Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2017, 11:21:52 PM
Two wolves in Eastern Washington were killed in November, likely the victims of poaching.
The wolves were both females. At least one was killed in Stevens County.
According to state officials, the wolves were collared by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. The collar on one of them had stopped working and wildlife officers checked the last known coordinate. They found the wolf shot dead.
“This is beyond sad and disappointing. We work so hard on a fair wolf recovery process that includes everyone so that there's local acceptance. So many interests have put so much into this effort. But one bad apple can do so much damage. It's an unjust irony that the term 'lone wolf' is applied to mass shooters,” said Conservation Northwest Executive Director Mitch Friedman. :puke:
The wolves are members of the Smackout and Dirty Shirt packs.
WDFW currently has no leads for suspects. Conservation Northwest is also offering a $10,000 reward for information about the killings.
Post by: Dan-o on December 09, 2017, 11:30:38 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2017, 11:44:02 PM
Mitch is referring to the "public acceptance" portion of the plan, it never had a chance to be accepted by the public - ever.
Post by: Dan-o on December 09, 2017, 11:53:24 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 10, 2017, 12:28:57 AM
I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......
Hopefully lots
If you think any good will come out of this for hunters, you're crazy. For starters, if it was a collared wolf, any data that might have been gained is lost. They won't be able to track the pack if none of the other wolves are collared. Second, this act will paint all hunters in a bad light and people who would otherwise support hunters will turn against us. At this point, we need all the friends we can get. Third, it will delay any delisting possibility. Fourth, it may result in more restrictions on hunters.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 10, 2017, 12:32:04 AM
I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......
Hopefully lots
If you think any good will come out of this for hunters, you're crazy. For starters, if it was a collared wolf, any data that might have been gained is lost. They won't be able to track the pack if none of the other wolves are collared. Second, this act will paint all hunters in a bad light and people who would otherwise support hunters will turn against us. At this point, we need all the friends we can get. Third, it will delay any delisting possibility. Fourth, it may result in more restrictions on hunters.
How do they know it was illegal? Aren't the natives allowed to hunt them now?
Post by: grundy53 on December 10, 2017, 06:07:28 AM
You actually think they plan on delisting? :chuckle:I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......
Hopefully lots
If you think any good will come out of this for hunters, you're crazy. For starters, if it was a collared wolf, any data that might have been gained is lost. They won't be able to track the pack if none of the other wolves are collared. Second, this act will paint all hunters in a bad light and people who would otherwise support hunters will turn against us. At this point, we need all the friends we can get. Third, it will delay any delisting possibility. Fourth, it may result in more restrictions on hunters.
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Post by: cem3434 on December 10, 2017, 06:30:42 AM
Post by: ironhead14 on December 10, 2017, 06:33:57 AM
I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......Not enough!!!
Post by: cutter on December 10, 2017, 06:50:20 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 10, 2017, 06:51:53 AM
Post by: bigtex on December 10, 2017, 08:03:52 AM
Why do guys on here always think it's a " hunter " and it's going to give said hunters a black eye ? There are others who own guns and do thrill killings to MAKE the hunters look bad. Just sayin'......... They are not hunters in my eyes.Because most of the time it is.
The vast majority of poaching is done by people who have had licenses in the past. Very rarely is it some dude with a gun and he's never had a hunting license.
Does it make hunters look bad? Absolutely! The public sees poaching as a direct result of "bad" hunters. And people on here can say well who cares about the general public, well when it makes the news, you better care about the general public.
Post by: ribka on December 10, 2017, 08:04:37 AM
And when did a self avowed eco terrorist like Mitch Friedman , who has zero background in wildlife management, suddenly become an expert on wolves?
Putting spikes in publically owned trees for 20 years, that injured loggers and destroyed trees, suddenly makes you an instant wildlife management expert? Why does the state even listen to this whacko?
Only in looney Washington
Sitka Blacktail, why do you assume this has anything to do with hunters? I lived and worked around wolves for a few years and there are many excellent reasons to kill every one you see other than protecting deer, elk and moose. Most states had bounties on them when I was young because of the damage they do to the economic interests and safety of people and their property. These insane policies are made by arrogant urban liberals who have never logged, worked on ranches, mined or have done any other type of real work around these large predators that hunt in packs. The most aggravating aspect of it is that many of these people get there paychecks from the tax money taken from hard working Americans who are adversely affected by these policies.
Post by: ribka on December 10, 2017, 08:06:44 AM
When the indians shoot wolves, does that make them look bad too? :dunno:
Does Mitch the eco terrorist come out in the press and condemn them too? :chuckle:
Why do guys on here always think it's a " hunter " and it's going to give said hunters a black eye ? There are others who own guns and do thrill killings to MAKE the hunters look bad. Just sayin'......... They are not hunters in my eyes.Because most of the time it is.
The vast majority of poaching is done by people who have had licenses in the past. Very rarely is it some dude with a gun and he's never had a hunting license.
Does it make hunters look bad? Absolutely! The public sees poaching as a direct result of "bad" hunters. And people on here can say well who cares about the general public, well when it makes the news, you better care about the general public.
Post by: olyguy79 on December 10, 2017, 08:08:17 AM
:yeah: ExactlyWhy do guys on here always think it's a " hunter " and it's going to give said hunters a black eye ? There are others who own guns and do thrill killings to MAKE the hunters look bad. Just sayin'......... They are not hunters in my eyes.Because most of the time it is.
The vast majority of poaching is done by people who have had licenses in the past. Very rarely is it some dude with a gun and he's never had a hunting license.
Does it make hunters look bad? Absolutely! The public sees poaching as a direct result of "bad" hunters. And people on here can say well who cares about the general public, well when it makes the news, you better care about the general public.
Post by: bigtex on December 10, 2017, 08:17:35 AM
The article makes no mention of the circumstances around the wolves being killed, opening it up for speculation.Did you read the article?
Seems like a lot of questions could be asked before jumping to any conclusions:
How does WDFW even know the wolves were shot?
Were they collared?
Were they recovered? Autopsied?
Where were they found? Farm area? Forest?
According to state officials, the wolves were collared by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. The collar on one of them had stopped working and wildlife officers checked the last known coordinate. They found the wolf shot dead.
Post by: Bullkllr on December 10, 2017, 08:50:21 AM
The article makes no mention of the circumstances around the wolves being killed, opening it up for speculation.Did you read the article?
Seems like a lot of questions could be asked before jumping to any conclusions:
How does WDFW even know the wolves were shot?
Were they collared?
Were they recovered? Autopsied?
Where were they found? Farm area? Forest?
Obviously not thoroughly; brain fart.
I deleted my original, hastily-done post.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on December 10, 2017, 09:10:46 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 10, 2017, 09:11:21 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 10, 2017, 09:12:31 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 10, 2017, 09:12:55 AM
When the indians shoot wolves, does that make them look bad too? :dunno:
Does Mitch the eco terrorist come out in the press and condemn them too? :chuckle:Why do guys on here always think it's a " hunter " and it's going to give said hunters a black eye ? There are others who own guns and do thrill killings to MAKE the hunters look bad. Just sayin'......... They are not hunters in my eyes.Because most of the time it is.
The vast majority of poaching is done by people who have had licenses in the past. Very rarely is it some dude with a gun and he's never had a hunting license.
Does it make hunters look bad? Absolutely! The public sees poaching as a direct result of "bad" hunters. And people on here can say well who cares about the general public, well when it makes the news, you better care about the general public.
Of course not. It doesn't fit Mitch's narrative..
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 10, 2017, 09:28:30 AM
Why do guys on here always think it's a " hunter " and it's going to give said hunters a black eye ? There are others who own guns and do thrill killings to MAKE the hunters look bad. Just sayin'......... They are not hunters in my eyes.Because most of the time it is.
The vast majority of poaching is done by people who have had licenses in the past. Very rarely is it some dude with a gun and he's never had a hunting license.
Does it make hunters look bad? Absolutely! The public sees poaching as a direct result of "bad" hunters. And people on here can say well who cares about the general public, well when it makes the news, you better care about the general public.
I disagree. Most likely could of been a rancher protecting his livelihood or a wolf hater of some sort. Having a hunting license, to me, has nothing to do with it. The public only sees what the mainstream media lies about.
Post by: boneaddict on December 10, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
.....wolves are nice
.....wolves don’t hurt deer
.....wolves are nice
.....wolves are good for everyone
.....you should like wolves
.....wolves are nice
Anyone else notice the surge of articles in the news
Post by: Hilltop123 on December 10, 2017, 09:39:19 AM
Feel hypnotized or brainwashed yet...... watch my watch closelyI suspect, someone has some polling that shows the tide is turning. This is their way of pushing back. But it's just a guess on my part, but why else all the recent articles, of this nature. JMTCW
.....wolves are nice
.....wolves don’t hurt deer
.....wolves are nice
.....wolves are good for everyone
.....you should like wolves
.....wolves are nice
Anyone else notice the surge of articles in the news
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 10, 2017, 09:54:47 AM
Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 10, 2017, 10:20:31 AM
Pictures or it didn't happen....
Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.
No pics FAKE NEWS, they’ll do anything to push thier agenda on the state.
Heck for all we know they could have been killed in Idaho, and brought here. Look at what’s going on in our political arena these days with all the fake accusations.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 10, 2017, 10:46:12 AM
I don't think we should justify poaching of any kind
I don't think wolves will ever be delisted, regardless of the care we take to protect them or how fast they multiply
I don't think anyone in the press is ever going to print what's really happening to the poor people, businesses, and ungulates of the NE corner.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 10, 2017, 11:39:00 AM
Sitka Blacktail, why do you assume this has anything to do with hunters? I lived and worked around wolves for a few years and there are many excellent reasons to kill every one you see other than protecting deer, elk and moose. Most states had bounties on them when I was young because of the damage they do to the economic interests and safety of people and their property. These insane policies are made by arrogant urban liberals who have never logged, worked on ranches, mined or have done any other type of real work around these large predators that hunt in packs. The most aggravating aspect of it is that many of these people get there paychecks from the tax money taken from hard working Americans who are adversely affected by these policies.
Most states had bounties on wolves when you were young? When you make a ridiculous statement like that it's hard to take you seriously. Unless you are 150 years old or more.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 10, 2017, 11:45:40 AM
Why do guys on here always think it's a " hunter " and it's going to give said hunters a black eye ? There are others who own guns and do thrill killings to MAKE the hunters look bad. Just sayin'......... They are not hunters in my eyes.
I didn't assume it was hunters. I said it will make hunters look bad. Because the public will assume it was hunters. And "hunters" are on this site saying, "Kill more!" "SSS" or some such drivel. That makes hunters look guilty too. Even if hunters didn't make the kill, those kinds of statements say hunters approve of this kind of poaching.
And when the public perceives hunters of approving or participating in breaking the law, we lose what little influence we have and lose non hunters who don't mind us hunting.
If you don't understand that, we are already lost.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 10, 2017, 11:51:17 AM
Pictures or it didn't happen....
Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.
No pics FAKE NEWS, they’ll do anything to push thier agenda on the state.
Heck for all we know they could have been killed in Idaho, and brought here. Look at what’s going on in our political arena these days with all the fake accusations.
Yah, a wolf that was collared here was shot in Idaho and dumped back here to create chaos with wolf recovery in Washington.............. Do you know how ignorant that sounds?
Post by: huntnphool on December 10, 2017, 11:55:58 AM
I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......
Hopefully lots
If you think any good will come out of this for hunters, you're crazy. For starters, if it was a collared wolf, any data that might have been gained is lost. They won't be able to track the pack if none of the other wolves are collared. Second, this act will paint all hunters in a bad light and people who would otherwise support hunters will turn against us. At this point, we need all the friends we can get. Third, it will delay any delisting possibility. Fourth, it may result in more restrictions on hunters.
I couldn't care less that they lost their data, it's worthless and spun in a biased fashion as far as I'm concerned.
"Second"....Like a typical liberal you instantly put this on "hunters".....post up your evidence that a hunter did this.
"Third", anyone concerned about the deer, elk and moose in this state should be hoping we never reach the numbers point that we are talking about, litigating, delisting.
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2017, 12:08:17 PM
It's an unjust irony that the term 'lone wolf' is applied to mass shooters ~ Mitch Friedman
Why even interject that into the conversation? Show's us a glimpse of where Mitch places these wolves in comparison to human lives taken in heinous mass killings.
Post by: boneaddict on December 10, 2017, 12:21:47 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 10, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......
Hopefully lots
If you think any good will come out of this for hunters, you're crazy. For starters, if it was a collared wolf, any data that might have been gained is lost. They won't be able to track the pack if none of the other wolves are collared. Second, this act will paint all hunters in a bad light and people who would otherwise support hunters will turn against us. At this point, we need all the friends we can get. Third, it will delay any delisting possibility. Fourth, it may result in more restrictions on hunters.
I couldn't care less that they lost their data, it's worthless and spun in a biased fashion as far as I'm concerned.
"Second"....Like a typical liberal you instantly put this on "hunters".....post up your evidence that a hunter did this.
"Third", anyone concerned about the deer, elk and moose in this state should be hoping we never reach the numbers point that we are talking about, litigating, delisting.
Like a typical right wingnut, you twist facts to suit your purpose. First, I'm far from a liberal. But that is irrelevant.
Let's just focus on where I said a hunter did it? No such thing. I said hunters will be blamed for it. Big difference.
As for claiming any data is worthless....... Those collars are used to track wolves and were used to take out problem packs. Is that worthless too?
Post by: Igor on December 10, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 10, 2017, 01:16:03 PM
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 10, 2017, 01:32:52 PM
Pictures or it didn't happen....
Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.
No pics FAKE NEWS, they’ll do anything to push thier agenda on the state.
Heck for all we know they could have been killed in Idaho, and brought here. Look at what’s going on in our political arena these days with all the fake accusations.
Yah, a wolf that was collared here was shot in Idaho and dumped back here to create chaos with wolf recovery in Washington.............. Do you know how ignorant that sounds?
Did you see pics of any wolf that was shot, no, so who knows if a wolf had collar or not.
I don’t put anything past the corruption by the dept, or anyone else in involved with the wolf recovery.
They proven time and again they can’t be trusted.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on December 10, 2017, 01:50:49 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 10, 2017, 01:56:12 PM
I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......
Hopefully lots
If you think any good will come out of this for hunters, you're crazy. For starters, if it was a collared wolf, any data that might have been gained is lost. They won't be able to track the pack if none of the other wolves are collared. Second, this act will paint all hunters in a bad light and people who would otherwise support hunters will turn against us. At this point, we need all the friends we can get. Third, it will delay any delisting possibility. Fourth, it may result in more restrictions on hunters.
I couldn't care less that they lost their data, it's worthless and spun in a biased fashion as far as I'm concerned.
"Second"....Like a typical liberal you instantly put this on "hunters".....post up your evidence that a hunter did this.
"Third", anyone concerned about the deer, elk and moose in this state should be hoping we never reach the numbers point that we are talking about, litigating, delisting.
Like a typical right wingnut, you twist facts to suit your purpose. First, I'm far from a liberal. But that is irrelevant.
Let's just focus on where I said a hunter did it? No such thing. I said hunters will be blamed for it. Big difference.
As for claiming any data is worthless....... Those collars are used to track wolves and were used to take out problem packs. Is that worthless too?
Nice backtrack, "hunters" should never have even been brought into the conversation, except it furthers your never ending defense of WDFW and their predator protection.......and is no accident.
Data from those collars has little to do with those wolves killing cattle, which is what has led to them being taken out. About the only good the collars do is help locate them for removal. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on December 10, 2017, 01:57:16 PM
Pictures or it didn't happen....
Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.
No pics FAKE NEWS, they’ll do anything to push thier agenda on the state.
Heck for all we know they could have been killed in Idaho, and brought here. Look at what’s going on in our political arena these days with all the fake accusations.
Yah, a wolf that was collared here was shot in Idaho and dumped back here to create chaos with wolf recovery in Washington.............. Do you know how ignorant that sounds?
Did you see pics of any wolf that was shot, no, so who knows if a wolf had collar or not.
I don’t put anything past the corruption by the dept, or anyone else in involved with the wolf recovery.
They proven time and again they can’t be trusted.
+1
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 10, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
Why do guys on here always think it's a " hunter " and it's going to give said hunters a black eye ? There are others who own guns and do thrill killings to MAKE the hunters look bad. Just sayin'......... They are not hunters in my eyes.
I didn't assume it was hunters. I said it will make hunters look bad. Because the public will assume it was hunters. And "hunters" are on this site saying, "Kill more!" "SSS" or some such drivel. That makes hunters look guilty too. Even if hunters didn't make the kill, those kinds of statements say hunters approve of this kind of poaching.
And when the public perceives hunters of approving or participating in breaking the law, we lose what little influence we have and lose non hunters who don't mind us hunting.
If you don't understand that, we are already lost.
I didn't say it was you. It's just like trail cameras. Guys on here always assume their fellow hunters on HERE are stealing their cameras. I'd say that most people in Washington could give a rats butt about wolves and are very uneducated about them, if they know anything about wolves. out I'd say, get their info from CNW and the WDFW, which isn't truthful one bit. That's my take on it. :tup:
Post by: optic2 on December 10, 2017, 02:16:06 PM
Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state.
Total deer harvest of all weapon types, number of hunters, success rate
GMU 124 Mount Spokane
2006: 2537, 7811, 32.5%
2016: 2176, 5917, 36.8%
GMU 121 Huckleberry
2006: 2405, 7809, 30.8%
2016: 2014, 5557, 36.2%
GMU 117 49 degrees
2006: 1635, 5347, 30.6%
2016: 1438, 4981, 28.9%
GMU 101 Sherman
2006: 1220, 4845, 25.2%
2016: 1101, 4124, 26.7%
GMU 108 Douglas
2006: 465, 1406, 33.1%
2016: 458, 1276, 35.9%
GMU 111 Aladdin
2006: 510, 1718, 29.7%
2016: 449, 1511, 29.7%
GMU 224
2006: 209, 1623, 12.9%
2016: 305, 1817, 16.8%
GMU 218
2006: 201, 1479, 13.6%
2016: 251, 1807, 13.9%
GMU 239
2006: 112, 1060, 10.6%
2016: 209, 947, 22.1%
GMU 247 Entiat
2006: 120, 1299, 9.2%
2016: 296, 1699, 17.4%
Post by: wolfbait on December 10, 2017, 02:25:00 PM
There is zero opinion in what you'll read below. Just straight numbers. Success rates as a whole have not gone down, but numbers of hunters have.
Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state.
Total deer harvest of all weapon types, number of hunters, success rate
GMU 124 Mount Spokane
2006: 2537, 7811, 32.5%
2016: 2176, 5917, 36.8%
GMU 121 Huckleberry
2006: 2405, 7809, 30.8%
2016: 2014, 5557, 36.2%
GMU 117 49 degrees
2006: 1635, 5347, 30.6%
2016: 1438, 4981, 28.9%
GMU 101 Sherman
2006: 1220, 4845, 25.2%
2016: 1101, 4124, 26.7%
GMU 108 Douglas
2006: 465, 1406, 33.1%
2016: 458, 1276, 35.9%
GMU 111 Aladdin
2006: 510, 1718, 29.7%
2016: 449, 1511, 29.7%
GMU 224
2006: 209, 1623, 12.9%
2016: 305, 1817, 16.8%
GMU 218
2006: 201, 1479, 13.6%
2016: 251, 1807, 13.9%
GMU 239
2006: 112, 1060, 10.6%
2016: 209, 947, 22.1%
GMU 247 Entiat
2006: 120, 1299, 9.2%
2016: 296, 1699, 17.4%
The Statement "Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state." Is Total BS! Which makes me wonder about the rest, please explain..
Post by: wolfbait on December 10, 2017, 02:27:22 PM
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on December 10, 2017, 02:29:46 PM
There is zero opinion in what you'll read below. Just straight numbers. Success rates as a whole have not gone down, but numbers of hunters have.
Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state.
Total deer harvest of all weapon types, number of hunters, success rate
GMU 124 Mount Spokane
2006: 2537, 7811, 32.5%
2016: 2176, 5917, 36.8%
GMU 121 Huckleberry
2006: 2405, 7809, 30.8%
2016: 2014, 5557, 36.2%
GMU 117 49 degrees
2006: 1635, 5347, 30.6%
2016: 1438, 4981, 28.9%
GMU 101 Sherman
2006: 1220, 4845, 25.2%
2016: 1101, 4124, 26.7%
GMU 108 Douglas
2006: 465, 1406, 33.1%
2016: 458, 1276, 35.9%
GMU 111 Aladdin
2006: 510, 1718, 29.7%
2016: 449, 1511, 29.7%
GMU 224
2006: 209, 1623, 12.9%
2016: 305, 1817, 16.8%
GMU 218
2006: 201, 1479, 13.6%
2016: 251, 1807, 13.9%
GMU 239
2006: 112, 1060, 10.6%
2016: 209, 947, 22.1%
GMU 247 Entiat
2006: 120, 1299, 9.2%
2016: 296, 1699, 17.4%
The Statement "Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state." Is Total BS! Which makes me wonder about the rest, please explain..
:yeah: Again people believing only what wdfw feeds them!
Maybe it's just an oversight on your part but I do find it ironic you didn't add 113 in there as well which could be argued as one of the most impacted units of any in Washington. But here I'll do it for you.
GMU 113 Selkirk
2006: 727, 2580, 28.2%
2016: 427, 1951, 21.8%
Post by: optic2 on December 10, 2017, 03:25:05 PM
There is zero opinion in what you'll read below. Just straight numbers. Success rates as a whole have not gone down, but numbers of hunters have.
Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state.
Total deer harvest of all weapon types, number of hunters, success rate
GMU 124 Mount Spokane
2006: 2537, 7811, 32.5%
2016: 2176, 5917, 36.8%
GMU 121 Huckleberry
2006: 2405, 7809, 30.8%
2016: 2014, 5557, 36.2%
GMU 117 49 degrees
2006: 1635, 5347, 30.6%
2016: 1438, 4981, 28.9%
GMU 101 Sherman
2006: 1220, 4845, 25.2%
2016: 1101, 4124, 26.7%
GMU 108 Douglas
2006: 465, 1406, 33.1%
2016: 458, 1276, 35.9%
GMU 111 Aladdin
2006: 510, 1718, 29.7%
2016: 449, 1511, 29.7%
GMU 224
2006: 209, 1623, 12.9%
2016: 305, 1817, 16.8%
GMU 218
2006: 201, 1479, 13.6%
2016: 251, 1807, 13.9%
GMU 239
2006: 112, 1060, 10.6%
2016: 209, 947, 22.1%
GMU 247 Entiat
2006: 120, 1299, 9.2%
2016: 296, 1699, 17.4%
The Statement "Before 2006 there weren't any wolves in this state." Is Total BS! Which makes me wonder about the rest, please explain..
:yeah: Again people believing only what wdfw feeds them!
Maybe it's just an oversight on your part but I do find it ironic you didn't add 113 in there as well which could be argued as one of the most impacted units of any in Washington. But here I'll do it for you.
GMU 113 Selkirk
2006: 727, 2580, 28.2%
2016: 427, 1951, 21.8%
I hadn't looked at that one, I just found the GMUs with the highest harvest rates in NE WA and just arbitrarily stopped where I did. Then I added some east Cascades GMUs to account for mule deer.
GMU 113
2000: 456, 4478, 10.0%
2001: 577, 2497, 13.0%
2002: 467, 2549, 18.0%
2003: 614, 2494, 25.0%
2004: 621, 2686, 23.0%
2005: 636, 2331, 27.3%
2006: 727, 2580, 28.2%
2007: 556, 2688, 20.7%
2008: 443, ?
2009: 396, 2251, 17.6%
2010: 388, 1963, 19.8%
2011: 412, 2130, 19.3%
2012: 441, 2109, 20.9%
2013: 453, 2189, 20.7%
2014: 427, 2107, 20.2%
2015: 578, 2094, 27.6% the wolves must have gone on vacation this year
2016: 427, 1951, 21.8%
Post by: Alchase on December 10, 2017, 03:57:46 PM
When they were tracking a mating female the whole time?
Seriously even if they takeout 30% a year, if they leave the mating females they are peeing in the wind.
Post by: lokidog on December 10, 2017, 06:04:05 PM
Post by: Humptulips on December 10, 2017, 06:34:39 PM
Pictures or it didn't happen....
Or the true story...wolf found dead when collared moose showed inactive. Wolf found dead next to partially eaten moose carcass. Cause of death, appears wolf choked on moose collar.
No pics FAKE NEWS, they’ll do anything to push thier agenda on the state.
Heck for all we know they could have been killed in Idaho, and brought here. Look at what’s going on in our political arena these days with all the fake accusations.
Now there is a reintroduction program I could live with. :chuckle:
Post by: Colville on December 10, 2017, 07:07:09 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2017, 07:09:04 PM
Post by: cem3434 on December 10, 2017, 08:09:26 PM
I'm about done with hunting this state and would gladly donate my license and permit fees to some group to fight Conservation NW and other similar groups if I thought it would make a prayers chance in hell difference. I don't even care that I have nearly 20 points across the board for OIL and quality applications because look at the state of our herds. WDFW puts more time, money and energy into predators than they do game animals, which is ass backwards.
We as hunters (the real conservationists) could probably break them in a couple years if we simply stopped laying money out there and stopped drinking WDFW's koolaid, but that won't happen with the permit system in place. I have no problem with paying a little more and hunting other western states that actually manage game. We should take a lesson from the anti's because one thing they do way better than us hunters is band together for whatever the agenda is they are pushing.
Wake up and smell the roses guys because they smell like *censored* and we are the ones paying for the wolf reintroduction program while allowing our herds to be destroyed. Rant over for now.
Post by: Southpole on December 10, 2017, 08:15:27 PM
Quit shooting wolves with collars........That's advised...
Post by: wolfbait on December 10, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
I wonder how WDFW will afford to pay for all the damage that wolves are doing when the average hunter finally stops buying a license because there are no game animals left to hunt? This liberal state and game department brushes this all under the rug (kind of like hoof rot) and only pushes their liberal agenda.
I'm about done with hunting this state and would gladly donate my license and permit fees to some group to fight Conservation NW and other similar groups if I thought it would make a prayers chance in hell difference. I don't even care that I have nearly 20 points across the board for OIL and quality applications because look at the state of our herds. WDFW puts more time, money and energy into predators than they do game animals, which is ass backwards.
We as hunters (the real conservationists) could probably break them in a couple years if we simply stopped laying money out there and stopped drinking WDFW's koolaid, but that won't happen with the permit system in place. I have no problem with paying a little more and hunting other western states that actually manage game. We should take a lesson from the anti's because one thing they do way better than us hunters is band together for whatever the agenda is they are pushing.
Wake up and smell the roses guys because they smell like *censored* and we are the ones paying for the wolf reintroduction program while allowing our herds to be destroyed. Rant over for now.
:yeah:
Post by: wolfbait on December 10, 2017, 09:17:14 PM
Quit shooting wolves with collars........That's advised...
It's a numbers game and WDF&wolves control the numbers. Next week, month, year WDFW can throw out a couple more collard wolves or whatever number they choose, and of course the wolves will always be female wolves, that will be SHOT DEAD. Wonder who came up with the "shot dead".
It's a joke and the sad part is the ungulates and livestock, and people of WA are paying the ultimate price.
Quite sure the "shot dead" wolves will shoot WDFW estimation dates for delisting full of holes also...
Post by: Oh Mah on December 11, 2017, 01:11:42 AM
How many does the dept. say are there?
Post by: boneaddict on December 11, 2017, 05:01:39 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 11, 2017, 06:35:45 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 11, 2017, 07:19:15 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on December 11, 2017, 07:35:41 AM
Post by: wolfbait on December 11, 2017, 08:29:24 AM
This one was hanging around Boulder Pass for weeks. It had a collar on it too.. Then it was never seen again up there.. :tup:
Maybe it was free ride time?
Post by: hhack on December 11, 2017, 08:39:03 AM
Post by: kentrek on December 11, 2017, 08:56:37 AM
The irony never ends and the double standards only get worse
Post by: Widgeondeke on December 11, 2017, 10:18:01 AM
Quit shooting wolves with collars........
:yeah:
Post by: KFhunter on December 11, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
Its amazing how its a 10k reward for this horrible injust act of killing this majestic female wolf.....yet they give a 500 fine to the guy who killed how many deer,elk,bear ??? Why is it that humans gotta treat all humans as equals but animals such as elk get treated like dirt compaired to an INVASIVE species like the wolf ??
The irony never ends and the double standards only get worse
That $10,000 dollars they're offering for reward money was donated by people all across the US who only know what media tells them. CNW knows it most likely won't be paid out, but it does serve to bring in even more money as they use the poor wolf to get sympathy for their
:puke:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 11, 2017, 12:39:49 PM
No problemo....
Thank you sir.............
Post by: KFhunter on December 11, 2017, 12:43:29 PM
This one was hanging around Boulder Pass for weeks. It had a collar on it too.. Then it was never seen again up there.. :tup:
I followed some wolves on little boulder, they were following a moose
just this week
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 11, 2017, 01:48:43 PM
This one was hanging around Boulder Pass for weeks. It had a collar on it too.. Then it was never seen again up there.. :tup:
I followed some wolves on little boulder, they were following a moose
just this week
Didn't the WDFW remove all of the Profanity Peak pack this last fall and summer? At the cost of over 100K for 6 animals? :dunno:
KF I believe you saw coyotes or free ranging farm dog's.
Post by: KFhunter on December 11, 2017, 02:05:45 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 11, 2017, 02:08:22 PM
That's what I have been told and read in the press releases.
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on December 11, 2017, 03:20:22 PM
Post by: Dick in the Dirt on December 11, 2017, 03:54:28 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 11, 2017, 04:01:44 PM
They removed 7 of 11 from the pack.This one was hanging around Boulder Pass for weeks. It had a collar on it too.. Then it was never seen again up there.. :tup:
I followed some wolves on little boulder, they were following a moose
just this week
Didn't the WDFW remove all of the Profanity Peak pack this last fall and summer? At the cost of over 100K for 6 animals? :dunno:
KF I believe you saw coyotes or free ranging farm dog's.
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 11, 2017, 04:06:15 PM
I believe this was the surviving female also. My bad this was the Sherman Pack. Not the Profanity Peak pack. :sry:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,211214.0.html
And the cost of removal
http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20161102/wdfw-spent-119500-to-shoot-seven-wolves
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 11, 2017, 04:18:42 PM
This one was hanging around Boulder Pass for weeks. It had a collar on it too.. Then it was never seen again up there.. :tup:
I followed some wolves on little boulder, they were following a moose
just this week
Before I moved, I was told there were wolves in Danville wandering around...
Post by: PA BEN on December 11, 2017, 05:04:43 PM
Stevens County Commissioner Don Dashiell, a rancher and member of the state’s Wolf Advisory Group, said Sunday that he had not seen any evidence yet that the wolves were killed illegally.
“I’m having a hard time using the word ‘poached’ at this point,” he said. “I don’t think there are people out there just killing wolves.”
Post by: PA BEN on December 11, 2017, 06:05:21 PM
Sounds like hunters found the second one and turned it in.
Post by: TVHunts on December 11, 2017, 06:18:06 PM
$100,000 and I well have my girlfriend turn me in. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Genius :tup:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 11, 2017, 06:25:57 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/2-wolves-shot-in-eastern-washington-poachers-feared/
Stevens County Commissioner Don Dashiell, a rancher and member of the state’s Wolf Advisory Group, said Sunday that he had not seen any evidence yet that the wolves were killed illegally.
“I’m having a hard time using the word ‘poached’ at this point,” he said. “I don’t think there are people out there just killing wolves.”
:yeah: Did anyone find bullet holes in them? :dunno:
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 11, 2017, 06:48:44 PM
The wolves are members of the Smackout and Dirty Shirt packs. (Posted from the media release) http://www.krem.com/tech/two-wolves-shot-dead-in-eastern-washington/498291888
Then we have this bit of information:
The wolf had been wearing a radio collar, attached by WDFW biologists in 2016 when it was a member of the Profanity Peak pack.
This from the WDFW release. http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/dec1117b/
The Map shows 3 different packs; http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/
Could it be someone is Fibbing on Location.
Post by: KFhunter on December 11, 2017, 06:52:23 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 11, 2017, 07:09:54 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 11, 2017, 07:29:09 PM
For all the CSI folks I find this not making sense. :dunno:
The wolves are members of the Smackout and Dirty Shirt packs. (Posted from the media release) http://www.krem.com/tech/two-wolves-shot-dead-in-eastern-washington/498291888
Then we have this bit of information:
The wolf had been wearing a radio collar, attached by WDFW biologists in 2016 when it was a member of the Profanity Peak pack.
This from the WDFW release. http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/dec1117b/
The Map shows 3 different packs; http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/
Could it be someone is Fibbing on Location.
That just means she's been rehomed :chuckle:Well ya she likes to breed with multiple pack ,kinda like a wolf orgy or something. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on December 11, 2017, 07:31:43 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/dec1117b/
Sounds like hunters found the second one and turned it in.
Ok correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm just thinking out loud but I read that article and it says that the 1st one found by the biologists was approximately 15 miles southwest of Republic. Now I'm not doing any bashing just want to be clear but isn't it possible that a member of the Colville tribe shot it and it being legal? Thats pretty damn close to the reservation line right? Just saying. :dunno:
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 11, 2017, 07:32:25 PM
Next thing she will claim she was groped and the Alpha males will be forced to resign.
Might have even made the rounds in a USFWS truck.
Post by: hunter399 on December 11, 2017, 07:49:46 PM
Ya anywhere south put you close to reservation,,but tribal members can hunt anywhere they don't have to be on the reservation.Here is what is 15 miles southwest of republic ,at least Google map says.http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/dec1117b/
Sounds like hunters found the second one and turned it in.
Ok correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm just thinking out loud but I read that article and it says that the 1st one found by the biologists was approximately 15 miles southwest of Republic. Now I'm not doing any bashing just want to be clear but isn't it possible that a member of the Colville tribe shot it and it being legal? Thats pretty damn close to the reservation line right? Just saying. :dunno:
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on December 11, 2017, 07:55:54 PM
Ya anywhere south put you close to reservation,,but tribal members can hunt anywhere they don't have to be on the reservation.Here is what is 15 miles southwest of republic ,at least Google map says.http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/dec1117b/
Sounds like hunters found the second one and turned it in.
Ok correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm just thinking out loud but I read that article and it says that the 1st one found by the biologists was approximately 15 miles southwest of Republic. Now I'm not doing any bashing just want to be clear but isn't it possible that a member of the Colville tribe shot it and it being legal? Thats pretty damn close to the reservation line right? Just saying. :dunno:
Well not to start an argument here with you lol :chuckle: but I think that is wrong. What you are showing is southeast of Republic anyways. If you check the mileage between Republic and West Fork it's exactly 15 miles. And West Fork is on the reservation.
Post by: jmscon on December 11, 2017, 08:01:33 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 11, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
Well not to start a argument but your wrong ,when you show me better proof than this let me know.My first map is right,when you measure to west fork that's a more strait line to reservation.Anyway doesn't matter your right 15 miles to west fork,but you go southeast or southwest your not getting to reservation in 15 miles of republic period.Ya anywhere south put you close to reservation,,but tribal members can hunt anywhere they don't have to be on the reservation.Here is what is 15 miles southwest of republic ,at least Google map says.http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/dec1117b/
Sounds like hunters found the second one and turned it in.
Ok correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm just thinking out loud but I read that article and it says that the 1st one found by the biologists was approximately 15 miles southwest of Republic. Now I'm not doing any bashing just want to be clear but isn't it possible that a member of the Colville tribe shot it and it being legal? Thats pretty damn close to the reservation line right? Just saying. :dunno:
Well not to start an argument here with you lol :chuckle: but I think that is wrong. What you are showing is southeast of Republic anyways. If you check the mileage between Republic and West Fork it's exactly 15 miles. And West Fork is on the reservation.
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on December 11, 2017, 08:15:13 PM
Well not to start a argument but your wrong ,when you show me better proof than this let me know.My first map is right,when you measure to west fork that's a more strait line to reservation.Ya anywhere south put you close to reservation,,but tribal members can hunt anywhere they don't have to be on the reservation.Here is what is 15 miles southwest of republic ,at least Google map says.http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/dec1117b/
Sounds like hunters found the second one and turned it in.
Ok correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm just thinking out loud but I read that article and it says that the 1st one found by the biologists was approximately 15 miles southwest of Republic. Now I'm not doing any bashing just want to be clear but isn't it possible that a member of the Colville tribe shot it and it being legal? Thats pretty damn close to the reservation line right? Just saying. :dunno:
Well not to start an argument here with you lol :chuckle: but I think that is wrong. What you are showing is southeast of Republic anyways. If you check the mileage between Republic and West Fork it's exactly 15 miles. And West Fork is on the reservation.
Lol ok :tup:
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 11, 2017, 08:18:33 PM
Well not to start a argument but your wrong ,when you show me better proof than this let me know.My first map is right,when you measure to west fork that's a more strait line to reservation.Ya anywhere south put you close to reservation,,but tribal members can hunt anywhere they don't have to be on the reservation.Here is what is 15 miles southwest of republic ,at least Google map says.http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/dec1117b/
Sounds like hunters found the second one and turned it in.
Ok correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm just thinking out loud but I read that article and it says that the 1st one found by the biologists was approximately 15 miles southwest of Republic. Now I'm not doing any bashing just want to be clear but isn't it possible that a member of the Colville tribe shot it and it being legal? Thats pretty damn close to the reservation line right? Just saying. :dunno:
Well not to start an argument here with you lol :chuckle: but I think that is wrong. What you are showing is southeast of Republic anyways. If you check the mileage between Republic and West Fork it's exactly 15 miles. And West Fork is on the reservation.
Lol ok :tup:
Gentlemen: For the sake of an argument. You can't even be sure that's the right location from the media release's. :chuckle:
For all the CSI folks I find this not making sense. :dunno:
The wolves are members of the Smackout and Dirty Shirt packs. (Posted from the media release) http://www.krem.com/tech/two-wolves-shot-dead-in-eastern-washington/498291888
Then we have this bit of information:
The wolf had been wearing a radio collar, attached by WDFW biologists in 2016 when it was a member of the Profanity Peak pack.
This from the WDFW release. http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/dec1117b/
The Map shows 3 different packs; http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/packs/
Could it be someone is Fibbing on Location.
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on December 11, 2017, 08:23:03 PM
Gentlemen: For the sake of an argument. You can't even be sure that's the right location from the media release's. :chuckle:
Absolutely I agree. I was just throwing out a possibility thats all. :sry: my bad lol!
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 11, 2017, 08:26:05 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 11, 2017, 08:29:17 PM
Sorry 5x5 my bad ,i just pride myself too much in being able to read maps quickly and correctly.I was thinking lake Ellen at first which is southeast of that ,and would be closer to reservation.
On another note I don't think it was native member ,They have better hunting on the reservation due to management.So they tend to stay on reservation.
Post by: hunter399 on December 11, 2017, 08:29:59 PM
Gentlemen: For the sake of an argument. You can't even be sure that's the right location from the media release's. :chuckle:
Absolutely I agree. I was just throwing out a possibility thats all. :sry: my bad lol!
Sorry 5x5 my bad ,i just pride myself too much in being able to read maps quickly and correctly.I was thinking lake Ellen at first which is southeast of that helps and would be closer to reservation.
On another note I don't think it was native member ,They have better hunting on the reservation due to management.So they tend to stay on reservation.
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on December 11, 2017, 08:37:24 PM
Gentlemen: For the sake of an argument. You can't even be sure that's the right location from the media release's. :chuckle:
Absolutely I agree. I was just throwing out a possibility thats all. :sry: my bad lol!
Sorry 5x5 my bad ,i just pride myself too much in being able to read maps quickly and correctly.I was thinking lake Ellen at first which is southeast of that helps and would be closer to reservation.
On another note I don't think it was native member ,They have better hunting on the reservation due to management.So they tend to stay on reservation.
It's all good man no worries 399. :tup: Don't like to argue about these things unless it's with the anti's lol!
I just think it's funny the department is so quick to say it was a suspected poaching instead of investigating it first. Especially when it's entirely possible it's a legal kill. All they did was incite the wolf nuts!
Post by: hunter399 on December 11, 2017, 09:08:31 PM
Gentlemen: For the sake of an argument. You can't even be sure that's the right location from the media release's. :chuckle:
Absolutely I agree. I was just throwing out a possibility thats all. :sry: my bad lol!
Sorry 5x5 my bad ,i just pride myself too much in being able to read maps quickly and correctly.I was thinking lake Ellen at first which is southeast of that helps and would be closer to reservation.
On another note I don't think it was native member ,They have better hunting on the reservation due to management.So they tend to stay on reservation.
It's all good man no worries 399. :tup: Don't like to argue about these things unless it's with the anti's lol!
I just think it's funny the department is so quick to say it was a suspected poaching instead of investigating it first. Especially when it's entirely possible it's a legal kill. All they did was incite the wolf nuts!
I agree there not giving exact location,very early could of been shot on reservation,I've had coyotes run a few miles when shot poorly before they die , So very possible.
Post by: Reidus on December 11, 2017, 10:06:50 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 12, 2017, 10:03:09 AM
This one was hanging around Boulder Pass for weeks. It had a collar on it too.. Then it was never seen again up there.. :tup:
I followed some wolves on little boulder, they were following a moose
just this week
Orient watershed area KF ?
Post by: ribka on December 12, 2017, 10:30:08 AM
I'm shocked.
Post by: JDHasty on December 12, 2017, 10:55:48 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2017/12/reward_for_information_on_slai.html#incart_river_home
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 12, 2017, 11:55:22 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 12, 2017, 11:59:20 AM
These clowns that upped the reward just do it for the publicity. Same as baiting that poor excuse for a journalist that wrote that Spokane article about wolves not having any effect on ungulates.
That was an AP article that was reprinted all over the country. No sources cited. Completely inaccurate information. Kind of makes you wonder who had them print it.
Post by: wolfbait on December 12, 2017, 12:04:31 PM
I don't think there was ever any correction in the papers about said wolf not being poached.
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 12, 2017, 12:34:34 PM
How ever these predators are meeting their maker, let it get more intense.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 12, 2017, 01:14:57 PM
Reward for information on slain Washington wolves grows to $20,000
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2017/12/reward_for_information_on_slai.html#incart_river_home
The comments after the article are entertaining. :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on December 12, 2017, 01:38:42 PM
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Post by: Ridgeratt on December 12, 2017, 09:24:47 PM
How many payouts have been made before? None that I can think of...
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Found this;
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/wdfw_2016_annual_wolf_report_presentation.pdf
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 12, 2017, 09:32:37 PM
How many payouts have been made before? None that I can think of...
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Found this;
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/wdfw_2016_annual_wolf_report_presentation.pdf
That northern cascades region probably has 4-5 more packs they haven’t claimed yet. :twocents:
Post by: cem3434 on December 12, 2017, 09:41:47 PM
Post by: Special T on December 12, 2017, 09:50:44 PM
Thankyou, but I ment for those who turned in a wolf "poacher". I may be ignorant to that area but I'm not sure 20k would help some one whom is completely shunned in that area.How many payouts have been made before? None that I can think of...
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Found this;
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/wdfw_2016_annual_wolf_report_presentation.pdf
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Post by: Special T on December 12, 2017, 09:52:07 PM
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 12, 2017, 09:55:03 PM
We have wolves here the question is will they document them, and will it be easy enough as thick as it is.
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There’s a pack in the Darrington area, but they don’t count it yet due to no collars, DNA, and the kicker no documented pups yet. :bash:
Post by: wolfbait on December 13, 2017, 12:14:39 AM
We have wolves here the question is will they document them, and will it be easy enough as thick as it is.
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There’s a pack in the Darrington area, but they don’t count it yet due to no collars, DNA, and the kicker no documented pups yet. :bash:
There was a WDFW biologist who wanted to confirm a BP+pack I think six years ago, but the frauds at WDF&wolves wouldn't let it happen. Wonder how many wolves are working that area over now?
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 13, 2017, 08:26:55 PM
We have wolves here the question is will they document them, and will it be easy enough as thick as it is.
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There’s a pack in the Darrington area, but they don’t count it yet due to no collars, DNA, and the kicker no documented pups yet. :bash:
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 13, 2017, 08:31:23 PM
And how many are in the unofficial wolf pact there?moo
Post by: Southpole on December 14, 2017, 07:51:55 AM
So where abouts are you seeing them in the Darrington area?There's been some heavy wolf tracks spotted last year up the Suattle river road. For those of you not familiar where that is it's about 4-5 miles east of Darrington.
And how many are in the unofficial wolf pact there?moo
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 14, 2017, 08:02:28 AM
Post by: Southpole on December 14, 2017, 08:20:59 AM
Do you think they are from the wolf pack from Marblemount?It's possible they are coming from Marblemount. The end of Suattle river road really isn't that far from the western tip of Lake Chelan especially for a wolf, it's possible they traveled from there. They've been in the Skagit valley for years, they might be part of that group which makes the most sense to me.
Post by: Special T on December 14, 2017, 11:13:59 AM
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Post by: KFhunter on December 14, 2017, 04:22:37 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 15, 2017, 10:34:11 PM
They are here just going to be a lot harder to catch and document than the east side.
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Not really, WDF&wolves put collars on all the wolves they release. Of course if someone kerpowed their collared wolves, well then maybe.
Post by: Ade on December 21, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
No dogs for bear
No dogs for cougar
Reduced hunting season for cougar
Trying to introduce grizzly in cascades
Question if the deer population falls and they are listed as endangered
What would the argument look like for gun control or is that the master plan?
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 21, 2017, 10:31:50 PM
Reward for information on slain Washington wolves grows to $20,000
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2017/12/reward_for_information_on_slai.html#incart_river_home
The comments after the article are entertaining. :chuckle:
No kidding! "Time to start questioning all members of the NRA!" Jeez :P :chuckle:
Tree hugger hoity toity group called "Cascadia Wildlands" puttin' up the dough. They can't just say stay "Cascade" for pete's sake. Excuuuse me while I purchase some sundries at The Village Shoppe and then partake of thee sudsy beverage at Ye Oldee Townee Tavernee! :brew: :tree1: :chuckle:
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 22, 2017, 06:15:37 AM
Wolf introduction
No dogs for bear
No dogs for cougar
Reduced hunting season for cougar
Trying to introduce grizzly in cascades
Question if the deer population falls and they are listed as endangered
What would the argument look like for gun control or is that the master plan?
My thoughts on the Wildlife Dept. exactly. Where is all of the protein going to come from to sustain all of this predator population?
When all of the game animals are gone they will prey on domestic animals and humans.
These liberal tree huggers need to be STOPPED!
Post by: Southpole on December 22, 2017, 07:18:36 AM
Wolf introduction:yeah:
No dogs for bear
No dogs for cougar
Reduced hunting season for cougar
Trying to introduce grizzly in cascades
Question if the deer population falls and they are listed as endangered
What would the argument look like for gun control or is that the master plan?
A lot of guys don't want to believe that, but Washington state is the testing grounds for this little experiment. It appears to be working.
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 22, 2017, 04:59:07 PM
Post by: lokidog on December 23, 2017, 07:44:55 PM
Wolf introduction:yeah:
No dogs for bear
No dogs for cougar
Reduced hunting season for cougar
Trying to introduce grizzly in cascades
Question if the deer population falls and they are listed as endangered
What would the argument look like for gun control or is that the master plan?
A lot of guys don't want to believe that, but Washington state is the testing grounds for this little experiment. It appears to be working.
I've said this for our loss of fishing opportunities as well. :bash:
Post by: Ade on December 24, 2017, 06:23:35 PM
The Trump administration is halting work on North Cascades grizzly bear recovery work.
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Post by: HighlandLofts on December 24, 2017, 09:57:07 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on December 28, 2017, 09:58:10 PM
They can do just about whatever they want, eh?I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......
Hopefully lots
If you think any good will come out of this for hunters, you're crazy. For starters, if it was a collared wolf, any data that might have been gained is lost. They won't be able to track the pack if none of the other wolves are collared. Second, this act will paint all hunters in a bad light and people who would otherwise support hunters will turn against us. At this point, we need all the friends we can get. Third, it will delay any delisting possibility. Fourth, it may result in more restrictions on hunters.
How do they know it was illegal? Aren't the natives allowed to hunt them now?
Post by: ironhead14 on December 31, 2017, 05:57:24 AM
I wonder how many wolves get illegally shot each year that aren't found......NOT ENOUGH!