Post by: jasnt on January 17, 2018, 04:47:29 PM
properly torqued. Scope was changed as well. Haden't checked the lands for a while..... Eroded .187" since new. Had more free bore than I like when I got it, was a good barrel while she lasted. Going with a rem/age setup to replace it. Now to decide which cartridge, prob go with30" 1:7 243ai since I have so many 6mm bullets and components
Also played with seating depth
This was a 1/3-1/2 moa gun (<1/4" a few times) up until recently.
Free bore is just over .6" long from case mouth.
Post by: b23 on January 17, 2018, 05:18:10 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 17, 2018, 05:37:39 PM
As an idea to kick around before you order a new prechambered barrel, take a look at maybe doing a 6mm Creedmoor instead.
👍 The 6mm Creedmoor is a option. Well done on spending enough time on the trigger to shoot out a barrel. Everyone yaps about barrel life but VERY, VERY FEW, ever will shoot a barrel out in their life time. Especially from start to finish. At today's powder prices it took you about $500.00 bucks in powder alone to shoot that barrel out. Not to mention, brass, bullets and primers. Most couldn't afford to shoot a barrel out, let alone find the time to send 2700 plus rounds down range.
There's a special place for "Dead" barrels!!💥👍💥
Post by: jasnt on January 17, 2018, 06:01:03 PM
this is the 2 nd 243 I shot out. Last one was a rem 770 with 3200+ roundsAs an idea to kick around before you order a new prechambered barrel, take a look at maybe doing a 6mm Creedmoor instead.
👍 The 6mm Creedmoor is a option. Well done on spending enough time on the trigger to shoot out a barrel. Everyone yaps about barrel life but VERY, VERY FEW, ever will shoot a barrel out in their life time. Especially from start to finish. At today's powder prices it took you about $500.00 bucks in powder alone to shoot that barrel out. Not to mention, brass, bullets and primers. Most couldn't afford to shoot a barrel out, let alone find the time to send 2700 plus rounds down range.
There's a special place for "Dead" barrels!!💥👍💥
im pretty excited about it really. When I bought this rifle from RedHawk I new the barrel wouldn't last long anyway. I thought about going 6 cm but I have so much brass for 243. Still undecided. May just go 7wsm. So many options and so little time lol
Post by: mountainman on January 17, 2018, 06:03:50 PM
Post by: jasnt on January 17, 2018, 06:32:55 PM
Had one lot of Hornady brass for my first 243 that I anealed every loading and it lasted just over 100 loadings before necks got too thin and run out became a problem
Post by: mountainman on January 17, 2018, 06:38:29 PM
Post by: jasnt on January 17, 2018, 06:47:48 PM
That's pretty amazing case life. Brass life is another benefit of the AI. Typically 2-3 timesnever had any other lots last like that one did. Got lucky Hornady brass I had more recently was not so great.
The 243ai has been on my list for some time.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 17, 2018, 07:22:07 PM
Post by: jasnt on January 17, 2018, 08:07:33 PM
If you plan on shooting a AI. You may give the Hornady Hydro-Forming dies a try. Saves barrel life and you can shoot full house loads right out of the gate. Some of the Hornady Shooting team guys swear by them. I talked to one of their shooters and he said his hydro formed virgin cases. Are match accurate at 1000 yards on their first loading.hmmmm Define: match accurate? Is that like a tack driver? Lol I haven't heard anything about these. Hard the hear anything when everyone is yelling lapua or Norma. I'll look in to them
Post by: jasnt on January 17, 2018, 08:21:06 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 17, 2018, 10:34:09 PM
If you plan on shooting a AI. You may give the Hornady Hydro-Forming dies a try. Saves barrel life and you can shoot full house loads right out of the gate. Some of the Hornady Shooting team guys swear by them. I talked to one of their shooters and he said his hydro formed virgin cases. Are match accurate at 1000 yards on their first loading.hmmmm Define: match accurate? Is that like a tack driver? Lol I haven't heard anything about these. Hard the hear anything when everyone is yelling lapua or Norma. I'll look in to them
Better than "Tack Driver" we are talking like "Lights Out"...
Yep... Most just run their sucks...
Shot a boat load of 1/2 MOA or smaller groups with Hornady brass. To each their own! Most will run their yaps all day but they won't run their wallets. Not hard to figure out who drops the coin on Firearms and who just yaps about it or is trying to make a "Little" coin on firearms..😘
Post by: jasnt on January 18, 2018, 06:33:29 AM
i couldn't agree moreIf you plan on shooting a AI. You may give the Hornady Hydro-Forming dies a try. Saves barrel life and you can shoot full house loads right out of the gate. Some of the Hornady Shooting team guys swear by them. I talked to one of their shooters and he said his hydro formed virgin cases. Are match accurate at 1000 yards on their first loading.hmmmm Define: match accurate? Is that like a tack driver? Lol I haven't heard anything about these. Hard the hear anything when everyone is yelling lapua or Norma. I'll look in to them
Better than "Tack Driver" we are talking like "Lights Out"...
Yep... Most just run their sucks...
Shot a boat load of 1/2 MOA or smaller groups with Hornady brass. To each their own! Most will run their yaps all day but they won't run their wallets. Not hard to figure out who drops the coin on Firearms and who just yaps about it or is trying to make a "Little" coin on firearms..😘
Post by: mountainman on January 18, 2018, 09:02:39 AM
[/quote]hmmmm Define: match accurate? Is that like a tack driver?
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I think its somewhere between a "Tack driver" and a "Needle threader" ☺
Ackley's can be amazingly accurate, given a good barrel from the start! A mediocre barrel will still yield mediocre accuracy..
Post by: jasnt on January 18, 2018, 04:19:27 PM
http://northlandshooterssupply.com/match-grade-barrels/criterion-remington-remage/
Post by: mountainman on January 18, 2018, 04:46:05 PM
I think I'm going to go with at least one of these barrels in 30"
http://northlandshooterssupply.com/match-grade-barrels/criterion-remington-remage/
Can't go wrong with that choice👍
Post by: Bill W on January 18, 2018, 04:51:37 PM
As an idea to kick around before you order a new prechambered barrel, take a look at maybe doing a 6mm Creedmoor instead.
👍 The 6mm Creedmoor is a option. Well done on spending enough time on the trigger to shoot out a barrel. Everyone yaps about barrel life but VERY, VERY FEW, ever will shoot a barrel out in their life time. Especially from start to finish. At today's powder prices it took you about $500.00 bucks in powder alone to shoot that barrel out. Not to mention, brass, bullets and primers. Most couldn't afford to shoot a barrel out, let alone find the time to send 2700 plus rounds down range.
There's a special place for "Dead" barrels!!💥👍💥
I shot a barrel out in one of my .264's in less than 500 rounds. I was working on hot loads.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 18, 2018, 08:19:52 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 18, 2018, 09:03:58 PM
Post by: jasnt on January 19, 2018, 08:31:00 AM
Yep. Allot of factors are involved when it comes to throat erosion. Some yap about barrel quality but endorse crap. Buy once, cry once.i remember you recommending pac nor. What kind of wait times are common with these?
Post by: Bill W on January 19, 2018, 09:48:19 AM
Yep. Allot of factors are involved when it comes to throat erosion. Some yap about barrel quality but endorse crap. Buy once, cry once.i remember you recommending pac nor. What kind of wait times are common with these?
Google your barrel choice and see who sells them. You can get them from vendors other than the factory. My Hart barrels came from New Braunfels, Texas. I forget the name of the store. You won't get a discount when buying from the mfgr. Most, if not all of them sell at MSRP as so not to compete with their vendors.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 19, 2018, 11:35:25 AM
Yep. Allot of factors are involved when it comes to throat erosion. Some yap about barrel quality but endorse crap. Buy once, cry once.i remember you recommending pac nor. What kind of wait times are common with these?
About 90 days, last one I had done was a 30" .308 Baer. You can also purchase a barrel and just a smith spin it for a Remage. That would be much quicker. I have been purchasing some of my barrels from Dixie Precision(Bugholes). They have a fairly respectable inventory of quality barrels on hand. The .243 & 6.5 Bartlein barrels ROCK! :rockin:
http://www.bugholes.com/mobile/Category.aspx?id=1818
Post by: jasnt on February 26, 2018, 03:10:47 PM
Barrel vice arrived today. Barrel will be here Thursday along with the rest of my tools. Went with criterion SS barrel in 243 1:7 28" bull.
I had wanted a 30" in 243AI but I'm inpatient and this one was on the shelf. Maybe next barrel will be ai.
Picked up 500 of the 115 vld's on sale and few lbs of h4350 and h1000 and 2 cases of cci250's. Just about got enough components now to burn this barrel out with the ones I had on hand.
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 26, 2018, 06:37:35 PM
Post by: Skillet on February 26, 2018, 07:18:54 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 26, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
I’ve just about done in my .220 Swift, throat is so long you can’t touch the lands. Shot 1200 +/- by me and about 500 by the previous owner. I did find a .25 MOA load last i shot it out of pure luck, guess I will shoot that until nothing shoots. Bore is still pretty good but the price to have it set back and the few extra rounds before the bore is shot probably won’t pay off. Time to probably go with something new with a bit faster twist.
Post by: jasnt on February 27, 2018, 06:32:09 AM
Great to see somebody running the right twist for performance! :tup:that was the one thing I was not willing to compromise on!
Thank you for the kind words guys! I'll update again when I get her back together again. Atleast my 300 is still shooting well, so I have something to do in the mean time. Did a trigger job on it yesterday and got a nice 1 3/4# pull
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 27, 2018, 06:43:31 PM
With a BC of .571, they are no slouch. I get them from Nosler for about half the price of local retail. These are not "Seconds" these are "Firsts"/ "Factory over-runs". 500 count of 105gr Nosler 6mm RDF's for $99.00 bucks. Currently in stock.
http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosler-products/nosler-6mm-105-grain-rdf-hpbt-over-run-500ct.html
Post by: yorketransport on February 27, 2018, 07:14:22 PM
Just a quick thought. You may want to give the Nosler 105gr RDF a try. They shoot extremly well through my 6mm Creedmoor and my friends 6x47 Lapua.
With a BC of .571, they are no slouch. I get them from Nosler for about half the price of local retail. These are not "Seconds" these are "Firsts"/ "Factory over-runs". 500 count of 105gr Nosler 6mm RDF's for $99.00 bucks. Currently in stock.
http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosler-products/nosler-6mm-105-grain-rdf-hpbt-over-run-500ct.html
:yeah:
I switched from the 105 Lapua Scenar to the 105 RDF in my 6mm BR pistol and I couldn't be happier. I had a buddy tell me that they're probably garbage since none of the PRS guys are shooting them. That was the best product endorsement I ever heard, so I bought 500 of them to try. :chuckle:
Post by: The scout on February 27, 2018, 08:19:54 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 27, 2018, 08:25:40 PM
Not to shabby with a $379.00 rifle and factory ammo.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2FF7C48E65-4E89-41EC-98BB-7ED6E8E5FD0B_zpshuzukcu2.jpg&hash=178df579a06184306e2cca29a45dd8cdf6963b9b) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Mobile%20Uploads/F7C48E65-4E89-41EC-98BB-7ED6E8E5FD0B_zpshuzukcu2.jpg.html)
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on February 27, 2018, 11:03:57 PM
Post by: jasnt on February 28, 2018, 06:19:53 AM
I look at nosler like bh looks at tika 💩
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 28, 2018, 06:21:53 AM
Post by: jasnt on February 28, 2018, 06:29:35 AM
Ha! I feel the same way about Sierra Bullets!my 300 feels the same way about Sierra
Post by: jasnt on March 01, 2018, 05:37:42 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 01, 2018, 06:33:48 PM
Got barrel mounted today. Remage system is awesome!!!! Soon as the bedding is set I'll put the chassis together and get some pics. Can't wait to shoot this thing!
Looking forward to target results ! Thinking remage swapping could get addicting once you start.....
Post by: jasnt on March 02, 2018, 01:04:29 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on March 03, 2018, 03:40:09 PM
Post by: W_Ellison2011 on March 03, 2018, 03:42:32 PM
Post by: jasnt on March 04, 2018, 10:26:18 AM
Man I came in late to this lol! Good looking rifle btw!:chuckle: thank you. Loving the new barrel. Will post some group pics when I get my load worked up.
Post by: jasnt on March 05, 2018, 11:51:11 AM
Hope this is a sign of things to come
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 05, 2018, 12:27:33 PM
I have total .243 envy right now
Post by: jasnt on March 05, 2018, 03:11:06 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 05, 2018, 03:34:20 PM
:chuckle: thanks John.*the Jon :chuckle:
And ya it looks like a shooter.
Post by: yorketransport on March 05, 2018, 03:42:56 PM
What you're seeing here is clearly an optical illusion. I've been told that the only 6mm chamberings capable of sub-MOA groups are the 6mm Creedmoor and the 6x47Lapua when loaded with DTACs and Reloader 26. Nothing else is capable of even hitting a target. So save yourself some trouble and just throw that rifle away. And maybe tell us the GPS coordinates of the dumpster you leave it in. :tup:
Post by: Jolten on March 05, 2018, 03:51:19 PM
Ha! I feel the same way about Sierra Bullets!
My Gamekings survived York...
Post by: jasnt on March 05, 2018, 05:01:32 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 05, 2018, 10:52:44 PM
Ha! I feel the same way about Sierra Bullets!
My Gamekings survived York...
Yorke has issues. He's a complete gun powder, bullet, primer HUSSY! Nothing satisfies him for long enough to get the slightest side ways glance. He's chose his path, now he's along for the ride.
Post by: jasnt on March 06, 2018, 02:49:32 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 06, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
Post by: jasnt on March 06, 2018, 05:16:16 PM
Post by: yorketransport on March 06, 2018, 08:27:36 PM
Ha! I feel the same way about Sierra Bullets!
My Gamekings survived York...
Yorke has issues. He's a complete gun powder, bullet, primer HUSSY! Nothing satisfies him for long enough to get the slightest side ways glance. He's chose his path, now he's along for the ride.
It’s a serious condition! :chuckle:
Post by: jasnt on March 09, 2018, 04:32:31 PM
ES of 3 doesn’t even sound like a thinghaving trouble reproducing that es so I think it was a fluke. Still keeping in the mid teens and I'm happy with that. Shot a 5 shot at 100 today in 7-10mph 3'oclok wind. Pulled the 4th a bit but had no problem putting 12/20 rounds on my 400 yard plate 3"X 3.5". These 115's do great in the wind. Very happy with this criterion barrel.
Post by: Biggerhammer on March 09, 2018, 06:11:55 PM
Post by: jasnt on March 09, 2018, 06:26:24 PM
Really like the 3"x 3 1/2" plate at 400!aim small, miss small lol
Post by: mountainman on March 10, 2018, 07:16:21 PM
Post by: jasnt on June 26, 2018, 10:14:59 AM
Es is staying between 2-12 for majority of shots but every once in a while I’m starting to get a flier that’s in the 2960-2970fps range.
Still very pleased with this barrel!
Post by: jasnt on July 07, 2018, 07:29:37 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 07, 2018, 08:03:06 PM
Post by: jasnt on July 07, 2018, 08:36:18 PM
So your saying. No barrel break in, 300 rounds before you cleaned it and no copper?zero copper
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 07, 2018, 08:46:49 PM
No barrel break in, 300 rounds before cleaning and zero copper. If I were you, I would be buying lottery tickets tomorrow.
Post by: davef on July 07, 2018, 08:48:42 PM
Post by: jasnt on July 07, 2018, 08:52:01 PM
My old barrel typically looked like I was pushing smurf turds out the muzzle for first few runs
Gunslick bore foam
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 07, 2018, 09:22:11 PM
Post by: b23 on July 07, 2018, 09:23:56 PM
So your saying. No barrel break in, 300 rounds before you cleaned it and no copper?zero copper
Yeah, I used to think that until I bought a borescope, then I found out all those clean patches without a hint of blue, were just tricking me into thinking there was no copper in the barrel.
Post by: jasnt on July 07, 2018, 09:40:34 PM
So you soaked it before you patched it?yes you fill the bore with foam, let it soak for 15-30min then I brush it with bronze brush back and forth, then wet patch of hoppes copper remover, then dry patch,wet,dry till clean. The bore foam removes 90% in the first wipe out. If really dirty I’ll repeat the bore foam
Post by: jasnt on July 07, 2018, 09:41:39 PM
id gladly let ya run that scope down the boreSo your saying. No barrel break in, 300 rounds before you cleaned it and no copper?zero copper
Yeah, I used to think that until I bought a borescope, then I found out all those clean patches without a hint of blue, were just tricking me into thinking there was no copper in the barrel.
Post by: Biggerhammer on July 07, 2018, 10:49:11 PM
Post by: yorketransport on July 08, 2018, 06:16:06 AM
Post by: hogslayer on July 08, 2018, 10:09:52 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on July 08, 2018, 10:43:31 AM
I bet there is so much carbon build up your not even getting to the copper. I also have a hard time believing you have zero copper with no break in and 300 rounds. I have used Benchmark, Rock Creek, Proof, and Broughton. Taking the barrel down to no copper on the first shot takes some work.
So you are saying that Carbon is a seperate later than copper?
Like paint over primer?
Post by: jasnt on July 08, 2018, 10:45:42 AM
I bet there is so much carbon build up your not even getting to the copper. I also have a hard time believing you have zero copper with no break in and 300 rounds. I have used Benchmark, Rock Creek, Proof, and Broughton. Taking the barrel down to no copper on the first shot takes some work.I can’t get a dirty patch using 3 different cleaners and brushing. :dunno: but I’m happy
Post by: hogslayer on July 08, 2018, 10:24:13 PM
I bet there is so much carbon build up your not even getting to the copper. I also have a hard time believing you have zero copper with no break in and 300 rounds. I have used Benchmark, Rock Creek, Proof, and Broughton. Taking the barrel down to no copper on the first shot takes some work.
So you are saying that Carbon is a seperate later than copper?
Like paint over primer?
Yes I have found that you have to get carbon out before copper can really start to come off.
Post by: coop2424 on July 09, 2018, 08:17:58 AM
Post by: jasnt on July 09, 2018, 10:05:37 AM
Jasnt did you have your action notched for the recoil lug or use a lug alignment tool? Also any action work done on it? Nice rifle and crazy no copper.yes I used nss’s tappered recoil lug and alignment tool. Action was trued by redhawk rifles. Thank you I’m very happy with it.
Shot this 9 shot group with it yesterday shooting a tall target test
Post by: N7XW on July 09, 2018, 11:01:01 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 09, 2018, 11:19:46 AM
Post by: jasnt on July 09, 2018, 12:09:39 PM
Have you played with any other powders or always been an h1000 guy? I pick up my new ride on Wednesday and trying to decide if I want to add h1000 to the mix or not. I like big jugs of powder and less duplication the better.this barrel was the first grain of h1000 I ever burnt. But yes I am now an h1000 fan! My 300wm shot very well with it also though that barrel is now in the tool steel pile in my smithy
In this barrel I’ve shot h1000, h4350
Old barrels where re15,re17,re22,imr7828,4064,varget, and h4831 I think