - but equally important as our sense of identity as hunters is our role as conservationists. Flag me as a hippie liberal environmental wacko or whatever, but the anti-predator sentiment around here is pretty deflating and disheartening. I love hunting deer and elk as much as the next guy, and I think everyone is entitled to express their opinion and freedom of speech. But as conservationists, I honestly don't understand why we assign higher intrinsic value to some species and love to hate other species that are equally important to ecosystem function. I'm not going to get on my soapbox, but I just wish many of the members on here would stop and remember our role in wildlife management and our role as stewards here before rekindling a coup on predators. I apologize if this is straying off the topic - just my :twocents: as to why I have been less inclined to post on here lately.
Post by: Rainpaddle on August 22, 2017, 05:21:33 PM
I lost a lot of skill. I had trouble finding a decent unit. My buddy and I got sick of the crowds in Modern and we switched to Muzzle. Finally after 4 years I cow called a bull to within 40 yards, the wind swirls and he's out of there. I will never forget that scream before he busted me.
So, we've put in some scouting effort, getting the skills back where we don't sound like Century Link on Sunday going across a hill. I'm in no position to be offering advice, though.
I will say this: This is a very informative site. I log in as much as I can and utilize some very good information from some solid hunters and huntresses. Thank you.
As far as the negativity, it doesn't bother me much. Some of the kayaking websites would make you blush. Nor have I attracted enough attention around here to get any. That said, I understand the need to keep a firm stand on keeping as much of that out as possible.
Thanks again for a great site and I hope to meet some of you.
Post by: Bigapplediams73 on August 23, 2017, 08:17:53 AM
Post by: Okanagan on August 23, 2017, 09:38:15 AM
I'm disappointed at how critical a fair number of posters are, but not surprised since that is the trend most internet forums drift toward, with a few jerks dominating or trying to. Here, there is a spirit of assuming negatives about those who post rather than assuming positives until shown otherwise. :dunno:
Good for the mods for trying to improve things. I think I like the Off Topics ghetto because I never go there and won't have to wade through that debris to read hunting and fishing tales and topics. ;)
Expecting that someone will parse my words for any possible fault forces me to think more and edit more rather than make a casual comment/post and then clear up any misunderstandings in a light hearted way if needed. That makes it more like work and I don't like the feeling of having to watch my back in a place where I came to relax, enjoy stories from other hunters and swap some myself. Just my perception, and why I don't post a lot.
I don't care what those whom I've ID'd as wannabe critics think. I'm not threatened by those who disagree with me or have preferences other than mine. Go for it, Bro, and I'd politely request the same courtesy, though don't really expect that on an internet forum any more. Some people are insecure enough to feel threatened when someone disagrees with them. All of these human foibles emerge on HuntWA. I have a life outside of the internet and do a lot of things outdoors that I don't post about. It does not feel seemly to live my life on the 'net. I don't need an ignore button to ignore those who live to criticize, trolls, and those who are boringly predictable.
Kind of a ramble but this site is good enough to give feedback when the mods ask for the perception of fringe people, which I consider myself.
Post by: boneaddict on August 23, 2017, 09:42:22 AM
Post by: runamuk on August 23, 2017, 10:33:40 AM
Can we get a like and dislike button? The more likes someone has the more we can tell of that persons contributions to this site. Then we can see who gets to see all those cool pics and read the members only tips.
Actually what usually happens is you end up with a few popular people who get all the likes and that are not always the best role models to look up to.
I have made friends here I see quite a few awesome pics that never make it online during hunting season. I made friends by being active in the topics that interest me. I have met a bunch of huntwa members, have gone on some incredibly fun hunts with quite a few as well.
I do support a like feature because often I have zero time to reply or sketchy Internet service but really did like what someone said.
Post by: SnakeEyes on August 23, 2017, 02:39:28 PM
Post by: hambone on August 23, 2017, 09:29:07 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 24, 2017, 05:36:54 AM
Post by: dfresh96 on August 24, 2017, 08:53:45 AM
It seems that for a time there was a group/crew/gang of members who would attack anything with a negative POV which may have encouraged others to gang up & post negative comments when they normally wouldnt...It seems native bashing & finger pointing was encouraged for a time or Ive grown immune to it...
I have had some great encounters with members when buying & selling gear...
I dont mind hearing/reading others thoughts on daily life as we need to have that to possibly open up our minds...
I really enjoy the pics & stories that is shared...most of the time Im late to the party like on this...
Thanks to those making it happen behind the scenes...
Post by: jasnt on August 24, 2017, 10:19:34 AM
Post by: bearpaw on September 03, 2017, 09:05:26 AM
Post by: DaveMonti on September 03, 2017, 09:52:51 AM
I want to thank everyone who commented, we listened, I hope the forum changes have provided an improvement in the H-W experience for most members.
Thanks Dale,
The level of hostility seems to be dramatically reduced. Thanks for making this a friendlier forum!
Dave
Post by: Eli346 on September 04, 2017, 02:18:18 PM
Post by: fishnfur on September 07, 2017, 12:55:27 AM
I think that the many members that posted so far have summed up pretty well what the negative issues are regarding lack of participation and loss of esteemed members. Positive changes have been instituted and only time will tell if morale improves. If nothing else, this thread served as an important outlet for members to vent their frustrations, which I believe is very therapeutic a positive step in the right direction.
Personally, I joined the forum to learn more about hunting Blacktails. The negativity and arguing, just for the sake of arguing never bothered me. It is (or was) much worse on the Oregon forum I used to follow. Seems to be just the way life is these days. For me, it is so very easy to close a negative thread and move on to some other topic that I rarely get caught in the quagmire. I tried not to step on toes too often, (though I think I completely broke a few of Bone Addict's toes last season - sorry again!), and I try to accept the fact that someone is probably going to disagree with my opinion before I post - that way I get less irritated when it actually happens.
Sadly, many of the members that left the forum over the last few years were the ones who actually took the time to try to teach less experienced hunters. I've read and re-read many of the archived/old posts for more information to the point that I rarely ever search for information there anymore. Once the opportunity to learn something worthwhile here stopped, my desire to spend a lot of time here waned as well. In past hunting seasons and off-seasons, I attempted to start threads or ask questions in order to stimulate conversation and perhaps create a little learning opportunity for those interested in my topics. Many times, I'd get only a smattering of responses, sometimes none at all. Often, the threads would go sideways without ever even discussing the topic at hand. I've pretty much given up on that pursuit. These days, I hit the deer hunting section, sometimes look at trail cam pics, read and send a few PMs to my buddies, and spend a few minutes posting to threads going completely ignored by others, just so that the OP feels like he/she at least got a response to their query.
My biggest recommendation for improving this forum, especially for those trying to learn hunting skills and tactics, would be to have a beginners sticky thread in each of the hunting sections (elk, deer, bear, waterfowl, etc. ) where members could post ideas and techniques that they believe are important to learn in order for a beginner to be successful. A lot of this information is already available and could be copy/pasted easily. Additional information could be added over time as questions arise. Eventually, a single sticky thread for each major game species might just become a great resource of knowledge for neophytes and reduce the amount of repetition of the typical questions we all see frequently. If we are successful in teaching someone to hunt well, they will likely be a hunter for life and become an advocate for hunting. If we choose not to try, many will just move on to some other activity. Time in the woods is hugely important in learning to hunt, but if we can reduce the amount of time required to learn basic skills, then everyone benefits.
1:00 AM - better get some sleep.
Post by: Special T on September 07, 2017, 09:58:20 AM
I read the entire thread in a single sitting then walked away for a few hours to give it some thought. That didn't help.
I think that the many members that posted so far have summed up pretty well what the negative issues are regarding lack of participation and loss of esteemed members. Positive changes have been instituted and only time will tell if morale improves. If nothing else, this thread served as an important outlet for members to vent their frustrations, which I believe is very therapeutic a positive step in the right direction.
Personally, I joined the forum to learn more about hunting Blacktails. The negativity and arguing, just for the sake of arguing never bothered me. It is (or was) much worse on the Oregon forum I used to follow. Seems to be just the way life is these days. For me, it is so very easy to close a negative thread and move on to some other topic that I rarely get caught in the quagmire. I tried not to step on toes too often, (though I think I completely broke a few of Bone Addict's toes last season - sorry again!), and I try to accept the fact that someone is probably going to disagree with my opinion before I post - that way I get less irritated when it actually happens.
Sadly, many of the members that left the forum over the last few years were the ones who actually took the time to try to teach less experienced hunters. I've read and re-read many of the archived/old posts for more information to the point that I rarely ever search for information there anymore. Once the opportunity to learn something worthwhile here stopped, my desire to spend a lot of time here waned as well. In past hunting seasons and off-seasons, I attempted to start threads or ask questions in order to stimulate conversation and perhaps create a little learning opportunity for those interested in my topics. Many times, I'd get only a smattering of responses, sometimes none at all. Often, the threads would go sideways without ever even discussing the topic at hand. I've pretty much given up on that pursuit. These days, I hit the deer hunting section, sometimes look at trail cam pics, read and send a few PMs to my buddies, and spend a few minutes posting to threads going completely ignored by others, just so that the OP feels like he/she at least got a response to their query.
My biggest recommendation for improving this forum, especially for those trying to learn hunting skills and tactics, would be to have a beginners sticky thread in each of the hunting sections (elk, deer, bear, waterfowl, etc. ) where members could post ideas and techniques that they believe are important to learn in order for a beginner to be successful. A lot of this information is already available and could be copy/pasted easily. Additional information could be added over time as questions arise. Eventually, a single sticky thread for each major game species might just become a great resource of knowledge for neophytes and reduce the amount of repetition of the typical questions we all see frequently. If we are successful in teaching someone to hunt well, they will likely be a hunter for life and become an advocate for hunting. If we choose not to try, many will just move on to some other activity. Time in the woods is hugely important in learning to hunt, but if we can reduce the amount of time required to learn basic skills, then everyone benefits.
1:00 AM - better get some sleep.
I've been advocating for a "Best of" sticky in each section for this very reason!
I started a thread on tires because I happen to have a lot of knowledge of them as an example/resource. The best example I would love to see copied is on Jeepforum.com under the Cherokee co category. A wealth of knowledge about the vehicle. Tutorials cross reference parts etc.
2c
Post by: dreamingbig on September 07, 2017, 10:05:03 AM
Here is a few trail camera pictures from this August to support the forum!
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Post by: h20hunter on September 07, 2017, 10:05:57 AM
Shooter X3!
Post by: WaltAlpine on September 08, 2017, 11:37:23 AM
I was on here a lot before I started looking for deer. This place and a few really good friends helped my son shoot a deer on his 2nd day of hunting.
That was 2012 and I have yet to shoot one but I will keep reading the posts and hitting the hills until I do.
My thanks to you all for contribing to my many good times.
Nick
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Post by: ebusa on September 13, 2017, 11:38:06 AM
I really do not have a lot of time for posting. If something interests me or I can add potential value I will post or reply. Also, some folks may post and they never get a reply....I"ve seen those and thought, poor guy, got gaffed by everyone...lol
I have a bad habit of hanging out in the classifieds! lol
I've purchased and sold numerous firearms on this site and have met some awesome folks here!
Now that hunting season is coming up, I find myself logging on more as I'm trying to get excited for the upcoming year...
Post by: JM on September 15, 2017, 08:32:03 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 15, 2017, 08:32:45 AM
I'll post photos If you can figure out a way of keeping coordinates off of pictures. I usually have my GPS off but it's not worth the risk of ruining a spot to show off a picture of a buck to people I'll never know.
Sent you a pm.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 15, 2017, 08:35:31 AM
I'll post photos If you can figure out a way of keeping coordinates off of pictures. I usually have my GPS off but it's not worth the risk of ruining a spot to show off a picture of a buck to people I'll never know.
You can always take a picture of the photo while looking at it on your laptop etc. No way those coordinates could ever get out that way. Not the best pics but a extra safe guard.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 15, 2017, 08:36:35 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 15, 2017, 08:37:11 AM
I'll post photos If you can figure out a way of keeping coordinates off of pictures. I usually have my GPS off but it's not worth the risk of ruining a spot to show off a picture of a buck to people I'll never know.
You can always take a picture of the photo while looking at it on your laptop etc. No way those coordinates could ever get out that way. Not the best pics but a extra safe guard.
You can screen shot the picture with your phone too. You'll get a quality picture that way.
Post by: jackelope on September 15, 2017, 08:37:49 AM
I'm super paranoid so I use the snip tool and capture the photo that way on my desktop. Plus it helps me to crop out what I don't want in there.
Real easy to crop from your phone also.
Post by: bobcat on September 15, 2017, 08:40:01 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 15, 2017, 08:42:13 AM
I'll post photos If you can figure out a way of keeping coordinates off of pictures. I usually have my GPS off but it's not worth the risk of ruining a spot to show off a picture of a buck to people I'll never know.
You can always take a picture of the photo while looking at it on your laptop etc. No way those coordinates could ever get out that way. Not the best pics but a extra safe guard.
You can screen shot the picture with your phone too. You'll get a quality picture that way.
Yes indeed. I email most pics to myself rather then posting from my phone as well.
Post by: STRINGSHOOTER on September 15, 2017, 10:38:55 AM
I do enjoy the comaraderie between some of the "senior" members who are well known, and try to learn as much as I can from those more experienced. (I always wondered what happened to the guy with the Seahawks gloves logo who had some controversy/trail cam issue, as he was very informative as well).
I have met a lot of hunters and ask if they are on the forum and each one has told me no for various reasons. I tell them to check it out.
So for me, it is THE resource for all it's information on a "local" level as opposed to all the other hunting media, and the personal exchanges of info are valuable. The pics, videos, stories and tips get me pumped and serve as my mountain motivation.
That's why I come to the forum, all the other stuff is prevalent everywhere else. I see this as a brotherhood of responsible hunters. Thanks to all of you who have taught and inspired me! :twocents:
Post by: Becky on September 15, 2017, 10:43:36 AM
The other solution, of course, is to use an actual camera rather than a phone to take your photos. Doesn't anybody carry a camera in their pack anymore?Not when most phones are 16mp the same quality as a pocket digital camera. Only issue is no zoom really on your cell, but it's way more convenient.
Post by: croix on September 15, 2017, 01:35:10 PM
I didn't follow this thread since it started back in august and was wholly unaware of the changes that were made, but based solely on the facts above I'd say things are looking up. Thanks.
-croix
Post by: O. hemionus on September 23, 2017, 10:37:23 AM
The other solution, of course, is to use an actual camera rather than a phone to take your photos. Doesn't anybody carry a camera in their pack anymore?
If you don't own a smartphone like myself, then you carry a camera in your pack. Unfortunately like Smossy's Girl pointed out, the 4mp resolution of my point-and-shoot leaves much to be desired (reference this video I just posted...http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,218579.0.html). Wish I had a smart phone strictly for photo purposes.
Alternately, one could carry a GPS unit and then have the GPS turned off on the phone so you wouldn't have to worry about the coordinate metadata being attached to the photo.
Post by: Seabass on September 26, 2017, 12:25:53 PM
The other solution, of course, is to use an actual camera rather than a phone to take your photos. Doesn't anybody carry a camera in their pack anymore?
Clearly....people don't carry cameras anymore....if they did they would use their cameras instead of cell phones.
I'm not picking on you Bobcat, although when I used to post more frequently I did. His comment and MY response, is EXACTLY why people post less or lurk forever.
Text is very easily misunderstood and even more so when you find a person who seems to "virtually rub you the wrong way." I rarely agree with anything Bobcat ever says. As a result of that I form an opinion of him that may or may not be correct, BUT I see his comments in a different light than somebody else might.
So when he posts something like, "doesn't anybody carry a camera anymore?" I read that as....if you don't carry a camera, you are a not nice person. Another person, who might know Bobcat personally, doesn't see his comment the same way I do. That's just human nature and can't be legislated.
Bobcat could potentially be my future best friend....I don't know but most of us react before we think and it is rare to find a person who can accurately articulate their thoughts through text....I tend to be one of those people. I use 98% of my daily patience quota on other stuff. It's better for the site, for me to post less OR only post when I'm in the right mood.
Post by: OutHouse on September 29, 2017, 02:53:22 PM
Post by: Special T on September 29, 2017, 03:03:13 PM
Holy cow I spent some time looking at early threads in off topics and I'll be upfront and say there was a time when OffTopics was pretty much a native bashing cesspool--those with the strongest opinions tended be the lightest on intellect. Whatever changes have occurred were sorely needed. It's good that those threads are back a ways because they are an embarrassment to this sight and cast hunters exactly in the light that the liberal media would like cast on them--simple minded degenerates.
Don't know if you saw them... there were some really great discussions and contributions on native hunting and how it roles out.. CostalNative, a guy from the Colville and PlateauNDN have made some great contributions despite the venomous attacks they recieved. I think its too bad because they gave the average guy some insight. :twocents:
Post by: OutHouse on September 29, 2017, 03:11:12 PM
Holy cow I spent some time looking at early threads in off topics and I'll be upfront and say there was a time when OffTopics was pretty much a native bashing cesspool--those with the strongest opinions tended be the lightest on intellect. Whatever changes have occurred were sorely needed. It's good that those threads are back a ways because they are an embarrassment to this sight and cast hunters exactly in the light that the liberal media would like cast on them--simple minded degenerates.
Don't know if you saw them... there were some really great discussions and contributions on native hunting and how it roles out.. CostalNative, a guy from the Colville and PlateauNDN have made some great contributions despite the venomous attacks they recieved. I think its too bad because they gave the average guy some insight. :twocents:
Oh, I should have clarified that I did find a few gems but for the most part it was a cesspool. The amount of uneducated nonsense being spewed was embarrassing--at least I was embarrassed for the ignorant. In almost every thread you have someone saying they should only be able to use the means they had when the treaties were signed and then referenced spears etc... Of course, anyone with even a middle-schooler's understanding of American history knows the Indians had firearms at that point in time (the mid 1850's).
Post by: h20hunter on September 29, 2017, 03:18:42 PM
Post by: tlbradford on October 01, 2017, 09:39:18 PM
Post by: hoof rot on October 05, 2017, 08:48:14 AM
Post by: boneaddict on October 05, 2017, 09:51:27 AM
Oh yes, well, your message was clear, but part of the cleanup is language and attitude. I asked for folks opinions and was willing to take them all. Thank you for your input.
Post by: h20hunter on October 05, 2017, 10:24:15 AM
Post by: DaveMonti on October 05, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
Post by: KFhunter on October 05, 2017, 02:47:43 PM
Let's not go down this path as there is not anything good at the end. We appreciate the feedback.
:yeah:
and there's nothing to prevent that valuable insight on tribal issues, we did not ban talking about tribal hunting or gun rights issues or any other issues for that matter
We just ask (demand) that you be civilized in discussing these things and not sling personal attacks and slander at one another for having a differing opinion.
Post by: Whitefoot on October 05, 2017, 03:08:01 PM
Holy cow I spent some time looking at early threads in off topics and I'll be upfront and say there was a time when OffTopics was pretty much a native bashing cesspool--those with the strongest opinions tended be the lightest on intellect. Whatever changes have occurred were sorely needed. It's good that those threads are back a ways because they are an embarrassment to this sight and cast hunters exactly in the light that the liberal media would like cast on them--simple minded degenerates.
I couldn't agree more. :tup:
Post by: cohoho on October 14, 2017, 08:03:25 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on November 12, 2017, 09:02:23 PM
I've been careful giving out information this year in pm's and need to be more careful after giving out information to members I found to be on the lazy side. I didn't get any more burnt than last year, but may have paid the price for trying to be too generous. I have gotten some pretty good trail cam footage in the month they've been out, but keeping those photos to myself and those members I trust on here. You won't see any trail cam threads from me again.
I'll shut up giving information out in the future with members I don't know.
BTW @boneaddict, maybe this thead should go back to the virtual campfire for a bit.
Post by: M_ray on November 12, 2017, 11:24:00 PM
I never considered myself an esteemed member. However, there are personalities that seem to live to stir the pot and post worthless garbage...and an unwillingness to just get rid of the chronic problem children that took the fun out of it. I have watched a good number of great and knowledgeable members quit the site or totally change the way they interact because they're stuck dealing with j@ackasses whenever they're online. I'd include Bone in that group, it doesn't seem as fun for him or many of the mods anymore.
As such, this is my first post since April and probably my last for a while. I come on here once in a while to check classifieds now but that's about it.
This one pretty much says it for me ... That and being asked where I'd like to meet to settle things got old. It seemed it should be a violation of forum rules but nothing ever happened so not being on here was an easy way to deal with that. I'm not saying I was " An esteemed" member by any means but I think I shared some good pics and stories of hunts and brought some positive things to the table. I have helped members with info that I have never even met and answered many questions on PM's. I learned a ton about wildlife photography and long range shooting and made a few friendships I wouldn't have otherwise and for that I am grateful. I haven't posted too much of success pics the last couple years cause when you are away it just seems that the pics and field photos kinda go away with you. So there I think this is about my 5th or 6th post this year :chuckle: I'll still check in to read but I've stayed away from posting much.
Post by: Little Dave on December 17, 2017, 09:30:06 PM
Thanks for taking the time and effort into rebuilding the forum.
Post by: bearpaw on December 19, 2017, 10:01:09 AM
I never considered myself an esteemed member. However, there are personalities that seem to live to stir the pot and post worthless garbage...and an unwillingness to just get rid of the chronic problem children that took the fun out of it. I have watched a good number of great and knowledgeable members quit the site or totally change the way they interact because they're stuck dealing with j@ackasses whenever they're online. I'd include Bone in that group, it doesn't seem as fun for him or many of the mods anymore.
As such, this is my first post since April and probably my last for a while. I come on here once in a while to check classifieds now but that's about it.
This one pretty much says it for me ... That and being asked where I'd like to meet to settle things got old. It seemed it should be a violation of forum rules but nothing ever happened so not being on here was an easy way to deal with that. I'm not saying I was " An esteemed" member by any means but I think I shared some good pics and stories of hunts and brought some positive things to the table. I have helped members with info that I have never even met and answered many questions on PM's. I learned a ton about wildlife photography and long range shooting and made a few friendships I wouldn't have otherwise and for that I am grateful. I haven't posted too much of success pics the last couple years cause when you are away it just seems that the pics and field photos kinda go away with you. So there I think this is about my 5th or 6th post this year :chuckle: I'll still check in to read but I've stayed away from posting much.
That and being asked where I'd like to meet to settle things got old
I'm sorry to hear that M_ray! If those kinds of remarks are ever sent to anyone, we want to know. That is grounds for an immediate longterm and possible permanent ban. That should never happen!
Post by: bearpaw on December 19, 2017, 10:02:57 AM
Stepped out for a while. The site did seem to be drifting a bit, but at the same time my ex-wives and their minions were reading stuff to maximize divorce profiteering so I left for a while. Glad to see some familiar names. Hope last few years were good ones for you.
Thanks for taking the time and effort into rebuilding the forum.
Little Dave I'm really sorry to hear you had to go through a divorce, but hopefully you'll have a better life after it's all over. :tup:
Post by: mjustice79 on February 05, 2018, 04:17:39 PM
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Post by: Special T on February 05, 2018, 04:31:12 PM
I didn’t hunt last year, spent money to learn to climb mountains instead. I will say, anytime I had a question on a particular topic, I received some great responses. I just lurk to gain knowledge. I’ve found that most questions I have, have already been answered, so no need to beat a dead horse I guess. After four years, I’m still trying to figure out the state for hunting.Rock or glacier travel? Which mountains are on the list?
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Post by: mjustice79 on February 05, 2018, 08:57:49 PM
I’ve already gotten 3/5 volcanoes knocked off with Glacier and Rainer being the last two. I’m looking at Stewart, and maybe Deception and Shuksan this year. I’ve read that book over and over. Kind of a boring read, but a wealth of knowledge in there.I didn’t hunt last year, spent money to learn to climb mountains instead. I will say, anytime I had a question on a particular topic, I received some great responses. I just lurk to gain knowledge. I’ve found that most questions I have, have already been answered, so no need to beat a dead horse I guess. After four years, I’m still trying to figure out the state for hunting.Rock or glacier travel? Which mountains are on the list?
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Post by: Special T on February 05, 2018, 09:49:46 PM
Climbing is pretty addictive.
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Post by: mjustice79 on February 06, 2018, 02:51:47 PM
Cool. I took a group of Scouts up Mystery and Deception on the Oly Pen years ago when I was guiding for the Boy Scouts. The Ranger at Camp Sherman near Freshwater was taking tracks of Scouts up Raineer in the early 60s. He would take them from one side of the crater to the other in the steam vents.Nice! Yes it’s highly addictive lol!! I’ve found that I enjoy it more than hunting actually, and swore I’d never give WDFW another dollar. However, one of my sons told me he wanted to start hunting again so I’ll dole out the $$$ for a multi tag and we’ll go after deer this year.
Climbing is pretty addictive.
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