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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: Instinct on January 06, 2018, 09:37:54 PM

Title: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: Instinct on January 06, 2018, 09:37:54 PM: So I just bought a Knight vision muzzleloader back in Oct. Just got to shooting it today. When I fire nothing happens, take out the musket cap, same thing. I eventually got 1 to fire. My buddy uses the bighorn an same powder an caps an his fires but did notice the caps in mine the firing pin punches a hole. They are Western legals and have us both confused, I'm new too muzzleloading so I'm seeking some advise.
Cci musket caps, triple 7 pellets, federal trophy copper BOR lok is what I'm using.
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: slowhand on January 06, 2018, 09:51:46 PM: I would read the owners manual. Could be something really simple
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 06, 2018, 09:55:40 PM: kind of sounds like the nipple might not be square. Did it get dry fired much? Does it have a lip forming around the area where it is cutting the hole in the caps?
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: Instinct on January 06, 2018, 10:10:22 PM: I read the manual and didn't say anything.

I fired it 3 times then the 4th went off 2 more times nothing. Lip, I can't say didn't look at the caps close enough just noticed a hole where the pin hits. Looking at the sample test fire primer looks to be off centered.
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: Old Dog on January 06, 2018, 10:24:06 PM: Check the box and make sure it's the western model. Kinda sounds like you may have ended up with the Full Plastic Jacket. The nipple looks similar to a musket nipple, and regarding the hole in the musket cap I think the western model has a flat receiver to strike the musket cap. I'm not certain, and knight's web site is useless, but maybe. :dunno:
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: Instinct on January 06, 2018, 10:44:18 PM: It's Western no full plastic jacket. Everything is exposed.
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: robodad on January 06, 2018, 11:52:28 PM: Pellets are a problem for musket caps IMO, try some 777 loose FFF or FFFF and report back, also be sure you clean all the holes in the nipple !!
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: Instinct on January 07, 2018, 12:39:13 AM: Ok I'll try some loose next time. Thank you all.
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: wapitislayer on January 07, 2018, 07:57:46 AM: Make sure cap is firmly on nipple
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Post by: Dirty Mike on January 07, 2018, 09:35:29 AM: Send some pics of the breech area
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 07, 2018, 09:42:20 AM: I know for a fact they had some issues with that brand new. A Buddy had the same problem with his. Contact knight. It is probably a bolt/firing pin issue. They will get you squared away. I highly recommend knight to everyone who asks what to buy. Felt pretty crappy when you recommend them and there’s issues like these brand new from the factory.
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Post by: pawpaw1934 on January 07, 2018, 10:26:32 AM: PM sent.
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: jackmaster on January 07, 2018, 10:42:42 AM: Are you gettingbyour caps all the way on the nipple? Is the nipple threaded in all the way ? Take the nipple out and clean it, make sure the breech is clear with super hot water , dry and start over, make sure the nipple is threaded in allbthe wsy , maybe switch to cci caps, it's all I have ever used and they always work..
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: CP on January 07, 2018, 10:58:01 AM: Is the cap going off? If not changing propellant isn't going to help.
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: Mark Brenckle on January 07, 2018, 11:31:07 AM: :yeah: Give Knight a call. They had some issues a couple years ago with their Ultra-Lights not popping the cap, sent mine in and they sent me a new bolt.
@Sabotloader
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: Instinct on January 13, 2018, 03:54:27 PM: Well here's a update. Like to thank you guys for all your input and figured out what was going on finally (got time to shoot it today). After talking to some people they suggested switching to rws caps (was using cci), now I'm getting ignition an the load is going off. Crazy how something simple can drive you bonkers haha.
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on January 22, 2018, 07:45:32 PM: CCI's are usually pretty sensitive, wonder if it's a thickness issue?
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: M_ray on January 22, 2018, 08:32:40 PM: Quote from: Instinct on January 13, 2018, 03:54:27 PM
Well here's a update. Like to thank you guys for all your input and figured out what was going on finally (got time to shoot it today). After talking to some people they suggested switching to rws caps (was using cci), now I'm getting ignition an the load is going off. Crazy how something simple can drive you bonkers haha.

Dynamite Nobel caps and 777 fffg loose and never look back! :twocents:

http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/sportsmans/RWS-Number-11-Percussion-Caps/productDetail/Powder-and-Primers/prod9999010780/cat100011
Title: Re: Question new muzzleloader, won't fire
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 22, 2018, 09:43:11 PM: :yeah: :yeah: