Post by: farmin4u_98948 on January 20, 2018, 11:48:29 AM
Post by: kentrek on January 20, 2018, 11:59:10 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 20, 2018, 11:59:33 AM
The .300 Win Mag shines with the heavies.
This is a 150gr Accubond, shot from a .300 WSM. Recovered from a Mule deer shot just shy of 400 yards. It was just under the hide on the off side. It was a Bang! Flop!
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Post by: bullfisher on January 20, 2018, 12:14:45 PM
Post by: The scout on January 20, 2018, 01:10:35 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 20, 2018, 01:13:44 PM
Don’t get too caught up in the weight savings of the short action, it’s a couple ounces and maybe a couple more ounces in the shorter barrel. I’ve never been hiking up a mtn and thinking “dang I wish my rifle was a short action” Remington lists a 3 inch oal difference and 1/4 lb difference between 300 wsm and win mag sps.
But yes both will kill very well and make a 30 cal hole
Post by: Hot Lunch on January 20, 2018, 02:15:26 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 20, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
Post by: Buzz2401 on January 20, 2018, 06:44:42 PM
Post by: Bob33 on January 20, 2018, 07:33:14 PM
Post by: Bofire on January 20, 2018, 07:39:48 PM
Carl
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 20, 2018, 07:45:12 PM
Over the 180 I would go a longer pipe and winny
Post by: jasnt on January 20, 2018, 08:16:16 PM
I’ve never understood the issue people have with the belted cases. I’ve never had any kind of problem with loading for or shooting any belted cases.same here!
Post by: Timberstalker on January 20, 2018, 08:17:14 PM
Under 180 grain bullets, I would go wsm.
Over the 180 I would go a longer pipe and winny
Bingo.
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on January 20, 2018, 08:22:36 PM
Post by: M_ray on January 20, 2018, 08:26:23 PM
Post by: M_ray on January 20, 2018, 08:30:31 PM
Post by: Antlershed on January 20, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on January 20, 2018, 09:06:47 PM
You can’t argue with the BC’s of the 7mm’s if you’re looking to shoot something in the 160’s. I will throw out though that my .300wsm has significantly less recoil than the .300 Win Mag I used to own. Also used to have a .300 RUM with a break...got tired of having to remember to put ear plugs in before I shot, and paid the price the couple times I forgot. :yike:
My ears have not stopped ringing since I got muzzle blast from a brake off of a tree 12 years ago. I hate brakes
Post by: RB on January 20, 2018, 09:11:17 PM
I might add with a break on the 300 an it is really really loud!!! :yike: besides the coefficients of the 7mm are awesome in the 160+ range
:yeah:
On the noise! Have had more than one person give me dirty looks at the range and hurt my ears when in a hurry to shoot!
Post by: jdb on January 20, 2018, 09:15:52 PM
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on January 20, 2018, 09:44:02 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 20, 2018, 09:49:14 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 20, 2018, 09:58:34 PM
Under 180 grain bullets, I would go wsm.
Over the 180 I would go a longer pipe and winny
Hahaha! You don't need a longer "Pipe" with the heavies and a .300 Win Mag. The heavies intrude on the powder column/ Space in the .300 WSM chambering(On a short action). You can't even play the heavy game with a factory .300 WSM. Let alone a custom short action with a extended box. You don't need a longer barrel in a .300 Win Mag to out perform a 180gr from a .300 WSM.
Hence, pick your bullet weight. Choose your chambering accordingly. People try to make their chambering to work with their bullet weight.
If you know anything at all when it comes to chamberings, bullet performance and hunting or target shooting/competition. You choose you bullet diameter, manufacturer and weight. Then you select your chambering. The rest is just fluff and senseless yapping. Like putting the cart before the horse.
Some chambering are just super accurate no matter the load. Double radios shoulder cartridges with a monster free bore suck! A double radios shoulder is like going back to the 40's. Nostalgic but lame. Change the throat spec, great. A double radios still sucks!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 20, 2018, 10:22:16 PM
Under 180 grain bullets, I would go wsm.
Over the 180 I would go a longer pipe and winny
Hahaha! You don't need a longer "Pipe" with the heavies and a .300 Win Mag. The heavies intrude on the powder column/ Space in the .300 WSM chambering(On a short action). You can't even play the heavy game with a factory .300 WSM. Let alone a custom short action with a extended box. You don't need a longer barrel in a .300 Win Mag to out perform a 180gr from a .300 WSM.
Hence, pick your bullet weight. Choose your chambering accordingly. People try to make their chambering to work with their bullet weight.
If you know anything at all when it comes to chamberings, bullet performance and hunting or target shooting/competition. You choose you bullet diameter, manufacturer and weight. Then you select your chambering. The rest is just fluff and senseless yapping. Like putting the cart before the horse.
Some chambering are just super accurate no matter the load. Double radios shoulder cartridges with a monster free bore suck! A double radios shoulder is like going back to the 40's. Nostalgic but lame.
:chuckle: LOL you crack me up man. I saw the title of this thread and thought man hammer is going to loose it on this.
As we have discussed before longer pipes = more burn for slower powders used a lot with heavys. When the faster lighter bullets can use the quicker burn powders with shorter pipes very well.
I could go 300wsm and 375 ruger. You can go 300 win and 375 HH. As long and the critter is dead or the x ring in it has a hole in it doesn't matter much.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on January 20, 2018, 10:31:03 PM
I consistently hear people say arbitrarily that this or that caliber recoils more or less than another, bull...
Recoil energy is a function of bullet mass, exit velocity, powder charge, and rifle weight.
Perceived recoil is a function of the above plus stock geometry and recoil pad type.
A 175 out of a 28 nosler in a 10lb rifle still has about as much recoil energy as a 180 out of a .300 WM on an 8 lb rifle, and a 180 gr .300 WSM has almost exactly the same recoil energy as a .300 WM in a same weight rifle. Physics 101.
I prefer the .300 WM, one of the most popular cartridges of all time and superior to the WSM with bullets much above 165. At 180 they are ~ equal in velocity but the pressure is peaking in the WSM and the WM is still not capped out.
Rarely do you hear of feeding issues in the WM and while they have mostly been weeded out in the WSM, they still occur more frequently. Barrel lengths are typically the same for the same bullet/velocity so you really only lose ~1/2” for action length which is negligible.
To each their own, many still feel the .308 is enough. It comes down to a personal opinion in the end. I remember going into Gardenschwartz Sports in Durango, CO about 25 years ago and asking to see a box of .300 H&H, .300WM, and .300 Weatherby. The salesman tried to tell me the difference in ballistics and that seeing the cartridges was a moot point. I knew the ballistics top to bottom but wanted to see the cartridges Side by side for what I thought “looked” the best or was “sexiest” or just felt better when I handled it. All empirical data aside it came down to my opinion of what I thought or felt was best to me. My opinions have changed in most areas but I still shoot a .300 WM (not as my first choice, but high up there) and think it is one of the best all around big game options.
My .02
Post by: JeffRaines on January 20, 2018, 11:24:39 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 20, 2018, 11:28:06 PM
Under 180 grain bullets, I would go wsm.
Over the 180 I would go a longer pipe and winny
Hahaha! You don't need a longer "Pipe" with the heavies and a .300 Win Mag. The heavies intrude on the powder column/ Space in the .300 WSM chambering(On a short action). You can't even play the heavy game with a factory .300 WSM. Let alone a custom short action with a extended box. You don't need a longer barrel in a .300 Win Mag to out perform a 180gr from a .300 WSM.
Hence, pick your bullet weight. Choose your chambering accordingly. People try to make their chambering to work with their bullet weight.
If you know anything at all when it comes to chamberings, bullet performance and hunting or target shooting/competition. You choose you bullet diameter, manufacturer and weight. Then you select your chambering. The rest is just fluff and senseless yapping. Like putting the cart before the horse.
Some chambering are just super accurate no matter the load. Double radios shoulder cartridges with a monster free bore suck! A double radios shoulder is like going back to the 40's. Nostalgic but lame.
:chuckle: LOL you crack me up man. I saw the title of this thread and thought man hammer is going to loose it on this.
As we have discussed before longer pipes = more burn for slower powders used a lot with heavys. When the faster lighter bullets can use the quicker burn powders with shorter pipes very well.
I could go 300wsm and 375 ruger. You can go 300 win and 375 HH. As long and the critter is dead or the x ring in it has a hole in it doesn't matter much.
:)) Loose it? When you catch up, let me know.😘 I'm not watching my rear view for you Carp.👍
People are the common sum of who they associate their selves with.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 21, 2018, 07:58:41 AM
Post by: mountainman on January 21, 2018, 08:42:06 AM
Yep, not enough difference on game between those 2 comparisons. Dead is dead. Its all preference..
I have a Tikka with a 30" Hart the is quite phenomenal at extended rage with 200 SMK's. But it's got the right twist for it.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 21, 2018, 08:49:29 AM
It seems like the 300wsm is just a souped-up 30-06, whereas the 300 is in a realm of its own. Sure, you can shoot 165 or 180s out of the 300, just as you can shoot 220s out of the 06, but you don't see very many people doing it.
There are a bunch of big 30s to run with the win mag. I’ve shot and loaded for both the .30-06 and 300 wsm and there is no comparison
Post by: Bofire on January 21, 2018, 08:51:29 AM
Carl
Post by: kselkhunter on January 21, 2018, 10:27:06 AM
And I agree with Mray that if you just want to shoot weights in the 160s another option to consider is the 7mmRM. I shoot 168 grain bullets out of my 7mmRM (Accubond LR and BergerVLD). Very good performance for bullet weights in that class.
The bigger 30s are definitely better if you want to step up to bigger bullets someday, or want that extra powder and velocity for longer range shots with lighter bullets.
Post by: yorketransport on January 21, 2018, 11:40:51 AM
:chuckle: LOL you crack me up man. I saw the title of this thread and thought man hammer is going to loose it on this.
As we have discussed before longer pipes = more burn for slower powders used a lot with heavys. When the faster lighter bullets can use the quicker burn powders with shorter pipes very well.
This hasn't been my experience when working with short barrels, which I've done a lot of. The powder which gives best velocity in a long barrel typically gives the best velocity in a shorter barre as well. Slower powders in a longer barrel have given me slightly lower SDs in some guns than the same powder/load combo in a short barreled gun, but not enough to draw any real conclusions.
I've had both 14" and 30" barreled 300 WSMs and in both guns I got the best velocity with H 4831sc when loaded to what I felt were max charges. H4831sc is about the slowest powder that's really practical in a 30 caliber case as small as the WSM.
14" barrel: 68.2gr H4831sc 210 Berger VLD @ 2465fps
30" barrel: 68.4gr H4831sc 210 Berger VLD @ 2930fps
The same goes for the 338/375 Ruger in 18" and 28" barrels using H100v, 6mm BR in 19" and 30" barrels using Varget, 243 Win in 14" and 28" barrels with Retumbo, the 284 Winchester in 18" and 30" barrels using H4831sc, and the 338/408 Improved in 20" and 31" barrels using H50 BMG.
It's amazing how much powder you can burn in an 18" barrel. I need to set up my camera and get a good video of shooting the 338/408 Improved pistol at night; that's one of my favorite ways to check powder burn efficiency. Its not at all scientific, but the muzzle flash does give you a good idea of powder burn efficiency.
As far as the WSM or WM debate, I say neither. Go with a 300 Dakota and smoke both of them! :chuckle: Or better still, go with the 300/375 Ruger.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 21, 2018, 12:51:23 PM
What I am saying is not what gives the highest velocity but gives the best performance with the bullet weigh selected.
In my case I have seen the 300wsm shine with faster powders and lighter bullets. As compared to my 300 win with a longer barrel, heavy bullet and slow powder.
Just my experience with my guns.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 21, 2018, 03:34:24 PM
I don't think a brake is really needed on those cartridges. Once powder plus bullet weight combined get around 450 grains the brake starts feeling like a better idea.
So no brakes this side of Africa ? i.e. 300 gr SMK and 112 gr RL33 is in no brake zone ?
Post by: Bob33 on January 21, 2018, 04:17:51 PM
Post by: jager on January 21, 2018, 05:45:55 PM
Own a 300 WSM. (Winchester featherweight) Much prefer it. To each their own, but not a fan of brakes!
I shoot up to 180 grain Accubonds. Factory ammo. Never a complaint.
Recoil not an issue.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 21, 2018, 05:49:36 PM
I've shot both..
Own a 300 WSM. (Winchester featherweight) Much prefer it. To each their own, but not a fan of brakes!
I shoot up to 180 grain Accubonds. Factory ammo. Never a complaint.
Recoil not an issue.
Yep 180’s out of both for me, no issues with recoil, my winnie is a little louder than the WSM due to that thingy with holes on the end of the barrel. :o
Post by: lewy on January 21, 2018, 06:07:36 PM
Post by: jdb on January 21, 2018, 06:27:37 PM
I'm a self admitted recoil woos and can shoot a 300 WSM without a brake. Total weight with optics and sling is 8.25 pounds. I greatly prefer a slight jab to a hearing damage level bang.i agree with every point you made
Post by: JakeLand on January 21, 2018, 09:21:26 PM
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on January 21, 2018, 09:36:07 PM
Post by: Jason on January 22, 2018, 05:41:21 AM
There's no need to burn all that extra powder!
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on January 22, 2018, 05:59:38 AM
Post by: yorketransport on January 22, 2018, 07:09:20 AM
Most of us can't solve the worlds problems. But there are some here that apparently can do it with a Tikka 7mm-08. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
That's a great idea!
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Post by: Biggerhammer on January 22, 2018, 07:45:43 AM
Post by: bullfisher on January 22, 2018, 07:48:48 AM
I would go 3006 before the wsm, not saying i would never own a wsm, but for case availability, clambering, etc, its really hard to beat the 3006. You can get so close to wsm velocities with a 3006 that it is a moot point.:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on January 22, 2018, 08:13:37 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 22, 2018, 08:17:48 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 22, 2018, 08:19:48 AM
Wow. Literally feel like today is not a wasted day already!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 22, 2018, 08:21:39 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 22, 2018, 08:23:58 AM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on January 22, 2018, 08:24:11 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 22, 2018, 08:24:49 AM
Let a guy use my chronograph yesterday. He was shooting hsm factory 210 vld in a brown 300wsm. His 5 shot average was 2840fps. So basically the same as a 30/06 :chuckle:but how can that ever be true if it actually happened and wasn’t just read online?
Post by: bobcat on January 22, 2018, 08:27:04 AM
Notice I did say "if you're a handloader." Comparing my handloaded 30/06 velocity to factory loaded 300 WSM it's not a lot of difference.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 22, 2018, 08:28:49 AM
I knew plenty of people would post and say I was wrong about the 30/06 versus 300 WSM. :chuckle: :fishin:Apples and oranges are almost exactly the same when compared too.
Notice I did say "if you're a handloader." Comparing my handloaded 30/06 velocity to factory loaded 300 WSM it's not a lot of difference.
Post by: bobcat on January 22, 2018, 08:29:04 AM
Let a guy use my chronograph yesterday. He was shooting hsm factory 210 vld in a brown 300wsm. His 5 shot average was 2840fps. So basically the same as a 30/06 :chuckle:
Yep. Not really that much different. Especially if you're a turret twister. Just a couple more clicks with the 30/06 and it kills the animal just as dead.
Post by: bobcat on January 22, 2018, 08:29:56 AM
I knew plenty of people would post and say I was wrong about the 30/06 versus 300 WSM. :chuckle: :fishin:Apples and oranges are almost exactly the same when compared too.
Notice I did say "if you're a handloader." Comparing my handloaded 30/06 velocity to factory loaded 300 WSM it's not a lot of difference.
Exactly.
Post by: bullfisher on January 22, 2018, 08:32:42 AM
I'm pushing 185 bergers at 3130 in my wsm and that's almost a full grain of powder under pressure. So yeah basically same as a 30/06 :chuckle:Thats what I'm getting from mine. 26" tube though.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 22, 2018, 08:36:22 AM
:chuckle:I knew plenty of people would post and say I was wrong about the 30/06 versus 300 WSM. :chuckle: :fishin:Apples and oranges are almost exactly the same when compared too.
Notice I did say "if you're a handloader." Comparing my handloaded 30/06 velocity to factory loaded 300 WSM it's not a lot of difference.
Exactly.
Post by: jackelope on January 22, 2018, 08:45:27 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 22, 2018, 08:50:38 AM
I knew plenty of people would post and say I was wrong about the 30/06 versus 300 WSM. :chuckle: :fishin:the ammo that Cody was using yesterday was FACTORY hsm. I would very much like to see you push 210gr pills at 2840 out of a 06 case, even with hand loads.
Notice I did say "if you're a handloader." Comparing my handloaded 30/06 velocity to factory loaded 300 WSM it's not a lot of difference.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 22, 2018, 08:54:06 AM
So if you have a 30-06 and a 300wsm, both have 24” barrels and both are shooting the same 180 grain bullets, where do we land? Honey crisp Apples to Fuji apples.a buddy of mine has a 26" pipe on his 06 which was also built by Mike. 180gr accubonds pushed very hard and he's sitting at 2900. So I'm 230fps faster with a bullet that is 5 gr heavier.
It's all a mute point because both kill animals just as dead but the wsm out performs the 30/06 numbers wise all day every day and twice on sundays. Just like the WM out performs the wsm
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 22, 2018, 08:56:47 AM
I knew plenty of people would post and say I was wrong about the 30/06 versus 300 WSM. :chuckle: :fishin:the ammo that Cody was using yesterday was FACTORY hsm. I would very much like to see you push 210gr pills at 2840 out of a 06 case, even with hand loads.
Notice I did say "if you're a handloader." Comparing my handloaded 30/06 velocity to factory loaded 300 WSM it's not a lot of difference.
No opinion on mythical 30-06 but Its a stretch to call HSM stuff factory. Have seen their loads lock up rifles which rarely happens with federal, remington, hornady “factory” rounds.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 22, 2018, 08:58:58 AM
I'm in no position to speak intelligently on that very little experience with Factory ammo. But you can buy it off the shelf so I categorize it as factoryI knew plenty of people would post and say I was wrong about the 30/06 versus 300 WSM. :chuckle: :fishin:the ammo that Cody was using yesterday was FACTORY hsm. I would very much like to see you push 210gr pills at 2840 out of a 06 case, even with hand loads.
Notice I did say "if you're a handloader." Comparing my handloaded 30/06 velocity to factory loaded 300 WSM it's not a lot of difference.
No opinion on mythical 30-06 but Its a stretch to call HSM stuff factory. Have seen their loads lock up rifles which rarely happens with federal, remington, hornady “factory” rounds.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 22, 2018, 09:00:24 AM
I'm running 212 eldx at 2900 out of the same length barrel for a referenceI'm in no position to speak intelligently on that very little experience with Factory ammo. But you can buy it off the shelf so I categorize it as factoryI knew plenty of people would post and say I was wrong about the 30/06 versus 300 WSM. :chuckle: :fishin:the ammo that Cody was using yesterday was FACTORY hsm. I would very much like to see you push 210gr pills at 2840 out of a 06 case, even with hand loads.
Notice I did say "if you're a handloader." Comparing my handloaded 30/06 velocity to factory loaded 300 WSM it's not a lot of difference.
No opinion on mythical 30-06 but Its a stretch to call HSM stuff factory. Have seen their loads lock up rifles which rarely happens with federal, remington, hornady “factory” rounds.
Post by: bobcat on January 22, 2018, 09:04:27 AM
Post by: b23 on January 22, 2018, 09:04:57 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 22, 2018, 09:09:31 AM
What does quickload show if the bullet was 165 grains?
Post by: bullfisher on January 22, 2018, 09:09:43 AM
Post by: b23 on January 22, 2018, 09:12:17 AM
B23,
What does quickload show if the bullet was 165 grains?
Do you have a specific bullet you want the numbers run with???
Post by: bobcat on January 22, 2018, 09:14:33 AM
B23,
What does quickload show if the bullet was 165 grains?
Do you have a specific bullet you want the numbers run with???
Nosler Accubond
Post by: yorketransport on January 22, 2018, 09:15:26 AM
So if you have a 30-06 and a 300wsm, both have 24” barrels and both are shooting the same 180 grain bullets, where do we land? Honey crisp Apples to Fuji apples.
No, I think you end up with a bitter old Granny Smith trying to compete with a flashy new Cosmic Crisp. :chuckle:
Post by: Woodchuck on January 22, 2018, 09:21:08 AM
30-06 is actually more like a pink lady, wouldn't you say? :chuckle:So if you have a 30-06 and a 300wsm, both have 24” barrels and both are shooting the same 180 grain bullets, where do we land? Honey crisp Apples to Fuji apples.
No, I think you end up with a bitter old Granny Smith trying to compete with a flashy new Cosmic Crisp. :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 22, 2018, 09:25:01 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: no sir I believe you're thinking of a creedmoor30-06 is actually more like a pink lady, wouldn't you say? :chuckle:So if you have a 30-06 and a 300wsm, both have 24” barrels and both are shooting the same 180 grain bullets, where do we land? Honey crisp Apples to Fuji apples.
No, I think you end up with a bitter old Granny Smith trying to compete with a flashy new Cosmic Crisp. :chuckle:
Post by: b23 on January 22, 2018, 09:26:24 AM
B23,
What does quickload show if the bullet was 165 grains?
Do you have a specific bullet you want the numbers run with???
Nosler Accubond
Again, both being shot from 24in tube w/165 Accubond loaded to standard OAL and running it up to max pressure.
30-06 3019 FPS
300 WSM 3208 FPS
Generally, the heavier you go with bullet weight, within the same caliber, the more you'll see the cartridge/s with larger case capacity gain over a smaller case.
Post by: b23 on January 22, 2018, 09:29:54 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: no sir I believe you're thinking of a creedmoor30-06 is actually more like a pink lady, wouldn't you say? :chuckle:So if you have a 30-06 and a 300wsm, both have 24” barrels and both are shooting the same 180 grain bullets, where do we land? Honey crisp Apples to Fuji apples.
No, I think you end up with a bitter old Granny Smith trying to compete with a flashy new Cosmic Crisp. :chuckle:
LMAO!
You guys crack me up, that's some funny chit... :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on January 22, 2018, 09:31:11 AM
B23,
What does quickload show if the bullet was 165 grains?
Do you have a specific bullet you want the numbers run with???
Nosler Accubond
Again, both being shot from 24in tube w/165 Accubond loaded to standard OAL and running it up to max pressure.
30-06 3019 FPS
300 WSM 3208 FPS
Generally, the heavier you go with bullet weight, within the same caliber, the more you'll see the cartridge/s with larger case capacity gain over a smaller case.
Thanks. Yeah that's why in one of my 30/06's, I like 150's at 3,000 fps.
Post by: Woodchuck on January 22, 2018, 09:31:32 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle::chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: no sir I believe you're thinking of a creedmoor30-06 is actually more like a pink lady, wouldn't you say? :chuckle:So if you have a 30-06 and a 300wsm, both have 24” barrels and both are shooting the same 180 grain bullets, where do we land? Honey crisp Apples to Fuji apples.
No, I think you end up with a bitter old Granny Smith trying to compete with a flashy new Cosmic Crisp. :chuckle:
LMAO!
You guys crack me up, that's some funny chit... :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on January 22, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
Post by: Curly on January 22, 2018, 09:33:23 AM
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/217831/winchester-super-x-ammunition-300-winchester-short-magnum-wsm-180-grain-power-point-box-of-20
Winchester Power Point 300wsm 180 gr; velocity claim = 2790 fps
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900197592/winchester-super-x-ammunition-30-06-springfield-180-grain-power-point
Winchester Power Point 30-06 180 gr; velocity claim = 2700 fps
So, 90 fps better for the wsm. ;)
Then checking the 300wm same factory stuff.......
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900281024/winchester-super-x-ammunition-300-winchester-magnum-180-grain-power-point
V = 2960 fps
But then all this shows is why it's good to avoid factory ammo............ :)
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 22, 2018, 10:49:45 AM