Post by: Antlershed on January 24, 2018, 03:01:36 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/
Post by: Antlershed on January 24, 2018, 03:25:00 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 24, 2018, 03:30:45 PM
Also, no more buying OIL points for your kids. Proposal states you must complete hunters education before you can buy an application for the OIL’s.
That's a good change.
First thing I noticed that disappoints me is the reduction of youth moose tags from 18 to only 1. Just bad timing since this will be my daughter's first year to apply for permits.
Post by: hughjorgan on January 24, 2018, 03:35:23 PM
Post by: 92xj on January 24, 2018, 03:40:52 PM
If I read that right they eliminated all Yakima early season archery cow hunts for elk and took spikes away from the colockum guys. Looks like I am done with archery in this state if that happens.You are reading that right.
Disappointing.
Post by: cougforester on January 24, 2018, 03:47:37 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on January 24, 2018, 03:47:45 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 24, 2018, 03:48:47 PM
looks like they shortened the late season modern NE corner whitetail season too.
Gotta save some for the wolves.
Post by: hughjorgan on January 24, 2018, 03:50:13 PM
If I read that right they eliminated all Yakima early season archery cow hunts for elk and took spikes away from the colockum guys. Looks like I am done with archery in this state if that happens.You are reading that right.
Disappointing.
That's for sure, really puts a cramp on things if you are trying to put meat in the freezer. Hard winters and giving out to many cow tags to reduce the herd and archery takes the hit. Glad Idaho is only an hour drive from where I live.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on January 24, 2018, 03:52:08 PM
I also personally don't like the change to buying oil points for the young ones. They will have a hard enough time ever drawing in this state as is. I think the game department should have taken more action on the percentage of non resident oil tags allocated a year instead of taking opportunities away from the youth. Just my :twocents:
Post by: Special T on January 24, 2018, 04:01:37 PM
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Post by: JBar on January 24, 2018, 04:10:03 PM
Post by: Pegasus on January 24, 2018, 04:25:02 PM
Ya don't think the wolves and grizzly populations had anything to do with this finally admitted decline do you? Same thing with the mule deer population too but I don't see them admitting to this decline yet.
Post by: JBar on January 24, 2018, 04:28:15 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 24, 2018, 04:53:57 PM
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Mountain goat populations are sensitive to harvest of females, but identification of gender in the field is difficult. The department currently provides training videos and pamphlets to successful applicants for mountain goat hunting permits, but has no way of ensuring that these materials are used. The department proposes adding an online gender identification test that permit holders would be required to pass before being allowed to purchase a mountain goat hunting license. A passing score would be 80%, and permit holders could re-take the test as often as needed until they achieved a passing score.
I fully support this.
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The department’s data suggests that mountain goat hunting in the Goat Rocks area has been sustainable, but almost all mountain goats taken have come from the more accessible portions of the area. Splitting the existing hunt area in two (and allocating permits approximately proportionally) would distribute harvest pressure more evenly among goats in the greater population.
2017 aerial surveys put the brunt of the goat herd in only a couple main areas. Hopefully one of those areas ends up in one hunt area and the other concentration in the other hunt area.
I don't know enough about the other areas to comment.
Post by: Limhangerslayer on January 24, 2018, 05:03:31 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 24, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
They had to take the OTC cow elk hunt away from the archers. The herd was declining to fast. If you really want to hunt for cow elk in those units just switch to muzzy or modern they doubled the muzzy cow tags and went from 100 modern tags to 250. I am guessing that it is a feel good move and they realize that even with the increased permits for those two user groups the animals won't get killed because everyone knows that muzzy and modern guys don't leave the road and can't hit squat if they do see something.If I read that right they eliminated all Yakima early season archery cow hunts for elk and took spikes away from the colockum guys. Looks like I am done with archery in this state if that happens.You are reading that right.
Disappointing.
I am totally kidding. I am pretty those the muzzy guys and modern guys are going to be way more successful with those permits than the OTC archery guys were.
I am sure there is a reason why they eliminated the cow hunt for archers and increased the modern and muzzy tags by so much. I am thinking the change wasn't because of herd health but more about getting the other user groups more opportunity. They did give the archery guys just as many tags as the muzzy guys and the archery guys do still have an OTC late season cow hunt.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 24, 2018, 05:10:02 PM
A Nov 1 close date for blacktail in 2020. :o
Post by: Rainier10 on January 24, 2018, 05:13:43 PM
Post by: elkchaser54 on January 24, 2018, 05:26:05 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on January 24, 2018, 05:27:27 PM
Where can u see the actual proposals? I click the link and it just brings me to the talk about giving input.On that link to the right of the "comment" tab there is a number, click on those numbers and you will see the rules for each section that you click on.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 24, 2018, 05:34:50 PM
Where can u see the actual proposals? I click the link and it just brings me to the talk about giving input.I click on the adobe icon with the WAC number.
Post by: Humptulips on January 24, 2018, 06:11:29 PM
WAC 220-400-050 Requirements for sealing of pelts and collectionof biological information for river otter, cougar, lynx, and bobcat.
(1)It is unlawful to possess river otter, cougar, lynx, or bobcattaken in Washington without a department identification seal which hasbeen attached to the raw pelt, on or off the carcass, prior to thepelt sealing deadline.
Should not this read after instead of prior. I've read this like 16 times and it seems wrong. I commented on it but would like to hear from someone else. Am I just reading it wrong?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 24, 2018, 07:30:35 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 24, 2018, 07:44:24 PM
Post by: RB on January 24, 2018, 07:46:24 PM
Post by: Gamblin Guy on January 24, 2018, 08:59:23 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 24, 2018, 09:05:59 PM
Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....:yeah: I bet a lot of guys will be doing that. Taking the cow elk away from the early archery hunters in the bumping and nile is complete BS. And I'm pretty sure that they aren't giving out 74 cow moose tags in mt Spokane, that has to be a typo.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 24, 2018, 09:10:46 PM
Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....
This will be our 12th season out of state. Need to just move there as well. :IBCOOL:
Post by: lokidog on January 24, 2018, 09:12:29 PM
In the proposed changes for sealing bobcat, river otter, lynx and cougar there is this:
WAC 220-400-050 Requirements for sealing of pelts and collectionof biological information for river otter, cougar, lynx, and bobcat.
(1)It is unlawful to possess river otter, cougar, lynx, or bobcattaken in Washington without a department identification seal which hasbeen attached to the raw pelt, on or off the carcass, prior to thepelt sealing deadline.
Should not this read after instead of prior. I've read this like 16 times and it seems wrong. I commented on it but would like to hear from someone else. Am I just reading it wrong?
It makes sense to me, the identification seal must be attached before the deadline. Am I missing something?
Post by: Humptulips on January 24, 2018, 09:58:54 PM
In the proposed changes for sealing bobcat, river otter, lynx and cougar there is this:
WAC 220-400-050 Requirements for sealing of pelts and collectionof biological information for river otter, cougar, lynx, and bobcat.
(1)It is unlawful to possess river otter, cougar, lynx, or bobcattaken in Washington without a department identification seal which hasbeen attached to the raw pelt, on or off the carcass, prior to thepelt sealing deadline.
Should not this read after instead of prior. I've read this like 16 times and it seems wrong. I commented on it but would like to hear from someone else. Am I just reading it wrong?
It makes sense to me, the identification seal must be attached before the deadline. Am I missing something?
Let's eliminate some of the words and simplify it.
(1)It is unlawful to possess river otter, lynx or bobcat without a seal prior to the pelt sealing deadline.
That says to me they should have used after instead of prior.
The way it reads you would be in violation the minute you take an otter or cat into possession.
Post by: lokidog on January 24, 2018, 10:12:35 PM
In the proposed changes for sealing bobcat, river otter, lynx and cougar there is this:
WAC 220-400-050 Requirements for sealing of pelts and collectionof biological information for river otter, cougar, lynx, and bobcat.
(1)It is unlawful to possess river otter, cougar, lynx, or bobcattaken in Washington without a department identification seal which hasbeen attached to the raw pelt, on or off the carcass, prior to thepelt sealing deadline.
Should not this read after instead of prior. I've read this like 16 times and it seems wrong. I commented on it but would like to hear from someone else. Am I just reading it wrong?
It makes sense to me, the identification seal must be attached before the deadline. Am I missing something?
Let's eliminate some of the words and simplify it.
(1)It is unlawful to possess river otter, lynx or bobcat without a seal prior to the pelt sealing deadline.
That says to me they should have used after instead of prior.
The way it reads you would be in violation the minute you take an otter or cat into possession.
No, it is illegal to possess without the seal being attached before the deadline arrives, but you have until the deadline arrives to do it is how I read that. :dunno: I'm not likely to be trapping any of these so I am unlikely to be worrying about it though. ;)
Post by: bobcat on January 24, 2018, 10:18:54 PM
Post by: JoeVon on January 24, 2018, 10:30:14 PM
Also, no more buying OIL points for your kids. Proposal states you must complete hunters education before you can buy an application for the OIL’s.
That's a good change.
First thing I noticed that disappoints me is the reduction of youth moose tags from 18 to only 1. Just bad timing since this will be my daughter's first year to apply for permits.
Other than out of your own greed to draw a tag, how is this a good change?
Post by: idahohuntr on January 24, 2018, 10:37:14 PM
Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....It is getting hard to justify spending money in this state when they waste so much money and continually fail to address issues important to sportsmen.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 24, 2018, 10:41:38 PM
It appeared as though the eastside took the most take and west got a little give. I noticed a few pluses for my program--season dates/timing, new quality bull tag, new antlerless tags. Have to see what hits print to really know, I guess.Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....It is getting hard to justify spending money in this state when they waste so much money and continually fail to address issues important to sportsmen.
Post by: dreamingbig on January 24, 2018, 10:47:09 PM
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Post by: bobcat on January 24, 2018, 10:50:17 PM
Also, no more buying OIL points for your kids. Proposal states you must complete hunters education before you can buy an application for the OIL’s.
That's a good change.
First thing I noticed that disappoints me is the reduction of youth moose tags from 18 to only 1. Just bad timing since this will be my daughter's first year to apply for permits.
Other than out of your own greed to draw a tag, how is this a good change?
Not sure what it has to do with greed, as either way doesn't affect my chance of drawing.
Just my opinion but I never thought it was fair that a person could accumulate points while not even legally allowed to actually hunt. So I feel the change is warranted.
Post by: huntnphool on January 25, 2018, 01:22:33 AM
Then to top it off, I see a state wide reduction in the cougar season........hmmm?
Oh yeah, after these brilliant moves, Unsworth decides it's time to move on.......POS! :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 25, 2018, 04:59:03 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on January 25, 2018, 06:24:22 AM
I sent in comments for the spring bear seasons. Proposed adding tags for the 200 GMU series and increasing number of tags in current units. Also suggested considering an OTC tag. Also voiced support 209 primers being legal.Looks like 209 primers will be legal.
Post by: cougforester on January 25, 2018, 06:37:28 AM
I sent in comments for the spring bear seasons. Proposed adding tags for the 200 GMU series and increasing number of tags in current units. Also suggested considering an OTC tag. Also voiced support 209 primers being legal.Looks like 209 primers will be legal.
Yep, just wanted to further voice my support of that! :tup:
Post by: hunter399 on January 25, 2018, 07:16:33 AM
Post by: baker5150 on January 25, 2018, 07:28:55 AM
If I read that right they eliminated all Yakima early season archery cow hunts for elk and took spikes away from the colockum guys. Looks like I am done with archery in this state if that happens.You are reading that right.
Disappointing.
Looks like they increased the Colockum cow tags for modern hunters from 100 to 250
Post by: baker5150 on January 25, 2018, 07:33:46 AM
These proposals are a crockpot of *censored* stew. Taking away anger less opportunity in Yakima from archers but still providing for rifle and muzzleloader? Bumping, Nile and Rimrock added to Little Naches ghost town. You have to take it all away or nothing. This is absurd. Also how can you give out over 245 bull tags for bumping (all combined) but only 30 cow tags? This some sort of new QDMA for elk?
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So if Archery guys can't hunt cows, no one can? :dunno:
Post by: baldopepper on January 25, 2018, 07:58:07 AM
Post by: Southpole on January 25, 2018, 08:09:35 AM
Whats up with the Nooksack? it says TBD does that mean they are going to to cut them? The region four quality Deer draw is better with the extended dates a four day season is just too short for a "quality" hunt in my book and why I have not put in for the hunt even though it is in my back yard. :twocents:Looks like Sauk quality buck is 14 days long and Stilly is 19 days long with 2 more tags added.
Post by: Antlershed on January 25, 2018, 08:11:31 AM
All it's saying is it has to have a seal which was attached prior to the deadline. In other words, it cannot be a seal that is attached after the deadline.:yeah:
Post by: Antlershed on January 25, 2018, 08:13:33 AM
I was hoping for a major cut in Methow late tags but they actually increased them. :oGuess he felt he needed to leave us a parting gift. :bash:
Then to top it off, I see a state wide reduction in the cougar season........hmmm?
Oh yeah, after these brilliant moves, Unsworth decides it's time to move on.......POS! :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on January 25, 2018, 08:18:05 AM
Post by: KFhunter on January 25, 2018, 08:19:47 AM
Their stupid quotas were being exceeded (ya duh, too many cats morons) so by moving up the late season to dec 15 they have more control as late season can be ended at any time.
Furthermore they moved up the sealing requirements to 72 hours instead of 5 days, just so they can close the season more timely.
:bash:
I hope everyone is chiming in on these rule changes, I recommend opposing the cougar ones, both sealing requirements and moving the late season up by 15 days.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 25, 2018, 08:20:50 AM
Post by: Antlershed on January 25, 2018, 08:28:23 AM
They moved up the late season on Cougar to Dec 15 instead of Jan 1.I already commented opposed to the season date change, but I don’t see the big deal going from 5 days to 3 for the sealing requirements. Are guys really just letting a cougar sit for 5 days before they do anything with it?
Their stupid quotas were being exceeded (ya duh, too many cats morons) so by moving up the late season to dec 15 they have more control as late season can be ended at any time.
Furthermore they moved up the sealing requirements to 72 hours instead of 5 days, just so they can close the season more timely.
:bash:
I hope everyone is chiming in on these rule changes, I recommend opposing the cougar ones, both sealing requirements and moving the late season up by 15 days.
Post by: KFhunter on January 25, 2018, 08:38:05 AM
Moving it up a couple days puts a little more bind on everyone involved with the sealing requirements too, 3 days goes quick, especially if you're breaking down a camp and driving home.
Post by: Southpole on January 25, 2018, 08:44:35 AM
I think 72 hours is unreasonable. If they didn't have their ridiculous quotas they wouldn't need to get people in to seal so quickly.They moved up the late season on Cougar to Dec 15 instead of Jan 1.I already commented opposed to the season date change, but I don’t see the big deal going from 5 days to 3 for the sealing requirements. Are guys really just letting a cougar sit for 5 days before they do anything with it?
Their stupid quotas were being exceeded (ya duh, too many cats morons) so by moving up the late season to dec 15 they have more control as late season can be ended at any time.
Furthermore they moved up the sealing requirements to 72 hours instead of 5 days, just so they can close the season more timely.
:bash:
I hope everyone is chiming in on these rule changes, I recommend opposing the cougar ones, both sealing requirements and moving the late season up by 15 days.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 25, 2018, 08:46:57 AM
Post by: KFhunter on January 25, 2018, 08:47:31 AM
They only want to burden us with a 72 hr rule so they can close the season in a more timely manner.
Post by: Southpole on January 25, 2018, 08:55:40 AM
Many cats are taken during deer and elk season just by luck. Guys don't want to stop hunting to run in and get a cougar sealed. 72 hours seems too short. Idaho you have 10 days.:yeah:
Very good point for the back country hunters.
Post by: huntnphool on January 25, 2018, 08:59:52 AM
The Methow late permits... the only increase I see is Alta, from 10 to 15. Not really a significant increase, is it? Or am I missing something?
Have you read any of the recent (last couple years) "Methow" threads?
Any increase is significant, when most agree they should be reduced. :twocents:
Post by: wsmnut on January 25, 2018, 09:00:14 AM
Any increase in those permits is too much. It should be slashed. :twocents:
I agree. I just sent in my comments to add also that the general deer season in the Methow should go back to 9 days.
What are they smoking thinking of adding more Alta permits :bdid:
Post by: bobcat on January 25, 2018, 09:02:29 AM
The Methow late permits... the only increase I see is Alta, from 10 to 15. Not really a significant increase, is it? Or am I missing something?
Have you read any of the recent (last couple years) "Methow" threads?
Any increase is significant, when most agree they should be reduced. :twocents:
I agree, but I just didn't see it as much of an increase. When I send my comments in I will be asking them to eliminate the general season. That's really what needs to happen. That's where the majority of the harvest occurs.
Post by: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 09:03:21 AM
The Methow late permits... the only increase I see is Alta, from 10 to 15. Not really a significant increase, is it? Or am I missing something?
Have you read any of the recent (last couple years) "Methow" threads?
Any increase is significant, when most agree they should be reduced. :twocents:
This.
Comments sent.
Post by: Gamblin Guy on January 25, 2018, 09:04:59 AM
Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....
This will be our 12th season out of state. Need to just move there as well. :IBCOOL:
I've been taking my kids to Montana the last 5 years, we kill at least one elk and a couple of deer every year. I kept buying my stuff in WA because we hunt with a great group of guys and I enjoy my time in the woods. Maybe I will just go camping from now on. I put my comments in, told them I will spend my money out of state. Of course, after last years licensing increase fiasco where the director tried to hide all the negative comments from the leg committee I doubt my comments see the light of day.
Post by: huntnphool on January 25, 2018, 09:15:36 AM
Any increase in those permits is too much. It should be slashed. :twocents:
I agree. I just sent in my comments to add also that the general deer season in the Methow should go back to 9 days.
What are they smoking thinking of adding more Alta permits :bdid:
I disagree with shortening the season. Since this last season set of adding the extra two week days, I've seen very very few hunters on those last two days in Methow. Come Sunday there is a constant caravan of rigs heading out of town and down the highway going home. Those last two week days are doing nothing to the numbers IMO.
Post by: huntnphool on January 25, 2018, 09:22:52 AM
The Methow late permits... the only increase I see is Alta, from 10 to 15. Not really a significant increase, is it? Or am I missing something?
Have you read any of the recent (last couple years) "Methow" threads?
Any increase is significant, when most agree they should be reduced. :twocents:
I agree, but I just didn't see it as much of an increase. When I send my comments in I will be asking them to eliminate the general season. That's really what needs to happen. That's where the majority of the harvest occurs.
Any increase in those permits is too much. It should be slashed. :twocents:
I agree. I just sent in my comments to add also that the general deer season in the Methow should go back to 9 days.
What are they smoking thinking of adding more Alta permits :bdid:
I disagree with shortening the season. Since this last season set of adding the extra two week days, I've seen very very few hunters on those last two days in Methow. Come Sunday there is a constant caravan of rigs heading out of town and down the highway going home. Those last two week days are doing nothing to the numbers IMO.
The general season is short enough and targets the "local" deer for the most part, not the migrators. Shortening the general season puts added pressure on the local deer, not less. Concentrating more people hunting less days means less escapement for the deer that are there. Again, those added two days are not the problem, we need to cut the targeting of those migratory bucks back. I'd be happy with half the permits in those units for the next several years......then look at adding a couple here and there. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on January 25, 2018, 09:52:36 AM
Post by: huntnphool on January 25, 2018, 09:57:11 AM
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.
Pretty sly. ;) .......but then I happen to know you are a advocate for permit only hunting.
Post by: bobcat on January 25, 2018, 10:01:56 AM
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.
Pretty sly. ;) .......but then I happen to know you are a advocate for permit only hunting.
Yes, permit only, limited quotas, pick east or west, or ANY kind of management other than what we have now, which is NONE. Unlimited number of deer tags with no control as to where people hunt.
Post by: dreamingbig on January 25, 2018, 10:03:57 AM
Based on the allocation formula they are supposed to follow for opportunity allocation this is a direct violation.These proposals are a crockpot of *censored* stew. Taking away anger less opportunity in Yakima from archers but still providing for rifle and muzzleloader? Bumping, Nile and Rimrock added to Little Naches ghost town. You have to take it all away or nothing. This is absurd. Also how can you give out over 245 bull tags for bumping (all combined) but only 30 cow tags? This some sort of new QDMA for elk?
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So if Archery guys can't hunt cows, no one can? :dunno:
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Post by: hunter399 on January 25, 2018, 10:08:23 AM
Post by: huntnphool on January 25, 2018, 10:10:53 AM
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.
Pretty sly. ;) .......but then I happen to know you are a advocate for permit only hunting.
Yes, permit only, limited quotas, pick east or west, or ANY kind of management other than what we have now, which is NONE. Unlimited number of deer tags with no control as to where people hunt.
I hear ya, but until then the general should stay the way it is and a reduction in permits would be the healthiest alternative for the herd.
Which group of bucks would you prefer do the majority of the breeding, the young local bucks that stick around town their entire lives or the migrators?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 25, 2018, 10:18:25 AM
Post by: bobcat on January 25, 2018, 10:20:43 AM
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.
Pretty sly. ;) .......but then I happen to know you are a advocate for permit only hunting.
Yes, permit only, limited quotas, pick east or west, or ANY kind of management other than what we have now, which is NONE. Unlimited number of deer tags with no control as to where people hunt.
I hear ya, but until then the general should stay the way it is and a reduction in permits would be the healthiest alternative for the herd.
Which group of bucks would you prefer do the majority of the breeding, the young local bucks that stick around town their entire lives or the migrators?
I'm pretty sure the 900+ bucks taken during general season aren't ALL local "town" bucks.
Post by: huntnphool on January 25, 2018, 10:57:03 AM
I see a total of 80 buck permits for the Methow units. Then, looking at harvest data for 2016, I count a total of 919 bucks killed during general seasons. It seems to me they could keep the 80 permits and do away with the general season and that should have a much more significant impact than cutting permit numbers in half. You're talking about a reduction of only 40 permits, while eliminating the general season would reduce harvest by 900 bucks.
Pretty sly. ;) .......but then I happen to know you are a advocate for permit only hunting.
Yes, permit only, limited quotas, pick east or west, or ANY kind of management other than what we have now, which is NONE. Unlimited number of deer tags with no control as to where people hunt.
I hear ya, but until then the general should stay the way it is and a reduction in permits would be the healthiest alternative for the herd.
Which group of bucks would you prefer do the majority of the breeding, the young local bucks that stick around town their entire lives or the migrators?
I'm pretty sure the 900+ bucks taken during general season aren't ALL local "town" bucks.
True, but I can assure the vast majority of the bucks taken during the permit hunts are not "local" bucks either.
So which would you prefer?
Post by: dreamingbig on January 25, 2018, 12:01:39 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on January 25, 2018, 12:22:16 PM
Disease and wolves are negatively impacting our moose herds in the northeast, it's a good idea to make the moose permits bulls only to save the cows that reproduce. I strongly suggest eliminating all cow harvest in all units experiencing wolf predation on the moose herd.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 25, 2018, 02:06:33 PM
I would prefer proper predator management. Bear, cougar and wolf populations are all way too high. Expand bear seasons, make spring bear OTC, allow cougar hunting year round and start a wolf season.Dilly dilly. Totally agree.
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Post by: goldenhtr on January 25, 2018, 02:58:18 PM
Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....:yeah: I bet a lot of guys will be doing that. Taking the cow elk away from the early archery hunters in the bumping and nile is complete BS. And I'm pretty sure that they aren't giving out 74 cow moose tags in mt Spokane, that has to be a typo.
Look at unit 175, we hunted it archery last year because it was spike or anterless elk. No one we talked to all week had anything down. But this year it is spike only?? And 3 cow draw tags. WOW!
What's up with Mt. Spokane 2nd deer?? ALL ANTERLESS! Are there does running all over the place??
Moderen- 350 tags
MZ - 125
Archery- 100
You would think that there is a doe on every corner.
Post by: JoeE on January 25, 2018, 03:01:26 PM
Also, no more buying OIL points for your kids. Proposal states you must complete hunters education before you can buy an application for the OIL’s.
Where do you see the part about this being removed? I can’t find it.
Post by: Dhoey07 on January 25, 2018, 03:27:41 PM
On private property there is. On public land, there are a good number of deer as well.Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....:yeah: I bet a lot of guys will be doing that. Taking the cow elk away from the early archery hunters in the bumping and nile is complete BS. And I'm pretty sure that they aren't giving out 74 cow moose tags in mt Spokane, that has to be a typo.
Look at unit 175, we hunted it archery last year because it was spike or anterless elk. No one we talked to all week had anything down. But this year it is spike only?? And 3 cow draw tags. WOW!
What's up with Mt. Spokane 2nd deer?? ALL ANTERLESS! Are there does running all over the place??
Moderen- 350 tags
MZ - 125
Archery- 100
You would think that there is a doe on every corner.
Post by: Southpole on January 25, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Hasn't all 2nd deer permits been antlerless?On private property there is. On public land, there are a good number of deer as well.Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....:yeah: I bet a lot of guys will be doing that. Taking the cow elk away from the early archery hunters in the bumping and nile is complete BS. And I'm pretty sure that they aren't giving out 74 cow moose tags in mt Spokane, that has to be a typo.
Look at unit 175, we hunted it archery last year because it was spike or anterless elk. No one we talked to all week had anything down. But this year it is spike only?? And 3 cow draw tags. WOW!
What's up with Mt. Spokane 2nd deer?? ALL ANTERLESS! Are there does running all over the place??
Moderen- 350 tags
MZ - 125
Archery- 100
You would think that there is a doe on every corner.
Post by: goldenhtr on January 25, 2018, 04:14:46 PM
Hasn't all 2nd deer permits been antlerless?On private property there is. On public land, there are a good number of deer as well.Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....:yeah: I bet a lot of guys will be doing that. Taking the cow elk away from the early archery hunters in the bumping and nile is complete BS. And I'm pretty sure that they aren't giving out 74 cow moose tags in mt Spokane, that has to be a typo.
Look at unit 175, we hunted it archery last year because it was spike or anterless elk. No one we talked to all week had anything down. But this year it is spike only?? And 3 cow draw tags. WOW!
What's up with Mt. Spokane 2nd deer?? ALL ANTERLESS! Are there does running all over the place??
Moderen- 350 tags
MZ - 125
Archery- 100
You would think that there is a doe on every corner.
Yes they are. My point is everyone on the NE were crying about the last few bad winters and CWD and whatever else they could for the low deer numbers. Yet they have as of now looks like are trying to thin the herd. Just seems like alot of permits.
Post by: hunter399 on January 25, 2018, 04:22:17 PM
There has always been a large number of permits around spokane,along with season,people complain about deer more,hit by cars,more people to buy and sell tags,i don't know. :dunno:Hasn't all 2nd deer permits been antlerless?On private property there is. On public land, there are a good number of deer as well.Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....:yeah: I bet a lot of guys will be doing that. Taking the cow elk away from the early archery hunters in the bumping and nile is complete BS. And I'm pretty sure that they aren't giving out 74 cow moose tags in mt Spokane, that has to be a typo.
Look at unit 175, we hunted it archery last year because it was spike or anterless elk. No one we talked to all week had anything down. But this year it is spike only?? And 3 cow draw tags. WOW!
What's up with Mt. Spokane 2nd deer?? ALL ANTERLESS! Are there does running all over the place??
Moderen- 350 tags
MZ - 125
Archery- 100
You would think that there is a doe on every corner.
Yes they are. My point is everyone on the NE were crying about the last few bad winters and CWD and whatever else they could for the low deer numbers. Yet they have as of now looks like are trying to thin the herd. Just seems like alot of permits.
Post by: Antlershed on January 25, 2018, 04:33:31 PM
Section 2bAlso, no more buying OIL points for your kids. Proposal states you must complete hunters education before you can buy an application for the OIL’s.
Where do you see the part about this being removed? I can’t find it.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/2018-2020/wac/220-412-080.pdf
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 25, 2018, 04:42:39 PM
Yeah, agree. Urban herds probably do skew perceptions quite significantly. You can see tons of does running around in yards, but few deer in the hills. When WDFW crunches the numbers they come up with big growing herds. But it doesn't show that most are basically just lawn ornament pests.There has always been a large number of permits around spokane,along with season,people complain about deer more,hit by cars,more people to buy and sell tags,i don't know. :dunno:Hasn't all 2nd deer permits been antlerless?On private property there is. On public land, there are a good number of deer as well.Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....:yeah: I bet a lot of guys will be doing that. Taking the cow elk away from the early archery hunters in the bumping and nile is complete BS. And I'm pretty sure that they aren't giving out 74 cow moose tags in mt Spokane, that has to be a typo.
Look at unit 175, we hunted it archery last year because it was spike or anterless elk. No one we talked to all week had anything down. But this year it is spike only?? And 3 cow draw tags. WOW!
What's up with Mt. Spokane 2nd deer?? ALL ANTERLESS! Are there does running all over the place??
Moderen- 350 tags
MZ - 125
Archery- 100
You would think that there is a doe on every corner.
Yes they are. My point is everyone on the NE were crying about the last few bad winters and CWD and whatever else they could for the low deer numbers. Yet they have as of now looks like are trying to thin the herd. Just seems like alot of permits.
Post by: jamesfromseattle on January 25, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
Whats up with the Nooksack? it says TBD does that mean they are going to to cut them? The region four quality Deer draw is better with the extended dates a four day season is just too short for a "quality" hunt in my book and why I have not put in for the hunt even though it is in my back yard. :twocents:Looks like Sauk quality buck is 14 days long and Stilly is 19 days long with 2 more tags added.
I'm guessing they expect the hunting to be a little slower earlier in the month? That way the effects of the longer season essentially come out in the wash?
Post by: Mr Mykiss on January 25, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
Post by: pd on January 25, 2018, 06:08:08 PM
At least there’s an effort to eliminate all deer from the units surrounding Tricities...
I don't understand. Please explain.
Post by: Southpole on January 25, 2018, 07:52:11 PM
I guess what I was pointing out is that the late quality buck for those units are 14 and 19 days long not 4 days like RB thought. I think it's of a better advantage for those permits to start Nov. 1 instead of the middle of Nov. Like it has in the past. The pre rut starts the last week of October then if a guy draws a permit then they get the first 2 weeks of November to hunt the heat of the rut instead of when it's pretty cooled off late November.Whats up with the Nooksack? it says TBD does that mean they are going to to cut them? The region four quality Deer draw is better with the extended dates a four day season is just too short for a "quality" hunt in my book and why I have not put in for the hunt even though it is in my back yard. :twocents:Looks like Sauk quality buck is 14 days long and Stilly is 19 days long with 2 more tags added.
I'm guessing they expect the hunting to be a little slower earlier in the month? That way the effects of the longer season essentially come out in the wash?
Post by: RB on January 25, 2018, 08:01:06 PM
I guess what I was pointing out is that the late quality buck for those units are 14 and 19 days long not 4 days like RB thought. I think it's of a better advantage for those permits to start Nov. 1 instead of the middle of Nov. Like it has in the past. The pre rut starts the last week of October then if a guy draws a permit then they get the first 2 weeks of November to hunt the heat of the rut instead of when it's pretty cooled off late November.Whats up with the Nooksack? it says TBD does that mean they are going to to cut them? The region four quality Deer draw is better with the extended dates a four day season is just too short for a "quality" hunt in my book and why I have not put in for the hunt even though it is in my back yard. :twocents:Looks like Sauk quality buck is 14 days long and Stilly is 19 days long with 2 more tags added.
:yeah: So much yeah that, I always thought it was ridiculous that it was a "Quality" tag when it amounted to just the regular four days of late Buck we used to have. I might actually put in for it now since it will be a true rut hunt and have several week days to choose from!
I'm guessing they expect the hunting to be a little slower earlier in the month? That way the effects of the longer season essentially come out in the wash?
Post by: Southpole on January 25, 2018, 08:12:18 PM
Post by: RB on January 25, 2018, 08:34:05 PM
Sorry B, your wording threw me off thinking you thought the new proposal was only 4 days but well... yeah it's way better with the 14 and 19 day earlier :tup:
Sorry must be the Crown Royal :chuckle:
Yes I never put in for the so called "quality" hunts around here because 4-5 day season at the end of November is not "quality" in my book. With the change having the first two weeks of November THAT makes it "quality" and am thinking about applying if that sticks!
Post by: Southpole on January 25, 2018, 08:41:53 PM
Aaah, ol' crowny, it has a way of taking over the mind and mouth :chuckle:.Sorry B, your wording threw me off thinking you thought the new proposal was only 4 days but well... yeah it's way better with the 14 and 19 day earlier :tup:
Sorry must be the Crown Royal :chuckle:
Yes I never put in for the so called "quality" hunts around here because 4-5 day season at the end of November is not "quality" in my book. With the change having the first two weeks of November THAT makes it "quality" and am thinking about applying if that sticks!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 26, 2018, 05:33:56 AM
Sorry B, your wording threw me off thinking you thought the new proposal was only 4 days but well... yeah it's way better with the 14 and 19 day earlier :tup:
Sorry must be the Crown Royal :chuckle:
Yes I never put in for the so called "quality" hunts around here because 4-5 day season at the end of November is not "quality" in my book. With the change having the first two weeks of November THAT makes it "quality" and am thinking about applying if that sticks!
For those of us that have hunted these areas when there was a blacktail late season that Nov 15th-20th time frame was the best. Even 460 and 448 units need a break when people aren't out chasing the deer for months on end. :twocents:
Post by: RB on January 26, 2018, 07:42:01 AM
Sorry B, your wording threw me off thinking you thought the new proposal was only 4 days but well... yeah it's way better with the 14 and 19 day earlier :tup:
Sorry must be the Crown Royal :chuckle:
Yes I never put in for the so called "quality" hunts around here because 4-5 day season at the end of November is not "quality" in my book. With the change having the first two weeks of November THAT makes it "quality" and am thinking about applying if that sticks!
For those of us that have hunted these areas when there was a blacktail late season that Nov 15th-20th time frame was the best. Even 460 and 448 units need a break when people aren't out chasing the deer for months on end. :twocents:
Having lived in and hunted in these units since 1980 plus hunted west side Elk my un-scientific analysis is the first two weeks of November are by far the best two weeks to chase Blacktails. I have seen nice Bucks in my yard that I have not seen any other time through the year. I have also seen nice Bucks during Elk season nose to the ground walking though a clear cut in the middle of the day looking for that hot doe. :twocents:
Post by: Southpole on January 26, 2018, 08:00:01 AM
Post by: Wagglyfawn on January 26, 2018, 10:40:55 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on January 26, 2018, 02:23:01 PM
By all means if we’re gonna try and decimate a mule deer herd let’s do it with youth hunters for Heaven’s sake...instead of “giving doe tags to grown a$$ men for effs sake!!”
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2018, 02:42:41 PM
What gmu's is linx recovery zones?
On the provision is says there would be no night hunting, in the wac code you download it says no night hunting for bobcat so does that mean we can still night hunt coyotes?
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 02:51:44 PM
I have a few questions about the small game night hunting that maybe some of you can answer.
What gmu's is linx recovery zones?
On the provision is says there would be no night hunting, in the wac code you download it says no night hunting for bobcat so does that mean we can still night hunt coyotes?
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,223685.0.html
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2018, 02:59:26 PM
Did you read the wac code changes ,can I still night hunt coyotes.
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 03:05:43 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
Looks like you might of taken some anger out on that drawing. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 26, 2018, 03:08:56 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 03:10:33 PM
Does that mean that between the pink lines and the green lines it's open? :dunno:
NO!
If any color touches a GMU, then the whole GMU is off limits!
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2018, 03:14:26 PM
Post by: Machias on January 26, 2018, 04:00:42 PM
This sums up the GMU's that will be off limits for night hunting bobcat, yes you can hunt yotes. Evidently one dude shot a lynx at night so this is the big red panic button rule.
This is actually the official map used at WDFW!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Southpole on January 26, 2018, 05:46:31 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 26, 2018, 05:51:37 PM
I am sure if you would like to admit it. We can get you help for this. I would check with your HR department. :chuckle:
Post by: Southpole on January 26, 2018, 05:59:53 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 26, 2018, 06:02:04 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 26, 2018, 06:19:32 PM
Post by: olsy on January 26, 2018, 06:47:54 PM
What's up with Mt. Spokane 2nd deer?? ALL ANTERLESS! Are there does running all over the place??Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....:yeah: I bet a lot of guys will be doing that. Taking the cow elk away from the early archery hunters in the bumping and nile is complete BS. And I'm pretty sure that they aren't giving out 74 cow moose tags in mt Spokane, that has to be a typo.
Moderen- 350 tags
MZ - 125
Archery- 100
You would think that there is a doe on every corner.
My interpretation is...
They are proposing to remove Deer Areas 1050,1060,1070 (Spokane North, Spokane South, Spokane West) and combine then all under Mt. Spokane
So if I am reading the proposals correctly...
2nd Deer Permits issued for GMU 124 in 2017 (Modern) = 575
Mt. Spokane: 50
1050: 350
1060: 75
1060: 100
2nd Deer Permits issued for GMU 124 in 2018 (Modern) = 350
Mt. Spokane: 350
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2018, 07:34:18 PM
Going to be interesting to see if any changes to these proposals will be made after the comments are gathered. Such a short comment periodI have a feeling most of these are wrote in stone,this comment time is just to make us hunters feel better.
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 08:22:00 PM
Going to be interesting to see if any changes to these proposals will be made after the comments are gathered. Such a short comment periodI have a feeling most of these are wrote in stone,this comment time is just to make us hunters feel better.
There have been changes to the proposed rules in years past, maybe we'll get one or two concessions if we whine hard enough but for the most part I think you're correct. It's a required formality.
Post by: renrutbocaj on January 31, 2018, 12:53:08 PM
Now hopefully they get used...
Post by: hunter399 on January 31, 2018, 01:33:40 PM
Finally get some (250) Doe tags in 121!!!! :tup:
Now hopefully they get used...
I'm seeing 225 tags for antlerless which is still good and I see it's whitetail only which I like cause I don't wanna see 200 mule deer does shot. :tup:
Post by: renrutbocaj on January 31, 2018, 01:38:31 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 31, 2018, 02:21:39 PM
only one of the deer areas was in 124. Whatever number Spokane north was. Spokane south was part of gmu 127 and Spokane West was part of 130.What's up with Mt. Spokane 2nd deer?? ALL ANTERLESS! Are there does running all over the place??Looks like I will be spending my money for out of state tags from now on, pretty much done with this state.....:yeah: I bet a lot of guys will be doing that. Taking the cow elk away from the early archery hunters in the bumping and nile is complete BS. And I'm pretty sure that they aren't giving out 74 cow moose tags in mt Spokane, that has to be a typo.
Moderen- 350 tags
MZ - 125
Archery- 100
You would think that there is a doe on every corner.
My interpretation is...
They are proposing to remove Deer Areas 1050,1060,1070 (Spokane North, Spokane South, Spokane West) and combine then all under Mt. Spokane
So if I am reading the proposals correctly...
2nd Deer Permits issued for GMU 124 in 2017 (Modern) = 575
Mt. Spokane: 50
1050: 350
1060: 75
1060: 100
2nd Deer Permits issued for GMU 124 in 2018 (Modern) = 350
Mt. Spokane: 350
Tag numbers are close to what the deer areas plus gmu were last year.
Post by: baldopepper on January 31, 2018, 02:54:54 PM
Sorry, 225, not 250. But still a big step up.You must be seeing something I'm not. IN the over 20 years I've been in the Hunters area I've seen a steady decline in the whitetail numbers. We used to winter 200-250 around my house and now see maybe 40-50. Mule deer numbers continue to climb, but still not huge numbers. Not sure how we go from recently having a 4point antler restriction to bring the numbers back and now think we need to give out 225 doe tags.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on February 13, 2018, 06:02:54 AM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/2018-2020/index.php
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 13, 2018, 06:05:16 AM
Post by: 92xj on February 13, 2018, 06:28:33 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 13, 2018, 06:37:30 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2018, 07:33:00 AM
Post by: Odell on February 13, 2018, 07:55:02 AM
I agree with that. I don’t think youth should have OIL anyhow. Give them a hair tag for deer but there are too many people who have 20 plus points and have been paying into the system for a lifetime. A ten year old kid hasn’t earned it a sense. With such a small opportunity you have to limit someone.Also, no more buying OIL points for your kids. Proposal states you must complete hunters education before you can buy an application for the OIL’s.
That's a good change.
First thing I noticed that disappoints me is the reduction of youth moose tags from 18 to only 1. Just bad timing since this will be my daughter's first year to apply for permits.
Other than out of your own greed to draw a tag, how is this a good change?
Not sure what it has to do with greed, as either way doesn't affect my chance of drawing.
Just my opinion but I never thought it was fair that a person could accumulate points while not even legally allowed to actually hunt. So I feel the change is warranted.
And i fully support youth opportunity and think they should increase on deer and elk but they can wait like everyone else in oil.
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Post by: dreamingbig on February 13, 2018, 10:13:30 PM
The commission supports an anti hunting bias, is way too predator friendly, cares more about fishing and could care less about anything other than where the money is when they are selling tags.
So in my late 30s I am pretty much done with this state. I give up. They can let the predator population run rampant, they can squeeze the youth, muzzleloader and archery user groups out. They can continue to get commanded like a puppet by the tribes (thank the courts for this one) and they can be fooled into thinking the wolf plan might actually work...
Me? I am out. Taking my money to any of the other western states that want it. I am raising young kids who participate in the outdoors but it won’t be in this state. Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado are all on the list. We will spend thousands annually to do so.
With wolves getting redistributed to all corners of the state it will go downhill fast. I am tired of fighting the rhetoric. Good luck.
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Post by: KFhunter on February 13, 2018, 11:03:11 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,222929.0.html
Post by: dreamingbig on February 13, 2018, 11:36:17 PM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 14, 2018, 05:27:51 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on February 14, 2018, 07:48:47 AM
Your going to have to contend with wolves in all the states you mentioned.Yep. But they do manage them. Sure we are losing the fight every where but this state is trending the wrong way fast.
Did you really think I didn’t know that?
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Post by: SpurInSpokane on February 14, 2018, 02:54:54 PM
If you're like me and thought you'd missed your chance, there's still time!
If everyone throws in their :twocents:, well, somebody might listen (might).
Post by: DaveMonti on February 14, 2018, 04:28:35 PM
Anyone see replacement dates for Modern Blacktail? I'm seeing the dates scratched with no new dates...typo I hope!
I see this as well. Looks like they eliminated all of the regular Modern blacktail seasons while keeping a short late modern blacktail season in some units. Is this correct? No Modern Blacktail season in October at all?
Post by: N7XW on February 14, 2018, 04:32:36 PM
I'm guessing they just didn't put in the new dates (yet).Anyone see replacement dates for Modern Blacktail? I'm seeing the dates scratched with no new dates...typo I hope!
I see this as well. Looks like they eliminated all of the regular Modern blacktail seasons while keeping a short late modern blacktail season in some units. Is this correct? No Modern Blacktail season in October at all?
No way they could eliminate modern blacktail season IMO.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 14, 2018, 04:35:25 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2018, 04:43:02 PM
I still see them. They are farther down the page, just rearranged the order.
:yeah:
What’s really interesting is in 2020 the blacktail season goes to November 1st. I’ve never seen it extend beyond October 31st.
Post by: DaveMonti on February 14, 2018, 08:22:44 PM
I still see them. They are farther down the page, just rearranged the order.
I see them now. I looked at that table a dozen times and didn't see it! Man, getting old sucks!
Post by: Southpole on February 20, 2018, 09:07:36 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 20, 2018, 10:03:49 AM
Post by: Southpole on February 20, 2018, 10:12:55 AM
That’s funny, someone just used Jim Unsworth’s name. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t actually Jim Unsworth himself. :)That could be the case. It's also ironic it's the last comment on every proposal comment page which I'm assuming that's the first comment that was posted for that proposal when it first opened.
Post by: Antlershed on February 20, 2018, 12:05:27 PM
Nope, check out the date. It was 2/14, which would have been the last comment.That’s funny, someone just used Jim Unsworth’s name. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t actually Jim Unsworth himself. :)That could be the case. It's also ironic it's the last comment on every proposal comment page which I'm assuming that's the first comment that was posted for that proposal when it first opened.
Post by: Antlershed on February 20, 2018, 12:06:03 PM
Post by: Southpole on February 20, 2018, 01:19:45 PM
Yeah, your right, the dates are Feb. 14, the latest date. I like how he included he was from Olympia too :tung:Nope, check out the date. It was 2/14, which would have been the last comment.That’s funny, someone just used Jim Unsworth’s name. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t actually Jim Unsworth himself. :)That could be the case. It's also ironic it's the last comment on every proposal comment page which I'm assuming that's the first comment that was posted for that proposal when it first opened.
Post by: Rainier10 on February 20, 2018, 02:08:39 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on February 20, 2018, 02:10:32 PM
My generic feedback for these proposals and this state is this:If all you have to do with your outdoor kids is get them thru hunters ed,I don't see the problem.I agree no one should be able to buy these permits without hunters ed.Just think,Anti hunters might be buying these permits and never intending on using them.At least make the antis do hunters ed before they can either.maybe some of them can get some much needed education on hunting and conservation. :twocents:
The commission supports an anti hunting bias, is way too predator friendly, cares more about fishing and could care less about anything other than where the money is when they are selling tags.
So in my late 30s I am pretty much done with this state. I give up. They can let the predator population run rampant, they can squeeze the youth, muzzleloader and archery user groups out. They can continue to get commanded like a puppet by the tribes (thank the courts for this one) and they can be fooled into thinking the wolf plan might actually work...
Me? I am out. Taking my money to any of the other western states that want it. I am raising young kids who participate in the outdoors but it won’t be in this state. Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado are all on the list. We will spend thousands annually to do so.
With wolves getting redistributed to all corners of the state it will go downhill fast. I am tired of fighting the rhetoric. Good luck.
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Post by: goldenhtr on February 20, 2018, 04:16:09 PM
My generic feedback for these proposals and this state is this:If all you have to do with your outdoor kids is get them thru hunters ed,I don't see the problem.I agree no one should be able to buy these permits without hunters ed.Just think,Anti hunters might be buying these permits and never intending on using them.At least make the antis do hunters ed before they can either.maybe some of them can get some much needed education on hunting and conservation. :twocents:
The commission supports an anti hunting bias, is way too predator friendly, cares more about fishing and could care less about anything other than where the money is when they are selling tags.
So in my late 30s I am pretty much done with this state. I give up. They can let the predator population run rampant, they can squeeze the youth, muzzleloader and archery user groups out. They can continue to get commanded like a puppet by the tribes (thank the courts for this one) and they can be fooled into thinking the wolf plan might actually work...
Me? I am out. Taking my money to any of the other western states that want it. I am raising young kids who participate in the outdoors but it won’t be in this state. Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado are all on the list. We will spend thousands annually to do so.
With wolves getting redistributed to all corners of the state it will go downhill fast. I am tired of fighting the rhetoric. Good luck.
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:yeah:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 20, 2018, 06:41:20 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 20, 2018, 09:34:47 PM
I heard a lot of talk out there about people being upset with the proposals but didn't step up to the plate and make a comment. Exactly why we are in the situation we are in.
How do you know? You assume that WDFW make decisions based on our email suggestions?
Post by: Oh Mah on February 20, 2018, 09:40:14 PM
its all outdoors everyone,come together fairly for all.Voicing to these politician's is a waste of time in my op. voice your op. to the big groups.they are all over the state. :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 21, 2018, 05:04:11 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on February 21, 2018, 10:26:36 AM
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Post by: Oh Mah on February 21, 2018, 10:39:34 AM
That's where your wrong. I have been to meetings where there are groups like the horsemen that have a great turn out and wanted certain trails built. You make your inputs on a map and sure enough the trails that were scheduled to be built were the ones they wanted due to their input. Hunters are all over the board and thus nothing gets done unless an effort is made.that's where i'm wrong?I'm not wrong the horse groups work together always have.They work for what they want and they push the ideas they want..snowmobiler's,jeeper's build a lot of bridges and work on a lot of trails in this state.They use spokesman,they have meetings before these hearings,we hunters don't.
Post by: bearpaw on February 21, 2018, 10:52:45 AM
Sorry, 225, not 250. But still a big step up.You must be seeing something I'm not. IN the over 20 years I've been in the Hunters area I've seen a steady decline in the whitetail numbers. We used to winter 200-250 around my house and now see maybe 40-50. Mule deer numbers continue to climb, but still not huge numbers. Not sure how we go from recently having a 4point antler restriction to bring the numbers back and now think we need to give out 225 doe tags.
I agree with you, I'm not seeing an over abundance of deer, this would be a smarter move after we recover a little more from the last big population decline only two years ago.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 21, 2018, 12:05:43 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 21, 2018, 04:35:50 PM
Well I am sure with the current deer and elk population the WDFW is hoping us hunters get used to the fact there is little wildlife. That way if there is even a sudden change in population they will throw one of their makes them look good statistics out. As their population proposals are so low that the only way is up. Hoping to train us like a dog and pony show. :twocents:
I have to credit them for reducing doe harvest after the dieoff, but it was after local residents made a big deal about it, now back to selling tags...
Post by: renrutbocaj on March 06, 2018, 12:28:14 PM
I agree that the whitetail numbers are down in our area... Hunters area especially. But I think if you were to spread those 225 doe tags out across 121, and estimate maybe 70% get used (~158) then we really are not talking about many deer across the whole GMU. Considering the numbers of bucks being harvested has increased drastically over the past 2 years (avg. 1975/yr) vs the past 5 year average (1447/yr).
I have noticed in the Hunters area and have also heard from others in the Cedonia/Harvey Creek areas that the buck numbers are down big time, and not just from hunting. With the buck to doe ratio so out of whack, these bucks are forced to breed with way more does then they should have to. If a few people who would typically shoot a buck, get a doe with one of these permits, that would greatly reduce the stress on our mature bucks and allow them to winter a lot better. Around my house, I am seeing 50-60 does throughout the winter/spring months, whereas throughout the past two years, I have only witnessed (via trailcams and binos) 2-3 bucks that are over 2 years old. That is a terrible ratio of roughly 20/1.
Needless to say I am fighting an endless battle with Coyotes right now as well that just killed a fawn buck behind the house, so thats not helping either. :bash:
I would love to talk more if you want to shoot me a message. I always welcome great wildlife talk and conversations especially from fellow locals.
Post by: KFhunter on April 20, 2018, 08:37:14 PM
This sums up the GMU's that will be off limits for night hunting bobcat, yes you can hunt yotes. Evidently one dude shot a lynx at night so this is the big red panic button rule.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=223652.0;attach=472926;image)
I was close
Post by: bearpaw on April 21, 2018, 12:24:27 AM
To Bearpaw and Baldopepper...
I agree that the whitetail numbers are down in our area... Hunters area especially. But I think if you were to spread those 225 doe tags out across 121, and estimate maybe 70% get used (~158) then we really are not talking about many deer across the whole GMU. Considering the numbers of bucks being harvested has increased drastically over the past 2 years (avg. 1975/yr) vs the past 5 year average (1447/yr).
I have noticed in the Hunters area and have also heard from others in the Cedonia/Harvey Creek areas that the buck numbers are down big time, and not just from hunting. With the buck to doe ratio so out of whack, these bucks are forced to breed with way more does then they should have to. If a few people who would typically shoot a buck, get a doe with one of these permits, that would greatly reduce the stress on our mature bucks and allow them to winter a lot better. Around my house, I am seeing 50-60 does throughout the winter/spring months, whereas throughout the past two years, I have only witnessed (via trailcams and binos) 2-3 bucks that are over 2 years old. That is a terrible ratio of roughly 20/1.
Needless to say I am fighting an endless battle with Coyotes right now as well that just killed a fawn buck behind the house, so thats not helping either. :bash:
I would love to talk more if you want to shoot me a message. I always welcome great wildlife talk and conversations especially from fellow locals.
The reason the buck kill was lower the previous 5 years is because we had the 4 point rule, we built up the buck population, WDFW removed the rule and now the buck population is again being over harvested and we lost everything we had gained! :bash:
I give up on WDFW, all they want is tag sales and don't care about the game, I'm simply going to shoot deer when seasons are open, my giveadam is busted!
Post by: Mr Mykiss on April 21, 2018, 06:30:54 AM
my giveadam is busted!Amen.
At least they displayed our public comments for people to read online...
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 26, 2018, 05:51:00 AM
Its quite easy you look at the before and after proposals and read the suggestions made.I heard a lot of talk out there about people being upset with the proposals but didn't step up to the plate and make a comment. Exactly why we are in the situation we are in.
How do you know? You assume that WDFW make decisions based on our email suggestions?
Post by: dreamunelk on April 26, 2018, 06:09:23 AM
Its quite easy you look at the before and after proposals and read the suggestions made.I heard a lot of talk out there about people being upset with the proposals but didn't step up to the plate and make a comment. Exactly why we are in the situation we are in.
How do you know? You assume that WDFW make decisions based on our email suggestions?
:yeah:
What is even sadder is how many proposals over the years have been made buy hunters and then excepted by the commission. A few years later the hunter are blaming WDFW for the change.