Post by: thom9719 on January 26, 2018, 02:10:43 PM
Question 1: I don't have to do emissions now, is the emissions system on a rolling timetable? (will I have to do it once the truck reaches a certain age?) I don't want to get screwed in 5 years if I delete it now.
Question 1A: If I do eventually have to do emissions, can I just fail the test, pay my $150 for attempting to pass, and then get a pass?
Question 2: Has anyone sold a truck with an EGR delete? How about trading it in at the dealer? Has it been a difficult sell, or was it the same as selling an untouched truck?
Thanks!
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 02:11:59 PM
Just make sure you do not throw out your stock parts.
@jackelope
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 02:35:10 PM
You'll never pass an emission test here. You have to get a waiver from a state certified emissions shop in order to spend the $150. We're not a certified shop so I don't know all the ins and outs...but I believe you have to make an attempt at repairing the problem in order to get the waiver. In a legit shop, you can't just pay $150 for a waiver.
I think at 10 years old you'll have to do emission depending on where you live. I live in King County but don't have to do emissions at all where I live.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 26, 2018, 02:50:04 PM
Post by: Buckmark on January 26, 2018, 03:00:43 PM
Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019
Post by: 206 on January 26, 2018, 03:02:15 PM
. You have to get a waiver from a state certified emissions shop in order to spend the $150. We're not a certified shop so I don't know all the ins and outs...but I believe you have to make an attempt at repairing the problem in order to get the waiver. In a legit shop, you can't just pay $150 for a waiver.
I think it's $175 that I pay every 2 years. First fail the test. Go to Certified place as said above and pay the 175. Take receipt to emissions and they waive it in the office. Order tabs.
Post by: 206 on January 26, 2018, 03:04:04 PM
There is no State wide Emissions testing
Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019
Missed the 2011 part. Yep there are only certain years required for the test. Woo hoo on the Dec 31 2019 date.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 26, 2018, 03:10:25 PM
There is no State wide Emissions testingI knew someone would be along to correct me!
Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019
I remember seeing something so had a vague memory of some details and just made up the rest. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 03:13:40 PM
Clearly that was me.There is no State wide Emissions testingI knew someone would be along to correct me!
Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019
I remember seeing something so had a vague memory of some details and just made up the rest. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 03:14:24 PM
There is no State wide Emissions testing
Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019
@Buckmark
So does this change the legalities of deleting the EGR system on these trucks?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 26, 2018, 03:22:21 PM
There is no State wide Emissions testing
Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019
@Buckmark
So does this change the legalities of deleting the EGR system on these trucks?
Only the chances of getting caught
Post by: Buckmark on January 26, 2018, 03:22:38 PM
NoThere is no State wide Emissions testing
Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019
@Buckmark
So does this change the legalities of deleting the EGR system on these trucks?
Removing, Tampering or Altering any Emissions control device has always been and still will be Illegal under the Clean Air act, that is Federal law that applies to all states.
It has never been legal to remove, tamper or alter no matter if you had to have emissions testing or not.
A fresh air intake system is tampering/removing :twocents:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 26, 2018, 03:30:42 PM
NoThere is no State wide Emissions testing
Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019
@Buckmark
So does this change the legalities of deleting the EGR system on these trucks?
Removing, Tampering or Altering any Emissions control device has always been and still will be Illegal under the Clean Air act, that is Federal law that applies to all states.
It has never been legal to remove, tamper or alter no matter if you had to have emissions testing or not.
A fresh air intake system is tampering/removing :twocents:
Anyone ever hear of someone being caught?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 26, 2018, 03:33:18 PM
Post by: Buckmark on January 26, 2018, 03:47:37 PM
The state emissions test stations only pass/fail , waiver or no waiver if components are removed or altered and even at that they miss at times or cant tell if it has been altered if not noticeable.
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 03:54:45 PM
Is a diesel emissions test just a scan or do they still do opacity test?
I assume you guys are certified?
Post by: Buckmark on January 26, 2018, 04:15:33 PM
Did you just drop a "scofflaw?"Yes i did, trying to work on my $50.00 words so i can jump into the off topics discussions :chuckle:
Is a diesel emissions test just a scan or do they still do opacity test?
I assume you guys are certified?
Not sure as we don't do diesels
I have 3 techs certified, which is a racket in itself, have to recert every 2 yrs at the tune of 250-300 per tech
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 04:55:39 PM
NoThere is no State wide Emissions testing
Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019
@Buckmark
So does this change the legalities of deleting the EGR system on these trucks?
Removing, Tampering or Altering any Emissions control device has always been and still will be Illegal under the Clean Air act, that is Federal law that applies to all states.
It has never been legal to remove, tamper or alter no matter if you had to have emissions testing or not.
A fresh air intake system is tampering/removing :twocents:
for on road use being the qualifier here, that's why you can still get tuners.
Post by: jackelope on January 26, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
Post by: jstone on January 26, 2018, 05:26:06 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 26, 2018, 07:35:50 PM
Did you just drop a "scofflaw?"Yes i did, trying to work on my $50.00 words so i can jump into the off topics discussions :chuckle:
Is a diesel emissions test just a scan or do they still do opacity test?
I assume you guys are certified?
Not sure as we don't do diesels
I have 3 techs certified, which is a racket in itself, have to recert every 2 yrs at the tune of 250-300 per tech
Do you do the blow and go? Now that’s a racket, I have friend that does those.
Post by: Special T on January 26, 2018, 10:26:45 PM
Just at the testing centerOr at the scale house
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Post by: Mudman on January 26, 2018, 11:48:58 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 26, 2018, 11:51:09 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 11:51:39 PM
All this talk on big bad diesels but don't forget the modified gassers, hot rods, farm trucks, atvs, motorbikes, lawn mowers, boats and weed eater/chainsaws!!! Bah humbug. Move-problem solved. Don't cows pollute massive amounts too? We need a O2egrDpfcat on their azz too!
actually, they have them for cows, it's called a cow fart backpack
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fintainforma.inta.gov.ar%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Fvaca-inta-3.jpg&hash=cf84bd49ff4b16d90367de1cc2ad30a092acd46c)
not that the sheep want to be outdone, they got em too!
(https://www.landcareresearch.co.nz/__data/assets/image/0019/51706/methane_sheep.jpg)
Now you've seen everything
Post by: Mudman on January 26, 2018, 11:58:59 PM
Post by: colersu22 on January 27, 2018, 05:41:44 AM
All diesels 2007 and newer will never need emissions according to the state site. I don't have emissions where I live but when I did the delete on my 03 f350 I used the plates on the EGR pipe and just left the EGR valve as is. I used my SCT tuner to turn off the engine light and EGR valve and had no problems.
Others advise about working on your truck would be my issue if you don't do your own work. That was not the case for me since I did everything on my 6.0 so no worries about shops not touching it.
Post by: jackelope on January 27, 2018, 07:50:06 AM
All this talk on big bad diesels but don't forget the modified gassers, hot rods, farm trucks, atvs, motorbikes, lawn mowers, boats and weed eater/chainsaws!!! Bah humbug. Move-problem solved. Don't cows pollute massive amounts too? We need a O2egrDpfcat on their azz too!
Not too many DPF or EGR issues with the hot rod gassers!
Post by: Special T on January 27, 2018, 08:01:08 AM
A scale house is only for commercial use only.If you are driving cross the border with a horse trailer....
Trust me I'm no fan of this garbage but you had better think this stuff through...
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Post by: coachcw on January 29, 2018, 06:22:47 AM
Post by: Viking360 on January 30, 2018, 10:52:34 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 30, 2018, 11:55:23 AM
All this talk on big bad diesels but don't forget the modified gassers, hot rods, farm trucks, atvs, motorbikes, lawn mowers, boats and weed eater/chainsaws!!! Bah humbug. Move-problem solved. Don't cows pollute massive amounts too? We need a O2egrDpfcat on their azz too!
You've got a point. A 2stroke leaf blower can produce up to 300 times the polluting emissions of a freaking Ford Raptor.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/emissions-test-car-vs-truck-vs-leaf-blower.html
Of course, the Raptor burns as clean as it does because of its emission control features. So maybe lets leave those where they are.