Post by: jstone on January 09, 2018, 08:21:09 AM
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Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2018, 08:30:57 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on January 09, 2018, 08:36:12 AM
Fix Or Repair Daily
Buy a Dodge. You’ll feel better about yourself.
Post by: Special T on January 09, 2018, 09:44:20 AM
Had a friends new Cummins throw a code for the Def Fluid sensor. Gave them 250 miles or so to take to the dealer before it went into limp mode. Thing was almost new. And they were getting ready to go on a trip.
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Post by: Encore 280 on January 09, 2018, 09:47:19 AM
Post by: huntnphool on January 09, 2018, 09:49:59 AM
Found On Road Dead
Fix Or Repair Daily
Buy a Dodge. You’ll feel better about yourself.
I own a couple Ford Diesels, one has 500k+ original miles that I drive almost daily....I feel pretty good about my purchases. :twocents:
Post by: Curly on January 09, 2018, 09:52:03 AM
;)
Post by: Encore 280 on January 09, 2018, 09:58:12 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on January 09, 2018, 10:00:14 AM
Found On Road DeadIf you have to buy a Dodge to feel better about yourself, you have more issues than even a Ford can fix. :chuckle:
Fix Or Repair Daily
Buy a Dodge. You’ll feel better about yourself.
Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2018, 10:00:21 AM
With all the new emmision control garbage im not really sure the new diesels are worth the hefty sum they want for them. Even the Cummins that I love.
Had a friends new Cummins throw a code for the Def Fluid sensor. Gave them 250 miles or so to take to the dealer before it went into limp mode. Thing was almost new. And they were getting ready to go on a trip.
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They're seeing ~30mpg's on these F150's in the early stages. Our zone rep was here yesterday chattering about them a little.
You guys can talk all you want, but Fords and Dodges all break. They just have different problems. I have made lots and lots of mortgage payments based off of selling repairs and service work on both brands. I deal with lots of construction companies and city municipalities. Several of them are going away from diesels all together due to the fact that the DEF/regen/DPF stuff is not conducive to the work they need the trucks to do. Long idle times and they never get out on the road and get driven don't work well in these environments.
Post by: Timberstalker on January 09, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
Found On Road Dead
Fix Or Repair Daily
Buy a Dodge. You’ll feel better about yourself.
I own a couple Ford Diesels, one has 500k+ original miles that I drive almost daily....I feel pretty good about my purchases. :twocents:
Hopefully you know I’m only poking fun....
But do you shoot a 6.5 creedmoor too?
Post by: huntnphool on January 09, 2018, 10:09:08 AM
Found On Road Dead
Fix Or Repair Daily
Buy a Dodge. You’ll feel better about yourself.
I own a couple Ford Diesels, one has 500k+ original miles that I drive almost daily....I feel pretty good about my purchases. :twocents:
Hopefully you know I’m only poking fun....
But do you shoot a 6.5 creedmoor too?
I do know you're joking, and that is one of the few I do not own. ;)
Post by: cavemann on January 09, 2018, 10:19:08 AM
in all seriousness.. What do you drive?? All said and done with your knowledge and work you do, I'm curious as to what is your reliable daily driver and hunting rigs are.
Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2018, 10:57:53 AM
@jackelope
in all seriousness.. What do you drive?? All said and done with your knowledge and work you do, I'm curious as to what is your reliable daily driver and hunting rigs are.
We own a 14 Explorer that my wife drives and I (gulp) traded my 235k miles 2002 Chevy Silverado in that I owned for 11+years to buy the Exploder. I took her 2006 Grand Cherokee which is totally going against the norm at 165k hard, extremely trouble free miles. It's been all over this state and a few others and has seen lots of dirt roads. It's hammered now as I use it for a lot of the stuff I used to use my truck for. Have you ever seen what a bale of hay will do to the inside of an SUV?
I would like to buy another truck soon. Sort of torn as to what I want, but I can say with 100% confidence that the only thing I will worry about when buying it will be comfort. It will either be a Ford, Chevy or Dodge. More than likely won't be a dodge because I don't like the way they look. Leaning hard toward an F-150 with the 5.0 V8 but don't think the ecoboost would be bad either. I've even been looking at some of the 2.7 ecoboosts. I would have no issues owning another Chevy truck. Mine was great.
Post by: Special T on January 09, 2018, 11:05:38 AM
You stated what I was thinking, but better.With all the new emmision control garbage im not really sure the new diesels are worth the hefty sum they want for them. Even the Cummins that I love.
Had a friends new Cummins throw a code for the Def Fluid sensor. Gave them 250 miles or so to take to the dealer before it went into limp mode. Thing was almost new. And they were getting ready to go on a trip.
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They're seeing ~30mpg's on these F150's in the early stages. Our zone rep was here yesterday chattering about them a little.
You guys can talk all you want, but Fords and Dodges all break. They just have different problems. I have made lots and lots of mortgage payments based off of selling repairs and service work on both brands. I deal with lots of construction companies and city municipalities. Several of them are going away from diesels all together due to the fact that the DEF/regen/DPF stuff is not conducive to the work they need the trucks to do. Long idle times and they never get out on the road and get driven don't work well in these environments.
I'm seeing more gas 3/4-1ton purchases in my industry for the same reason. I know of a couple that will go gas in thier F450s when they purchase new ones.
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Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2018, 12:27:38 PM
Post by: TheHunt on January 09, 2018, 01:23:34 PM
Post by: Wingin it on January 09, 2018, 09:38:04 PM
Post by: Stein on January 09, 2018, 09:53:37 PM
Post by: Special T on January 09, 2018, 10:30:54 PM
Perfect answer to the problem of the 1/2 ton owner who was wondering how he could spend more on maintenance.Lol
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Post by: b23 on January 11, 2018, 10:23:17 AM
The New 3.0L Power Stroke® Turbo Diesel V6
As part of its most advanced engine lineup ever, the 2018 Ford F-150 will offer a much-anticipated new alternative. The new 3.0L Power Stroke® Turbo Diesel V6 is built on the legacy of the tried-and-true Super Duty diesel, designed to deliver outstanding power in a hard-working truck.
The new diesel F-150 is ideal for drivers who tow and haul frequently. It’s rated to deliver 11,400 lbs. maximum towing, 250 hp at 3250 RPM, and an impressive 440 lb.-ft. of torque at just 1750 rpm.
Mark your calendar. Availability is scheduled for spring 2018.
Post by: Stein on January 17, 2018, 06:38:35 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 17, 2018, 07:52:16 AM
:dunno:
Post by: aaronoto on January 17, 2018, 02:08:26 PM
You can buy an F150 right now that is rated to tow more than the diesel will.
:dunno:
The 3.5 EB looks a little too good when compared to the diesel that I'm not sure the diesel would be worth the upcharge.
Post by: jackelope on January 17, 2018, 03:45:08 PM
You can buy an F150 right now that is rated to tow more than the diesel will.
:dunno:
The 3.5 EB looks a little too good when compared to the diesel that I'm not sure the diesel would be worth the upcharge.
^^^^^^^^^^
I don't get it.
Post by: bigmacc on January 18, 2018, 03:40:43 PM
Post by: baker5150 on January 18, 2018, 03:57:17 PM
Just some input for you jackelope, I bought a brand new 2.7 ecoboost 2 years ago and love it, I towed a 6,000lb trailer all over the west last summer. One trip was to Yellowstone and Jackson hole, went over a lot of passes at 60mph plus, some relatives were with us both pulling their trailers with Dodge trucks(one was a Hemi and the other a diesel), the 2.7 with the tow package out performed both :tup:
Outperformed at Dodge diesel??
In what way?
Post by: bigmacc on January 18, 2018, 04:59:27 PM
Just some input for you jackelope, I bought a brand new 2.7 ecoboost 2 years ago and love it, I towed a 6,000lb trailer all over the west last summer. One trip was to Yellowstone and Jackson hole, went over a lot of passes at 60mph plus, some relatives were with us both pulling their trailers with Dodge trucks(one was a Hemi and the other a diesel), the 2.7 with the tow package out performed both :tup:
Outperformed at Dodge diesel??
In what way?
Pulling the passes, there is a ton of youtube videos from all the truck magazines, check out the one where they have the 2.7 eco. pulling a 7,000 lb trailer over the "Gauntlet" in Colorado, those twin turbos are like a rocket when you put your foot into it.
Post by: jackelope on January 18, 2018, 05:10:23 PM
Post by: bigmacc on January 18, 2018, 05:22:56 PM
Those ecoboost engines are impressive as heck. I'm getting close to buying a new truck and am looking hard at the 2.7. I have to get psychologically past the sound of it, but I'm not at all concerned about it's performance.
:chuckle: I hear ya about the sound of it, I have a buddy who is getting some new exhaust put on his to make it sound a little "meaner" :chuckle:. My father in law (80 years old) is a retired Ford mechanic (45 yrs on the job), when I bought it and broke it in a little I took him out for a drive, we got out on a nice straight stretch with no traffic and had him floor it, it literally snaps you back into the seat like a rocket taking off, he was very impressed and said he had heard a lot of good things about "the little engine that could" from folks he knows that are still in the business. I got the 355 gears with the tow package,375lb torque, 325 horsepower and getting around 22MPH regular driving (around 12 to 14 towing).
Post by: Alchase on January 18, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
Has a decent payload capability though.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 18, 2018, 06:41:35 PM
Drive it friendly and it sips gas. Step on it and it uses more. The sport mode button is pretty fun too. :chuckle:
Post by: baker5150 on January 18, 2018, 06:54:34 PM
Just some input for you jackelope, I bought a brand new 2.7 ecoboost 2 years ago and love it, I towed a 6,000lb trailer all over the west last summer. One trip was to Yellowstone and Jackson hole, went over a lot of passes at 60mph plus, some relatives were with us both pulling their trailers with Dodge trucks(one was a Hemi and the other a diesel), the 2.7 with the tow package out performed both :tup:
Outperformed at Dodge diesel??
In what way?
Pulling the passes, there is a ton of youtube videos from all the truck magazines, check out the one where they have the 2.7 eco. pulling a 7,000 lb trailer over the "Gauntlet" in Colorado, those twin turbos are like a rocket when you put your foot into it.
Wow. Those vids are no joke. I never would have thought they would have that much capability.
Post by: jackelope on January 18, 2018, 06:59:34 PM
My 3.5 averages 19.5 on the screen everyday driving. Took it loaded (no trailer) to Wyoming and Colorado this fall and we averaged 16.5-17 on those trips with decent amount of woods driving and 4x4 in snow and cruise set at 85+ there and back.
Drive it friendly and it sips gas. Step on it and it uses more. The sport mode button is pretty fun too. :chuckle:
If you hear the turbos spooling up, you’re trying too hard :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on January 18, 2018, 07:01:49 PM
Car and driver did a 2.7 eco test for 1000 miles on a 2 wheel drive extended cab and had a “real world” 17 mpg daily driving. 25% less then advertised by Ford.
Has a decent payload capability though.
Published MPG estimates are pretty much for the birds. They’re estimates based on perfect world scenarios. No stop and go traffic. No hills. No red light every 2 blocks. Those ecoboosts do pretty good as long as you keep your foot out of them. Once the turbos kick in, kiss your gas mileage bye bye.
Post by: bigmacc on January 18, 2018, 07:11:27 PM
Just some input for you jackelope, I bought a brand new 2.7 ecoboost 2 years ago and love it, I towed a 6,000lb trailer all over the west last summer. One trip was to Yellowstone and Jackson hole, went over a lot of passes at 60mph plus, some relatives were with us both pulling their trailers with Dodge trucks(one was a Hemi and the other a diesel), the 2.7 with the tow package out performed both :tup:
Outperformed at Dodge diesel??
In what way?
Pulling the passes, there is a ton of youtube videos from all the truck magazines, check out the one where they have the 2.7 eco. pulling a 7,000 lb trailer over the "Gauntlet" in Colorado, those twin turbos are like a rocket when you put your foot into it.
Wow. Those vids are no joke. I never would have thought they would have that much capability.
:tup: Yes pretty impressive. Like others have said when those turbos kick in the mileage does suffer. Everyday driving for me I average about 22, when pulling the trailer its half that, did you watch some of the drag strip tests they did with the 2.7L VS the v-8 dodge and Chevys, once again, very impressive for a 2.7L V-6
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 18, 2018, 07:26:10 PM
but it sounds so dang cool! 8)My 3.5 averages 19.5 on the screen everyday driving. Took it loaded (no trailer) to Wyoming and Colorado this fall and we averaged 16.5-17 on those trips with decent amount of woods driving and 4x4 in snow and cruise set at 85+ there and back.
Drive it friendly and it sips gas. Step on it and it uses more. The sport mode button is pretty fun too. :chuckle:
If you hear the turbos spooling up, you’re trying too hard :chuckle:
Post by: jkthomps on January 18, 2018, 08:18:02 PM
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Post by: Miles on January 19, 2018, 03:04:26 AM
I’ve heard a lot of guys go back and trade up to a 3/4 ton after realizing the shortcomings. This was from a local dealer. Only exception being the guys that don’t use their trucks for towing and just like having the diesel instead of the Prius they drove around for years. Lol
Post by: The Real Sisu on January 19, 2018, 12:16:32 PM
Told my son when he's ready he gets the payments on my new used rig so he can have the other.
After reading about all the new diesels I'll never buy one. The 06 is great. All I add is a lubricant anti jell to the fuel.
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Post by: Special T on January 19, 2018, 12:26:45 PM
I'm happy with my 2006 5.9 Dodge Cummins but living in Juneau I've amassed 48K miles so it's not even broken in. I'm thinking of giving it to my son for his construction business on the Big Island buying a gas rig than can tow my 6200 lbs of boat weight to the launch and back. One launch is 10 minutes the other is a long way out 30minutes 😂😂😂That rig is one of the last good ones your son would be a fool not to take you up on it.
Told my son when he's ready he gets the payments on my new used rig so he can have the other.
After reading about all the new diesels I'll never buy one. The 06 is great. All I add is a lubricant anti jell to the fuel.
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Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2018, 02:10:28 PM
I get better mileage than the numbers posted here, and that’s with a crew cab 2500 Duramax. I guess I’m not seeing what is so appealing about them? Maybe a little cheaper than a real diesel, but you can’t tow much and get crappy mileage by the sounds.The new diesel F150 mpg's?
I’ve heard a lot of guys go back and trade up to a 3/4 ton after realizing the shortcomings. This was from a local dealer. Only exception being the guys that don’t use their trucks for towing and just like having the diesel instead of the Prius they drove around for years. Lol
You're not saying you're getting over 30mpg's with your truck are you?
The other ones we've been talking about are the gas F150 ecoboost for the most part.
Post by: Miles on January 19, 2018, 02:52:13 PM
I get better mileage than the numbers posted here, and that’s with a crew cab 2500 Duramax. I guess I’m not seeing what is so appealing about them? Maybe a little cheaper than a real diesel, but you can’t tow much and get crappy mileage by the sounds.The new diesel F150 mpg's?
I’ve heard a lot of guys go back and trade up to a 3/4 ton after realizing the shortcomings. This was from a local dealer. Only exception being the guys that don’t use their trucks for towing and just like having the diesel instead of the Prius they drove around for years. Lol
You're not saying you're getting over 30mpg's with your truck are you?
The other ones we've been talking about are the gas F150 ecoboost for the most part.
Misunderstanding on my part I thought they were giving mpgs for the diesel. Just saw the title and didn’t pay much attention.
I can average 22 - 25 hwy here in CO. On the way to work close to 25, on the way home closer to 22.
Post by: lamrith on January 19, 2018, 02:54:50 PM
Yeah the Eco is a monster. I get plenty of wide eyed, Holly S comments from people with my car (2013 Taurus SHO with 3.5Eco). The transverse motor is a little different, but tech is the same. Most people cannot grasp just how amazing these Eco's are in terms of torque and pulling power the 2.7ecos are good, the 3.5's are even better based on what I have seen. Not that they are drag vehicles or it relates directly to towing, but there are guys around the country running 11sec 1/4 with F150 3.5eco supercrew daily driver rigs, not bad for a 3.5L gas motor in a big truck and that is heavily due to the extreme torque these motors throw out from early in the RPM curve.Just some input for you jackelope, I bought a brand new 2.7 ecoboost 2 years ago and love it, I towed a 6,000lb trailer all over the west last summer. One trip was to Yellowstone and Jackson hole, went over a lot of passes at 60mph plus, some relatives were with us both pulling their trailers with Dodge trucks(one was a Hemi and the other a diesel), the 2.7 with the tow package out performed both :tup:
Outperformed at Dodge diesel??
In what way?
Pulling the passes, there is a ton of youtube videos from all the truck magazines, check out the one where they have the 2.7 eco. pulling a 7,000 lb trailer over the "Gauntlet" in Colorado, those twin turbos are like a rocket when you put your foot into it.
Wow. Those vids are no joke. I never would have thought they would have that much capability.
As jkthomps mentioned though, there is more to towing that just sheer power, you want a rig that has the mass to counter and control whatever trailer you are pulling. .
Post by: jackelope on January 19, 2018, 02:57:23 PM
:tup:I get better mileage than the numbers posted here, and that’s with a crew cab 2500 Duramax. I guess I’m not seeing what is so appealing about them? Maybe a little cheaper than a real diesel, but you can’t tow much and get crappy mileage by the sounds.The new diesel F150 mpg's?
I’ve heard a lot of guys go back and trade up to a 3/4 ton after realizing the shortcomings. This was from a local dealer. Only exception being the guys that don’t use their trucks for towing and just like having the diesel instead of the Prius they drove around for years. Lol
You're not saying you're getting over 30mpg's with your truck are you?
The other ones we've been talking about are the gas F150 ecoboost for the most part.
Misunderstanding on my part I thought they were giving mpgs for the diesel. Just saw the title and didn’t pay much attention.
I can average 22 - 25 hwy here in CO. On the way to work close to 25, on the way home closer to 22.
That's pretty amazing mpg's for a big pickup.
Post by: DIron on October 31, 2020, 11:04:44 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 31, 2020, 02:53:45 PM
Post by: Mudman on October 31, 2020, 04:39:48 PM
Post by: Stein on October 31, 2020, 05:44:07 PM
So, where does the diesel fit? Maybe you think gas is going up substantially in the future and you are hedging your bet the cost of the diesel will eventually pay out and Ford actually made a good diesel that doesn't have a $5k repair bill looming?
In a 1/2 ton, it makes zero sense to me unless you are really in love with the green handle.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 31, 2020, 05:54:57 PM
Post by: Stein on October 31, 2020, 06:31:41 PM
Less torque, less towing, less payload...
Post by: Dirty Mike on October 31, 2020, 08:01:21 PM
Post by: lokidog on October 31, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 31, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
Post by: Mr.B on October 31, 2020, 09:18:47 PM
I'm a chevy guy, '02 duramax 326k, every mile with my butt in the seat.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on October 31, 2020, 09:39:52 PM
If you need to pull something, there really is no substitute for a diesel.
I'm a chevy guy, '02 duramax 326k, every mile with my butt in the seat.
Pulling over 8-10k is a whole different story - diesel without question. I could pass stock diesels uphill towing with 8.1 L suburban but mileage towing on average was in the 7mpg range or less.
Post by: Pnwrider on October 31, 2020, 11:20:58 PM
Yeah, 1/2 ton is now 13,200 pounds tow capacity for the 3.5 vs 11,500 for the diesel, same as the 5.0. Payload capacity is smaller for the diesel than the 3.5, 5.0 or 2.7! Like 1,200 pounds less payload than the 3.5 or 5.0 which is insane.Ford is notorious for putting crappy class iii hitches on their half ton trucks that are only rated to 5k lbs. I might have a pic of the ratings sticker on the hitch of the 2018 ecoboost I just got rid of. After towing with an ecoboost, no way would I want anywhere near 13k lbs behind it. So a 2k lb difference in towing capacity is not a deal breaker with the extra 10 mpg the diesel gets. Anyone really towing 13k needs to be stepping up to a 3/4 ton. 1/2 ton diesel definitely has its place.
Less torque, less towing, less payload...
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 01, 2020, 06:31:35 AM
I just want a fuel efficient truck that can tow a 5000# boat when needed, I don't need to pull a D-10 Cat or a full-size excavator.
Till you buy that tractor for the farm. :chuckle:
If I had to buy a truck these days it would be a gasser.👍
My work truck is a new model Ford 250 super duty diesel, it stinks when running, throttle response is terrible, but it rides good.🤣
Post by: lokidog on November 01, 2020, 12:11:25 PM
I just want a fuel efficient truck that can tow a 5000# boat when needed, I don't need to pull a D-10 Cat or a full-size excavator.
Till you buy that tractor for the farm. :chuckle:
If I had to buy a truck these days it would be a gasser.👍
My work truck is a new model Ford 250 super duty diesel, it stinks when running, throttle response is terrible, but it rides good.🤣
For the money I save buying a gas truck, I can buy the tractor..... :chuckle:
Post by: 2MANY on November 01, 2020, 12:16:44 PM
Perhaps a small trailer and a lawn mower.
These threads crack me up.
Post by: Stein on November 01, 2020, 01:29:50 PM
Yeah, 1/2 ton is now 13,200 pounds tow capacity for the 3.5 vs 11,500 for the diesel, same as the 5.0. Payload capacity is smaller for the diesel than the 3.5, 5.0 or 2.7! Like 1,200 pounds less payload than the 3.5 or 5.0 which is insane.Ford is notorious for putting crappy class iii hitches on their half ton trucks that are only rated to 5k lbs. I might have a pic of the ratings sticker on the hitch of the 2018 ecoboost I just got rid of. After towing with an ecoboost, no way would I want anywhere near 13k lbs behind it. So a 2k lb difference in towing capacity is not a deal breaker with the extra 10 mpg the diesel gets. Anyone really towing 13k needs to be stepping up to a 3/4 ton. 1/2 ton diesel definitely has its place.
Less torque, less towing, less payload...
Where is it's place? I agree that if I was towing near max I would step up, I just don't see what conditions would exist where the 1/2 ton diesel is the logical choice.
Post by: jackelope on November 01, 2020, 06:28:48 PM
3-4 times a year I make a trip to Newberg, OR from Duvall to pick up animal feed for a group of 4-H kids. I rent a pickup because at this point in time I don’t own one. I drove a 2020 F150 with the 3.5 EB. On the way down empty I got 24.6 mpg. On the way back I got 22.4 mpg with 1440 pounds of feed in the bed.
Last time I went was last Saturday. I rented a hemi Ram 1500. Got 21.5 on the way down and 19.9 on the way back. Still impressive.
I see a lot of trucks every day. We see 40-50 appointments a day and a solid portion of those are F150’s. I have seen 3 diesels in the last year that I can think of offhand. If you ask me, they’ve been a flop. The oil change on them alone is super expensive. Fuel filters every 15k and tire rotations make me have zero interest in owning one.
Post by: jackelope on November 01, 2020, 06:29:45 PM
Yeah, 1/2 ton is now 13,200 pounds tow capacity for the 3.5 vs 11,500 for the diesel, same as the 5.0. Payload capacity is smaller for the diesel than the 3.5, 5.0 or 2.7! Like 1,200 pounds less payload than the 3.5 or 5.0 which is insane.Ford is notorious for putting crappy class iii hitches on their half ton trucks that are only rated to 5k lbs. I might have a pic of the ratings sticker on the hitch of the 2018 ecoboost I just got rid of. After towing with an ecoboost, no way would I want anywhere near 13k lbs behind it. So a 2k lb difference in towing capacity is not a deal breaker with the extra 10 mpg the diesel gets. Anyone really towing 13k needs to be stepping up to a 3/4 ton. 1/2 ton diesel definitely has its place.
Less torque, less towing, less payload...
Where?
Post by: Pnwrider on November 01, 2020, 08:55:19 PM
I am probably a good example. People that need a truck but also use it as their primary commuter. In a half ton I feel like I’m giving up enough in towing that I would prefer better fuel economy (to a point). Yes, they require more maintenance, def, fuel filters, etc, but I have always done way better on resale with my diesels. Admittedly, I don’t keep cars long enough to break even on fuel economy savings, but the resale alone is worth it to me.Yeah, 1/2 ton is now 13,200 pounds tow capacity for the 3.5 vs 11,500 for the diesel, same as the 5.0. Payload capacity is smaller for the diesel than the 3.5, 5.0 or 2.7! Like 1,200 pounds less payload than the 3.5 or 5.0 which is insane.Ford is notorious for putting crappy class iii hitches on their half ton trucks that are only rated to 5k lbs. I might have a pic of the ratings sticker on the hitch of the 2018 ecoboost I just got rid of. After towing with an ecoboost, no way would I want anywhere near 13k lbs behind it. So a 2k lb difference in towing capacity is not a deal breaker with the extra 10 mpg the diesel gets. Anyone really towing 13k needs to be stepping up to a 3/4 ton. 1/2 ton diesel definitely has its place.
Less torque, less towing, less payload...
Where is it's place? I agree that if I was towing near max I would step up, I just don't see what conditions would exist where the 1/2 ton diesel is the logical choice.
Although, I must admit, my last F150 was just about free thanks to the great job by Ford engineers. I still can’t believe they designed a fuel system that wouldn’t allow the truck to run on a hill with a 1/4 tank of fuel.
Post by: Pnwrider on November 01, 2020, 09:17:31 PM
-0- experience towing with an ecoboost.
3-4 times a year I make a trip to Newberg, OR from Duvall to pick up animal feed for a group of 4-H kids. I rent a pickup because at this point in time I don’t own one. I drove a 2020 F150 with the 3.5 EB. On the way down empty I got 24.6 mpg. On the way back I got 22.4 mpg with 1440 pounds of feed in the bed.
Last time I went was last Saturday. I rented a hemi Ram 1500. Got 21.5 on the way down and 19.9 on the way back. Still impressive.
Set the cruise at 55? I’ve never seen better than 23 mpg and that was when I got stuck behind a bunch of RVs on the way to hunt camp last year.
Post by: jackelope on November 01, 2020, 10:12:34 PM
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 02, 2020, 07:28:26 AM
It is beyond me why ANYONE would buy a modern diesel with all the emissions crap on them Fleets are moving back to gas because of reliability. Don't get me wrong Id love to get my hands on one of these at about 100k miles and put a delete kit on it for a personal rig, but no chance I would buy one new.
I would sell any small diesel at the 100k mark. Repair costs make out of warrany use on these lil guys an unacceptable risk.
Post by: Special T on November 02, 2020, 11:39:45 PM
If that is the case then i cant imagine why anyone would/should buy one!It is beyond me why ANYONE would buy a modern diesel with all the emissions crap on them Fleets are moving back to gas because of reliability. Don't get me wrong Id love to get my hands on one of these at about 100k miles and put a delete kit on it for a personal rig, but no chance I would buy one new.
I would sell any small diesel at the 100k mark. Repair costs make out of warrany use on these lil guys an unacceptable risk.
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