Post by: SeaRun1 on December 13, 2017, 06:45:55 AM
I am a 300 yard guy. This rifle is to start extending that range a bit with lots of practice.
Thanks!
SR1
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 13, 2017, 07:01:49 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 13, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 13, 2017, 01:12:08 PM
Post by: JBar on December 13, 2017, 03:22:20 PM
Post by: Buckhunter28 on December 13, 2017, 03:30:13 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on December 13, 2017, 03:58:36 PM
Post by: syoungs on December 13, 2017, 04:17:16 PM
I am up in the air between the accubond lr and this, ive got a box of each to play with this spring, though im guessing either will do exactly what I want it to do.
from my reading up on the performance of them, I wouldn't hesitate to use them on deer or elk one bit.
Post by: Doublelunger on December 13, 2017, 04:25:40 PM
Post by: The scout on December 13, 2017, 05:11:17 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 13, 2017, 05:51:04 PM
If you are keeping shots inside 500 or 600, the standard accubond is pretty darn hard to beat.
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 13, 2017, 06:51:06 PM
If you are keeping shots inside 500 or 600, the standard accubond is pretty darn hard to beat.
Accubond's are great bullets!👍
Post by: kentrek on December 13, 2017, 07:31:46 PM
Year prior i had a bull with the 200s and they preformed much better but still inconclusive
Great accuracy and velocities
Im moving on
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on December 13, 2017, 07:50:24 PM
had a bull this year take a solid shoulder shot @ 400 and i didnt get passed the shoulder...this was a 178 @2980...had to give him one more about 30 min laterNot to hijack but you should try the 200 grain barnes TSX. It doesn't have the super high bc but it has amazing weight retention and will punch that shoulder really well.
Year prior i had a bull with the 200s and they preformed much better but still inconclusive
Great accuracy and velocities
Im moving on
Post by: The scout on December 13, 2017, 07:58:39 PM
had a bull this year take a solid shoulder shot @ 400 and i didnt get passed the shoulder...this was a 178 @2980...had to give him one more about 30 min laterNot to hijack but you should try the 200 grain barnes TSX. It doesn't have the super high bc but it has amazing weight retention and will punch that shoulder really well.
Year prior i had a bull with the 200s and they preformed much better but still inconclusive
Great accuracy and velocities
Im moving on
The Barnes and accubonds will run with the eld x up till about 500 yds then it’s hard to get the energy to have them perform. That’s when the eld x starts pulling away and excels. They aren’t for everybody but they have there place
Post by: kentrek on December 13, 2017, 08:15:40 PM
had a bull this year take a solid shoulder shot @ 400 and i didnt get passed the shoulder...this was a 178 @2980...had to give him one more about 30 min laterNot to hijack but you should try the 200 grain barnes TSX. It doesn't have the super high bc but it has amazing weight retention and will punch that shoulder really well.
Year prior i had a bull with the 200s and they preformed much better but still inconclusive
Great accuracy and velocities
Im moving on
Yeah im a sucker for the bc tho....i dont do much long distance killing but im pretty capable out to 750 in the field and the barnes just doesnt do it for me out there
Im switching to the hammer line.....check em out
Back on track, yes the eldx definitely has its place....i very well could have killed 30 more bulls and not had a bad experience
Id think the eldx would be ideal for longer distance deer sized game
Post by: buglebuster on December 13, 2017, 09:41:37 PM
Post by: CaNINE on December 14, 2017, 10:14:09 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 14, 2017, 10:30:04 AM
Last spring's bear was taken at 530 yards by a 200 ELD-X from a 300WSM with a MV of 2870 fps. The bear was slightly quartering toward me. The bullet entered just aft of the shoulder and exited rear ribs. The bear went approximately 50 yards before piling up. The exit hole was about 2X bullet diameter which left me scratching my head a bit. It got the job done. I went back to Bergers for this year's deer season with great results. I'll still be using the ELD-X in my WSM because it shoots them very well.I'm impressed you got an exit at that distance, especially on a bear of that caliber!
Post by: CaNINE on December 14, 2017, 02:27:51 PM
Last spring's bear was taken at 530 yards by a 200 ELD-X from a 300WSM with a MV of 2870 fps. The bear was slightly quartering toward me. The bullet entered just aft of the shoulder and exited rear ribs. The bear went approximately 50 yards before piling up. The exit hole was about 2X bullet diameter which left me scratching my head a bit. It got the job done. I went back to Bergers for this year's deer season with great results. I'll still be using the ELD-X in my WSM because it shoots them very well.I'm impressed you got an exit at that distance, especially on a bear of that caliber!
I was sure not expecting to find an exit and if I did thought there would be at least a fist sized hole. I don't have a good explanation other than the bullet had slowed down enough and only contacted soft tissue so didn't expand that much. It will just have to remain a mystery I guess.
Post by: The scout on December 14, 2017, 03:05:11 PM
Last spring's bear was taken at 530 yards by a 200 ELD-X from a 300WSM with a MV of 2870 fps. The bear was slightly quartering toward me. The bullet entered just aft of the shoulder and exited rear ribs. The bear went approximately 50 yards before piling up. The exit hole was about 2X bullet diameter which left me scratching my head a bit. It got the job done. I went back to Bergers for this year's deer season with great results. I'll still be using the ELD-X in my WSM because it shoots them very well.I'm impressed you got an exit at that distance, especially on a bear of that caliber!
The only exits I have had were on shots over 400 yds. My thought was it still has so much velocity at short range that the bullet really expands rapidly. The best performance I have seen is 500 and out. I have shot a few 150yds and in and the entrance hole is huge with no exit.
Post by: kentrek on December 14, 2017, 03:12:39 PM
Last spring's bear was taken at 530 yards by a 200 ELD-X from a 300WSM with a MV of 2870 fps. The bear was slightly quartering toward me. The bullet entered just aft of the shoulder and exited rear ribs. The bear went approximately 50 yards before piling up. The exit hole was about 2X bullet diameter which left me scratching my head a bit. It got the job done. I went back to Bergers for this year's deer season with great results. I'll still be using the ELD-X in my WSM because it shoots them very well.I'm impressed you got an exit at that distance, especially on a bear of that caliber!
I was sure not expecting to find an exit and if I did thought there would be at least a fist sized hole. I don't have a good explanation other than the bullet had slowed down enough and only contacted soft tissue so didn't expand that much. It will just have to remain a mystery I guess.
I shot a bull almost with the exact same load....200s @ 2870 and had somthing similar but it was only at 150 & 200 yards...had a bullet travel allmost the entire length of the elk with no explosion effect. While other bullets performed like bergers
I had marginal stability with the 200s so that could be why i think i saw the results i did
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 14, 2017, 03:17:05 PM
I'm pushing the 212's at 2,900 out of my wsm. Only real close shot was a cow elk last year that one of my youth hunters shot. It was about 125ish yards. Behind the shoulder broadside. Bullet exited but never hit anything structural so didn't make a big mess when it left. Internal damage was awesome though!
Post by: JBar on December 14, 2017, 03:21:15 PM
Post by: JBar on December 14, 2017, 04:55:55 PM
Post by: buglebuster on December 14, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
Internal damage was awesome though!
To say the least :chuckle:
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on December 14, 2017, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 14, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
People are trying the eld-x over the berger to try and find something that doesn't grenade so bad at high speed. Doesn't hurt that they are less expensive either. I've got zero complaints about the eld-x bullets. In fact my next build is a 6mm and I'll be running the 107's out of it.
Post by: Mulie87 on December 14, 2017, 07:32:42 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 15, 2017, 06:48:14 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 16, 2017, 03:59:16 PM
Well since you keep bringing up Barnes, I won't shoot them because I have seen and also read countless stories of complete bullet failure. Also the issue of excessive copper fouling.
People are trying the eld-x over the berger to try and find something that doesn't grenade so bad at high speed. Doesn't hurt that they are less expensive either. I've got zero complaints about the eld-x bullets. In fact my next build is a 6mm and I'll be running the 107's out of it.
Yes indeed and why I started testing them. Bergers have blown up at high speeds and close range for me several times. I shot a cow at under 100 through the shoulder with a 143 eldx at 3250 and it broke the leg. Passed through lungs and stuck in the arm pit. Still had 55% weight retention at that blazing speed. I love accubonds more then anything but with as many critters as I have been killing with the eldx, I am super happy with them.
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on December 16, 2017, 09:30:12 PM
Well since you keep bringing up Barnes, I won't shoot them because I have seen and also read countless stories of complete bullet failure. Also the issue of excessive copper fouling.Funny... the only time I have heard of anyone having an issue with barnes bullets was shooting a .270 loaded with the TTSX at a pronghorn and he gut shot it.. thus the bullet didn't expand. The TSX which is what I recommended is a hollowpoint so as soon as it hits something it will begin expanding. I have never had an issue with fowling from the barnes bullets either lol. I will leave this discussion now so that we don't have to discuss proper shot placement on a game animal for bullet expansion now...
People are trying the eld-x over the berger to try and find something that doesn't grenade so bad at high speed. Doesn't hurt that they are less expensive either. I've got zero complaints about the eld-x bullets. In fact my next build is a 6mm and I'll be running the 107's out of it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 08:30:02 AM
Google Barnes bullet failure and Barnes copper fouling.
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on December 17, 2017, 04:18:35 PM
Wow that's an awfully bold statement there. Guess one day ill figure out where to shoot a big game animal. The 4 or 5 i shoot a year must all die of natural causes. SmhGoogled it... Went through several forums for both bullet failure and copper fouling. On the failure its the same story every time.. marginal shot and animal still recovered. That's not the bullets fault that's the shooters fault! On the fouling. I found out that about 7-8 years ago barnes put the grooves on the TSX to help with copper fouling but most people were finding that it fouled about the same as any other bullet. It also depended on the rifle. Some guys would shoot barnes through 1 rifle and it would need to be cleaned in 20-25 rounds and then shoot a different rifle with barnes and not need to clean for 100 rounds or more. EVERY bullet has failures. What this really comes down to imo.. is blaming the equipment instead of yourself for the issues you had. Not every animal is going to be BANG FLOP! Maybe you should google the things you are talking about as well before opening up on here. Have a nice day!
Google Barnes bullet failure and Barnes copper fouling.
Post by: kentrek on December 17, 2017, 04:40:58 PM
Wow that's an awfully bold statement there. Guess one day ill figure out where to shoot a big game animal. The 4 or 5 i shoot a year must all die of natural causes. Smh
Google Barnes bullet failure and Barnes copper fouling.
I agree...you should prolly get alil more experience using google under your belt before commenting amongst us pros.. field experience just isnt worth much these days with the power of google..
All you can do is laugh :hello:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 04:53:04 PM
i don't need to Google anything since I've been there tried that. When you can hit solid structure on an animal and the bullet can darn near be reloaded I'd call that failure on the bullet not the shooter. Fouling was terrible. I wanna clean every 500 rounds not 30. Cool you like barnes. That's not what this thread was about yet you keep beating the Barnes drum. Continue to make judgements about people you know nothing about though. People like you are why I don't hardly post on this site anymore.Wow that's an awfully bold statement there. Guess one day ill figure out where to shoot a big game animal. The 4 or 5 i shoot a year must all die of natural causes. SmhGoogled it... Went through several forums for both bullet failure and copper fouling. On the failure its the same story every time.. marginal shot and animal still recovered. That's not the bullets fault that's the shooters fault! On the fouling. I found out that about 7-8 years ago barnes put the grooves on the TSX to help with copper fouling but most people were finding that it fouled about the same as any other bullet. It also depended on the rifle. Some guys would shoot barnes through 1 rifle and it would need to be cleaned in 20-25 rounds and then shoot a different rifle with barnes and not need to clean for 100 rounds or more. EVERY bullet has failures. What this really comes down to imo.. is blaming the equipment instead of yourself for the issues you had. Not every animal is going to be BANG FLOP! Maybe you should google the things you are talking about as well before opening up on here. Have a nice day!
Google Barnes bullet failure and Barnes copper fouling.
Post by: lord grizzly on December 17, 2017, 04:58:43 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 05:03:33 PM
Barnes let me down once. That's all it takes with me. Haven't shot them again, never will. Shot lots of bergers, working up some eldx now for a 30 nosler. Well see how they do. So far I like them on paperwell according to the internet that was all your fault and not the bullets🤣
Post by: Mtnwalker on December 17, 2017, 05:08:49 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 05:24:29 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 05:25:10 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 17, 2017, 06:19:28 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 06:21:06 PM
Everyone should just stick with accubonds and 150 yard shots. The world would be a better place and Karl would post here more.BC isn't high enough! Everybody knows that!
Post by: jackelope on December 17, 2017, 06:21:29 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 06:22:32 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 17, 2017, 06:42:45 PM
Trying to be a cool kid talking about your BC. I bet it’s a 6.5 creedmore too.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 06:43:38 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 06:44:12 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 17, 2017, 06:45:54 PM
6.5 creedmoor norma improvedOh ya? But is it a +p?
Post by: crabcreekhunter on December 17, 2017, 06:55:23 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 07:02:02 PM
oooh that's next level :drool:6.5 creedmoor norma improvedOh ya? But is it a +p?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 07:03:16 PM
Shot an elk with the eldx at about 450, didnt go more than 15 yards one shot kill. Didn't find an exit and right behind the shoulder. Positive experiences with them in a .280AI and 6.5-06AI. Also Bergers can be devastating and can't go wrong with accubond. Killed many many animals with sierra game kings but never a Barnes bullet, could never get them to group worth a darn.does your 6.5 have a benchmark blank or the old rock creek?
Post by: jackelope on December 17, 2017, 07:13:16 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 17, 2017, 07:16:10 PM
Post by: deerslyr on December 17, 2017, 07:18:03 PM
I run the 30 cal 212's out of my 300wsm. I've also done load development with various sizes in a few other calibers as well. Like has been said before, accuracy is amazing, and it is hands down the most pleasant bullet I've ever loaded. If you think these bullets are gonna act like an accubond, you will be disappointed. They will come apart but as stated before, they are expanding violently and causing massive internal damage. Wyoming buck I shot a few times but he was dead on his feet after the first shot. Distance was like 350ish. All bullets exited. Bull elk at 380, steep downhill facing me. Took him in between the shoulders. Bullet did not exit but bull folded like a cheap tent. Colorado mule deer at 800 was messy. Found the jacket on the off side.
If you are keeping shots inside 500 or 600, the standard accubond is pretty darn hard to beat.
What velocity are you getting with those 212s out of the 300 wsm?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 07:36:12 PM
2,900I run the 30 cal 212's out of my 300wsm. I've also done load development with various sizes in a few other calibers as well. Like has been said before, accuracy is amazing, and it is hands down the most pleasant bullet I've ever loaded. If you think these bullets are gonna act like an accubond, you will be disappointed. They will come apart but as stated before, they are expanding violently and causing massive internal damage. Wyoming buck I shot a few times but he was dead on his feet after the first shot. Distance was like 350ish. All bullets exited. Bull elk at 380, steep downhill facing me. Took him in between the shoulders. Bullet did not exit but bull folded like a cheap tent. Colorado mule deer at 800 was messy. Found the jacket on the off side.
If you are keeping shots inside 500 or 600, the standard accubond is pretty darn hard to beat.
What velocity are you getting with those 212s out of the 300 wsm?
Post by: hunter399 on December 17, 2017, 07:39:19 PM
Post by: CaNINE on December 17, 2017, 09:18:55 PM
150 yard shots man!! Who cares about BC!
150 yards? Heck, the way things are going in a few years we'll be flinging arrows at 150 yards. :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 17, 2017, 09:36:22 PM
wait you don't already? :peep:150 yard shots man!! Who cares about BC!
150 yards? Heck, the way things are going in a few years we'll be flinging arrows at 150 yards. :chuckle:
Post by: yakimanoob on December 18, 2017, 11:48:36 AM
- Deer from 250yds, missed a little high, hit him in the spine and trashed two vertebrae (so much so that I reached into the entry wound and pulled out large bone fragments by hand), which somehow didn't keep him from getting up after about 3 minutes and walking away before I hit him in the foot (I suck at this, can ya tell?), which stunned him enough for me to approach and put one behind his skull to finish off the poor beast. Great bullet, bad shooter!
- Elk from about 40 yds, high just behind the shoulder, small entry, small exit, completely trashed spinal column that killed him instantly. I did recover the lower jacket from the spine, but the core passed through. Hard to ask for better.
This year, I got another elk from 30 yds with the 7mm-08 ELD-X factory ammo. Hit through the shoulders -- pencil entry, pencil exit, completely trashed aorta, anterior lungs, and liver, with no more than fist-sized chunks of bloodshot meat loss in the chuck. 100% retention/pass-through as far as I can tell.
So far in 3 experiences, it's been pretty flawless.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 18, 2017, 01:11:38 PM
I try and kill everything I can at 99.7 yards. That way I don’t have to worry about BC or improving anything.:chuckle: