Post by: Ridgeratt on January 26, 2018, 05:32:42 PM
http://www.khq.com/story/37361813/wolf-poacher-fined-in-pend-oreille-county
NEWPORT, Wash. -
A man from Liberty Lake was fined $8,293 in Pend Oreille County District Court Thursday in a plea bargain agreement for killing two wolves.
Terry Leroy Fowler, 55, pleaded guilty to two counts of unlawful taking of endangered wildlife, while a third count was dismissed under the agreement. Fowler will pay $8,000 in restitution to the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) and $293 in court costs. A 364-day jail sentence was suspended, but Fowler will be required to spend 30 days under home electronic monitoring.
WDFW Police Capt. Dan Rahn said the department began investigating the case in late February of 2016, while following up on a wolf mortality near the LeClerc Creek Road in Pend Oreille County. Evidence at the scene led WDFW police to property owned by Fowler.
In March 2016, WDFW served search warrants on Fowler’s cabin in Pend Oreille County, and on his residence in Liberty Lake in Spokane County. Rahn said WDFW police found evidence of wolf trapping, wolf hair, tissue, scat, and two skulls.
In December 2016, the department received the results of a DNA analysis of evidence samples confirming they were from three separate wolves.
WDFW referred charges of three counts of unlawful taking of endangered wildlife to the Pend Oreille County Prosecutor’s Office in early 2017. The plea bargain agreement was finalized Thursday after a number of court hearing continuances.
Wolves are listed as endangered throughout Washington by the state and in the western two-thirds of the state under federal law. Washington had at least 115 wolves in 20 known packs, including at least 10 breeding pairs as of March 2017, when WDFW issued its last population estimate. The wolves in this case were within the Goodman Meadows pack range.
The illegal killing of a wolf or other endangered fish or wildlife species is a gross misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $5,000.
Two other wolf poaching cases in northeast Washington remain under investigation. One involves the killing of a radio-collared female wolf, once part of the Profanity Peak pack in Ferry County, whose carcass was found Dec. 5, 2017, about 15 miles southwest of Republic. The other case involves a dead female wolf found by hunters on Nov. 12, 2017 within the range of the Dirty Shirt pack, about 10 miles southeast of Colville in Stevens County.
Rahn encouraged anyone who might have relevant information about these cases to contact WDFW at 877-933-9847 or 360-902-2936.
Post by: timberfaller on January 26, 2018, 05:35:43 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 05:37:14 PM
The wolves will multiply and make up for any losses this guy inflicted on the pack, the deer/elk he "saved" will still be eaten.
His "management" of the local pack is short lived, but his record is not.
Fight tooth and nail to get wolves managed, but don't do it yourself, it harms everyone involved.
Post by: Southpole on January 26, 2018, 05:55:52 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 26, 2018, 06:13:22 PM
I've said it over and over folks, it's not worth it.Spoken like a true moderator
The wolves will multiply and make up for any losses this guy inflicted on the pack, the deer/elk he "saved" will still be eaten.
His "management" of the local pack is short lived, but his record is not.
Fight tooth and nail to get wolves managed, but don't do it yourself, it harms everyone involved.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 26, 2018, 06:15:34 PM
Post by: robodad on January 26, 2018, 06:17:45 PM
Post by: The scout on January 26, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
Post by: wolfbait on January 26, 2018, 07:07:55 PM
There needs to be a lawsuit against WDFW!
Washington's wolves are not endangered, when will WDFW be held accountable for their wolf introduction corruption? :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 26, 2018, 07:13:08 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 26, 2018, 07:13:13 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 07:15:33 PM
"Terry Leroy Fowler, 55, pleaded guilty to two counts of unlawful taking of endangered wildlife"
There needs to be a lawsuit against WDFW!
Washington's wolves are not endangered, when will WDFW be held accountable for their wolf introduction corruption? :bash: :bash: :bash:
It's too bad he plead guilty, but I know it's a lot easier (and cheaper)
I still would like someone to challenge the endangered species thing, and I'd like someone to submit DNA to the court and try the hybrid angle. They're all hybrid by a small amount, but at what % do we call an animal pure?
Post by: teanawayslayer on January 26, 2018, 07:18:11 PM
Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.did you know him personally?
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 26, 2018, 07:22:36 PM
Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.did you know him personally?
He shot an animal with no open season. He is a poacher. What more do you need? Want me to draw you a picture?
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2018, 07:23:52 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
He should sue WDFW for libel.
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2018, 07:27:38 PM
Ya I wouldn't mind a pic-let it might be interesting. :chuckle: :chuckle: :stirthepot:Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.did you know him personally?
He shot an animal with no open season. He is a poacher. What more do you need? Want me to draw you a picture?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on January 26, 2018, 07:33:04 PM
Ya I wouldn't mind a pic-let it might be interesting. :chuckle: :chuckle: :stirthepot:Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.did you know him personally?
He shot an animal with no open season. He is a poacher. What more do you need? Want me to draw you a picture?
Me too, no stick figure type ones, real honest drawing. :chuckle:
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 26, 2018, 07:34:37 PM
Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.did you know him personally?
He shot an animal with no open season. He is a poacher. What more do you need? Want me to draw you a picture?
WDFW Police Capt. Dan Rahn said the department began investigating the case in late February of 2016, while following up on a wolf mortality near the LeClerc Creek Road in Pend Oreille County. Evidence at the scene led WDFW police to property owned by Fowler.
In March 2016, WDFW served search warrants on Fowler’s cabin in Pend Oreille County, and on his residence in Liberty Lake in Spokane County. Rahn said WDFW police found evidence of wolf trapping, wolf hair, tissue, scat, and two skulls.
Can someone define the underlined word for me. :dunno:
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 07:40:09 PM
I've said it over and over folks, it's not worth it.Spoken like a true moderator
The wolves will multiply and make up for any losses this guy inflicted on the pack, the deer/elk he "saved" will still be eaten.
His "management" of the local pack is short lived, but his record is not.
Fight tooth and nail to get wolves managed, but don't do it yourself, it harms everyone involved.
I said much the same prior to being a mod
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,105968.0.html
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2018, 07:53:11 PM
I think I can define it in a pic-let Here we go!Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.did you know him personally?
He shot an animal with no open season. He is a poacher. What more do you need? Want me to draw you a picture?
WDFW Police Capt. Dan Rahn said the department began investigating the case in late February of 2016, while following up on a wolf mortality near the LeClerc Creek Road in Pend Oreille County. Evidence at the scene led WDFW police to property owned by Fowler.
In March 2016, WDFW served search warrants on Fowler’s cabin in Pend Oreille County, and on his residence in Liberty Lake in Spokane County. Rahn said WDFW police found evidence of wolf trapping, wolf hair, tissue, scat, and two skulls.
Can someone define the underlined word for me. :dunno:
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
Post by: mfswallace on January 26, 2018, 08:09:17 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/release-print/jan2618a/
He should sue WDFW for libel.
Why?
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 08:14:49 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/release-print/jan2618a/
He should sue WDFW for libel.
Why?
WDFW is a government entity, they've accused this person of being a "poacher".
There is no such thing as a poacher, there's no RCW, there's no legal term "poacher". It is purely slanderous, and since it's in writing it's libel.
Post by: Mudman on January 26, 2018, 08:15:40 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on January 26, 2018, 08:30:01 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/release-print/jan2618a/
He should sue WDFW for libel.
Why?
WDFW is a government entity, they've accused this person of being a "poacher".
There is no such thing as a poacher, there's no RCW, there's no legal term "poacher". It is purely slanderous, and since it's in writing it's libel.
Good to know, screw waiting for a tag, blue mountains here I come!
Post by: Special T on January 26, 2018, 08:34:05 PM
The devil is in the details how he got caught, he owned the land they were killed on, and he kept the skulls, plus traps with evidence on them, this guy is a rocket scientist. :chuckle:The Mafia rarely get caught... They are professionals.
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Post by: Dan-o on January 26, 2018, 08:34:42 PM
Notice this wolf is from Russia , so he is not involved in this case. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Collusion!!!!!!!!
Post by: hunter399 on January 26, 2018, 08:52:06 PM
My name is babyfawn killer or my spirit name is killsbulls you wanna shoot.Notice this wolf is from Russia , so he is not involved in this case. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Collusion!!!!!!!!
I'm from Russia jumped off a ammunition boat in Alaska and came to Washington,I'm representing wolves life's matter,Im like the king of wolves ,you know one wolf to rule them all.any questions you let me know.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 26, 2018, 08:57:33 PM
My name is babyfawn killer or my spirit name is killsbulls you wanna shoot.Notice this wolf is from Russia , so he is not involved in this case. :chuckle: :chuckle:
Collusion!!!!!!!!
I'm from Russia jumped off a ammunition boat in Alaska and came to Washington,I'm representing wolves life's matter,Im like the king of wolves ,you know one wolf to rule them all.any questions you let me know.
LOL :chuckle:
Post by: buglebrush on January 26, 2018, 09:45:46 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 09:50:42 PM
Ridiculous! How can an animal be endangered one day, and then your over the ridge and be hunted like crazy? This is right on the Canadian border where you can legally kill more than three a year! Those lynx were certainly Canada's lynx just as much as Washington's. I wish he'd have hired a really good lawyer. This state is so messed up! :bash:
mind if I put your quote in a different thread about night hunting bobcats? :chuckle:
Post by: buglebrush on January 26, 2018, 09:55:49 PM
Ridiculous! How can an animal be endangered one day, and then your over the ridge and be hunted like crazy? This is right on the Canadian border where you can legally kill more than three a year! Those lynx were certainly Canada's lynx just as much as Washington's. I wish he'd have hired a really good lawyer. This state is so messed up! :bash:
mind if I put your quote in a different thread about night hunting bobcats? :chuckle:
Apples and Oranges
Post by: trophyhunt on January 26, 2018, 09:57:02 PM
Can we take up a collection to help this guy pay the fine :chuckle::yeah:
Post by: JL on January 26, 2018, 10:30:13 PM
I am just sick of this misinformation and polluted reporting across the board. I am especially sick of these delusional thinkers on the other side of this state, waving their wands and completely disrupting every possible facet of Eastern WA life. It's gone WAY too far in my opinion.
I know I am ranting at this point, but I've spent 40% of the last 3 month's trying to research, decipher, and "keep legal" with the incredible amount of insanity coming out of the East. It's unconstitutional as far as I am concerned. I'm sick of trying to be civil, "understanding," and "smiley" with these people. Delusional freaks. From economics to wildlife... it's a complete disaster.
So, no more civility for me. The next "wolfie" I run into is going to get a good one, tour to the wolf grounds that is.
Post by: buglebrush on January 26, 2018, 10:44:42 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 26, 2018, 10:47:38 PM
Post by: JL on January 26, 2018, 10:58:28 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 26, 2018, 11:25:22 PM
Post by: Miles on January 27, 2018, 06:47:12 AM
I've said it over and over folks, it's not worth it.Spoken like a true moderator
The wolves will multiply and make up for any losses this guy inflicted on the pack, the deer/elk he "saved" will still be eaten.
His "management" of the local pack is short lived, but his record is not.
Fight tooth and nail to get wolves managed, but don't do it yourself, it harms everyone involved.
I said much the same prior to being a mod
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,105968.0.html
Must be why you were selected. :chuckle:
Post by: benhuntin on January 27, 2018, 08:00:30 AM
He already paid it off yesterday.Can we take up a collection to help this guy pay the fine :chuckle::yeah:
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Post by: jackelope on January 27, 2018, 08:04:53 AM
Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.
I agree. As much as we don't need or want them here, him killing WA wolves literally does more harm than good... even to us as hunters, and it's yet another black eye for the hunting community.
Post by: X-Force on January 27, 2018, 08:08:29 AM
Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.
I agree. As much as we don't need or want them here, him killing WA wolves literally does more harm than good... even to us as hunters, and it's yet another black eye for the hunting community.
Totally agree
Post by: Special T on January 27, 2018, 08:09:02 AM
Unless he some how uses it to make a court challenge....Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.
I agree. As much as we don't need or want them here, him killing WA wolves literally does more harm than good... even to us as hunters, and it's yet another black eye for the hunting community.
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Post by: trophyhunt on January 27, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
I'd love to see a court challenge, the elk in the blues have been hit hard, one of our best quality areas is going down hill fast. wolves are a big part of that problem, if the people who live there and care about the elk and deer herds take a few wolves out, good for them. Just how I feel about it.Unless he some how uses it to make a court challenge....Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.
I agree. As much as we don't need or want them here, him killing WA wolves literally does more harm than good... even to us as hunters, and it's yet another black eye for the hunting community.
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Post by: seth30 on January 27, 2018, 09:24:02 AM
Best $8293 the guy ever spent..so he gets charged that much and the guys down in southwest WA that poached over a hundred big game animals got a 500 dollar fine. Our system is a little off kilter :bash:
Post by: jackelope on January 27, 2018, 09:27:48 AM
Honest answers now!!
Post by: Special T on January 27, 2018, 09:41:11 AM
Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Just like the illegal gun laws that get passed very little can be done unless there is a test case with legal standing.
Honest answers now!!
Who wants to be the legal test case for a felony? Not me. Since it is no longer a felony to kill one in this state perhaps the bar is low enough for a legal challenge.
Unless you went out and shot a wolf and drug it to the Game warden and said charge me.... The likelyhood of a perfect test case is close to zero.
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Post by: seth30 on January 27, 2018, 09:42:40 AM
Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?I am for sound management practices, so far I have not seen any presented by WDFW or the voters of Washington.
Honest answers now!!
Post by: Rainier10 on January 27, 2018, 09:43:39 AM
I've said it over and over folks, it's not worth it.:yeah:
The wolves will multiply and make up for any losses this guy inflicted on the pack, the deer/elk he "saved" will still be eaten.
His "management" of the local pack is short lived, but his record is not.
Fight tooth and nail to get wolves managed, but don't do it yourself, it harms everyone involved.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 27, 2018, 10:04:38 AM
Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers. I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting. We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why. I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Honest answers now!!
Post by: KFhunter on January 27, 2018, 10:19:23 AM
If he were killing them because they were getting into his livestock I could support that, if he were killing them because they were decimating the deer off his food plots I could be sympathetic, but he's keeping trophy's.
So I won't be contributing to a go fund me to bail him out.
Post by: bearpaw on January 27, 2018, 10:24:31 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 27, 2018, 10:40:01 AM
I can't support this guy, he kept trophies, which tells me he's not killing them just to save deer, or elk, or livestock...he's keeping the hides and skulls.Keeping trophies in this situation is not smart at all, dumb decision for sure. And like bearpaw said, if he wants trophies he should have just went to Idaho a short drive away.
If he were killing them because they were getting into his livestock I could support that, if he were killing them because they were decimating the deer off his food plots I could be sympathetic and turn a blind eye, but he's keeping trophy's.
So I won't be contributing to a go fund me to bail him out.
Post by: Mudman on January 27, 2018, 11:11:06 AM
Post by: buglebrush on January 27, 2018, 12:04:23 PM
I'd love to see a court challenge, the elk in the blues have been hit hard, one of our best quality areas is going down hill fast. wolves are a big part of that problem, if the people who live there and care about the elk and deer herds take a few wolves out, good for them. Just how I feel about it.Unless he some how uses it to make a court challenge....Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.
I agree. As much as we don't need or want them here, him killing WA wolves literally does more harm than good... even to us as hunters, and it's yet another black eye for the hunting community.
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Whether or not I would kill a wolf if given the chance, I'm still happy that two of them were killed; and bummed he is getting punished for doing what WDFW should be highly encouraging us all to do.
The way he went about it was stupid, but WDFW's predator management strategy is even more stupid and harmful to hunters. Is there a time where civil disobedience is excusable? That's the real rub, and always has been. Some people submitted to Hitler, and some resisted. That's the way it will always be. :twocents: :twocents:
Would dearly love to see a very talented lawyer take a case before a jury somewhere like Stevens or Pend Oreille County.
Post by: nwwanderer on January 27, 2018, 01:44:06 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 27, 2018, 01:50:00 PM
:tup: AgreeI'd love to see a court challenge, the elk in the blues have been hit hard, one of our best quality areas is going down hill fast. wolves are a big part of that problem, if the people who live there and care about the elk and deer herds take a few wolves out, good for them. Just how I feel about it.Unless he some how uses it to make a court challenge....Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.
I agree. As much as we don't need or want them here, him killing WA wolves literally does more harm than good... even to us as hunters, and it's yet another black eye for the hunting community.
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Whether or not I would kill a wolf if given the chance, I'm still happy that two of them were killed; and bummed he is getting punished for doing what WDFW should be highly encouraging us all to do.
The way he went about it was stupid, but WDFW's predator management strategy is even more stupid and harmful to hunters. Is there a time where civil disobedience is excusable? That's the real rub, and always has been. Some people submitted to Hitler, and some resisted. That's the way it will always be. :twocents: :twocents:
Would dearly love to see a very talented lawyer take a case before a jury somewhere like Stevens or Pend Oreille County.
Post by: PA BEN on January 27, 2018, 05:20:05 PM
If this link works it shows a picture of a leg trapGlad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.did you know him personally?
He shot an animal with no open season. He is a poacher. What more do you need? Want me to draw you a picture?
WDFW Police Capt. Dan Rahn said the department began investigating the case in late February of 2016, while following up on a wolf mortality near the LeClerc Creek Road in Pend Oreille County. Evidence at the scene led WDFW police to property owned by Fowler.
In March 2016, WDFW served search warrants on Fowler’s cabin in Pend Oreille County, and on his residence in Liberty Lake in Spokane County. Rahn said WDFW police found evidence of wolf trapping, wolf hair, tissue, scat, and two skulls.
Can someone define the underlined word for me. :dunno:
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/spokane-area-man-fined-8300-for-poaching-2-northeast-washington-wolves/
Post by: KFhunter on January 27, 2018, 05:27:36 PM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on January 27, 2018, 05:41:56 PM
Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers. I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting. We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why. I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Honest answers now!!
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.
Post by: hunter399 on January 27, 2018, 06:22:10 PM
I can't support this guy, he kept trophies, which tells me he's not killing them just to save deer, or elk, or livestock...he's keeping the hides and skulls.
If he were killing them because they were getting into his livestock I could support that, if he were killing them because they were decimating the deer off his food plots I could be sympathetic, but he's keeping trophy's.
So I won't be contributing to a go fund me to bail him out.
I have to agree with KF on this just the way I feel also.
I seen this on my YouTube today thought it might related a little bit.
Post by: KFhunter on January 27, 2018, 06:30:18 PM
Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers. I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting. We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why. I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Honest answers now!!
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.
I don't support any poaching, nor do I buy into the slippery slope idea either.
I'm also careful about labeling someone a poacher, if a guy is having problems with wolves killing his critters and shoots 2 of them off a struggling heifer - he's a poacher.
My point is not all poaching is equal, and to view it as such is overly simplistic especially when you have no skin in the game. Just laws and enforcement of those laws require an element of compassion and understanding, strict black and white is what gets us a police state.
clearly the guy in this instance was a poacher, but probably felt empowered by all the folks saying to kill them all, so he tried, now he pays.
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 27, 2018, 06:30:31 PM
I'm think I would like a steady sheet of plywood.
Post by: wolfbait on January 27, 2018, 07:01:39 PM
Glad he was caught! He's a scum bag poacher and his kind is not welcome in the hunting community.
I agree. As much as we don't need or want them here, him killing WA wolves literally does more harm than good... even to us as hunters, and it's yet another black eye for the hunting community.
You sound like a CNW or DoW representative, jack.
Please explain to all of us how less wolves is bad for Washington?
We have watched for several years now as WDFW have lied to the people of WA. backed by their fake environmental partners.
Get out and talk to folks besides those who work for WDFW or CNW etc. and you will discover there are many people besides rural folks that have taken a disliking to the wolves.
Public opinion has turned against the wolves, and like the wolves, WDFW and CNW etc. have become known as dishonest, and are like as much as the wolves.
And just like in other states where wolves were allowed to grow out of control, folks openly express what is happening to wolves. I was talking to a guy at a business in Wenatchee a couple of weeks ago, I ask him how their wolves were doing, he said “he thought the local boys had shot most the wolves out around there, except in the Entiat, which he said needed some extra wolf control”
The wolf problems aren’t a secret anymore, and wolf control is being implemented by folks throughout WA., I think most realize that WDFW have no intention of ever controlling wolves.
Any idea how many dogs were killed just this winter in Okanogan County by wolves?
Or how many interactions there were between wolves and people?
Have you heard anything about the wolves up around Loomis?
WDFW don't like that info getting out to the public, but the public does learn about such incidences.
As far as poaching-how many of Washingtons ungulates have been poached by WDFW fake endangered wolves?
The only ones with black eyes at this stage of the game jack, is WDF&wolves.
Post by: KFhunter on January 27, 2018, 07:40:16 PM
Post by: Scheindogg on January 27, 2018, 07:42:00 PM
It’s a cool idea in theory but would stink in some ways.. just sayin..
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 27, 2018, 07:44:47 PM
This is slightly off topic but splitting E WA from W WA would stink pretty bad for us W WA folk who hunt E WA. We would have to pay out of state price for tags?(and vice versa) I assume they wouldn’t give us a Washington price because then Idaho would feel like they should get the same discount for being a neighbor state as well?
It’s a cool idea in theory but would stink in some ways.. just sayin..
:tup: Let this man pick a Kewpie Doll off the wall anyone of his choice.
On the plus side perhaps we could get a wolf mangement plan in place.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on January 27, 2018, 07:45:01 PM
How did the wdfw have a clue about the guy killing wolves in the first place? Did someone rat him out?My guess is he forgot an S or two
Post by: KFhunter on January 27, 2018, 07:52:18 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 27, 2018, 08:27:07 PM
I’ll respond after the whiskey, tomorrow. But there is a difference.Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers. I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting. We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why. I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Honest answers now!!
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.
Post by: buglebrush on January 27, 2018, 10:22:45 PM
This is slightly off topic but splitting E WA from W WA would stink pretty bad for us W WA folk who hunt E WA. We would have to pay out of state price for tags?(and vice versa) I assume they wouldn’t give us a Washington price because then Idaho would feel like they should get the same discount for being a neighbor state as well?
It’s a cool idea in theory but would stink in some ways.. just sayin..
You're free to move wherever you want.
Post by: Scheindogg on January 27, 2018, 10:26:29 PM
This is slightly off topic but splitting E WA from W WA would stink pretty bad for us W WA folk who hunt E WA. We would have to pay out of state price for tags?(and vice versa) I assume they wouldn’t give us a Washington price because then Idaho would feel like they should get the same discount for being a neighbor state as well?
It’s a cool idea in theory but would stink in some ways.. just sayin..
True but I could also move to Montana or any other state with better hunting opportunity but I don’t because my life is here. I’m just saying in certain ways it would not be cool for some western Washington folks (or some eastern who love they’re blacktails!!)
You're free to move wherever you want.
Post by: buglebrush on January 27, 2018, 10:31:58 PM
Post by: fastdam on January 28, 2018, 09:01:24 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on January 28, 2018, 09:14:50 AM
I’ll respond after the whiskey, tomorrow. But there is a difference.Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers. I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting. We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why. I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Honest answers now!!
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but if poaching is poaching, and it's completely that black and white, does that only apply to poaching laws- or does it apply to all laws?
Seems like with some of the wrist-slap sentences handed down for poaching, the state judicial system does not elevate poaching above other laws :dunno:
Post by: trophyhunt on January 28, 2018, 10:55:40 AM
The WDFW is not going to helpbus (the public) with the wolf problem. They could just not get involved in wolf shootings and leave it up to the feds to do their own dirty work. But instead they take the stance, against us, the people they "represent". Because of this, it is up to us to deal with the wolf problem and we should all do our part and kill every wolf we see. Unless of course you can't see that the government you support is a criminal groupthere is a lot of truth in your statement, and I tend to agree.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 28, 2018, 11:13:18 AM
I definitely think there should be different levels of punishment that goes with certain poaching, the state government ignores the law against pot because they benefit from the legalization of it in our state. But it's still against federal law, so is breaking the law against the feds ok when it benefits the state? What's the difference between that and a guy killing a wolf to protect an animal the is much more of a benefit to the state? And the truth is more sportsman care about elk, deer, and salmon than any wolf, sea lion , or other predator. Now if some a hole kills deer, elk, bear, cougar and what ever for the fun of it and it benefits nothing, they should receive full penalty of the law. I hate poaching like I've always said, and I know its considered poaching to kill a wolf, but I will never put the people who shoot wolves illegally at the same level as some d bag that thrill kills deer, elk ect. for no reason.Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers. I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting. We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why. I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Honest answers now!!
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.
Post by: NumaJohn on January 28, 2018, 01:04:02 PM
I think that the State of Washington would have to make wolf hunting legal before your comparison with the marijuana situation would be persuasive.
John
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2018, 01:39:08 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on January 28, 2018, 01:44:12 PM
trophyhunt,very true, I was just searching for an example.
I think that the State of Washington would have to make wolf hunting legal before your comparison with the marijuana situation would be persuasive.
John
Post by: trophyhunt on January 28, 2018, 01:44:59 PM
I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.:yeah: this makes better sense, completely agree.
Post by: Miles on January 28, 2018, 03:45:09 PM
I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.
Did you get off your huntwa moderator meds? Lol. I can agree with some of what you said. I’m about as law abiding as they come when hunting. Sometimes I worry too much about things and I’ve missed opportunities at big game cause I just wasn’t sure if something was legal in the state I was hunting in.
However, I would 100% never turn in someone who shot a wolf. When the government isn’t listening to the people, eventually the people decide what is right, and what is wrong. Shoot a wolf in front of me, I’ll smile, give a nod, and continue on with my day.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on January 28, 2018, 04:07:35 PM
I definitely think there should be different levels of punishment that goes with certain poaching, the state government ignores the law against pot because they benefit from the legalization of it in our state. But it's still against federal law, so is breaking the law against the feds ok when it benefits the state? What's the difference between that and a guy killing a wolf to protect an animal the is much more of a benefit to the state? And the truth is more sportsman care about elk, deer, and salmon than any wolf, sea lion , or other predator. Now if some a hole kills deer, elk, bear, cougar and what ever for the fun of it and it benefits nothing, they should receive full penalty of the law. I hate poaching like I've always said, and I know its considered poaching to kill a wolf, but I will never put the people who shoot wolves illegally at the same level as some d bag that thrill kills deer, elk ect. for no reason.Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers. I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting. We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why. I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Honest answers now!!
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.
Thank you for the response.
So your saying just wolves then? Why not sea lions?
People will make up there own justification for obeying the laws.
Fishermen will keep illegal fish, because if not “the tribes will get them anyway”.
Heck many of they uppity fly fishermen threatened to poach anyway if they don’t get the catch and release season they want.
To me it’s just way simpler to follow the laws.
If you don’t like the laws, do something about that.
Do you think poaching some wolves makes a difference?
All it does is put hunters in a negative light with the voters of this state.
The same voters we need to convince to allow hunting on pinnipeds and cormorants.
Post by: jackelope on January 28, 2018, 04:41:39 PM
I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.
Did you get off your huntwa moderator meds? Lol. I can agree with some of what you said. I’m about as law abiding as they come when hunting. Sometimes I worry too much about things and I’ve missed opportunities at big game cause I just wasn’t sure if something was legal in the state I was hunting in.
However, I would 100% never turn in someone who shot a wolf. When the government isn’t listening to the people, eventually the people decide what is right, and what is wrong. Shoot a wolf in front of me, I’ll smile, give a nod, and continue on with my day.
So you’re saying you’re fine with laws being broken as long as someone else is doing the law breaking?
:chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2018, 04:55:21 PM
I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.
Did you get off your huntwa moderator meds? Lol. I can agree with some of what you said. I’m about as law abiding as they come when hunting. Sometimes I worry too much about things and I’ve missed opportunities at big game cause I just wasn’t sure if something was legal in the state I was hunting in.
However, I would 100% never turn in someone who shot a wolf. When the government isn’t listening to the people, eventually the people decide what is right, and what is wrong. Shoot a wolf in front of me, I’ll smile, give a nod, and continue on with my day.
Just being honest. Sorry, but I'm not going to fake it and act like someone illegally killing a wolf upsets me. It just doesn't. I'm also not going to try to encourage people to go out and kill as many as they can. As others have said, it's really not going to help in the long run. But if someone kills a wolf I'm sure not going to cry over it.
Post by: Special T on January 28, 2018, 04:56:01 PM
You will find that anytime government forces a segment of the population into a corner they will revolt. Civil disobediance is breaking the law, and if government cares why folks are thumbing thier nose at the state they would do themselves a favor to understand why. Government only has the power to enforce because the populace complies. Rules that are not just, make sense, or dont show the citizenry that they have a vested intrest, will have a low level of compliance.I definitely think there should be different levels of punishment that goes with certain poaching, the state government ignores the law against pot because they benefit from the legalization of it in our state. But it's still against federal law, so is breaking the law against the feds ok when it benefits the state? What's the difference between that and a guy killing a wolf to protect an animal the is much more of a benefit to the state? And the truth is more sportsman care about elk, deer, and salmon than any wolf, sea lion , or other predator. Now if some a hole kills deer, elk, bear, cougar and what ever for the fun of it and it benefits nothing, they should receive full penalty of the law. I hate poaching like I've always said, and I know its considered poaching to kill a wolf, but I will never put the people who shoot wolves illegally at the same level as some d bag that thrill kills deer, elk ect. for no reason.Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers. I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting. We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why. I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Honest answers now!!
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.
Thank you for the response.
So your saying just wolves then? Why not sea lions?
People will make up there own justification for obeying the laws.
Fishermen will keep illegal fish, because if not “the tribes will get them anyway”.
Heck many of they uppity fly fishermen threatened to poach anyway if they don’t get the catch and release season they want.
To me it’s just way simpler to follow the laws.
If you don’t like the laws, do something about that.
Do you think poaching some wolves makes a difference?
All it does is put hunters in a negative light with the voters of this state.
The same voters we need to convince to allow hunting on pinnipeds and cormorants.
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Post by: trophyhunt on January 28, 2018, 06:06:20 PM
im ok with sea lions getting shot as well, they are over populated and the salmon are waaaay more of an asset. Like others have said, it wouldn’t bother me a bit if I saw someone whack a wolf or sea lion, no problem. And the argument about hunters being put in a negative light, well, anti’s will always put us in a negative light no matter what we do. If you want to impress anti’s, just pick up a camera and put down the gun. As far as voters go, they just aren’t educated enough, bear baiting is a good example of uneducated voters. I certainly don’t have the answer to our problems, but a few less wolves is a good start. By the time Wdfw sets a season on wolves you know it will be too late.I definitely think there should be different levels of punishment that goes with certain poaching, the state government ignores the law against pot because they benefit from the legalization of it in our state. But it's still against federal law, so is breaking the law against the feds ok when it benefits the state? What's the difference between that and a guy killing a wolf to protect an animal the is much more of a benefit to the state? And the truth is more sportsman care about elk, deer, and salmon than any wolf, sea lion , or other predator. Now if some a hole kills deer, elk, bear, cougar and what ever for the fun of it and it benefits nothing, they should receive full penalty of the law. I hate poaching like I've always said, and I know its considered poaching to kill a wolf, but I will never put the people who shoot wolves illegally at the same level as some d bag that thrill kills deer, elk ect. for no reason.Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers. I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting. We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why. I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Honest answers now!!
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.
Thank you for the response.
So your saying just wolves then? Why not sea lions?
People will make up there own justification for obeying the laws.
Fishermen will keep illegal fish, because if not “the tribes will get them anyway”.
Heck many of they uppity fly fishermen threatened to poach anyway if they don’t get the catch and release season they want.
To me it’s just way simpler to follow the laws.
If you don’t like the laws, do something about that.
Do you think poaching some wolves makes a difference?
All it does is put hunters in a negative light with the voters of this state.
The same voters we need to convince to allow hunting on pinnipeds and cormorants.
Post by: snake on January 28, 2018, 06:36:40 PM
I would bet my life savings that Washington will never allow a sport season for wolves. No matter how high the population gets. Too many bleeding hearts.im ok with sea lions getting shot as well, they are over populated and the salmon are waaaay more of an asset. Like others have said, it wouldn’t bother me a bit if I saw someone whack a wolf or sea lion, no problem. And the argument about hunters being put in a negative light, well, anti’s will always put us in a negative light no matter what we do. If you want to impress anti’s, just pick up a camera and put down the gun. As far as voters go, they just aren’t educated enough, bear baiting is a good example of uneducated voters. I certainly don’t have the answer to our problems, but a few less wolves is a good start. By the time Wdfw sets a season on wolves you know it will be too late.I definitely think there should be different levels of punishment that goes with certain poaching, the state government ignores the law against pot because they benefit from the legalization of it in our state. But it's still against federal law, so is breaking the law against the feds ok when it benefits the state? What's the difference between that and a guy killing a wolf to protect an animal the is much more of a benefit to the state? And the truth is more sportsman care about elk, deer, and salmon than any wolf, sea lion , or other predator. Now if some a hole kills deer, elk, bear, cougar and what ever for the fun of it and it benefits nothing, they should receive full penalty of the law. I hate poaching like I've always said, and I know its considered poaching to kill a wolf, but I will never put the people who shoot wolves illegally at the same level as some d bag that thrill kills deer, elk ect. for no reason.Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers. I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting. We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why. I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.
Honest answers now!!
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.
Thank you for the response.
So your saying just wolves then? Why not sea lions?
People will make up there own justification for obeying the laws.
Fishermen will keep illegal fish, because if not “the tribes will get them anyway”.
Heck many of they uppity fly fishermen threatened to poach anyway if they don’t get the catch and release season they want.
To me it’s just way simpler to follow the laws.
If you don’t like the laws, do something about that.
Do you think poaching some wolves makes a difference?
All it does is put hunters in a negative light with the voters of this state.
The same voters we need to convince to allow hunting on pinnipeds and cormorants.
Post by: HighlandLofts on January 28, 2018, 07:15:02 PM
What a dumb ass for keeping any part of them wolves. No evidense, and shut the F-UP, EQUALS NO CONVICTION.
Both sides of this have their own opinion on this and it will take it's coarse. I'm s believer of Shoot,Shovel & Shut up
What happens in the mountains, Stays in the mountains.
That's why I go shooting by myself, there is only one story, or no story. No story works better, sir I have no idea what you are talking about. If I'm not under arrest, I'm going to go home now, contact my lawyer for any information.
Post by: Special T on January 28, 2018, 07:27:02 PM
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Post by: grundy53 on January 28, 2018, 07:38:20 PM
I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.I feel the same. Wolves aren't even endangered where those wolves were killed (eastern third of Washington). The Fed's delisted them. The fact that they are listed by the state as endangered is a farce.
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Post by: chiwawadan on January 29, 2018, 11:43:12 AM
It's legit, don't know if it'll happen but there is steam behind the motion. I think you'll see something very soon, something that will be all over the media.
What? Is this just internal hope talking or can you spill some beans on something? Is a rogue city council member planning a non-violent takeover? :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 29, 2018, 02:15:38 PM
I'd really like to know how many have actually seen a wolf in the wild. I've asked this before and get some plausible answers, but don't believe all answers.
Post by: Southpole on January 29, 2018, 02:41:06 PM
I think all the wolf lovers on here, should rent a bus or 5 and come over and actually see what a wolf does. You may change your minds.Wolves work for Blue Buffalo dog food company, they look super cool doing it too, and get paid with dog food, so they really don't kill and eat other animals...
I'd really like to know how many have actually seen a wolf in the wild. I've asked this before and get some plausible answers, but don't believe all answers.
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on January 29, 2018, 02:55:23 PM
I think all the wolf lovers on here, should rent a bus or 5 and come over and actually see what a wolf does. You may change your minds.Wolves work for Blue Buffalo dog food company, they look super cool doing it too, and get paid with dog food, so they really don't kill and eat other animals...
I'd really like to know how many have actually seen a wolf in the wild. I've asked this before and get some plausible answers, but don't believe all answers.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Ain't that something!
Post by: Southpole on January 29, 2018, 03:20:22 PM
True story 8)I think all the wolf lovers on here, should rent a bus or 5 and come over and actually see what a wolf does. You may change your minds.Wolves work for Blue Buffalo dog food company, they look super cool doing it too, and get paid with dog food, so they really don't kill and eat other animals...
I'd really like to know how many have actually seen a wolf in the wild. I've asked this before and get some plausible answers, but don't believe all answers.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Ain't that something!
Post by: Miles on January 29, 2018, 05:15:24 PM
I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.
Did you get off your huntwa moderator meds? Lol. I can agree with some of what you said. I’m about as law abiding as they come when hunting. Sometimes I worry too much about things and I’ve missed opportunities at big game cause I just wasn’t sure if something was legal in the state I was hunting in.
However, I would 100% never turn in someone who shot a wolf. When the government isn’t listening to the people, eventually the people decide what is right, and what is wrong. Shoot a wolf in front of me, I’ll smile, give a nod, and continue on with my day.
So you’re saying you’re fine with laws being broken as long as someone else is doing the law breaking?
:chuckle:
You're funny.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 29, 2018, 05:36:55 PM
Is it possible that 20 "packs" can have only 10 "breeding pairs"?
As I understand wolf biology, a "pack" has an alpha male and an alpha female, and only those two are allowed to breed. Are there wolf packs that have non-breeding alphas?
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2018, 05:40:30 PM
I think all the wolf lovers on here, should rent a bus or 5 and come over and actually see what a wolf does. You may change your minds.
I'd really like to know how many have actually seen a wolf in the wild. I've asked this before and get some plausible answers, but don't believe all answers.
I've never seen one. Reallistically speaking, not many people can say they have. I had them howling around me in the LPO refuge a few years back but never saw them.
That's all I got.
How many have you seen in the wild?
Post by: Jake Dogfish on January 29, 2018, 06:10:16 PM
I think all the wolf lovers on here, should rent a bus or 5 and come over and actually see what a wolf does. You may change your minds.
I'd really like to know how many have actually seen a wolf in the wild. I've asked this before and get some plausible answers, but don't believe all answers.
I've never seen one. Reallistically speaking, not many people can say they have. I had them howling around me in the LPO refuge a few years back but never saw them.
That's all I got.
How many have you seen in the wild?
I’ve never seen a wolf lover either. ;)
I read about one in a book by Jack London once.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 29, 2018, 06:27:46 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 29, 2018, 07:15:16 PM
Post by: BUTTER on January 29, 2018, 07:49:51 PM
Post by: bearpaw on January 30, 2018, 11:08:29 AM
I don't usually jump in on wolf threads but I have an honest "biology" question concerning the original post:
Is it possible that 20 "packs" can have only 10 "breeding pairs"?
As I understand wolf biology, a "pack" has an alpha male and an alpha female, and only those two are allowed to breed. Are there wolf packs that have non-breeding alphas?
If you are referring to the terms as used in WA wolf management, the difference is that a pack consists of more than one wolf, a breeding pair is not considered a breeding pair until they have at least two offspring that survive until the end of the year.
(I haven't reviewed those terms in a while so I may be a wolf or two off, but I'm close)
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 30, 2018, 11:17:05 AM
I don't usually jump in on wolf threads but I have an honest "biology" question concerning the original post:
Is it possible that 20 "packs" can have only 10 "breeding pairs"?
As I understand wolf biology, a "pack" has an alpha male and an alpha female, and only those two are allowed to breed. Are there wolf packs that have non-breeding alphas?
Canine social pack structure by a reliable source.
http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/images/photos/coyote-killing-infographic.jpg?credit=web_id169097269
Post by: KFhunter on January 30, 2018, 11:44:04 AM
Post by: bearpaw on January 30, 2018, 11:45:43 AM
my version
:yeah: makes more sense
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 30, 2018, 11:48:08 AM
Post by: Eric M on January 30, 2018, 05:43:46 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on January 30, 2018, 06:35:22 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 01, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
I don't usually jump in on wolf threads but I have an honest "biology" question concerning the original post:
Is it possible that 20 "packs" can have only 10 "breeding pairs"?
As I understand wolf biology, a "pack" has an alpha male and an alpha female, and only those two are allowed to breed. Are there wolf packs that have non-breeding alphas?
Canine social pack structure by a reliable source.
http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/images/photos/coyote-killing-infographic.jpg?credit=web_id169097269
Looks legit to me... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: hunter399 on February 01, 2018, 01:59:29 PM
my version
Heres my version :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: wolfbait on February 01, 2018, 04:45:27 PM
Post by: wolfbait on February 01, 2018, 04:47:33 PM
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on February 21, 2018, 08:59:36 PM
So this is how they plan on recouping the wasted money for the "wolf lady"!! :o
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: That was a good one. :tup:
Post by: nwwanderer on February 22, 2018, 07:47:24 AM
Post by: jackmaster on February 22, 2018, 07:56:45 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on February 22, 2018, 08:57:28 AM
What makes me sick is the department of fish and game doesn't work this hard on deer and elk poaching cases :bash::yeah: a million times.
Post by: wolfbait on February 22, 2018, 10:40:48 AM
What makes me sick is the department of fish and game doesn't work this hard on deer and elk poaching cases :bash:
WA state doesn't have a department of fish and game anymore, when the "game department" started partnering up with USFWS and the likes of defenders of wildlife and CNW everything changed, we now have a ruined agency that needs an overhaul.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 22, 2018, 11:55:12 AM
Post by: wolfbait on February 22, 2018, 02:15:35 PM
How does one start with the overhaul?
Special-T is trying to come up with a plan, how do you get everyone on the same page? There are several user groups that will be hurt if hunting is eventually shut down, without hunters it is one less reason to keep roads, etc. open to the public. I think people besides hunters need to get on board with the change of WDF&wolves.
Hunting season produces much needed income for communities going into winter. Folks have begun to realize what the wolves, cougars etc. are doing to the deer, and many are becoming outspoken about it. How do does one get everyone involved?
Post by: Calvin Rayborn on March 07, 2018, 11:40:33 PM
So this is how they plan on recouping the wasted money for the "wolf lady"!! :o
:yeah: :chuckle: