Post by: whackmaster on August 22, 2017, 06:53:11 PM
Are they junk?
Post by: hunter399 on August 22, 2017, 07:04:30 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on August 22, 2017, 07:09:32 PM
But several friends have them and like them.
I suspect that it is like packs. Certain brands are popular for awhile and than every body starts after the next great thing.
The guys selling may have had them awhile and now are ready to try something new.
:dunno:
Post by: Skillet on August 22, 2017, 07:11:55 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 22, 2017, 07:13:34 PM
They are a good shooting gun far from junk.
Post by: northwesthunter84 on August 22, 2017, 07:15:13 PM
Post by: whackmaster on August 22, 2017, 07:23:51 PM
That's like asking why so many Ford trucks for sale. It's because there's a billion of them out there.
I know why there are so many ford's for sale they are junk :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on August 22, 2017, 07:53:05 PM
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Post by: hawgwild on August 22, 2017, 07:54:48 PM
Post by: whackmaster on August 22, 2017, 08:12:57 PM
there is a reason was just hoping someone would shed some light that's all
there is a reason people hate them
Post by: fowl smacker on August 22, 2017, 08:25:52 PM
Post by: lewy on August 22, 2017, 08:26:45 PM
Post by: JL on August 22, 2017, 08:56:04 PM
Post by: kselkhunter on August 22, 2017, 08:56:25 PM
Plus, most Tikkas I see for sale are the powerful calibers. 300WSM, 300WM, 338WM, etc. Perhaps people have decided they want a heavier gun for such calibers. I see fewer smaller caliber Tikka for sale on most websites in comparison.
Post by: Ingwe on August 22, 2017, 09:22:43 PM
Post by: DaveMonti on August 22, 2017, 09:43:42 PM
Tikka (and sister company Sako) are great quality rifles with very good accuracy. Large volume manufacturing at reasonable pricing, generally results in higher quantity of sales....and thus re-sales (there are just more out there).
Plus, most Tikkas I see for sale are the powerful calibers. 300WSM, 300WM, 338WM, etc. Perhaps people have decided they want a heavier gun for such calibers. I see fewer smaller caliber Tikka for sale on most websites in comparison.
I think this holds true for a lot of heavy calibers. There seem to be a lot of mags for sale in many models. I think a lot of guys bought magnums and realized that they can't shoot them comfortably, so up for sale they go.
I have a 25-06 Tikka and with it being so lightweight, it will belt you with a hot load. However, I love the firearm and I've never had a problem with flinching or heavy recoil. I put a Limbsaver pad on it and it made a world of difference. It's a great, affordable firearm, very accurate, and lightweight. I have a bunch of Remington 700s, but the Tikka goes with me deer hunting most of the time. I'd not hesitate to buy another. Just go with a 7mm-08 or 308 for a short action with plenty of punch.
Post by: Griiz on August 22, 2017, 11:04:03 PM
Post by: huntnphool on August 22, 2017, 11:08:52 PM
Post by: hunter399 on August 22, 2017, 11:17:40 PM
I have a Tikka 270 wsm and it is the most accurate rifle I own. It is my go-to rifle but the stock feels kinda cheapo, but the gun is also very light to carry.
That sounds like a review from a owner.
Tag, getting the popcorn out in anticipation. :chuckle::yeah:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Seahawk12 on August 22, 2017, 11:29:33 PM
Post by: JakeLand on August 22, 2017, 11:30:57 PM
Jake
Post by: whackmaster on August 23, 2017, 04:55:08 AM
Whackmaster, Jackall asked some pretty relevant questions about your rifle that remain unanswered (round count, accuracy, rings) jsyk. I imagine there are others like me who would want to know this before committing to anything.
Sound's like questions I should of asked before buying it didn't know they where round sensitive so I'm the "that guy"
Post by: h2ofowlr on August 23, 2017, 07:40:36 AM
I have 5 of them and love them. .223, .22-250, .7mm-08, .270, .7mm. The only one that isn't to fun to shoot is the .7mm.
Post by: DRobnsn on August 23, 2017, 10:04:43 AM
Post by: Dan-o on August 23, 2017, 10:26:12 AM
On a more serious note, the guys I know that have them have never complained.
Post by: PlateauNDN on August 23, 2017, 10:45:04 AM
I suspect that most Tikka owners trying to sell are just looking to upgrade to a Savage. 8)
:yeah: bingo
Post by: JakeLand on August 23, 2017, 01:54:22 PM
Ehhhhh.... probably notI suspect that most Tikka owners trying to sell are just looking to upgrade to a Savage. 8)
:yeah: bingo
Post by: GUscottie on August 23, 2017, 03:27:51 PM
Post by: 2labs on August 23, 2017, 03:48:21 PM
Post by: hunthard on August 24, 2017, 01:04:25 AM
Post by: JakeLand on August 24, 2017, 05:25:59 AM
But with the larger calibers they have a kick and if you put a quality stock on like a B/C stock it calms it down a lot and you will find that your very impressive shot groups will even get better! :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 24, 2017, 05:32:28 AM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on August 24, 2017, 06:42:20 AM
I suspect that most Tikka owners trying to sell are just looking to upgrade to a Savage. 8)seems like a lot of it is trying to cash out and try the "next big thing". i remember when savage and tikka were the budget rifle...the manufacturers seemed to notice and ratchet up the price(when was the last time you could get a new savage 110 for 300 bucks?). now it's the ruger RAR.
On a more serious note, the guys I know that have them have never complained.
i do also notice everyone trying to sell their magnum calibers. bravado aside, i wouldn't want a .300 or 338 win in a 6 1/2lb rifle either.
Post by: bobcat on August 24, 2017, 07:32:23 AM
i do also notice everyone trying to sell their magnum calibers. bravado aside, i wouldn't want a .300 or 338 win in a 6 1/2lb rifle either.
:yeah:
Post by: Sakko300wsm on August 27, 2017, 04:35:07 PM
That would be a Sako :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 30, 2017, 11:13:34 AM
Post by: DRobnsn on August 31, 2017, 10:24:43 AM
I have several brands of rifles and Tikka is one of the nicest finished looking stock rifle I own. Its a 300wssm.
300WSSM? Or 300WSM?
Post by: Duckslayer89 on September 04, 2017, 02:18:21 AM
I have several brands of rifles and Tikka is one of the nicest finished looking stock rifle I own. Its a 300wssm.
300WSSM? Or 300WSM?
300 Winchester super short mag duh :chuckle:
Post by: DRobnsn on September 05, 2017, 04:53:20 PM
I have several brands of rifles and Tikka is one of the nicest finished looking stock rifle I own. Its a 300wssm.
300WSSM? Or 300WSM?
300 Winchester super short mag duh :chuckle:
From reading people have tried the 300WSSM. Best I can gather is its not any better than a 308. Interesting either way though.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on September 05, 2017, 05:52:08 PM
I have several brands of rifles and Tikka is one of the nicest finished looking stock rifle I own. Its a 300wssm.
300WSSM? Or 300WSM?
300 Winchester super short mag duh :chuckle:
From reading people have tried the 300WSSM. Best I can gather is its not any better than a 308. Interesting either way though.
Wow the 300wssm is a real thing I guess. Just looked it up. I was just figuring it was a typo and I was joking around. Guess it's a real round.
Post by: DRobnsn on September 06, 2017, 11:01:09 AM
I have several brands of rifles and Tikka is one of the nicest finished looking stock rifle I own. Its a 300wssm.
300WSSM? Or 300WSM?
300 Winchester super short mag duh :chuckle:
From reading people have tried the 300WSSM. Best I can gather is its not any better than a 308. Interesting either way though.
Wow the 300wssm is a real thing I guess. Just looked it up. I was just figuring it was a typo and I was joking around. Guess it's a real round.
Yep, I thought the same until I looked it up. I'm still curious if he actually has the 300wssm.
Post by: DaveMonti on September 06, 2017, 09:26:38 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 06, 2017, 10:04:26 PM
Post by: Shooting Stix on September 06, 2017, 10:14:30 PM
Post by: cboom on September 21, 2017, 11:55:28 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 28, 2017, 09:25:12 AM
I have several brands of rifles and Tikka is one of the nicest finished looking stock rifle I own. Its a 300wssm.
300WSSM? Or 300WSM?
Winchester Short Magnum WSM. Sorry.........
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 28, 2017, 12:26:05 PM
The Google Foo's , Google Meister's jump on their mobile device and decide they are going to play the "Man" game. This excludes the "Been there, done that" crowd. They get "Tikka" rammed down their throats. So it's off to Mr. slick behind the gun counter. A little paperwork and now they are a proud owner of a Tikka.
Back to Google Foo! Soon they realize they just can't have a Tikka, they have to look the part. So back to the sporting goods store for a complete refit in $1000.00 bucks in Sitka gear, where the store employee's roll their eye's as they watch Mr. Google Foo paw through the Sitka gear because they know the question.
"Does my Azz look big in these attack pants" is coming.
As their packing their junk out to their Honda car. They see another Google Foo expert exiting the store already decked out head to toe in his spiffy Sitka gear and getting into his Toyota TRD.
He then takes a good look at his Honda Car and thinks there's no reason I can't be like that sexy dude I just saw jump in that TRD. So it's a quick call to mom and dad some quick manipulation into having them co-sign and it's off to the Toyota dealer ship to pick up their new ride.
Now they have a total of 49.73 to budget for a scope so they frost their rifle with crap optics. Hang out on the shooting forums in anticipation of the manliest open morning in the history of Washington State because? Yes, you called it. They will be there "Johny woods" in person.
The season comes and they stubble around the mountain a few times checking their selves out in the side mirror of their tuck before each trek, spending the majority of the time taking selfies and posting them to Facebook and checking responses.(This I have witnessed from afar).
The season comes and goes and the reality is, this hunting/ manly stuff takes some effort. They are much happier being told what to do, controlled, manipulated and brow beat by their girlfriends or wives at home.
So they hang up the man hat for the year. The Tikka goes up for sale, the Sitka gear goes on the forum classifieds for half price, because that TRD needs fuel and whoever is driving their bus needs a manicure.
It's back to the mundane but not to worry. Being manly again is only a season away !!!!
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 28, 2017, 03:19:13 PM
In all seriousness what do you recommend for a sub $1000, MOA, lighter weight back country rifle if not Tikka?
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 28, 2017, 03:27:02 PM
So biggerhammer how much you want for your Tikka?
In all seriousness what do you recommend for a sub $1000, MOA, lighter weight back country rifle if not Tikka?
Howa Alpine Mountain rifle (5.7 lbs) in 6.5 Creedmoor. It was close between the Kimber and the Alpine. The Kimbers are a crap shoot when it comes to true accuracy. I went with the Alpine, it's light and it shoots.
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5 shot group @ 100 .467.
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Post by: Russ McDonald on October 29, 2017, 05:40:29 PM
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 29, 2017, 05:41:22 PM
Post by: thinkingman on October 29, 2017, 09:28:58 PM
My take on all the Tikka's for sale.This is remarkably similar to why there are so many Glocks for sale...just substitute first handgun for a 21 year old who played Call of Duty for 10 years and thinks a $95 dollars worth of plastic and steel is the apex of hand gunning. Don't forget the black 5.11 Tactical clothing and duty boots investment that is worn to the range with the drop thigh holster. They have to have a Glock Perfection decal boldly displayed on the back window of the lifted GM pickup that cost more than their house. Then there's the 30 percent depreciation because the market is glutted with used Glocks because the 21 year old former owner got to shoot a 1911(not a Sig-a REAL one!) and discovered a proper grip angle and trigger.
The Google Foo's , Google Meister's jump on their mobile device and decide they are going to play the "Man" game. This excludes the "Been there, done that" crowd. They get "Tikka" rammed down their throats. So it's off to Mr. slick behind the gun counter. A little paperwork and now they are a proud owner of a Tikka.
Back to Google Foo! Soon they realize they just can't have a Tikka, they have to look the part. So back to the sporting goods store for a complete refit in $1000.00 bucks in Sitka gear, where the store employee's roll their eye's as they watch Mr. Google Foo paw through the Sitka gear because they know the question.
"Does my Azz look big in these attack pants" is coming.
As their packing their junk out to their Honda car. They see another Google Foo expert exiting the store already decked out head to toe in his spiffy Sitka gear and getting into his Toyota TRD.
He then takes a good look at his Honda Car and thinks there's no reason I can't be like that sexy dude I just saw jump in that TRD. So it's a quick call to mom and dad some quick manipulation into having them co-sign and it's off to the Toyota dealer ship to pick up their new ride.
Now they have a total of 49.73 to budget for a scope so they frost their rifle with crap optics. Hang out on the shooting forums in anticipation of the manliest open morning in the history of Washington State because? Yes, you called it. They will be there "Johny woods" in person.
The season comes and they stubble around the mountain a few times checking their selves out in the side mirror of their tuck before each trek, spending the majority of the time taking selfies and posting them to Facebook and checking responses.(This I have witnessed from afar).
The season comes and goes and the reality is, this hunting/ manly stuff takes some effort. They are much happier being told what to do, controlled, manipulated and brow beat by their girlfriends or wives at home.
So they hang up the man hat for the year. The Tikka goes up for sale, the Sitka gear goes on the forum classifieds for half price, because that TRD needs fuel and whoever is driving their bus needs a manicure.
It's back to the mundane but not to worry. Being manly again is only a season away !!!!
Post by: mtn muley madness on October 29, 2017, 10:37:08 PM
Post by: JakeLand on October 30, 2017, 08:13:39 AM
Bench tested half a dozen rifles at 600 yds. Mostly all custom built (except the Tikka) to be deadly at long distances...rifles that were worth 4-6 new Tikka's. Needless to say, there were some pissed off people with expensive rifles that day. It was a T3 300WSM, which I am a proud owner of...shoots so good I bought another (like most Tikka owners). I bought mine for bear mostly because I loved my .270 for everything else but haven't used the .270 for hunting purposes since. And over the last 10 years, have watched just about everyone in deer camp turn in their rifles for Tikka's as well and everyone else loves them too. I beat the living crap out of mine because of the style and /terrain where I hunt and she's always shooting true. Love it. Know a ton of people with them...have never heard anyone who actually owned one ever say anything bad about the accuracy of the Tikka's, they can shoot with the best of them.:tup:
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 30, 2017, 09:21:03 AM
TIKKA :pee:
Post by: JakeLand on October 30, 2017, 06:37:18 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 30, 2017, 09:07:33 PM
Jealousy sucks huh
Ha! My collection says different. For the masses Glocks are a work horse, you can beat the crap out of them and they go bang every time.
Post by: bobcat on October 30, 2017, 09:49:15 PM
Jealousy sucks huh
Ha! My collection says different. For the masses Glocks are a work horse, you can beat the crap out of them and they go bang every time.
Same could be said of Tikkas, from what I've heard.
Post by: mountainman on October 30, 2017, 10:49:45 PM
Same could be said of Tikkas, from what I've heard.
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Every Tikka a I have owned always go "bang", and several, one in .338 win, have been uncanny accurate!
Post by: Mariachi on October 31, 2017, 03:31:36 AM
Post by: Bob33 on October 31, 2017, 06:19:12 AM
Is this gun good for beginners? Or should looking for something else?There is no reason a beginner couldn't use a Tikka. The important thing is to get a caliber with milder recoil like .243 or 7mm-08 so that flinching doesn't become an issue for a new shooter.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 31, 2017, 06:43:00 AM
I do pay attention to Biggerhammers complaint though, as I am finally at a point with a couple firearms where they need to go in for repair due to various reasons (including poor workmanship on the build).
I may still purchase a Tikka myself, but only time will tell. New bow first :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on October 31, 2017, 08:26:15 AM
My take on all the Tikka's for sale.
The Google Foo's , Google Meister's jump on their mobile device and decide they are going to play the "Man" game. This excludes the "Been there, done that" crowd. They get "Tikka" rammed down their throats. So it's off to Mr. slick behind the gun counter. A little paperwork and now they are a proud owner of a Tikka.
Back to Google Foo! Soon they realize they just can't have a Tikka, they have to look the part. So back to the sporting goods store for a complete refit in $1000.00 bucks in Sitka gear, where the store employee's roll their eye's as they watch Mr. Google Foo paw through the Sitka gear because they know the question.
"Does my Azz look big in these attack pants" is coming.
As their packing their junk out to their Honda car. They see another Google Foo expert exiting the store already decked out head to toe in his spiffy Sitka gear and getting into his Toyota TRD.
He then takes a good look at his Honda Car and thinks there's no reason I can't be like that sexy dude I just saw jump in that TRD. So it's a quick call to mom and dad some quick manipulation into having them co-sign and it's off to the Toyota dealer ship to pick up their new ride.
Now they have a total of 49.73 to budget for a scope so they frost their rifle with crap optics. Hang out on the shooting forums in anticipation of the manliest open morning in the history of Washington State because? Yes, you called it. They will be there "Johny woods" in person.
The season comes and they stubble around the mountain a few times checking their selves out in the side mirror of their tuck before each trek, spending the majority of the time taking selfies and posting them to Facebook and checking responses.(This I have witnessed from afar).
The season comes and goes and the reality is, this hunting/ manly stuff takes some effort. They are much happier being told what to do, controlled, manipulated and brow beat by their girlfriends or wives at home.
So they hang up the man hat for the year. The Tikka goes up for sale, the Sitka gear goes on the forum classifieds for half price, because that TRD needs fuel and whoever is driving their bus needs a manicure.
It's back to the mundane but not to worry. Being manly again is only a season away !!!!
:rolleyes:
Or the "Google Foo's" were smart enough to do some research and find a reasonably priced rifle that shoots with the best of them. Some people don't need the ego boost of a $3500 rifle.
Post by: teanawayslayer on October 31, 2017, 09:09:34 AM
:chuckle:My take on all the Tikka's for sale.
The Google Foo's , Google Meister's jump on their mobile device and decide they are going to play the "Man" game. This excludes the "Been there, done that" crowd. They get "Tikka" rammed down their throats. So it's off to Mr. slick behind the gun counter. A little paperwork and now they are a proud owner of a Tikka.
Back to Google Foo! Soon they realize they just can't have a Tikka, they have to look the part. So back to the sporting goods store for a complete refit in $1000.00 bucks in Sitka gear, where the store employee's roll their eye's as they watch Mr. Google Foo paw through the Sitka gear because they know the question.
"Does my Azz look big in these attack pants" is coming.
As their packing their junk out to their Honda car. They see another Google Foo expert exiting the store already decked out head to toe in his spiffy Sitka gear and getting into his Toyota TRD.
He then takes a good look at his Honda Car and thinks there's no reason I can't be like that sexy dude I just saw jump in that TRD. So it's a quick call to mom and dad some quick manipulation into having them co-sign and it's off to the Toyota dealer ship to pick up their new ride.
Now they have a total of 49.73 to budget for a scope so they frost their rifle with crap optics. Hang out on the shooting forums in anticipation of the manliest open morning in the history of Washington State because? Yes, you called it. They will be there "Johny woods" in person.
The season comes and they stubble around the mountain a few times checking their selves out in the side mirror of their tuck before each trek, spending the majority of the time taking selfies and posting them to Facebook and checking responses.(This I have witnessed from afar).
The season comes and goes and the reality is, this hunting/ manly stuff takes some effort. They are much happier being told what to do, controlled, manipulated and brow beat by their girlfriends or wives at home.
So they hang up the man hat for the year. The Tikka goes up for sale, the Sitka gear goes on the forum classifieds for half price, because that TRD needs fuel and whoever is driving their bus needs a manicure.
It's back to the mundane but not to worry. Being manly again is only a season away !!!!
:rolleyes:
Or the "Google Foo's" were smart enough to do some research and find a reasonably priced rifle that shoots with the best of them. Some people don't need the ego boost of a $3500 rifle.
Post by: fillthefreezer on October 31, 2017, 09:30:00 AM
and even then, id like to try out the tikka CTR in 6.5cm as a practice gun.
my gun rings steel at 1000 with guns costing 2 and 3 times as much, although are sporting better calibers ballisticly speaking..
Post by: JakeLand on October 31, 2017, 12:55:38 PM
i will likely continue to shoot tikka until i can step up into that full custom, $4k rifle world. (likely never :chuckle:)nice pic!! What caliber are you shooting ?
and even then, id like to try out the tikka CTR in 6.5cm as a practice gun.
my gun rings steel at 1000 with guns costing 2 and 3 times as much, although are sporting better calibers ballisticly speaking..
Post by: fillthefreezer on October 31, 2017, 02:44:42 PM
thank you.
300WM (mine is front and center. a 300wm t3x behind it. 300RUM next. and 28nosler rounding it out)
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 31, 2017, 09:56:00 PM
My take on all the Tikka's for sale.
The Google Foo's , Google Meister's jump on their mobile device and decide they are going to play the "Man" game. This excludes the "Been there, done that" crowd. They get "Tikka" rammed down their throats. So it's off to Mr. slick behind the gun counter. A little paperwork and now they are a proud owner of a Tikka.
Back to Google Foo! Soon they realize they just can't have a Tikka, they have to look the part. So back to the sporting goods store for a complete refit in $1000.00 bucks in Sitka gear, where the store employee's roll their eye's as they watch Mr. Google Foo paw through the Sitka gear because they know the question.
"Does my Azz look big in these attack pants" is coming.
As their packing their junk out to their Honda car. They see another Google Foo expert exiting the store already decked out head to toe in his spiffy Sitka gear and getting into his Toyota TRD.
He then takes a good look at his Honda Car and thinks there's no reason I can't be like that sexy dude I just saw jump in that TRD. So it's a quick call to mom and dad some quick manipulation into having them co-sign and it's off to the Toyota dealer ship to pick up their new ride.
Now they have a total of 49.73 to budget for a scope so they frost their rifle with crap optics. Hang out on the shooting forums in anticipation of the manliest open morning in the history of Washington State because? Yes, you called it. They will be there "Johny woods" in person.
The season comes and they stubble around the mountain a few times checking their selves out in the side mirror of their tuck before each trek, spending the majority of the time taking selfies and posting them to Facebook and checking responses.(This I have witnessed from afar).
The season comes and goes and the reality is, this hunting/ manly stuff takes some effort. They are much happier being told what to do, controlled, manipulated and brow beat by their girlfriends or wives at home.
So they hang up the man hat for the year. The Tikka goes up for sale, the Sitka gear goes on the forum classifieds for half price, because that TRD needs fuel and whoever is driving their bus needs a manicure.
It's back to the mundane but not to worry. Being manly again is only a season away !!!!
:rolleyes:
Or the "Google Foo's" were smart enough to do some research and find a reasonably priced rifle that shoots with the best of them. Some people don't need the ego boost of a $3500 rifle.
Ego boosts arrived from $3500+ custom rifles, are over rated.
Post by: dlipe03 on November 14, 2017, 08:28:19 AM
You are full of it ;)That's like asking why so many Ford trucks for sale. It's because there's a billion of them out there.
I know why there are so many ford's for sale they are junk :chuckle: