Post by: Rainier10 on December 19, 2017, 08:16:38 AM
So this topic has come up in the people on cams thread and I thought I would start a thread to discuss it here instead of derailing that thread more.
So a few members are commenting that they don't wear hunter orange or think that it is not needed.
Just wondering what everyone else thinks.
I know as a hunter education instructor we preach the values of hunter orange from a safety standpoint. Statistics show that after the hunter orange requirement was made that hunter incidents in the woods decreased and less hunters were injured by other hunters.
The other thing that drastically changed with the hunter orange requirement was the harvest numbers increased. Once hunters could see that there were other hunters in the same drainage or area they spread out to other areas moving more game around and increasing harvest by covering more ground and moving more game around.
What are your thoughts on hunter orange?
Post by: h20hunter on December 19, 2017, 08:19:18 AM
B) I don't want to get shot.
Simple as that for me.
Post by: MADMAX on December 19, 2017, 08:19:27 AM
too many trigger happy schmucks
Post by: Woodchuck on December 19, 2017, 08:20:36 AM
A lot of times when not a general season, I will still wear at least an orange hat.
Post by: cbond3318 on December 19, 2017, 08:21:44 AM
A) It's required at certain times so I wear it
B) I don't want to get shot.
Simple as that for me.
:yeah: I would also wear if not required by the law. I ha e at least an Orange panel on my packs no matter what I’m out doing during the year.
Post by: bobcat on December 19, 2017, 08:22:37 AM
Post by: cavemann on December 19, 2017, 08:23:41 AM
I wear it, no issues.
Post by: Curly on December 19, 2017, 08:28:57 AM
In states where it is required I wear a vest and a hat. I don't want a ticket.
I wish more states left it up to the individual to decide what they wish to wear. If someone wishes to wear hot pink or chartreuse or blue or whatever, it should be up to them. In some instances in the fall, there are a lot of orange leaves in the woods, I think colors other than orange would actually be more visible so it would be better to wear some other color.
Post by: 724wd on December 19, 2017, 08:30:56 AM
Post by: headshot5 on December 19, 2017, 08:32:18 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on December 19, 2017, 08:34:45 AM
I am sure just few letters to the game commission and maybe a few people standing up at a commission meeting making the request for more color options is all it would take to add pink as an option.
Post by: Stein on December 19, 2017, 08:35:43 AM
A) It's required at certain times so I wear it:yeah: :yeah:
B) I don't want to get shot.
Simple as that for me.
I wear it when hunting even in places where it isn't required. Vest, sometimes hat and a good sized strip on my backpack as it covers my vest.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on December 19, 2017, 08:38:43 AM
And where I go Im not worried about getting shot. If they cant see you they cant shoot you !!! But I do hunt where there is no hungover trigger happy road hunters also. LOL
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 19, 2017, 08:39:18 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 19, 2017, 08:39:37 AM
I don't like the government telling us what color clothing to wear. They should at least allow a variety of colors instead of only orange. I believe fluorescent pink is more visible in the woods than orange. Why isn't pink an option? Also, I seriously doubt that wearing orange increases success rates. That seems like a "fact" invented by the proponents of hunter orange. This is the first time I have ever heard of that.x2 And I think hot pink should be an option. It would make my hunting partners uncomfortable. :chuckle:
Post by: Bofire on December 19, 2017, 08:47:52 AM
Carl
Post by: Rainier10 on December 19, 2017, 08:50:21 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 19, 2017, 08:54:23 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on December 19, 2017, 08:55:35 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 19, 2017, 08:57:21 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 19, 2017, 09:03:11 AM
I wear it during modern seasons with no regrets or concerns. I can't think of a downside.
Downside is people looking at you through their scope
Post by: Rainier10 on December 19, 2017, 09:04:42 AM
I want as much orange on as possible.
Post by: vandeman17 on December 19, 2017, 09:08:50 AM
Idaho doesn't require it and when I hunt there, I don't wear it. I do pack a vest with me for when I kill an animal. I put it over my pack when hauling out my critter but that's it.
Post by: Bob33 on December 19, 2017, 09:10:07 AM
The number of fatal shootings involving hunters averages less than one per year in Washington. Prior to hunter orange being required the number was much higher.
Post by: bhawley76 on December 19, 2017, 09:13:03 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 19, 2017, 09:24:11 AM
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here does the government say you have to wear hunters orange? Isn't that a state law?
Post by: skeeter 20i on December 19, 2017, 09:24:19 AM
People get killed every year by Hunter's not identifying their target. I don't want to be a statistic. Some orange on me even when not required.
:yeah: And my sons are required to wear more than I do. yeah yeah it's a do as a say thing I know.
Post by: Curly on December 19, 2017, 09:26:54 AM
When I took hunter ed back in the 70's it was called blaze orange.
I think the term florescent orange is used sometimes or hi-vis orange. I guess I'm just against change, and I'd prefer to keep referring to it as blaze orange. But then, I guess I'm just old......... :)
Post by: huntingfool7 on December 19, 2017, 09:59:20 AM
Where does the government say you have to wear hunters orange? Isn't that a state law?That is a distinction without a difference.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 19, 2017, 10:12:43 AM
I wear during mod deer and elk. I even add extra during deer when walking back to the car--too many drunks out there.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 19, 2017, 10:59:10 AM
I always wear the required amount per state requirements for where I am hunting. Wyoming I rock the hat. Washington 400sq inches, CO vest and a hat. Idaho doesn't require Orange so I don't wear it. The country I hunt there is remote and isolated so I've never felt I needed it. I ALWAYS carry an orange vest in my kill kit however for wrapping around antlers during packouts or if I ever felt I needed to wear it.
With that, if today WDFW said no more orange, I would still wear Orange here because it's the only place in North America where I've ever felt it is a vital necessity. Our modern seasons here are the worst displays of ethics, morals, and safety you will find as a whole. Not sure why that is but out of all the places I've been and hunted it holds true. Possibly it is due to the high concentrations of hunters battling for a very limited number of legal animals :dunno:
Post by: Rainier10 on December 19, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
So, did negligent shootings decrease because of blaze orange or because of hunter's ed? They sort of came around at the same time.Interesting thought.
Post by: vandeman17 on December 19, 2017, 11:13:25 AM
I voted yes but I believe their is more than one answer for me.
I always wear the required amount per state requirements for where I am hunting. Wyoming I rock the hat. Washington 400sq inches, CO vest and a hat. Idaho doesn't require Orange so I don't wear it. The country I hunt there is remote and isolated so I've never felt I needed it. I ALWAYS carry an orange vest in my kill kit however for wrapping around antlers during packouts or if I ever felt I needed to wear it.
With that, if today WDFW said no more orange, I would still wear Orange here because it's the only place in North America where I've ever felt it is a vital necessity. Our modern seasons here are the worst displays of ethics, morals, and safety you will find as a whole. Not sure why that is but out of all the places I've been and hunted it holds true. Possibly it is due to the high concentrations of hunters battling for a very limited number of legal animals :dunno:
100% spot on with how i am and feel
Post by: ghosthunter on December 19, 2017, 11:17:43 AM
I have and it is life changing forever.
My best friend was shot but not killed. My brother was the shooter. I saw both sides, and if you think good hunters do not make bad mistakes than you are real mis informed.
I do not wear it muzzy elk.
I do for modern deer and I do for bear hunting any time the bear season is open. All my family is required to wear it or they do not hunt with me. All my friends are required to wear it if the law calls for it or they do not hunt out of our camp.
The difference is rifle scopes, If scopes were allowed on muzzy's than hunter orange should be required also. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2017, 11:33:05 AM
If it were really a safety issue, wouldn't EVERY user group be required to wear it? :dunno:
No. It's required for modern and not the others because of the extreme distances modern firearms can take an animal and how hard it is to identify your target at those distances. Hunting incidents with ML or archery are extremely rare, although they do happen.
Post by: Katmai Guy on December 19, 2017, 11:33:13 AM
Post by: Katmai Guy on December 19, 2017, 11:34:54 AM
If it were really a safety issue, wouldn't EVERY user group be required to wear it? :dunno:
No. It's required for modern and not the others because of the extreme distances modern firearms can take an animal and how hard it is to identify your target at those distances. Hunting incidents with ML or archery are extremely rare, although they do happen.
Pman, theres something wrong with that reasoning I believe, if you can't identify a guy walking on a hillside 400yds away, how can you identify a legal animal?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2017, 11:40:30 AM
If it were really a safety issue, wouldn't EVERY user group be required to wear it? :dunno:
No. It's required for modern and not the others because of the extreme distances modern firearms can take an animal and how hard it is to identify your target at those distances. Hunting incidents with ML or archery are extremely rare, although they do happen.
Pman, theres something wrong with that reasoning I believe, if you can't identify a guy walking on a hillside 400yds away, how can you identify a legal animal?
I identify before I shoot. You likely do. But are you questioning the fact that sometimes idiots hunt? I wear orange because of idiots and that I'd like to continue living for a while. Nothing at all wrong with my reasoning.
Post by: Bob33 on December 19, 2017, 11:41:32 AM
Not that either is good, but I think most wouldn't equate accidentally shooting a human with shooting an illegal animal.If it were really a safety issue, wouldn't EVERY user group be required to wear it? :dunno:
No. It's required for modern and not the others because of the extreme distances modern firearms can take an animal and how hard it is to identify your target at those distances. Hunting incidents with ML or archery are extremely rare, although they do happen.
Pman, theres something wrong with that reasoning I believe, if you can't identify a guy walking on a hillside 400yds away, how can you identify a legal animal?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2017, 11:42:44 AM
I do it but don't like it. Wopuld be interesting to compare # of hunters, # of accidents to states that do not have the requirement.
According to the statistics I've seen, the use of hunter orange has drastically cut the number of hunting incidents since the 70s. If I remember correctly, something like 80-90%. My memory's not great.
Post by: Bluemoon on December 19, 2017, 11:44:03 AM
So here is a scenario for you. You are walking along a wastway in Eastern WA. You are jump shooting ducks in your camo, using steel shot everything legal. However you have a East side Pheasant permit (or what ever they call them these days) And a Rooster jumps up in front of you, do you shoot it or do you let it fly away? If you shoot it did you just break the law because you didn't have any orange on?
One other thought if I am hunting on hundreds of acres of private land the only one with permission to hunt there who are they to tell me what to wear.
I personally feel that the law was passed because many game agents are to lazy to walk out in the field and meet with the hunters. They can now just sit in their vehicles and use their Bino's and meet you back at your vehicles and assume you did something wrong and its up to you the hunter to prove you were hunting by the rules.
Care to ask me how I really feel about it?
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2017, 11:46:54 AM
Post by: 724wd on December 19, 2017, 11:47:20 AM
If it were really a safety issue, wouldn't EVERY user group be required to wear it? :dunno:
No. It's required for modern and not the others because of the extreme distances modern firearms can take an animal and how hard it is to identify your target at those distances. Hunting incidents with ML or archery are extremely rare, although they do happen.
I was referring to ANYONE in the woods. Hikers, brush pickers, walking your dog, checking cows... It's not like hunters are the only group in the woods at any given time.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 19, 2017, 11:53:02 AM
Right, you have to verify a deer is a buck or 3 pt, an elk is spike or true spike or 3 pt forking above the ear, bear doesn't have a cub, cougar doesn't have spots or cubs, etc.If it were really a safety issue, wouldn't EVERY user group be required to wear it? :dunno:
No. It's required for modern and not the others because of the extreme distances modern firearms can take an animal and how hard it is to identify your target at those distances. Hunting incidents with ML or archery are extremely rare, although they do happen.
Pman, theres something wrong with that reasoning I believe, if you can't identify a guy walking on a hillside 400yds away, how can you identify a legal animal?
Post by: boneaddict on December 19, 2017, 11:54:34 AM
Devils advocate, I can do my own study. Ive been shot at more while wearing orange than I have without. :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2017, 11:58:25 AM
If it were really a safety issue, wouldn't EVERY user group be required to wear it? :dunno:
No. It's required for modern and not the others because of the extreme distances modern firearms can take an animal and how hard it is to identify your target at those distances. Hunting incidents with ML or archery are extremely rare, although they do happen.
I was referring to ANYONE in the woods. Hikers, brush pickers, walking your dog, checking cows... It's not like hunters are the only group in the woods at any given time.
Regardless, it's far easier to correctly identify your target at 100 yards or under than it is at 400. When I'm out picking in the Fall, I always wear hunter orange, no matter the season.
Post by: Alchase on December 19, 2017, 12:00:10 PM
Some could argue that being conditioned that all hunters are wearing hunter orange may cause more accidents. Case in point the gal in the blue coat. If she was wearing hunter orange, she may not have been shot. She wasnt hunting though. The kid probably should have known his target.
Devils advocate, I can do my own study. Ive been shot at more while wearing orange than I have without. :chuckle:
But were you shot at on purpose or on accident because of the orange, I believe orange definitely cuts down on the accidental shootings.
LOL
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 19, 2017, 12:07:58 PM
True, but it's also tougher to hear some rustling and then see some dark movement in the bushes at 400 than 100 or even 20 than 100.If it were really a safety issue, wouldn't EVERY user group be required to wear it? :dunno:
No. It's required for modern and not the others because of the extreme distances modern firearms can take an animal and how hard it is to identify your target at those distances. Hunting incidents with ML or archery are extremely rare, although they do happen.
I was referring to ANYONE in the woods. Hikers, brush pickers, walking your dog, checking cows... It's not like hunters are the only group in the woods at any given time.
Regardless, it's far easier to correctly identify your target at 100 yards or under than it is at 400. When I'm out picking in the Fall, I always wear hunter orange, no matter the season.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2017, 12:10:43 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 19, 2017, 12:15:53 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 19, 2017, 12:17:08 PM
Hunter Education classes have generally been required under U.S. State law in order to hold hunters to the obligation to receive training in the various points required for gun safety and the responsible use of firearms before they can be given legal certification to engage in hunting activities in that State. This measure against the occurrence of hunting accidents may not be required for people born before this law has fully come into effect. According to hunter certification departments, the frequency of hunting accidents has been greatly reduced by the availability and unavoidability of these safety measures.
Post by: CP on December 19, 2017, 12:17:24 PM
Post by: h20hunter on December 19, 2017, 12:18:59 PM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 19, 2017, 12:21:51 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2017, 12:24:26 PM
Thank you Boneaddict for using the word "accident" instead of "incident." :tup:
Nice dig, BC. The word incident is purposely used in Hunter Education. Accidents are for the most part considered unavoidable. "Accidental" shootings, on the other hand, are completely avoidable if you always follow safety rules for firearm handling.
Post by: boneaddict on December 19, 2017, 12:26:53 PM
My well being is more important than getting my undies in a bunch about the gov telling me what i have to do.
If you were full commando, you wouldn’t have to worry about either. :)
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2017, 12:28:21 PM
My well being is more important than getting my undies in a bunch about the gov telling me what i have to do.
:yeah: Bingo.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 19, 2017, 12:39:50 PM
http://www.atsko.com/hunter-orange-proving-the-obvious/
For those that don't want to sift through it all here is a quote from the link that really brings it home.
" Prior to mandating hunter orange statewide, the state of Maine did a landmark five-year trial in one heavily hunted county. Maine required hunters in York County to wear hunter orange starting in 1967. Looking at only those injuries that could be directly affected by hunter orange, Maine found that York County had 41 percent of the state’s visibilityrelated incidents during the five years before the one-county orange requirement, but only 23 percent in the five years after. Even if some of the Maine hunters outside York County got the safety message and wore orange, the County where virtually all hunters wore it is where the big injury reduction occurred."
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2017, 12:56:07 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 19, 2017, 01:00:07 PM
Thank you Boneaddict for using the word "accident" instead of "incident." :tup:
Nice dig, BC. The word incident is purposely used in Hunter Education. Accidents are for the most part considered unavoidable. "Accidental" shootings, on the other hand, are completely avoidable if you always follow safety rules for firearm handling.
I know, I know. But it still annoys me. Use the word "accident" and everyone knows what you're talking about. An incident could be just about anything at all.
Post by: cbond3318 on December 19, 2017, 01:08:17 PM
That doesn’t bother me either.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 19, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Same as using the word firearm, muzzleloader, bow or crossbow and not weapon.
I had to suppress my military training when it was a weapon and not a gun. You know, one is for killing and one is for fun? :chuckle:
Not saying weapon anymore was/is the toughest one to get used to saying in class. Those drill sargents really drilled that one in good.
Post by: Curly on December 19, 2017, 01:14:32 PM
If someone wishes to risk wearing camo clothing and potentially getting accidentally shot, why should the government care? Just about every state has hunter education requirements and they teach about how orange will help protect you from an accidental shooting, so why not let the individual make that decision?
:dunno:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 19, 2017, 01:22:44 PM
Thank you Boneaddict for using the word "accident" instead of "incident." :tup:
Nice dig, BC. The word incident is purposely used in Hunter Education. Accidents are for the most part considered unavoidable. "Accidental" shootings, on the other hand, are completely avoidable if you always follow safety rules for firearm handling.
I know, I know. But it still annoys me. Use the word "accident" and everyone knows what you're talking about. An incident could be just about anything at all.
The word 'accident' bothers me. It removes responsibility from the offender. If your sling breaks and the rifle falls and shoots someone then yeah, an accident. If you pull a trigger and shoot someone in a brown coat digging some mushrooms, pure negligence--not accidental.
Post by: Rainier10 on December 19, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
Let me ask this question: What is so wrong with the state letting the individual decide what color clothing to wear?The same reason they make you wear a seatbelt which I seldom do. :chuckle: Also the reason they make motorcyclists in Washington wear helmets. When I was in Colorado it wasn't required by state law but the military required me to wear one. When on base I did, off base I didn't always wear one.
If someone wishes to risk wearing camo clothing and potentially getting accidentally shot, why should the government care? Just about every state has hunter education requirements and they teach about how orange will help protect you from an accidental shooting, so why not let the individual make that decision?
:dunno:
But I always wear hunter orange.
Funny the rules that we choose to follow and the ones that we choose to not follow.
Post by: bobcat on December 19, 2017, 01:30:13 PM
Thank you Boneaddict for using the word "accident" instead of "incident." :tup:
Nice dig, BC. The word incident is purposely used in Hunter Education. Accidents are for the most part considered unavoidable. "Accidental" shootings, on the other hand, are completely avoidable if you always follow safety rules for firearm handling.
I know, I know. But it still annoys me. Use the word "accident" and everyone knows what you're talking about. An incident could be just about anything at all.
The word 'accident' bothers me. It removes responsibility from the offender. If your sling breaks and the rifle falls and shoots someone then yeah, an accident. If you pull a trigger and shoot someone in a brown coat digging some mushrooms, pure negligence--not accidental.
I understand but even if negligent it's still an accident.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2017, 01:33:06 PM
Let me ask this question: What is so wrong with the state letting the individual decide what color clothing to wear?
If someone wishes to risk wearing camo clothing and potentially getting accidentally shot, why should the government care? Just about every state has hunter education requirements and they teach about how orange will help protect you from an accidental shooting, so why not let the individual make that decision?
:dunno:
Because they want it to be the safest sport possible to continue garnering public support when such a small portion of the population hunts (less than 4% in WA). Pictures of little Timmy taken at the 6th grade Christmas play in a story about his demise at the hand of his father in the woods doesn't help our heritage. Along with all the other news which paints gun ownership in such a horrible light, it benefits us to keep the numbers of incidents/accidents as low as possible.
Post by: ballpark on December 19, 2017, 02:19:40 PM
Opening morning, all stoked to hunt the elusive "true" spike, actually can't wait until Wednesday to hunt on the wind farm which we did with success :tup:
So opening morning I'm sitting just inside the tree line discouraged by the # of hunters I've seen, when I spot 2 guys making their way towards me. I have a solid blaze orange ball cap and vest on and assume they see me. They keep coming closer and closer to within 10' when the lead guy says "OH SH--, I didn't see you, sorry, how's the hunting going" to which I just shake my head and turn around. :bash:
Sometimes it doesn't matter what you're wearing but I will continue to wear the vest, even in Idaho where it's not required. :tup:
Post by: 3nails on December 19, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
Now for my humble opinion on the safety aspect. If you drove to your hunting spot, smoke cigarettes, drink pop, eat fast food, work outside of an office, or any other activity or habit that is at least 100x more likely to kill you than getting accidentally shot I think you have greater concerns. Also, if it is about public safety, why aren't hikers, bike riders, etc also required to wear it?
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Post by: X-Force on December 19, 2017, 03:53:43 PM
If it were really a safety issue, wouldn't EVERY user group be required to wear it? :dunno:
I think in high trafficked areas during modern season it should be required for every user group; hikers, joggers, etc.
Only about half of the hunters I see in the woods during modern have hunter orange on. It seems the farther you are from a road the less people where it.
Post by: Curly on December 19, 2017, 04:06:19 PM
Let me ask this question: What is so wrong with the state letting the individual decide what color clothing to wear?
If someone wishes to risk wearing camo clothing and potentially getting accidentally shot, why should the government care? Just about every state has hunter education requirements and they teach about how orange will help protect you from an accidental shooting, so why not let the individual make that decision?
:dunno:
Because they want it to be the safest sport possible to continue garnering public support when such a small portion of the population hunts (less than 4% in WA). Pictures of little Timmy taken at the 6th grade Christmas play in a story about his demise at the hand of his father in the woods doesn't help our heritage. Along with all the other news which paints gun ownership in such a horrible light, it benefits us to keep the numbers of incidents/accidents as low as possible.
:tup: I like that answer. :tup:
Post by: trophyhunt on December 19, 2017, 04:23:34 PM
What I find amusing about people refusing to wear hunter orange is the fact that so few hunters are aware that deer really cannot see orange. The results of a lot of testing have proven that. And, one color that they absolutely see best is blue. How many deer hunters do you see every year hunting in blue jeans? When I mention that fact to people I see wearing jeans in the field, the response is usually along the lines........"I've always worn blue jeans when I hunt and I've shot a lot of deer".They may not see colors but they definetly pick out solids way easier than broken patterns. When I do wear orange it’s only the camo orange, but if I kill something and it needs packed out, I put solid orange on it.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on December 19, 2017, 04:32:23 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 19, 2017, 04:34:06 PM
Post by: hunter399 on December 19, 2017, 04:55:43 PM
What I find amusing about people refusing to wear hunter orange is the fact that so few hunters are aware that deer really cannot see orange. The results of a lot of testing have proven that. And, one color that they absolutely see best is blue. How many deer hunters do you see every year hunting in blue jeans? When I mention that fact to people I see wearing jeans in the field, the response is usually along the lines........"I've always worn blue jeans when I hunt and I've shot a lot of deer".They may not see colors but they definetly pick out solids way easier than broken patterns. When I do wear orange it’s only the camo orange, but if I kill something and it needs packed out, I put solid orange on it.
From what I'm reading deer see Orange as a certain shade of grey , so no they can't see Orange,but when deer associat that shade of grey, with danger means they can see it,just can't see it the way we do.
Deer show a slight sensitivity to yellow, but tests indicate that green, orange, and red appear to them as shades of gray.
https://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/hunting/2003/06/what-deer-see
The answer to our question is: No, deer cannot see blaze orange the same way that humans see it. It likely appears brown or gray to deer. But they are more sensitive to blue wavelengths than humans, and probably to clothing that has been washed in detergent that contains UV brighteners.Dec 5, 2012
They can tell your wearing it ,it just sticks out as a shade of grey instead of Orange.I'm sure that 10 grey blobs coming at them ,everyday,there not gonna catch on about that color of grey means danger .
Post by: boneaddict on December 19, 2017, 05:06:03 PM
What I find amusing about people refusing to wear hunter orange is the fact that so few hunters are aware that deer really cannot see orange. The results of a lot of testing have proven that. And, one color that they absolutely see best is blue. How many deer hunters do you see every year hunting in blue jeans? When I mention that fact to people I see wearing jeans in the field, the response is usually along the lines........"I've always worn blue jeans when I hunt and I've shot a lot of deer".
Lol, you wouldn’t believe the deer I’ve killed while wearing blue jeans, or photograph for that matter. Sound with jeans is more of an issue than color. But...back on subject
Post by: hunter399 on December 19, 2017, 05:15:39 PM
I agree I'm a jeans guy also,I don't think I have worn any different pants in the woods besides jeans,carry on with Orange topic.What I find amusing about people refusing to wear hunter orange is the fact that so few hunters are aware that deer really cannot see orange. The results of a lot of testing have proven that. And, one color that they absolutely see best is blue. How many deer hunters do you see every year hunting in blue jeans? When I mention that fact to people I see wearing jeans in the field, the response is usually along the lines........"I've always worn blue jeans when I hunt and I've shot a lot of deer".
Lol, you wouldn’t believe the deer I’ve killed while wearing blue jeans, or photograph for that matter. Sound with jeans is more of an issue than color. But...back on subject
Post by: pope on December 19, 2017, 06:21:05 PM
Post by: lord grizzly on December 19, 2017, 07:46:18 PM
WE do just fine in Idaho w/out it!
Funny I wear it over here and do just fine too. If you knew the level of idiot some of the guys out there are at your wear it too
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 19, 2017, 08:31:39 PM
WE do just fine in Idaho w/out it!
Funny I wear it over here and do just fine too. If you knew the level of idiot some of the guys out there are at your wear it too
Ya and most of em are here, I don't wear it here or anywhere that requires it. Kinda like speeding, wearing your seatbelt, handsfree etc....
Post by: Dan-o on December 19, 2017, 08:39:18 PM
It only takes once......
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Post by: Elk329 on December 20, 2017, 04:42:18 AM
Years Fatal Incidents Self-Inflicted Fatal Incidents
1937-1946 75 24
1947-1956 102 24
1957-1966 62 16
1967-1976 56 N/A
1977-1986 37 N/A
1987-1996 20 5
1997-2006 8 2
2007-2009 5 2
2010 2
Hunter Orange Has Been Required Since 9-1-1991
Hunter Education Started in WA 1957
These are some numbers I've taken from Incident reports that I use in Hunter Ed Class. Have a couple of Charts that I couldn't get to post but these are the numbers
Post by: trophyhunt on December 20, 2017, 06:19:51 AM
I was hoping you'd have my back!! :tup:WE do just fine in Idaho w/out it!
Funny I wear it over here and do just fine too. If you knew the level of idiot some of the guys out there are at your wear it too
Ya and most of em are here, I don't wear it here or anywhere that requires it. Kinda like speeding, wearing your seatbelt, handsfree etc....
Post by: dscubame on December 20, 2017, 06:29:54 AM
WE do just fine in Idaho w/out it!
Bingo
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 20, 2017, 06:38:23 AM
WE do just fine in Idaho w/out it!
Bingo
Of course, this is a little like the meme that has a picture of 4 kids riding in the back of a pick-up and says "We survived no seat belts, lead paint, and riding in the back off a pick-up truck just fine." The ones who didn't survive aren't going to be refuting the claim. :dunno: I'd wear orange during modern whether required or not. Of course, I also have earthquake insurance, so...
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 20, 2017, 06:39:10 AM
Post by: dscubame on December 20, 2017, 06:45:01 AM
We also do fine in AK and AZ without it!!!
Double Bingo
Post by: Bullkllr on December 20, 2017, 07:18:38 AM
I don't have any evidence it makes a difference with game; in my experience deer/elk vision is 99.9% keyed to movement. If they are used to spotting predators, they can see you no matter what you're wearing if you give them a chance. :twocents:
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 20, 2017, 07:26:04 AM
I deal with a lot larger segment of the population than most, and if you've seen what I've seen, you would probably wear orange on a daily basis :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 20, 2017, 07:33:47 AM
Post by: Remnar on December 21, 2017, 03:26:38 AM
Years Fatal Incidents Self-Inflicted Fatal Incidents
1937-1946 75 24
1947-1956 102 24
1957-1966 62 16
1967-1976 56 N/A
1977-1986 37 N/A
1987-1996 20 5
1997-2006 8 2
2007-2009 5 2
2010 2
Hunter Orange Has Been Required Since 9-1-1991
Hunter Education Started in WA 1957
These are some numbers I've taken from Incident reports that I use in Hunter Ed Class. Have a couple of Charts that I couldn't get to post but these are the numbers
Are these only WA numbers ? Just curious .
Post by: ballpark on December 21, 2017, 07:30:45 AM
I wear it to be legal. In Idaho I wear it only in certain situations like dragging out a deer, coming out after dark, etc.
Now for my humble opinion on the safety aspect. If you drove to your hunting spot, smoke cigarettes, drink pop, eat fast food, work outside of an office, or any other activity or habit that is at least 100x more likely to kill you than getting accidentally shot I think you have greater concerns. Also, if it is about public safety, why aren't hikers, bike riders, etc also required to wear it?
Seeing orange has helped me avoid hunters in the past :tup:
Post by: baker5150 on December 21, 2017, 08:07:02 AM
I don't want to get shot, and the older I get the more I realize how many idiots there are in the woods.
Post by: JakeLand on December 21, 2017, 09:28:51 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 21, 2017, 09:49:13 AM
Post by: elksnout on December 21, 2017, 05:44:33 PM
Elksnout
Post by: Elk329 on December 22, 2017, 05:22:26 AM
Yes these are just Washington Numbers
Years Fatal Incidents Self-Inflicted Fatal Incidents
1937-1946 75 24
1947-1956 102 24
1957-1966 62 16
1967-1976 56 N/A
1977-1986 37 N/A
1987-1996 20 5
1997-2006 8 2
2007-2009 5 2
2010 2
Hunter Orange Has Been Required Since 9-1-1991
Hunter Education Started in WA 1957
These are some numbers I've taken from Incident reports that I use in Hunter Ed Class. Have a couple of Charts that I couldn't get to post but these are the numbers
Are these only WA numbers ? Just curious .
Post by: mazama on December 22, 2017, 11:08:26 AM
Post by: Bofire on December 22, 2017, 11:40:39 AM
Carl
Post by: baker5150 on December 22, 2017, 12:42:14 PM
I follow the law, but that argument about "if it works just once" "if it saved just one life" I hate. If this were true you would have to get rid of your bathtub "cuz it might save one life"
Carl
If it worked just once for you, would feel the same way? Heck, it may have worked for you, and you didn't even know it.
Post by: White Pass Outfitters on December 22, 2017, 01:59:49 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 22, 2017, 02:32:54 PM
Whats next you have to wear a hard hat in the woods in case a tree limb falls. I dont want other people to see me or see where I have been. And I dont see how anyone can call it an accident when one hunter shoots another, prosecute to the max when a shooting accrues. When your hunting 3 pt or spike only areas how the hell can someone mistake you for an elk or deer. I think its more when hunters get scared or drink to much the night before. Guns and Alcohol are not friends.It's inexplicable, but it happens and I prefer to minimize the chances of it happening to me.
http://www.wta.org/news/signpost/hiker-killed-by-hunter-on-sauk-mountain
According to media reports, including this AP story in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, the hiker was Pamela Almli, a resident of Oso, a small town near Arlington. Almli, who was on a day hike up the popular trail in the Mount Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest, had bent down to put something into her pack when she was mistaken for a bear by the young shooter.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/03/nyregion/hunter-charged-shooting.html
A hunter accused of fatally shooting his neighbor after mistaking her for a deer was arraigned on a charge of second-degree manslaughter on Thursday in a western New York court.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00993/wdfw00993.pdf
The shooter thought the noise was either a large buck rubbing its antlers or a bear stripping and eating bark from a tree. As he crawled to within 40 yards of the noise, he could also see trees moving. The shooter convinced himself that the dark form he saw was a bear, and he fired. Upon hearing screams, the shooter raced back to his car. After reading in the local newspaper that an unknown shooter had shot a brush picker, the victim contacted investigating officers the next day and explained the shooting incident from his perspective.
http://www.wrfalp.com/sherman-woman-fatally-shot-after-being-mistaken-for-deer-by-hunter/
According to Jadlowski, he believed he saw a deer in a field when he fired a single shot pistol. Jadlowski reported hearing a scream and he immediately responded to the area approximately 200 yards away where he discovered Billquist. Jadlowski called 911 and applied pressure to Billquist’s wound until EMS arrived.
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Post by: Special T on December 22, 2017, 02:37:50 PM
How many of you have run across mushroom/brush pickers that are wearing Brown, black, green rain gear during modern seasons? I have and asked them what were they thinking?
The lady on Sauk Mt near me in Black during bear season. The brush picker down south.... I got it but perhaps some awareness campaigns by sportsmen. To remind folks whom are not required by law...
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Post by: 724wd on December 22, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 22, 2017, 06:36:44 PM
but if it's so good, why aren't ALL people in the woods required to wear it? :dunno: a friend and I both had our rifles on what turned out to be a man in a black coat pushing brush for his son we didn't know was there. :yike: but because we both wanted to fully identify our target, we didn't just "shoot the black"Do you want a law mandating that everyone wear orange during hunting seasons? What type of message does that send about hunters?
Post by: Katmai Guy on December 22, 2017, 06:38:01 PM
but if it's so good, why aren't ALL people in the woods required to wear it? :dunno: a friend and I both had our rifles on what turned out to be a man in a black coat pushing brush for his son we didn't know was there. :yike: but because we both wanted to fully identify our target, we didn't just "shoot the black"
:yeah: require it of all people using state and federal land open to hunting. Incidents will go to zero. See how fast the pinecone eaters spout up about that.
Post by: Katmai Guy on December 22, 2017, 06:39:04 PM
but if it's so good, why aren't ALL people in the woods required to wear it? :dunno: a friend and I both had our rifles on what turned out to be a man in a black coat pushing brush for his son we didn't know was there. :yike: but because we both wanted to fully identify our target, we didn't just "shoot the black"Do you want a law mandating that everyone wear orange during hunting seasons? What type of message does that send about hunters?
That we are safety consious.
Post by: aaronoto on December 22, 2017, 08:51:01 PM
I won't wear it during bear season (unless season overlap requires me to), but if I hunted deer or elk I would wear it whether it was required or not.
Post by: dscubame on December 22, 2017, 09:05:59 PM
Like getting a seatbelt ticket from a motorcycle cop.
Post by: 724wd on December 24, 2017, 09:55:47 AM
but if it's so good, why aren't ALL people in the woods required to wear it? :dunno: a friend and I both had our rifles on what turned out to be a man in a black coat pushing brush for his son we didn't know was there. :yike: but because we both wanted to fully identify our target, we didn't just "shoot the black"Do you want a law mandating that everyone wear orange during hunting seasons? What type of message does that send about hunters?
but you're ok with being the ONLY group required to wear it? I think it should be your choice what wardrobe you want to hunt in. what's a hunter orange ticket run these days?
Post by: huntnphool on December 24, 2017, 10:38:50 AM
Post by: Dan-o on December 24, 2017, 11:01:38 AM
It would be interesting to know how many people are accidentally shot because someone was using their scope to identify movement rather than bino's.
I have had this happen at least once.
Man, I was pissed!!!!! :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Had my bino's on a guy pointing his rifle right at me.
Post by: Special T on December 25, 2017, 07:02:19 AM
It would appear that the same logical justification can be used for civilians as hunters. If only one life is saved doesn't that make hunters look better? I don't see how a brush picker or hiker dressed in blacknor Brown getting clipped helps hunters image any...but if it's so good, why aren't ALL people in the woods required to wear it? :dunno: a friend and I both had our rifles on what turned out to be a man in a black coat pushing brush for his son we didn't know was there. :yike: but because we both wanted to fully identify our target, we didn't just "shoot the black"Do you want a law mandating that everyone wear orange during hunting seasons? What type of message does that send about hunters?
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Post by: Bob33 on December 25, 2017, 07:39:47 AM
Post by: jjaba on December 25, 2017, 09:45:39 AM
Post by: GurrCentral on December 25, 2017, 10:33:10 AM
Post by: AWS on December 25, 2017, 03:20:56 PM
Big game hunting isn't much of a deal in this state, not very many hunters, but when you get to states like WI and MN with 500,000 hunters out on opening day. In those two states I hunted when just red or red plaid was required(red looks dark for quite awhile in the morning). When the change to orange was required it was amazing how well you could see other hunters. for me it is a no brainer.
Post by: MightyWhite on January 05, 2018, 05:29:04 PM
Post by: TommyGun496 on January 07, 2018, 02:14:08 PM
I wear it during modern seasons with no regrets or concerns. I can't think of a downside.
Downside is people looking at you through their scope
At least they won’t mistake you for a game animal from 400yrds and pull the trigger???
Post by: BigGoonTuna on January 08, 2018, 04:19:50 AM
Post by: Alpine Mojo on January 10, 2018, 06:33:24 PM
Do you want a law mandating that everyone wear orange during hunting seasons? What type of message does that send about hunters?
Sounds like you need to make a decision, Bob. Are you concerned about hurting people's feelings? Or are you truly worried about everyone being seen?
Personally I couldn't care less about any message it sends to anyone. Anti-hunters aren't going to change their mind just like hunters aren't going to change theirs. Your sensitive feelings aren't going to convince anyone.
Post by: Bob33 on January 10, 2018, 06:46:17 PM
I am concerned about the future of hunting.Do you want a law mandating that everyone wear orange during hunting seasons? What type of message does that send about hunters?
Sounds like you need to make a decision, Bob. Are you concerned about hurting people's feelings? Or are you truly worried about everyone being seen?
Personally I couldn't care less about any message it sends to anyone. Anti-hunters aren't going to change their mind just like hunters aren't going to change theirs. Your sensitive feelings aren't going to convince anyone.
It's clear you don't care about anti-hunter sentiments. Given they're 97% of our population, I do.
When the Sauk Mountain hiker was shot by a hunter in 2008 it very nearly closed the fall bear season in Washington.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 10, 2018, 07:00:34 PM
Post by: idaho guy on January 10, 2018, 07:13:35 PM
I don't like the government telling us what color clothing to wear. They should at least allow a variety of colors instead of only orange. I believe fluorescent pink is more visible in the woods than orange. Why isn't pink an option? Also, I seriously doubt that wearing orange increases success rates. That seems like a "fact" invented by the proponents of hunter orange. This is the first time I have ever heard of that.x2 And I think hot pink should be an option. It would make my hunting partners uncomfortable. :chuckle:
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The desire to make pink an option makes my gaydar alarm go on high alert. :chuckle: I agree options beside orange make sense in idaho during rifle season I have always wore black and red checkered Woolly pretty visible to people but still breaks up your image. It’s like digital camo only better made with real animals fur so it sounds completely natural when brushing up against limbs sticks and brush! Also keeps you warm in rain snow or sun! Don’t tell Sitka or any of the big clothing guys I don’t want the price to skyrocket! sorry got a little of track with that but I agree multiple options would make sense. I usually wear orange when hunting states like Montana where it’s required
Post by: KFhunter on January 10, 2018, 07:28:46 PM
I always thought it served 2 purposes:
1) so not to get shot
2) so game wardens can find you easier :tung:
and why care if it's called hunters orange or blaze orange :dunno:
Post by: Dan-o on January 10, 2018, 07:50:38 PM
I am concerned about the future of hunting.Do you want a law mandating that everyone wear orange during hunting seasons? What type of message does that send about hunters?
Sounds like you need to make a decision, Bob. Are you concerned about hurting people's feelings? Or are you truly worried about everyone being seen?
Personally I couldn't care less about any message it sends to anyone. Anti-hunters aren't going to change their mind just like hunters aren't going to change theirs. Your sensitive feelings aren't going to convince anyone.
It's clear you don't care about anti-hunter sentiments. Given they're 97% of our population, I do.
When the Sauk Mountain hiker was shot by a hunter in 2008 it very nearly closed the fall bear season in Washington.
Post by: Alpine Mojo on January 13, 2018, 05:10:34 PM
When the Sauk Mountain hiker was shot by a hunter in 2008 it very nearly closed the fall bear season in Washington.
No it didn't. Not even close. The anti's got some extra media attention, but that was about it. They got their 15 minutes of fame and then the media moved on to the next scandal.