Post by: CP on December 09, 2017, 09:49:16 AM
Post by: jrebel on December 09, 2017, 09:58:03 AM
I own and reload for both.
Post by: CP on December 09, 2017, 10:00:56 AM
Post by: Skillet on December 09, 2017, 10:03:45 AM
Post by: jrebel on December 09, 2017, 10:06:33 AM
That's a lot of barrel; I was thinking more like a 20". Are longer barrels needed for the 6.5?
If you want to maximize velocities. 24 is optimal in my opinion.....though some would and will argue this. I am pushing 2730 fps with 140 grain acccubond and accuracy is sub moa. Consistent sub 1" groups at 300 yards. 24" barrel. My friends 20" barrel is only producing 2350-2400 fps for his sweet spot on accuracy.
Post by: jrebel on December 09, 2017, 10:07:01 AM
For a 20" barrel I really like the 7-08. :twocents:
:yeah:
Post by: Skillet on December 09, 2017, 10:14:04 AM
That's a lot of barrel; I was thinking more like a 20". Are longer barrels needed for the 6.5?
If you want to maximize velocities. 24 is optimal in my opinion.....though some would and will argue this. I am pushing 2730 fps with 140 grain acccubond and accuracy is sub moa. Consistent sub 1" groups at 300 yards. 24" barrel. My friends 20" barrel is only producing 2350-2400 fps for his sweet spot on accuracy.
Great info here. Do you have or reload for a 20" 7-08 jrebel? What are you seeing for that combo's sweet spot?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 09, 2017, 10:14:59 AM
Post by: jrebel on December 09, 2017, 10:17:54 AM
That's a lot of barrel; I was thinking more like a 20". Are longer barrels needed for the 6.5?
If you want to maximize velocities. 24 is optimal in my opinion.....though some would and will argue this. I am pushing 2730 fps with 140 grain acccubond and accuracy is sub moa. Consistent sub 1" groups at 300 yards. 24" barrel. My friends 20" barrel is only producing 2350-2400 fps for his sweet spot on accuracy.
Great info here. Do you have or reload for a 20" 7-08 jrebel? What are you seeing for that combo's sweet spot?
I do but I have not chrono'd the load. It is my wife's gun so it is a light load for Max range of 200-250 yards. I have another 7mm-08 I will be loading for Max loads / velocity with accuracy being the primary goal. I will start a thread when I begin this project.
Post by: buglebuster on December 09, 2017, 10:57:10 AM
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Post by: Timberstalker on December 09, 2017, 11:05:01 AM
Post by: jrebel on December 09, 2017, 11:48:46 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 09, 2017, 11:52:54 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on December 09, 2017, 11:54:21 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 09, 2017, 04:56:07 PM
I don't get it? :dunno:I guess a creedmoor will have your rethinking your sexuality like bruce jenner ???? Don't know don't have one ( do have a Lapua tho should I be worried ? )
Post by: Dan-o on December 09, 2017, 06:07:46 PM
They'll go the way of the pet rock and the lava lamp.
Definitely get the 7MM-08.
Post by: highside74 on December 09, 2017, 06:18:12 PM
6.5's are a fad.
They'll go the way of the pet rock and the lava lamp.
Definitely get the 7MM-08.
6.5 is not a fad. I love the 7mm-08 but the 6.5 has it by a hair or more in every way. I'm shooting a 143gr at 2750 fps with a 22 inch barrel. It is so tame and easy to shoot. I can put 40 rounds down range and not feel like I had the crap kicked out of me like a lot of other calibers. And the ballistics are out of this world.
Post by: JBar on December 09, 2017, 07:18:51 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 10, 2017, 07:45:37 AM
That being said I'm still going to buy a 7-08.... cause, well, why not.
Post by: jrebel on December 10, 2017, 08:31:50 AM
I was in the same dilemma a couple months ago...have a thread on here somewhere...went 6.5 and love it...that gun can flat out shot.
That being said I'm still going to buy a 7-08.... cause, well, why not.
Best answer yet!!!! Both......because you can.
Post by: Widgeondeke on December 10, 2017, 08:47:08 AM
I'm with highside, I avg 2720 with factory ammo from 22 barrel. Incredibly accurate and lighter recoil than a 7-08 IMO.
@Jbar
@highside74
I just picked up 2 of the TC Compass rifles in 6.5 cm. Got one for me and one for the boy @MTBvenison
Can't beat a new rifle for $200 after rebate
Still looking at optics, but what factory ammo are you running? I plan to try a few types, but experience helps with my search.
Thanx,
Post by: JBar on December 10, 2017, 08:55:44 AM
Post by: CP on December 10, 2017, 09:12:52 AM
I'm with highside, I avg 2720 with factory ammo from 22 barrel. Incredibly accurate and lighter recoil than a 7-08 IMO.
@Jbar
@highside74
I just picked up 2 of the TC Compass rifles in 6.5 cm. Got one for me and one for the boy @MTBvenison
Can't beat a new rifle for $200 after rebate
Still looking at optics, but what factory ammo are you running? I plan to try a few types, but experience helps with my search.
Thanx,
Where did you buy the TCs?
Post by: highside74 on December 10, 2017, 09:53:48 AM
Hornady Precision
Winchester Expedition
HSM
Browning BXR
HSM and Winchester Expedition shot the best with Hornady a close 3rd. Browning didn't impress me. HSM was quite a bit more so I would buy Winchester or Hornady again if I needed to.
My hand loads are 143gr ELDX with 42gr of RL-17 and they shoot great.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 10, 2017, 09:59:34 AM
Post by: Dan-o on December 10, 2017, 11:35:14 AM
Both are great chamberings.
Merry Christmas, one and all!!!!!
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 10, 2017, 11:35:52 AM
My hand loads are 143gr ELDX with 42gr of RL-17 and they shoot great.
That's the same load I shoot. about 116 FPS faster than the same charge with H4350 and spooky accurate. Great bullet to boot!
Post by: Widgeondeke on December 10, 2017, 11:38:24 AM
I'm with highside, I avg 2720 with factory ammo from 22 barrel. Incredibly accurate and lighter recoil than a 7-08 IMO.
@Jbar
@highside74
I just picked up 2 of the TC Compass rifles in 6.5 cm. Got one for me and one for the boy @MTBvenison
Can't beat a new rifle for $200 after rebate
Still looking at optics, but what factory ammo are you running? I plan to try a few types, but experience helps with my search.
Thanx,
Where did you buy the TCs?
@CP
Cabela's On cyber Monday
Had them for $300 after tax, plus $75 rebate. Rebate good on purchases made til 12.31.17
Pretty sure they are on sale again right now. Just a bit more $$
Post by: Widgeondeke on December 10, 2017, 12:08:35 PM
http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/browse/bolt-action-centerfire-rifles/_/N-1114860/No-0/Ns-CATEGORY_SEQ_105523380?recordsPerPage=18&CQ_ref=~brand-Thompson%2BCenter&CQ_ztype=GNU
$300 + tax now then $75 Rebate
Thanks for cartridge info guys.
The Federal Accubonds and Hornady ELDX were already on my short list :tup:
As for the OP, don't think there is a wrong answer.
I got the TC for 2 reasons: same 3 way safety as my Winchester and of course the price ;)
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 10, 2017, 01:50:04 PM
I was only teasing when I said the 6.5 is a fad.
Both are great chamberings.
Merry Christmas, one and all!!!!!
This statement coming from the guy cruising a hummer with big 24" inch chrome rims and skinny tires with blacked out windows and stereo system so loud you can hear it a mile away. :chuckle:
Post by: Dan-o on December 10, 2017, 02:56:16 PM
I was only teasing when I said the 6.5 is a fad.
Both are great chamberings.
Merry Christmas, one and all!!!!!
This statement coming from the guy cruising a hummer with big 24" inch chrome rims and skinny tires with blacked out windows and stereo system so loud you can hear it a mile away. :chuckle:
Yo.
Don't hate the player.... hate the game.
Besides, the Hummer blew up while driving to deer hunting this year.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 10, 2017, 03:02:01 PM
I was only teasing when I said the 6.5 is a fad.
Both are great chamberings.
Merry Christmas, one and all!!!!!
This statement coming from the guy cruising a hummer with big 24" inch chrome rims and skinny tires with blacked out windows and stereo system so loud you can hear it a mile away. :chuckle:
Yo.
Don't hate the player.... hate the game.
Besides, the Hummer blew up while driving to deer hunting this year.
Anti hunters IED... :chuckle:
Post by: CP on December 11, 2017, 01:03:35 PM
Link for current sale
http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/browse/bolt-action-centerfire-rifles/_/N-1114860/No-0/Ns-CATEGORY_SEQ_105523380?recordsPerPage=18&CQ_ref=~brand-Thompson%2BCenter&CQ_ztype=GNU
$300 + tax now then $75 Rebate
Thanks, that's quite a deal. Now I need some new dies, bullets, powder, brass ...
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on December 13, 2017, 04:10:16 PM
Post by: Alchase on December 13, 2017, 05:52:32 PM
I was only teasing when I said the 6.5 is a fad.
Both are great chamberings.
Merry Christmas, one and all!!!!!
This statement coming from the guy cruising a hummer with big 24" inch chrome rims and skinny tires with blacked out windows and stereo system so loud you can hear it a mile away. :chuckle:
Squatch Mobile :dunno:
Post by: Bookworm007 on December 15, 2017, 07:08:41 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 15, 2017, 08:17:55 PM
Post by: yakimanoob on December 18, 2017, 11:53:29 AM
At average hunting shot distances, the animal taking the hit isn't going to know the difference. Shoot whatever floats your boat. I shoot what I want, I could careless what the next guy shoots.:yeah:
That said, I have the 7mm-08 Savage 16 lightweight hunter, and I can't say enough about how great it is. I've never owned a 6.5 and probably would love it just as much though.
(You're welcome for being so helpful :chuckle:)
Post by: squires14 on December 20, 2017, 01:24:00 PM
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Post by: mountainman on December 21, 2017, 03:51:41 PM
:tup:flavors of the day👍
Post by: fish vacuum on December 21, 2017, 09:39:41 PM
:tup:Lol. Let me tell you about my 6.5 creed while I put on my Kuiu gear.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 22, 2017, 08:53:15 AM
Post by: slm9s on December 27, 2017, 06:12:47 PM
I will vote 65CM though, plenty for deer and a little less recoil.
Post by: Utah on December 31, 2017, 11:26:57 PM
Post by: spoonman on January 01, 2018, 07:26:18 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 01, 2018, 09:00:20 AM
Post by: jrebel on January 01, 2018, 09:57:17 AM
Buy both.................
BINGO!!!! WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!
Post by: bobcat on January 01, 2018, 10:11:13 AM
same/same
:yeah:
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 11, 2018, 09:19:41 PM
The 6 & 6.5’s now dominate competitive shooting. Don’t see that as a fad going away til something better arrives.
Far from a fad. The 6.5 Creedmoor is HUGE! With impressive backing from Firearms manufactures to the ammo producers. It's here to stay! It's only going to get bigger.
Post by: Skillet on January 11, 2018, 10:00:07 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 11, 2018, 10:04:24 PM
I wonder why the 260 never got this kind of marketing and press? 6 of one, half dozen of the other as far as I can tell. Maybe even in favor of the 260.
:yeah:
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 11, 2018, 10:10:51 PM
The .260 is a exellent cartridge. When I built my first custom .260 years back in a 8 twist and ran the 95gr SST for Chucks. Some serious hits at those RPM's!!
Post by: Skillet on January 11, 2018, 10:31:04 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 11, 2018, 10:34:49 PM
Post by: Skillet on January 11, 2018, 10:41:10 PM
Post by: mountainman on January 12, 2018, 12:00:08 AM
I suppose those are actual benefits... But I suspect the actual, perceivable advantage is to be able to say "I'm runnin' a 6.5 Creedmoor" to your buddies. And the guy on the next bench at the range. And the guy on the other side of him. And the guys at the bar. And the bartender. And the guy taking your order at Jack in the Box on the way home from the bar. And your wife when you finally get home. And the dog sleeping next to you on the couch...Funny stuff there👍. But some truth too!
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 12, 2018, 12:18:19 AM
I suppose those are actual benefits... But I suspect the actual, perceivable advantage is to be able to say "I'm runnin' a 6.5 Creedmoor" to your buddies. And the guy on the next bench at the range. And the guy on the other side of him. And the guys at the bar. And the bartender. And the guy taking your order at Jack in the Box on the way home from the bar. And your wife when you finally get home. And the dog sleeping next to you on the couch...
OK now I really do want one......
Post by: NW SURVEYOR on January 12, 2018, 06:14:43 AM
The 6.5 is a FAD, look at the .264 Mag- DEAD.
Long live the 7mm.
Post by: Curly on January 12, 2018, 07:03:29 AM
Go with the 7mm Creedmoor......... :tup:
Post by: jrebel on January 12, 2018, 07:17:42 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 12, 2018, 08:17:04 AM
Neither.:yike:
Go with the 7mm Creedmoor......... :tup:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 12, 2018, 08:31:59 AM
Or the 6.5x300wby....now that sounds cool and will out perform both listed cartridges!!The low recoil of the 6.5 is attractive - behind somethng like the 300 Bee case u lose that.
Post by: jrebel on January 12, 2018, 09:33:09 AM
Or the 6.5x300wby....now that sounds cool and will out perform both listed cartridges!!The low recoil of the 6.5 is attractive - behind somethng like the 300 Bee case u lose that.
Not if you have a 12lb rifle with a break. Then it is a *censored*cat. :tup:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 12, 2018, 11:41:03 AM
I hear ya on that. But 12# is a beast to pack, and if not packing it wouldn’t a 16# be even better?Or the 6.5x300wby....now that sounds cool and will out perform both listed cartridges!!The low recoil of the 6.5 is attractive - behind somethng like the 300 Bee case u lose that.
Not if you have a 12lb rifle with a break. Then it is a *censored*cat. :tup:
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on January 16, 2018, 10:13:36 PM
Probably less recoil than my standard 300 wby mag due to the smaller pill being pushed. yes you are getting more velocity but with that smaller lighter bullet recoil probably isn't as bad. I really want to shoot a 6.5-300 wby and see if there is a difference. Before my 300 wby got a muzzle break.. it kind of hurt to put 20 rounds of 200 gr barnes tsx with 80 gr of rl22 down range. Now with the break I can comfortable shoot it all day.. and its not a 12 lbs gun lol. My only issue with running the 6.5-300 wby though is how fast it will burn that barrel out! The 300 wby already burns through a barrel relatively quick compared to a lot of other rounds but I do love mine very much! the 6.5 cm I see sticking around though. It has pulled too much of a following to go away. Even if it did magically fall short for the hunting crowd the long range competitive shooting scene LOVES the round! Between the 6.5 creedmoor, 6 creedmoor, 6.5x47 lapua, and 6x47 lapua there isn't much competition in the PRS matches anymore caliber wise. The .308 they have deemed has too much recoil and most .308 bullets don't have as high of BC as the 6.5 bullets do. There are a few but they are few and far between.I hear ya on that. But 12# is a beast to pack, and if not packing it wouldn’t a 16# be even better?Not if you have a 12lb rifle with a break. Then it is a *censored*cat. :tup:Or the 6.5x300wby....now that sounds cool and will out perform both listed cartridges!!The low recoil of the 6.5 is attractive - behind somethng like the 300 Bee case u lose that.
Post by: mountainman on January 18, 2018, 08:32:14 AM
most can lose 5-10#'s around the waist before hunting season..then the extra rifle weight is a wash👍right? Lol!I hear ya on that. But 12# is a beast to pack, and if not packing it wouldn’t a 16# be even better?Or the 6.5x300wby....now that sounds cool and will out perform both listed cartridges!!The low recoil of the 6.5 is attractive - behind somethng like the 300 Bee case u lose that.
Not if you have a 12lb rifle with a break. Then it is a *censored*cat. :tup:
Post by: bullfisher on January 18, 2018, 10:59:45 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 18, 2018, 08:28:29 PM
Run what you brung!👍👍👍👍
Post by: rudysts on January 18, 2018, 08:50:46 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 18, 2018, 08:56:41 PM
I was never impressed with the 6.5 creed was more impressed with the 6.5 x 47 but now I have a change of heart when I seen a few creeds loaded with RL16 and the Lapua srp brass. velocity @ 2900 fps with 140 pills with extreme accuracy. I now have one being built by Alex Wheeler https://www.wheeleraccuracy.com/ it should be ready in a couple weeks. the 7mm 08 is fully capable but if i'm gonna shoot a 7 of some sort I would choose a cartridge that can push a 180 grain pill like a 284 win or a 280 AI.
Well said! 👍👍
Post by: mountainman on January 18, 2018, 08:59:17 PM
I have one of each and the 7-08 gets a slight nod, but has more recoil and takes up more mag length. However, I have a ladder test loaded up in the 7-08 with 162eldx and so far they fit just fine in my ASC mags at about 2.82. If I can get em to fly and cycle right it may become my go to rifle. The load looks good on paper anyway :dunno:I have 2 model 7's for the grandsons, both in 7-08. But my favorite is this lightweight Browning Titanium. For when the range and weight of the "Big Guns" isnt needed. A joy to pack and shoot! And it hovers right at 1/4" on good days👍
Post by: bullfisher on January 19, 2018, 11:45:57 AM
Nothing like rifles far gone and from the past. Hornady has it dialed in and a huge support base. Supper accurate affordable factory ammo. The 7mm-08 has been around for a long time! I have a Remington 700 Classic in the safe. Haven't shot it in 10 or so years. I have three 6.5 Creedmoor's by different manufacturers that shoot half MOA with factory ammo( Hornady, I get it all at cost) and better with handloads. For Hunting both are a great choice. If you want to play the numbers game like most do but will never shoot either far enough to make a difference. The 6.5 Creedmoor smokes the 7-08.
Run what you brung!👍👍👍👍
True, but it takes the 147 eld match to do it in factory ammo. Unfortunately for me, my CM barrel doesn't like the 147's. And its hard to load against what Hornady has already accomplished from the factory on those. But the 162's for the 7-08 should get it there :tup:
I smell something brewing at hornady for the 6.5. Hard to imagine they'd produce the 6.5prc and not introduce a 155 or 160 for it and I know its capable of more than the advertised 147@ 2900.Anyone heard any rumors? If that happens I'll be cleaning out the safe :chuckle: