Post by: KFhunter on November 11, 2017, 02:17:15 PM
https://www.facebook.com/wally.grabowske.90/videos/1975280412747549/
Post by: jrebel on November 11, 2017, 02:27:31 PM
Post by: Band on November 12, 2017, 07:57:31 AM
Post by: Hilltop123 on November 12, 2017, 08:15:59 AM
That one looks perfect for the formal dining room, bedroom, or an anti-hunter's house. :bdid:Ya not in my house.
Post by: npaull on November 12, 2017, 08:19:23 AM
Post by: PolarBear on November 12, 2017, 08:24:53 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 12, 2017, 08:25:18 AM
Great way to glorify the wrong parts of hunting... :rolleyes:
First thing that came to mind.
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Post by: h20hunter on November 12, 2017, 08:26:50 AM
Great way to glorify the wrong parts of hunting... :rolleyes:
My thoughts exactly.
Post by: ndcasla on November 12, 2017, 08:29:21 AM
Post by: Mudman on November 12, 2017, 08:35:43 AM
Post by: lokidog on November 12, 2017, 08:37:33 AM
:bdid:
Post by: Skillet on November 12, 2017, 08:40:05 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 12, 2017, 08:41:15 AM
Post by: PolarBear on November 12, 2017, 08:52:40 AM
Post by: Lingcod on November 12, 2017, 09:09:16 AM
Post by: DaveMonti on November 12, 2017, 09:10:04 AM
Tasteless
My thoughts exactly
Post by: jrebel on November 12, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
Great way to glorify the wrong parts of hunting... :rolleyes:
How is this "glorifying the wrong parts of Hunting"? Not wanting to start a fight....just asking. Couldn't the same statement be made for any mount???? Especially a trophy head / antler mount. Hunting historically has been for sustenance. It has evolved for some to "trophy hunting" which could be construed as "wrong....or purposeless killing for the sake of having big antlers to display" (I don't agree 100% but for argument sake).
Though this mount is not for everyone.....it depicts an archery killed deer. This is reality, deer get killed with arrows. Deer bleed, deer lick wounds, deer die and some deer get mounted to be placed on display in peoples homes. So as for "glorifying the wrong parts of hunting....." I disagree whole heartedly. Not for everyone....I definitely get. Not for the internet....well to each their own. Anti's are not fond of any mount so at which point are we going to stop catering to them?
Post by: Skillet on November 12, 2017, 11:17:14 AM
Great way to glorify the wrong parts of hunting... :rolleyes:
How is this "glorifying the wrong parts of Hunting"? Not wanting to start a fight....just asking. Couldn't the same statement be made for any mount????
Since you're just asking-
No, that same could not be said for any mount. Taxidermy is basically a 3D snapshot of time. Traditional taxidermy's purpose is to glorify the animal itself in its pre-deceased form. That's the art of it. This mount is less art and more pornography, imho. It isn't glorifying the animal itself as much as the act of killing it. The gore and the depiction of the animal in distress during a lingering death is what moves this from a traditional taxidermy honoring the animal to the distasteful celebration of its suffering.
Post by: boneaddict on November 12, 2017, 11:25:26 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on November 12, 2017, 11:35:28 AM
Hate it! Tasteless. Wounded animal dieing from an idiot that cant shoot straight. Worst mount I have ever seen.
:yeah:
Post by: BoomWhop on November 12, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
Hate it! Tasteless. Wounded animal dieing from an idiot that cant shoot straight. Worst mount I have ever seen.:yeah:
It is a political statement at best, or a shrine to a sick mind at worst, someone who relishes the violence pain and suffering.
Post by: jrebel on November 12, 2017, 11:50:49 AM
I can understand if you don't like the mount or blood....but to justify your reasoning as a "bad shot" is a little silly. I personally would have changed the angle of the arrow on the mount to direct it more toward exiting behind the off side shoulder, but hey....its a mount. Oh yeah and the deer obviously died. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Based on some responses....Would this mount be seen as "Bad" or Tasteless as well? Just another apex predator killing a buck.
Post by: Skillet on November 12, 2017, 01:00:56 PM
It's clear you don't see the same thing the rest of the posters in this thread see. To each their own. I am personally glad to see the overwhelmingly negative responses to this mount, in that they help inform those who might be on the fence about it what this mount represents to the majority of hunters.
*edited by request
Post by: npaull on November 12, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
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How is this "glorifying the wrong parts of Hunting"? Not wanting to start a fight....just asking. Couldn't the same statement be made for any mount???? Especially a trophy head / antler mount. Hunting historically has been for sustenance. It has evolved for some to "trophy hunting" which could be construed as "wrong....or purposeless killing for the sake of having big antlers to display" (I don't agree 100% but for argument sake).
Though this mount is not for everyone.....it depicts an archery killed deer. This is reality, deer get killed with arrows. Deer bleed, deer lick wounds, deer die and some deer get mounted to be placed on display in peoples homes. So as for "glorifying the wrong parts of hunting....." I disagree whole heartedly. Not for everyone....I definitely get. Not for the internet....well to each their own. Anti's are not fond of any mount so at which point are we going to stop catering to them?
Legit question. First of all, I think the shot placement is good. The vast majority of hunters shoot deer too far back, and end up hitting the back of the lungs instead of the great vessels coming out of the heart. That's why it's common to hear about deer running dozens or hundreds of yards after a supposedly "good" bow shot. The arrow should go at the very point of the "V" formed by the humerus and scapula. WELL forward of the famous "crease." As close to the point of the V as you can get. A shot there *always* drops a deer within a few seconds, because it transects the aorta and the pulmonary artery. Most devastating injury short of decapitation.
The shot placement is not relevant to my dislike of the mount. It glorifies the wrong parts of hunting because it is commemorating the death of the animal and not the life of the animal. Good taxidermy strives to make a dead animal look forever alive, and what's being celebrated is the beauty of a living organism. This mount has frozen the worst moment of what is in fact a fast, clean death and made it, in a way, last forever. It is grotesque to me precisely because it makes timeless and front-and-center what is in fact fleeting and NOT central in hunting.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 12, 2017, 01:30:25 PM
I also get a negative vibe from the mount. And its not my thing.
But I understand what jrebel is saying, and don't think its trollish at all. Ultimately it doesn't matter one bit what the mount represents to me, or any of "the majority of hunters". Only what it represents to the hunter that killed him. Perhaps he made a poor shot and watched in agony as the buck took his last breaths, to him this pose could have been the most appropriate way to memorialize the bucks memory, Or encourage him to practice more and avoid the pain and suffering caused by a less than lethal blow. Maybe he put extreme effort into tracking and bringing the buck to bag, and this was the way he found him. Maybe he is a ghoulish bloodhound. We don't know.
Its been said many times even on this forum, Taxidermy is art. Sometimes art is graphic, and controversial. I don't like it. But I would rather see this, than a buck rotting in a field because the hunter just walked away.
Death is part of hunting. It is central to hunting. SOMETIMES it is fleeting. As npaull points out this time it was fleeting. Isn't that the point?
Post by: PolarBear on November 12, 2017, 01:52:12 PM
Why is everyone caught up on the "wounded animal" "bad shot" thing? I get it, as a long time (32 year) bow hunter, the shot is forward. It looks like it is still a kill shot based on the fact the animal is mounted.No, that’s just crappy taxidermy. :chuckle:
I can understand if you don't like the mount or blood....but to justify your reasoning as a "bad shot" is a little silly. I personally would have changed the angle of the arrow on the mount to direct it more toward exiting behind the off side shoulder, but hey....its a mount. Oh yeah and the deer obviously died. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Based on some responses....Would this mount be seen as "Bad" or Tasteless as well? Just another apex predator killing a buck.
Post by: Wacenturion on November 12, 2017, 02:08:02 PM
Post by: skills on November 12, 2017, 02:18:10 PM
Post by: runamuk on November 12, 2017, 03:46:40 PM
It is also used in the fine art realm, and the buying and selling of mounts among antiques and arts world has always existed.
That said that's not a mount I would want but that's merely my opinion.
Post by: Stein on November 12, 2017, 03:52:19 PM
Post by: Milkman on November 12, 2017, 03:54:34 PM
Nope. Arrow in poor location as well. :bdid::yeah:
Post by: Jpmiller on November 13, 2017, 11:22:04 AM
My initial reaction upon seeing it.....didn't like, find it somewhat replusive. After thinking about it and looking again........same opinion. :twocents::yeah:
Plus the blood looks like someone caked some red Play-Doh on it.
Post by: rtspring on November 13, 2017, 11:35:46 AM
1. Anti's are gonna hate no matter what mount you have done.
2. Every archery hunter who has ever hunted has made a bad shot
3. The bashing of a fellow hunter gets really old
4. We all murder animals, I for one won't hide behind whaf I love to do.
Probably see ya all in 30 days!!!!
Post by: quadrafire on November 13, 2017, 12:11:22 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 13, 2017, 12:12:36 PM
Could someone post a pic. I don't have FB. ThanksYou don't have to have facebook, just click the link and it shows up.
Post by: quadrafire on November 13, 2017, 12:13:06 PM
It's not opening for me :dunno:Could someone post a pic. I don't have FB. ThanksYou don't have to have facebook, just click the link and it shows up.
Says I have to login
Post by: JDHasty on November 13, 2017, 12:45:05 PM
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2017, 12:47:05 PM
It's not opening for me :dunno:Could someone post a pic. I don't have FB. ThanksYou don't have to have facebook, just click the link and it shows up.
Says I have to login
I can't see it either. No FB account.
Post by: Rainier10 on November 13, 2017, 01:04:56 PM
It's not opening for me :dunno:Could someone post a pic. I don't have FB. ThanksYou don't have to have facebook, just click the link and it shows up.
Says I have to login
I can't see it either. No FB account.
:dunno: I don't have facebook either and it just opened when I clicked on it. There was a screen that opened asking if I wanted to join facebook and I declined. That screen went away and I could watch the video.It's not opening for me :dunno:Could someone post a pic. I don't have FB. ThanksYou don't have to have facebook, just click the link and it shows up.
Says I have to login
Maybe because my wife is on Facebook it recognized my computer and let me see the video.
I can't get there on my phone to screen shot it.
Post by: lokidog on November 13, 2017, 01:07:31 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 13, 2017, 01:09:25 PM
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Post by: quadrafire on November 13, 2017, 01:14:25 PM
Post by: JDHasty on November 13, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
Post by: lord grizzly on November 13, 2017, 01:31:44 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 13, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
The mount itself is pretty good. The blood on the post looks real. The blood at the impact just doesn't look right to me.
If it is a piece of art and the artist is trying to stir emotion I get that. It's just not my thing or what I would put on display in my house.
Post by: Pegasus on November 13, 2017, 01:41:56 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 14, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
*no, this would not be in my house*
Taxidermy is art, and I've seen far more offensive art than this (naked trump anyone?) "the kill" is a part of hunting and I think this is unique and depicts that aspect pretty well. I won't criticize the taxidermy studio for this, the pic shows up a lot better on FB and I think it's pretty good really, for a one off. It's not like a taxi gets a lot of requests to apply fake blood to their mounts so I'll cut them some slack if it isn't perfect, still pretty good though.
I highly doubt the owner of this unique mount has a lot of liberals in his house to sneer at it.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on November 14, 2017, 01:03:14 PM
Post by: Special T on November 14, 2017, 01:04:31 PM
The mount was in Texas, where they couldn't give two squirts of horse piss what a bunch of libs up in Washington think (I know a bunch of Texans, to them we're all liberals - except me, I'm cool)Well said.
*no, this would not be in my house*
Taxidermy is art, and I've seen far more offensive art than this (naked trump anyone?) "the kill" is a part of hunting and I think this is unique and depicts that aspect pretty well. I won't criticize the taxidermy studio for this, the pic shows up a lot better on FB and I think it's pretty good really, for a one off. It's not like a taxi gets a lot of requests to apply fake blood to their mounts so I'll cut them some slack if it isn't perfect, still pretty good though.
I highly doubt the owner of this unique mount has a lot of liberals in his house to sneer at it.
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Post by: Alchase on November 14, 2017, 01:09:43 PM
There is tons of “art” I see that to me just plain sucks.
Would I do that for o my buck, not a chance in heck!
But, it is not my buck.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on November 14, 2017, 01:56:06 PM
I Agree. Sickening mount ..
Post by: KFhunter on November 14, 2017, 02:47:22 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 14, 2017, 03:04:03 PM
" The gore and the depiction of the animal in distress during a lingering death is what moves this from a traditional taxidermy honoring the animal to the distasteful celebration of its suffering. "..........
I Agree. Sickening mount ..
You see a distasteful celebration of a lingering death and suffering, the next guy might see a stark reminder that yes, we hunters do kill animals.
People see high fives, fist pumping, hushed congratulatory whispers, back slaps and hugs - but there's an animal dying in the woods while all that is going on. This mount is a reminder of that. Closing our eyes or sneering at this mount doesn't make that fact go away, ignoring the death part of hunting doesn't make it not happen. So why not show it, talk about it, and use it to encourage clean quick kills so a deer doesn't have time to stop and lick its wounds.
Post by: Skillet on November 14, 2017, 04:06:08 PM
Post by: JDHasty on November 14, 2017, 04:23:56 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on November 14, 2017, 04:46:45 PM
I see what you're saying KF, and it's well put - but regarding this mount as an abomination and accepting that as hunters we kill (and potentially cause the suffering depicted) are two completely different things.
Making a good quick clean kill is of utmost importance to me as a hunter. I've had bad shots (as has everyone) and had animals die a slow death by my hand. It was a sick to my stomach feeling that I wish to never have again. I had a blacktail buck I gut shot let me walk up to him close enough to put the muzzle of my rifle up to him and never run away. That's not a state I would wish to glorify in a mount as a celebration. I don't know anyone who would choose to celebrate their hunt that way.
If you want a reminder of the killing involved in hunting you get that just from a normal taxidermy mount. The animal in your home is dead. Honor it by displaying it in it's fullest glory not like this.
Post by: KFhunter on November 15, 2017, 04:06:11 PM
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Post by: HighlandLofts on November 25, 2017, 02:43:41 AM
Great way to glorify the wrong parts of hunting... :rolleyes:
How is this "glorifying the wrong parts of Hunting"? Not wanting to start a fight....just asking. Couldn't the same statement be made for any mount???? Especially a trophy head / antler mount. Hunting historically has been for sustenance. It has evolved for some to "trophy hunting" which could be construed as "wrong....or purposeless killing for the sake of having big antlers to display" (I don't agree 100% but for argument sake).
Though this mount is not for everyone.....it depicts an archery killed deer. This is reality, deer get killed with arrows. Deer bleed, deer lick wounds, deer die and some deer get mounted to be placed on display in peoples homes. So as for "glorifying the wrong parts of hunting....." I disagree whole heartedly. Not for everyone....I definitely get. Not for the internet....well to each their own. Anti's are not fond of any mount so at which point are we going to stop catering to them?
This goes off in the direction of them taking down all of the statutes back east. When is it going to STOP?