Post by: GreggHunts2hard4u on November 14, 2017, 03:17:28 PM
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Post by: Naches Sportsman on November 14, 2017, 03:55:39 PM
Post by: doyourtime89 on November 14, 2017, 04:03:31 PM
Post by: slowhand on November 14, 2017, 04:23:51 PM
When do the Regs come out again? March?
Post by: trophyhunt on November 14, 2017, 04:26:23 PM
Hopefully the units down here get the same treatment. Make antler less permit only until the herd rebounds again.They should also shut down deer hunting completely in the 346, bucks also! I know a certain tribe won't abide but that deer herd sucks.
Post by: vandeman17 on November 14, 2017, 04:27:35 PM
Post by: Whitpirate on November 14, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
Ok with me. There were more archery hunters than modern hunters this year.
Two fires in other historically heavily hunted archery units didn't help with concentration.
Post by: elkoholic1 on November 14, 2017, 04:56:37 PM
Post by: greenhead_killer on November 14, 2017, 05:45:01 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on November 14, 2017, 05:55:06 PM
This is great news! What a zoo it’s turned into the last few years. Unbelievable what people will do to kill/hunt elk. Go to permit only on cows early and give them a break. True spike sucks plain and simple. I wished they would go to spike again though.:yeah: :tup:
Post by: jstone on November 15, 2017, 11:27:01 AM
Post by: MADMAX on November 15, 2017, 11:29:10 AM
depends where though
too bad, I liked it where we hunted
Post by: time2hunt on November 15, 2017, 11:33:35 AM
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Post by: stickslinger on November 15, 2017, 07:36:55 PM
Post by: Stein on November 15, 2017, 07:56:21 PM
Post by: Hot Lunch on November 15, 2017, 09:35:33 PM
How about we close at least half of the roads up there and give the elk a chance of escapement. It has turned into a 3 season zoo for sure and the elk don't have enough country to hide in
I would fully support closing at least half the roads up there. Driving every where and seeing animals is what makes this place so popular.
Post by: Rainier10 on November 15, 2017, 10:04:45 PM
Post by: stickslinger on November 16, 2017, 07:22:50 AM
Post by: ballpark on November 16, 2017, 07:42:31 AM
How about we close at least half of the roads up there and give the elk a chance of escapement. It has turned into a 3 season zoo for sure and the elk don't have enough country to hide in
As most of you know the east side only has 2 green dot roads from Beacon Ridge east to the Columbia, but that does not deter the ATV'r. That is one of the most frustrating things that happen when your off the road or behind a "No motor vehicles past this point" or "No unathorized vehicles permitted" sign and you see ATV tracks. :bash:
Post by: jstone on November 16, 2017, 08:47:27 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 16, 2017, 09:40:17 AM
Post by: woodswalker on November 16, 2017, 01:11:09 PM
How about we close at least half of the roads up there and give the elk a chance of escapement. It has turned into a 3 season zoo for sure and the elk don't have enough country to hide in
As most of you know the east side only has 2 green dot roads from Beacon Ridge east to the Columbia, but that does not deter the ATV'r. That is one of the most frustrating things that happen when your off the road or behind a "No motor vehicles past this point" or "No unathorized vehicles permitted" sign and you see ATV tracks. :bash:
I have photos of that repeatedly occurring...even some hauling elk out.
Post by: GreggHunts2hard4u on November 16, 2017, 06:43:38 PM
Post by: greenhead_killer on November 16, 2017, 07:34:54 PM
Post by: saylean on November 16, 2017, 08:04:51 PM
This is great news! What a zoo it’s turned into the last few years. Unbelievable what people will do to kill/hunt elk. Go to permit only on cows early and give them a break. True spike sucks plain and simple. I wished they would go to spike again though.
100% agree
Post by: bowman on November 16, 2017, 10:22:36 PM
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Post by: time2hunt on November 17, 2017, 08:52:53 AM
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Post by: cle elum bowhunter on November 18, 2017, 09:56:06 PM
Post by: Band on November 19, 2017, 10:51:08 AM
After getting the squeeze by WDFW and timber companies over the years, making me switch areas several times, it might be time to drop Washington elk hunting and look out of state if this true spike thing comes to fruition for Colockum archery.
Post by: stickslinger on November 19, 2017, 04:21:57 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on November 19, 2017, 07:21:18 PM
Post by: MADMAX on November 21, 2017, 05:09:37 AM
This is not welcome news to me. I made the switch to Colockum this year, did plenty of scouting, learned the elk travel patterns in the area, and got lots of trail cam pics. Plenty of cows and 6-point bulls, a few spikes (only 1 of which was a true spike), and zero raghorns. During the season I had 9 close encounters with elk, most of which included cows and big bulls, and no spikes (true or otherwise) seen. Not sure I want to waste my time when legal animals are so few and far between.
After getting the squeeze by WDFW and timber companies over the years, making me switch areas several times, it might be time to drop Washington elk hunting and look out of state if this true spike thing comes to fruition for Colockum archery.
:yeah:
same here
Post by: Wagglyfawn on November 21, 2017, 08:31:33 AM
Post by: time2hunt on November 21, 2017, 08:50:55 AM
You guys keep saying Colockum but I don't see a unit by that name. Are you referring to the Naneum/Quilomene units?Yes
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Post by: Hot Lunch on November 26, 2017, 06:56:49 PM
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Post by: winshooter88 on November 29, 2017, 01:42:39 AM
I spoke with a game warden during my quilomene deer hunt last week. Some how ended up on this topic. I mentioned how hard it is to get away from the roads in both the Naneum and the Quilomene. He said hunter's who feel this way need to get involved. He said there is a very active Jeep group around Ellensburg and they fight to get more roads open. He used the road which goes through Ginko State Park as an example. For those who don't know, you can fill out a pass and then call a number for the gate combo. The road takes you from Recreation Rd through the State Park and back onto public land. That road is open because of the Jeep group fighting for it.
It's not just the jeep clubs, but also certain members of the Kittitas Field and Stream Club, if you don't believe it get the minutes from the Nanuem Ridge to Columbia River Recreation Planning meetings. Another example is the road down the bottom of either Tekison or Stray Glutch, the WDFW decommissioned it and the KFSC got their county commissioners and state representative to push through rules that required a new road to be built up the same draw at a cost of $25,000.00. They fight any idea of closing roads to help the wildlife in both the Quilomene and the Nanuem and have for years and years. This can all be proved by public records.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 29, 2017, 05:17:00 AM
Post by: TriggerMike on November 30, 2017, 12:05:51 PM
Post by: howlow on November 30, 2017, 07:49:16 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on December 01, 2017, 07:21:19 PM
The tag allocation is set by hunter success rates. So all the types of weapons are close to same percentage at success ratesWell you either just made that up or someone lied to you lol because the archery success rate in district 8 was more than double that of modern firearm and muzzleloader last year. And in GMU 328, specifically, archery success was 5 times higher than muzzy and 3 times higher than mod fire. And this year, with cow tags cut much more drastically than last year, the success rate for archery will be even more skewed.
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Post by: snake on December 01, 2017, 07:34:05 PM
Post by: TriggerMike on December 01, 2017, 07:41:53 PM
I disagree on the road closure theory. Its part of the problem. Open up more roads across the state. If there are too many cows in the pasture you give them more pasture. Closing roads and areas only compounds the problem.Someone could just as easily argue that if you're the type of hunter who sticks to the roads, then yes your problem could be compounded. But if you're the type that hikes in a few miles, you're pretty much solving the problem.
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Post by: snake on December 01, 2017, 07:55:02 PM
In a perfect world there closing all the roads would cause everyone to hike in a few miles and it would be great. Unfortunately that is not the case with the majority of hunters. Closing more roads and areas only compounds the problem and in turn causes other areas to become over crowded, creating a cycle. I see the same problem with the states salmon/ steelhead fisheries. A certain river or place gets too crowded so they close it down thinking that will solve the problem, doesn't help, people just go somewhere else and get that place closed because it turns into a zoo. I have had this conversation with many biologists on both hunting and fishing. I say open more roads and more rivers. BTW I am a back country hunter, not a road hunter.I disagree on the road closure theory. Its part of the problem. Open up more roads across the state. If there are too many cows in the pasture you give them more pasture. Closing roads and areas only compounds the problem.Someone could just as easily argue that if you're the type of hunter who sticks to the roads, then yes your problem could be compounded. But if you're the type that hikes in a few miles, you're pretty much solving the problem.
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Post by: hughjorgan on December 01, 2017, 08:58:12 PM
Post by: winshooter88 on December 01, 2017, 10:22:29 PM
Just so you know most of the Colockum/Nanuem area is owned by DNR, WDFW and private parties. USFS has a few parcels but not that much, they do have allot of land north of these areas.
Post by: hughjorgan on December 01, 2017, 11:25:01 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on December 01, 2017, 11:42:50 PM
It only compounds the problem for the lazy that don’t want to get out and walk. Besides hunting the back country or wilderness it is hard to get a mile from any road. Wdfw should be working proactively with the USFS and close more roads for escapement in the colockum and other units from Ellensburg to Yakima.
Nice statement. >:(
:bash: :bash: What about an elderly hunter? or Disabled hunter? Are they lazy too?
Think before you post :rolleyes:
Post by: deerlick on December 02, 2017, 08:28:16 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on December 02, 2017, 10:04:30 AM
It only compounds the problem for the lazy that don’t want to get out and walk. Besides hunting the back country or wilderness it is hard to get a mile from any road. Wdfw should be working proactively with the USFS and close more roads for escapement in the colockum and other units from Ellensburg to Yakima.
Nice statement. >:(
:bash: :bash: What about an elderly hunter? or Disabled hunter? Are they lazy too?
Think before you post :rolleyes:
There are already designated areas for handicap hunters. I don't know about the colockum but where I hunt there are two areas for them and guess where all the elk like to hang out?
Think before I post? Shall I use some cute emoticons to emphasize what I am going to say now like you did? Nah, I don't need to. The way you come across in what you posted, makes me think you don't think elderly hunters are capable of hunting any other way than from a vehicle, same goes for disabled folks. These folks are still very capable individuals and can still use the same areas whether there is a road to drive on or not. They may not be able to go as far as they once did but they still have access to the area. I see no reason why we can't close down a lot of spur roads that go to no where to provide better escapement and hunting for future generations. Another thing roads seem to do is make it real easy for natives to run up in the colockum and other areas and shoot big Bulls. One individual comes to mind when you think of the colockum doesn't it? ...whitefoot
Post by: Stickerbush on December 02, 2017, 10:41:39 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on December 02, 2017, 11:25:36 AM
Is this rumor even confirmed by a credible source? What's the reason, has harvest been too high?
I believe there was a survey a few months back that was worded as such that they were proposing taking cows away from archery hunters, not just in the colockum if I remember right.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on December 02, 2017, 08:43:19 PM
It only compounds the problem for the lazy that don’t want to get out and walk. Besides hunting the back country or wilderness it is hard to get a mile from any road. Wdfw should be working proactively with the USFS and close more roads for escapement in the colockum and other units from Ellensburg to Yakima.
Nice statement. >:(
:bash: :bash: What about an elderly hunter? or Disabled hunter? Are they lazy too?
Think before you post :rolleyes:
There are already designated areas for handicap hunters. I don't know about the colockum but where I hunt there are two areas for them and guess where all the elk like to hang out?
Think before I post? Shall I use some cute emoticons to emphasize what I am going to say now like you did? Nah, I don't need to. The way you come across in what you posted, makes me think you don't think elderly hunters are capable of hunting any other way than from a vehicle, same goes for disabled folks. These folks are still very capable individuals and can still use the same areas whether there is a road to drive on or not. They may not be able to go as far as they once did but they still have access to the area. I see no reason why we can't close down a lot of spur roads that go to no where to provide better escapement and hunting for future generations. Another thing roads seem to do is make it real easy for natives to run up in the colockum and other areas and shoot big Bulls. One individual comes to mind when you think of the colockum doesn't it? ...whitefoot
The way I come across???? I am not the one calling people names, I am not the one who is assuming what you think I meant(reality is that many folks are not able to walk far from a road) do they deserve less opportunity than the young and able bodied?
I am not the one "throwing spears" at the natives.
Enlighten us on how "they still have access to the areas" when roads are closed.
PS, :bash: :bash: :bash: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: ;) ;) ;) :tung: :tung: :tung: :P :P :P :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Post by: hughjorgan on December 02, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
It only compounds the problem for the lazy that don’t want to get out and walk. Besides hunting the back country or wilderness it is hard to get a mile from any road. Wdfw should be working proactively with the USFS and close more roads for escapement in the colockum and other units from Ellensburg to Yakima.
Nice statement. >:(
:bash: :bash: What about an elderly hunter? or Disabled hunter? Are they lazy too?
Think before you post :rolleyes:
There are already designated areas for handicap hunters. I don't know about the colockum but where I hunt there are two areas for them and guess where all the elk like to hang out?
Think before I post? Shall I use some cute emoticons to emphasize what I am going to say now like you did? Nah, I don't need to. The way you come across in what you posted, makes me think you don't think elderly hunters are capable of hunting any other way than from a vehicle, same goes for disabled folks. These folks are still very capable individuals and can still use the same areas whether there is a road to drive on or not. They may not be able to go as far as they once did but they still have access to the area. I see no reason why we can't close down a lot of spur roads that go to no where to provide better escapement and hunting for future generations. Another thing roads seem to do is make it real easy for natives to run up in the colockum and other areas and shoot big Bulls. One individual comes to mind when you think of the colockum doesn't it? ...whitefoot
The way I come across???? I am not the one calling people names, I am not the one who is assuming what you think I meant(reality is that many folks are not able to walk far from a road) do they deserve less opportunity than the young and able bodied?
I am not the one "throwing spears" at the natives.
Enlighten us on how "they still have access to the areas" when roads are closed.
PS, :bash: :bash: :bash: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: ;) ;) ;) :tung: :tung: :tung: :P :P :P :: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Well I am not going to hi jack this thread just because you don’t agree with my opinion to argue my point. It isn’t going to hurt anyone to close some roads for the betterment of the herds. There is thousands of miles of forest road out there to drive so enjoy it. :tup:
Post by: stickslinger on December 03, 2017, 12:13:43 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on January 24, 2018, 04:20:37 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 24, 2018, 04:37:57 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 24, 2018, 04:40:55 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/2018-2020/index.php
Post by: hughjorgan on January 24, 2018, 04:42:58 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 24, 2018, 04:44:17 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,223652.msg2974636/topicseen.html#new
Let's try to keep this one just on the colockum cow topic.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 24, 2018, 04:50:37 PM
They gave out 100 cow permits for early season archery. Ok
They doubled the muzzy cow permits. Really?
And they increased modern firearm cow permits by 2 1/2 times. :yike:
Post by: hughjorgan on January 24, 2018, 05:22:50 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 24, 2018, 05:25:51 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on January 24, 2018, 05:31:20 PM
Post by: MADMAX on January 24, 2018, 06:08:14 PM
Finally in an area we liked with plenty of cows for archery and uh uh
No more
Screwed up state BS
It wasn’t so long ago they were sqwacking about too many elk in the herd
Jeez
Post by: Pinetar on January 24, 2018, 06:21:03 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
It had more to do with the department thinks that the archery hunters were pushing all the elk down low onto private land and causing too much damage early in the season. They feel that if they take away the cow tags for archery their won't be as many archers and the elk will stay up high and not disperse to private lands early in the season.Where did you hear that? It makes sense. I think I will go to the commission meeting and see if I can get an explanation. I assumed when it was rumored that it was changing that it was because they had achieved their population goal. The increase in cow permits throws that out the window.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 24, 2018, 07:40:44 PM
So let me see if I got this straight. They eliminated OTC cow hunting in the colockum. Ok
They gave out 100 cow permits for early season archery. Ok
They doubled the muzzy cow permits. Really?
And they increased modern firearm cow permits by 2 1/2 times. :yike:
The archery guys normally don't harvest enough animals to keep heard numbers where the bios want them. The other two used groups do a better job of harvesting. So I'm told?
Post by: MADMAX on January 24, 2018, 07:53:37 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on January 24, 2018, 08:03:18 PM
So let me see if I got this straight. They eliminated OTC cow hunting in the colockum. Ok
They gave out 100 cow permits for early season archery. Ok
They doubled the muzzy cow permits. Really?
And they increased modern firearm cow permits by 2 1/2 times. :yike:
The archery guys normally don't harvest enough animals to keep heard numbers where the bios want them. The other two used groups do a better job of harvesting. So I'm told?
That was my understanding as well. Archery hunters were never to be used as a tool to control herd numbers nor did we take enough animals to affect the herds health. Now there saying there isn't enough surplus animals in the herd to sustain the same harvest for archery hunters? The wdfw had increased antler less elk permits in central washington for a number of years for modern firearm to reduce the herd size. Throw in a couple of bad winters and the elk herd isn't doing so well. Seems to me like poor management.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 24, 2018, 08:15:56 PM
So let me see if I got this straight. They eliminated OTC cow hunting in the colockum. Ok
They gave out 100 cow permits for early season archery. Ok
They doubled the muzzy cow permits. Really?
And they increased modern firearm cow permits by 2 1/2 times. :yike:
The archery guys normally don't harvest enough animals to keep heard numbers where the bios want them. The other two used groups do a better job of harvesting. So I'm told?
That was my understanding as well. Archery hunters were never to be used as a tool to control herd numbers nor did we take enough animals to affect the herds health. Now there saying there isn't enough surplus animals in the herd to sustain the same harvest for archery hunters? The wdfw had increased antler less elk permits in central washington for a number of years for modern firearm to reduce the herd size. Throw in a couple of bad winters and the elk herd isn't doing so well. Seems to me like poor management.
:yeah: :yeah: :bash:
Post by: greenhead_killer on January 24, 2018, 09:09:42 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 25, 2018, 05:24:34 AM
I was a pretty consistent true spike killer.....until they went OTC for cows up there, turned it into a zoo. IMO
Post by: trophyhunt on January 25, 2018, 06:13:40 AM
Hopefully the units down here get the same treatment. Make antler less permit only until the herd rebounds again.And how do we control or even keep track of native harvest in the yakima area? We can only control the non native hunting or should I say, restrict. Archery guys/gals are taking it in the behind by taking away the cow hunt during the early season. Spike only for archery in the nile and bumping is a joke of a season, just call it camping. And putting more rifle and muzzy permits while taking away from the archery otc is just a slap in the face.
Post by: vandeman17 on January 25, 2018, 09:06:53 AM
Hopefully the units down here get the same treatment. Make antler less permit only until the herd rebounds again.And how do we control or even keep track of native harvest in the yakima area? We can only control the non native hunting or should I say, restrict. Archery guys/gals are taking it in the behind by taking away the cow hunt during the early season. Spike only for archery in the nile and bumping is a joke of a season, just call it camping. And putting more rifle and muzzy permits while taking away from the archery otc is just a slap in the face.
:yeah: x100
Post by: jstone on January 25, 2018, 09:30:34 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 25, 2018, 10:03:31 AM
Knew something like this would happen as soon as they started giving out 500 cow permits to rifle and muzzy. It won’t take long to meet there objectives. Just poor management. I see It in my job, Hire people at the top that don’t know what they are doing.That may be the case in the Yakima units but as far as 328/329 go the herd objectives are still able to take the higher cow permits. They just shifted the cow harvest from archers having OTC opportunity to doubling the the muzzy and modern cow tags. That tells me they want cows harvested, just not so many of them by the archers.
Post by: follow maggie on January 25, 2018, 09:11:30 PM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on January 25, 2018, 09:21:17 PM
Post by: Duckhunter14 on January 26, 2018, 10:07:54 AM
In 328 & 329 cows are open for archery in the late season.
And ever since they let the "Master" hunters massacre them, the late archery hunt is a barren waste land.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 26, 2018, 10:30:59 AM
Pretty sure they moved east. Now they have issues with lots of elk getting killed on I90 at Vantage. The elk weren't in such high numbers there until they got pushed out of the 3911. I believe that was the purpose of the 3911. They just didn't realize that pushing them out of the farmers fields was going to have an adverse affect on the interstate traffic. More elk from that herd were killed last year along that stretch of hiway than were taken by master hunters is my guess if you do records request.
Post by: Duckhunter14 on January 26, 2018, 10:42:11 AM
Pretty sure they moved east. Now they have issues with lots of elk getting killed on I90 at Vantage. The elk weren't in such high numbers there until they got pushed out of the 3911. I believe that was the purpose of the 3911. They just didn't realize that pushing them out of the farmers fields was going to have an adverse affect on the interstate traffic. More elk from that herd were killed last year along that stretch of hiway than were taken by master hunters is my guess if you do records request.
Agreed, and there is no late archery elk hunt in that unit.