Post by: X-Force on January 31, 2018, 04:07:01 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/371001-trump-epa-revives-obama-proposal-to-block-alaska-mine?quot; (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/371001-trump-epa-revives-obama-proposal-to-block-alaska-mine?quot;)
Post by: Stein on January 31, 2018, 04:20:49 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 31, 2018, 04:44:37 PM
Post by: jmscon on January 31, 2018, 05:02:37 PM
Post by: elkboy on January 31, 2018, 05:14:02 PM
I also hope this stays shut down.
Post by: CastleRocker on January 31, 2018, 05:34:50 PM
Several good friends of mine are commercial fishermen up there in Bristol Bay, and as you can imagine, they are not on board with having a large open-pit mine straddling the headwaters of two major sockeye-producing rivers...
I also hope this stays shut down.
EXACTLY my thoughts!!! I've still got some friends and relatives that fish.
Post by: lokidog on January 31, 2018, 06:49:02 PM
Just one example of why the EPA actually has a need to be around.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on January 31, 2018, 07:04:51 PM
Several good friends of mine are commercial fishermen up there in Bristol Bay, and as you can imagine, they are not on board with having a large open-pit mine straddling the headwaters of two major sockeye-producing rivers...
I also hope this stays shut down.
EXACTLY my thoughts!!! I've still got some friends and relatives that fish.
Good deal.
Post by: Duckslayer89 on January 31, 2018, 09:22:31 PM
Post by: nwmein199 on February 04, 2020, 07:09:08 AM
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-withdraws-outdated-preemptive-proposed-determination-restrict-use-pebble-deposit
Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on February 04, 2020, 08:13:24 AM
Post by: stlusn30-06 on February 04, 2020, 02:25:37 PM
EPA changed their minds and still a big push to put this mine in.
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-withdraws-outdated-preemptive-proposed-determination-restrict-use-pebble-deposit
Not very surprising. This administration has put industry and corporate interest over everything. Definitely when it comes to environmental and wildlife concerns, but pretty much everywhere else too.
Post by: Jingles on February 04, 2020, 02:51:50 PM
Post by: npaull on February 04, 2020, 03:17:05 PM
Post by: JBG on February 04, 2020, 04:19:23 PM
*censored*it. Stopping this mine was the one good thing I could think of that he'd done, and now they had to go and reverse it. This mine is, bar none, the worst industry project ever proposed. Contaminating one of the most productive and pristine watersheds in the world so a few billionaires can mine some more metal. Just unbelievable.
What are you talking about, he's built the WALL, brought back all the manufacturing jobs from China, coal is cool again, tax cuts that helped out the workin people and we are no longer involved in foreign wars. MAGA
Post by: nwmein199 on February 07, 2020, 09:11:17 AM
http://www.savebristolbay.org/
Post by: lokidog on February 12, 2020, 07:42:27 PM
Post by: stlusn30-06 on February 13, 2020, 03:23:59 PM
Email from sportsmen need to flood their system reminding him that many (most?) of us were his voter base. >:(
Unfortunately they already have. This particular issue has been hard fought for years. There is no illusion across the board where sportsmen stand. The reality and truth of the situation is, this administration could give a long term rats ass about sportsmen, wildlife, and/or habitat. Sure a bone was tossed with the LWCF renewal, but look at the rollbacks for the environment, public lands, clean water, habitat protection, and on and on. Literally approaching hundreds.
That said, it isn't a surprise. To be clear I will and have voted Republican for the right candidate, but the reality is the planks that make up their platform are not pro wildlife, and are therefore not pro hunter. They want to deregulate environmental protection, privatize/develop public lands, etc....in the name of industry and jobs. On one hand they pretend to be hunter's friends by being the "2A" party, and on the other they want to implement policies that will wreck habitat and limit hunting opportunity. I'm not saying what is right or wrong, and it leaves hunters in a tough spot. If you are for deregulation, transfer of public lands etc...good for you. But, those stances will and do have an impact on hunting. If you consider hunting to be behind a high fence and a for profit operation, then carry-on.
Post by: elkboy on February 13, 2020, 03:51:56 PM
Post by: OutHouse on February 13, 2020, 05:20:18 PM
Email from sportsmen need to flood their system reminding him that many (most?) of us were his voter base. >:(
Unfortunately they already have. This particular issue has been hard fought for years. There is no illusion across the board where sportsmen stand. The reality and truth of the situation is, this administration could give a long term rats ass about sportsmen, wildlife, and/or habitat. Sure a bone was tossed with the LWCF renewal, but look across the board at the rollbacks for the environment, public lands, clean water, habitat protection, and on and on. Literally approaching hundreds.
That said, it isn't a surprise. To be clear I will and have voted Republican for the right candidate, but the reality is across the board the planks that make up their platform are not pro wildlife. They want to deregulate environmental protection, privatize/develop public lands, etc....in the name of industry and jobs. On one hand they pretend to be hunter's friends by being the "2A" party, and on the other they want to implement policies that will wreck habitat and limit hunting opportunity. I'm not saying what is right or wrong. If you are for deregulation, transfer of public lands etc...good for you. But, those stances will and do have an impact on hunting. If you consider hunting to be behind a high fence and a for profit operation, then carry-on.
Hell yea, man. I agree completely. This coming from a once republican, once democrat and for a while now an independent who votes both ways.
Post by: lokidog on February 14, 2020, 10:02:45 AM
Email from sportsmen need to flood their system reminding him that many (most?) of us were his voter base. >:(
Unfortunately they already have. This particular issue has been hard fought for years. There is no illusion across the board where sportsmen stand. The reality and truth of the situation is, this administration could give a long term rats ass about sportsmen, wildlife, and/or habitat. Sure a bone was tossed with the LWCF renewal, but look across the board at the rollbacks for the environment, public lands, clean water, habitat protection, and on and on. Literally approaching hundreds.
That said, it isn't a surprise. To be clear I will and have voted Republican for the right candidate, but the reality is across the board the planks that make up their platform are not pro wildlife. They want to deregulate environmental protection, privatize/develop public lands, etc....in the name of industry and jobs. On one hand they pretend to be hunter's friends by being the "2A" party, and on the other they want to implement policies that will wreck habitat and limit hunting opportunity. I'm not saying what is right or wrong. If you are for deregulation, transfer of public lands etc...good for you. But, those stances will and do have an impact on hunting. If you consider hunting to be behind a high fence and a for profit operation, then carry-on.
Unfortunately this is true. All parties need to be pro environment which can include being pro business.
Post by: Cougartail on February 14, 2020, 10:47:06 AM
Post by: nwmein199 on February 17, 2020, 11:26:21 AM
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/US-Army-Corps-of-Engineers-completes-preliminary-EIS-for-proposed-Alaska-Pebble-Mine-project-567770511.html
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/taryn-kiekow-heimer/pebble-mine-army-corps-rushes-out-another-flawed-review
Post by: Skillet on February 17, 2020, 11:38:29 AM
I am reminded of BNSF's push to install a high-speed refueling station over the Rathdrum Prairie Aquifer, Spokane sole source of drinking water. It won't leak, they said. Trust us, they said. That place was leaking diesel into the aquifer before it even opened. :bash:
Post by: OutHouse on February 18, 2020, 12:00:02 PM
It keeps getting worse, corruption does no good for our environment. If this mine is put in, essentially a mine can be put anywhere in the US; scary.
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/US-Army-Corps-of-Engineers-completes-preliminary-EIS-for-proposed-Alaska-Pebble-Mine-project-567770511.html
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/taryn-kiekow-heimer/pebble-mine-army-corps-rushes-out-another-flawed-review
Agreed. There was talk of a copper mine to be started near the southern border of Chewuch Unit (218) that seemed to fizzle out but now I am worried that is going to happen. Open pit mine I think
Post by: nwmein199 on April 15, 2020, 11:45:31 AM
It keeps getting worse, corruption does no good for our environment. If this mine is put in, essentially a mine can be put anywhere in the US; scary.
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/US-Army-Corps-of-Engineers-completes-preliminary-EIS-for-proposed-Alaska-Pebble-Mine-project-567770511.html
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/taryn-kiekow-heimer/pebble-mine-army-corps-rushes-out-another-flawed-review
Agreed. There was talk of a copper mine to be started near the southern border of Chewuch Unit (218) that seemed to fizzle out but now I am worried that is going to happen. Open pit mine I think
The future of Bristol Bay and its fisheries are not looking good
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/joel-reynolds/pebble-mine-going-broke
https://www.adn.com/opinions/2020/04/12/rushing-pebble-mine-review-during-a-pandemic-is-reckless/
Post by: follow maggie on April 16, 2020, 10:19:36 PM
Post by: boatloader on April 17, 2020, 01:10:01 AM
With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Post by: ThurstonCokid on April 17, 2020, 07:43:59 AM
With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?I’m going to have to disagree with the Trump portion.. but i could see the Republican Party losing out as a whole.
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Post by: stlusn30-06 on April 17, 2020, 11:11:02 AM
It keeps getting worse, corruption does no good for our environment. If this mine is put in, essentially a mine can be put anywhere in the US; scary.
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/US-Army-Corps-of-Engineers-completes-preliminary-EIS-for-proposed-Alaska-Pebble-Mine-project-567770511.html
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/taryn-kiekow-heimer/pebble-mine-army-corps-rushes-out-another-flawed-review
Agreed. There was talk of a copper mine to be started near the southern border of Chewuch Unit (218) that seemed to fizzle out but now I am worried that is going to happen. Open pit mine I think
The future of Bristol Bay and its fisheries are not looking good
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/joel-reynolds/pebble-mine-going-broke
https://www.adn.com/opinions/2020/04/12/rushing-pebble-mine-review-during-a-pandemic-is-reckless/
No better time to move this forward then when no one is paying attention. If this push is successful it'll be a tragedy at best. These kinds of efforts with total disregard for environmental health, and against all public will are why the Repub party struggle to win my votes. I'm aligned in many ways to the values, in others we are so far apart it is not even close. Besides the incredible lobbying efforts behind this, I've never heard a coherent argument as to why this should move forward.
Post by: follow maggie on April 17, 2020, 01:21:59 PM
With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Right now, yes, because of the economy. If the economy turns around, then maybe not. Granted, we/ve never been where we are before, but when the economy is wrecked during the election year, the incumbent always loses. We'll all find out together. Personally, I don't care for either of them and think this election is another no-win for most of us.
Post by: nwmein199 on April 17, 2020, 02:18:08 PM
It keeps getting worse, corruption does no good for our environment. If this mine is put in, essentially a mine can be put anywhere in the US; scary.
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/US-Army-Corps-of-Engineers-completes-preliminary-EIS-for-proposed-Alaska-Pebble-Mine-project-567770511.html
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/taryn-kiekow-heimer/pebble-mine-army-corps-rushes-out-another-flawed-review
Agreed. There was talk of a copper mine to be started near the southern border of Chewuch Unit (218) that seemed to fizzle out but now I am worried that is going to happen. Open pit mine I think
The future of Bristol Bay and its fisheries are not looking good
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/joel-reynolds/pebble-mine-going-broke
https://www.adn.com/opinions/2020/04/12/rushing-pebble-mine-review-during-a-pandemic-is-reckless/
No better time to move this forward then when no one is paying attention. If this push is successful it'll be a tragedy at best. These kinds of efforts with total disregard for environmental health, and against all public will are why the Repub party struggle to win my votes. I'm aligned in many ways to the values, in others we are so far apart it is not even close. Besides the incredible lobbying efforts behind this, I've never heard a coherent argument as to why this should move forward.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Post by: stlusn30-06 on April 17, 2020, 03:03:59 PM
It keeps getting worse, corruption does no good for our environment. If this mine is put in, essentially a mine can be put anywhere in the US; scary.
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/US-Army-Corps-of-Engineers-completes-preliminary-EIS-for-proposed-Alaska-Pebble-Mine-project-567770511.html
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/taryn-kiekow-heimer/pebble-mine-army-corps-rushes-out-another-flawed-review
Agreed. There was talk of a copper mine to be started near the southern border of Chewuch Unit (218) that seemed to fizzle out but now I am worried that is going to happen. Open pit mine I think
The future of Bristol Bay and its fisheries are not looking good
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/joel-reynolds/pebble-mine-going-broke
https://www.adn.com/opinions/2020/04/12/rushing-pebble-mine-review-during-a-pandemic-is-reckless/
No better time to move this forward then when no one is paying attention. If this push is successful it'll be a tragedy at best. These kinds of efforts with total disregard for environmental health, and against all public will are why the Repub party struggle to win my votes. I'm aligned in many ways to the values, in others we are so far apart it is not even close. Besides the incredible lobbying efforts behind this, I've never heard a coherent argument as to why this should move forward.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yeah. Lobbyist $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. According to the studies, the calculated potential economic losses to the fishery, tourism, environment etc...far outweigh the value of the mine. That is what I meant by "coherent argument"
Post by: boatloader on April 18, 2020, 01:46:22 PM
With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Right now, yes, because of the economy. If the economy turns around, then maybe not. Granted, we/ve never been where we are before, but when the economy is wrecked during the election year, the incumbent always loses. We'll all find out together. Personally, I don't care for either of them and think this election is another no-win for most of us.
I don't know man... The look on his face when he's sniffing all them kids on live TV! It's just too weird! And then when the union worker guy asked him about guns and he lied right to his face and then threatened him and asked if he wanted to "go outside"? Every campaign stop he attempts, he has another unimaginable gaffe. And what about when he already had to drop out of the presidential race in 1988 because he was caught red handed and admitted to lying and plagiarism? What changed since 1988? I do know he has engaged in numerous illegal activities especially involving his son Hunter, who is an under qualified drug addict (remember when he left a crackpipe in his rental car in Arizona?) , sitting on the boards of multiple foreign corporations, most notably in the Ukraine and China. I'd say he's a worse candidate than Hillary. Quite possibly the worst candidate for any office in the history of this country.
Post by: follow maggie on April 18, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
Post by: stlusn30-06 on April 20, 2020, 09:48:30 AM
With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Right now, yes, because of the economy. If the economy turns around, then maybe not. Granted, we/ve never been where we are before, but when the economy is wrecked during the election year, the incumbent always loses. We'll all find out together. Personally, I don't care for either of them and think this election is another no-win for most of us.
I don't know man... The look on his face when he's sniffing all them kids on live TV! It's just too weird! And then when the union worker guy asked him about guns and he lied right to his face and then threatened him and asked if he wanted to "go outside"? Every campaign stop he attempts, he has another unimaginable gaffe. And what about when he already had to drop out of the presidential race in 1988 because he was caught red handed and admitted to lying and plagiarism? What changed since 1988? I do know he has engaged in numerous illegal activities especially involving his son Hunter, who is an under qualified drug addict (remember when he left a crackpipe in his rental car in Arizona?) , sitting on the boards of multiple foreign corporations, most notably in the Ukraine and China. I'd say he's a worse candidate than Hillary. Quite possibly the worst candidate for any office in the history of this country.
All of this stuff doesn't matter anymore. No matter what side you tend to vote. The last election, and the last 3.25 years has completely changed who can do what, and still be considered a viable candidate, and for the worse. In the lead up the the last election had you said some who said "you can grab em by p#$$%" and "I moved on her like a b&$ch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married." would get elected or be a viable candidate the world of laughed. Uncle Joe sniffing heads is weird as hell, but Trump moving on married women like a b#$tch is equally or more repulsive. The old rules are gone, and no one is paying attention to what is happening behind closed doors because of it. Hence, the actual topic of this thread making progress while all eyes are looking the other way.
Post by: boatloader on April 20, 2020, 10:19:03 AM
I can see how some could think that... Especially living on the west coast. It's quite a bit different sentiment between the coasts if you ask me. I think the only chance the Dems have is via voter fraud, which unfortunately is a very legitimate threat, further legitimized by the Dems staunch opposition to voter Id laws often based on the flimsiest of pretenses. Black people can't make it to the DMV? Gimme a break, that's the most racist thing I've ever heard! Just saying, if you've got dead relatives in a Democrat run state you might want to check if they voted posthumously, and how many times!With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Right now, yes, because of the economy. If the economy turns around, then maybe not. Granted, we/ve never been where we are before, but when the economy is wrecked during the election year, the incumbent always loses. We'll all find out together. Personally, I don't care for either of them and think this election is another no-win for most of us.
I don't know man... The look on his face when he's sniffing all them kids on live TV! It's just too weird! And then when the union worker guy asked him about guns and he lied right to his face and then threatened him and asked if he wanted to "go outside"? Every campaign stop he attempts, he has another unimaginable gaffe. And what about when he already had to drop out of the presidential race in 1988 because he was caught red handed and admitted to lying and plagiarism? What changed since 1988? I do know he has engaged in numerous illegal activities especially involving his son Hunter, who is an under qualified drug addict (remember when he left a crackpipe in his rental car in Arizona?) , sitting on the boards of multiple foreign corporations, most notably in the Ukraine and China. I'd say he's a worse candidate than Hillary. Quite possibly the worst candidate for any office in the history of this country.
All of this stuff doesn't matter anymore. No matter what side you tend to vote. The last election, and the last 3.25 years has completely changed who can do what, and still be considered a viable candidate, and for the worse. In the lead up the the last election had you said some who said "you can grab em by p#$$%" and "I moved on her like a b&$ch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married." would get elected or be a viable candidate the world of laughed. Uncle Joe sniffing heads is weird as hell, but Trump moving on married women like a b#$tch is equally or more repulsive. The old rules are gone, and no one is paying attention to what is happening behind closed doors because of it. Hence, the actual topic of this thread making progress while all eyes are looking the other way.
Post by: Sundance on April 20, 2020, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: stlusn30-06 on April 20, 2020, 12:55:17 PM
I can see how some could think that... Especially living on the west coast. It's quite a bit different sentiment between the coasts if you ask me. I think the only chance the Dems have is via voter fraud, which unfortunately is a very legitimate threat, further legitimized by the Dems staunch opposition to voter Id laws often based on the flimsiest of pretenses. Black people can't make it to the DMV? Gimme a break, that's the most racist thing I've ever heard! Just saying, if you've got dead relatives in a Democrat run state you might want to check if they voted posthumously, and how many times!With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Right now, yes, because of the economy. If the economy turns around, then maybe not. Granted, we/ve never been where we are before, but when the economy is wrecked during the election year, the incumbent always loses. We'll all find out together. Personally, I don't care for either of them and think this election is another no-win for most of us.
I don't know man... The look on his face when he's sniffing all them kids on live TV! It's just too weird! And then when the union worker guy asked him about guns and he lied right to his face and then threatened him and asked if he wanted to "go outside"? Every campaign stop he attempts, he has another unimaginable gaffe. And what about when he already had to drop out of the presidential race in 1988 because he was caught red handed and admitted to lying and plagiarism? What changed since 1988? I do know he has engaged in numerous illegal activities especially involving his son Hunter, who is an under qualified drug addict (remember when he left a crackpipe in his rental car in Arizona?) , sitting on the boards of multiple foreign corporations, most notably in the Ukraine and China. I'd say he's a worse candidate than Hillary. Quite possibly the worst candidate for any office in the history of this country.
All of this stuff doesn't matter anymore. No matter what side you tend to vote. The last election, and the last 3.25 years has completely changed who can do what, and still be considered a viable candidate, and for the worse. In the lead up the the last election had you said some who said "you can grab em by p#$$%" and "I moved on her like a b&$ch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married." would get elected or be a viable candidate the world of laughed. Uncle Joe sniffing heads is weird as hell, but Trump moving on married women like a b#$tch is equally or more repulsive. The old rules are gone, and no one is paying attention to what is happening behind closed doors because of it. Hence, the actual topic of this thread making progress while all eyes are looking the other way.
This isn't a matter of thinking anything, and doesn't have anything to do with living on the West Coast. I'm not even saying Trump won't win. Are you saying that people between the coasts think it not normal to sniff hair, but is normal (and therefore nothing has changed) to move on a married woman like a b$%ch? I actually think Trump wins this, and agree that Biden is a terrible candidate.
On the voter fraud thing, don't believe all the propaganda you've been getting fed. The Heritage Foundation, which is a major conservative think tank, has a fairly detailed database around voter fraud. It is found in every state, not just dem states. More importantly, they have documented a whopping 1,277 total cases in the U.S. That is an infinitesimally small percentage of the billions of votes cast over the years. I'm guessing you'll counter with "but ballot harvesting! We have to stop mail in balloting" since that is all the rage in the propaganda machine now. The only significant fraud case involving ballot harvesting was committed by a North Carolina GOP operative. I vote Republican when the candidate is right btw. I am just willing to acknowledge that both sides seed their base with a lot of disinformation. Voter fraud is one of them. What Dems are saying is that voter fraud isn't actually a problem (which is backed up by the conservatives own data as pointed out here), and that these laws will disenfranchise voters. Why are we making it harder to vote to solve for a problem that doesn't exist?
Post by: boatloader on April 20, 2020, 04:43:54 PM
Nah... My thoughts on voter fraud revolve around common sense, and understanding human nature. If there aren't safeguards in place to prevent abusing the system... people are going to abuse the system. Do you really think the honor system is the best way to go about electing officials? Every devolped western nation and most of the third world have a voter ID system. It's just common sense.I can see how some could think that... Especially living on the west coast. It's quite a bit different sentiment between the coasts if you ask me. I think the only chance the Dems have is via voter fraud, which unfortunately is a very legitimate threat, further legitimized by the Dems staunch opposition to voter Id laws often based on the flimsiest of pretenses. Black people can't make it to the DMV? Gimme a break, that's the most racist thing I've ever heard! Just saying, if you've got dead relatives in a Democrat run state you might want to check if they voted posthumously, and how many times!With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Right now, yes, because of the economy. If the economy turns around, then maybe not. Granted, we/ve never been where we are before, but when the economy is wrecked during the election year, the incumbent always loses. We'll all find out together. Personally, I don't care for either of them and think this election is another no-win for most of us.
I don't know man... The look on his face when he's sniffing all them kids on live TV! It's just too weird! And then when the union worker guy asked him about guns and he lied right to his face and then threatened him and asked if he wanted to "go outside"? Every campaign stop he attempts, he has another unimaginable gaffe. And what about when he already had to drop out of the presidential race in 1988 because he was caught red handed and admitted to lying and plagiarism? What changed since 1988? I do know he has engaged in numerous illegal activities especially involving his son Hunter, who is an under qualified drug addict (remember when he left a crackpipe in his rental car in Arizona?) , sitting on the boards of multiple foreign corporations, most notably in the Ukraine and China. I'd say he's a worse candidate than Hillary. Quite possibly the worst candidate for any office in the history of this country.
All of this stuff doesn't matter anymore. No matter what side you tend to vote. The last election, and the last 3.25 years has completely changed who can do what, and still be considered a viable candidate, and for the worse. In the lead up the the last election had you said some who said "you can grab em by p#$$%" and "I moved on her like a b&$ch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married." would get elected or be a viable candidate the world of laughed. Uncle Joe sniffing heads is weird as hell, but Trump moving on married women like a b#$tch is equally or more repulsive. The old rules are gone, and no one is paying attention to what is happening behind closed doors because of it. Hence, the actual topic of this thread making progress while all eyes are looking the other way.
This isn't a matter of thinking anything, and doesn't have anything to do with living on the West Coast. I'm not even saying Trump won't win. Are you saying that people between the coasts think it not normal to sniff hair, but is normal (and therefore nothing has changed) to move on a married woman like a b$%ch? I actually think Trump wins this, and agree that Biden is a terrible candidate.
On the voter fraud thing, don't believe all the propaganda you've been getting fed. The Heritage Foundation, which is a major conservative think tank, has a fairly detailed database around voter fraud. It is found in every state, not just dem states. More importantly, they have documented a whopping 1,277 total cases in the U.S. That is an infinitesimally small percentage of the billions of votes cast over the years. I'm guessing you'll counter with "but ballot harvesting! We have to stop mail in balloting" since that is all the rage in the propaganda machine now. The only significant fraud case involving ballot harvesting was committed by a North Carolina GOP operative. I vote Republican when the candidate is right btw. I am just willing to acknowledge that both sides seed their base with a lot of disinformation. Voter fraud is one of them. What Dems are saying is that voter fraud isn't actually a problem (which is backed up by the conservatives own data as pointed out here), and that these laws will disenfranchise voters. Why are we making it harder to vote to solve for a problem that doesn't exist?
Post by: stlusn30-06 on April 20, 2020, 04:58:32 PM
Nah... My thoughts on voter fraud revolve around common sense, and understanding human nature. If there aren't safeguards in place to prevent abusing the system... people are going to abuse the system. Do you really think the honor system is the best way to go about electing officials? Every devolped western nation and most of the third world have a voter ID system. It's just common sense.I can see how some could think that... Especially living on the west coast. It's quite a bit different sentiment between the coasts if you ask me. I think the only chance the Dems have is via voter fraud, which unfortunately is a very legitimate threat, further legitimized by the Dems staunch opposition to voter Id laws often based on the flimsiest of pretenses. Black people can't make it to the DMV? Gimme a break, that's the most racist thing I've ever heard! Just saying, if you've got dead relatives in a Democrat run state you might want to check if they voted posthumously, and how many times!With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Right now, yes, because of the economy. If the economy turns around, then maybe not. Granted, we/ve never been where we are before, but when the economy is wrecked during the election year, the incumbent always loses. We'll all find out together. Personally, I don't care for either of them and think this election is another no-win for most of us.
I don't know man... The look on his face when he's sniffing all them kids on live TV! It's just too weird! And then when the union worker guy asked him about guns and he lied right to his face and then threatened him and asked if he wanted to "go outside"? Every campaign stop he attempts, he has another unimaginable gaffe. And what about when he already had to drop out of the presidential race in 1988 because he was caught red handed and admitted to lying and plagiarism? What changed since 1988? I do know he has engaged in numerous illegal activities especially involving his son Hunter, who is an under qualified drug addict (remember when he left a crackpipe in his rental car in Arizona?) , sitting on the boards of multiple foreign corporations, most notably in the Ukraine and China. I'd say he's a worse candidate than Hillary. Quite possibly the worst candidate for any office in the history of this country.
All of this stuff doesn't matter anymore. No matter what side you tend to vote. The last election, and the last 3.25 years has completely changed who can do what, and still be considered a viable candidate, and for the worse. In the lead up the the last election had you said some who said "you can grab em by p#$$%" and "I moved on her like a b&$ch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married." would get elected or be a viable candidate the world of laughed. Uncle Joe sniffing heads is weird as hell, but Trump moving on married women like a b#$tch is equally or more repulsive. The old rules are gone, and no one is paying attention to what is happening behind closed doors because of it. Hence, the actual topic of this thread making progress while all eyes are looking the other way.
This isn't a matter of thinking anything, and doesn't have anything to do with living on the West Coast. I'm not even saying Trump won't win. Are you saying that people between the coasts think it not normal to sniff hair, but is normal (and therefore nothing has changed) to move on a married woman like a b$%ch? I actually think Trump wins this, and agree that Biden is a terrible candidate.
On the voter fraud thing, don't believe all the propaganda you've been getting fed. The Heritage Foundation, which is a major conservative think tank, has a fairly detailed database around voter fraud. It is found in every state, not just dem states. More importantly, they have documented a whopping 1,277 total cases in the U.S. That is an infinitesimally small percentage of the billions of votes cast over the years. I'm guessing you'll counter with "but ballot harvesting! We have to stop mail in balloting" since that is all the rage in the propaganda machine now. The only significant fraud case involving ballot harvesting was committed by a North Carolina GOP operative. I vote Republican when the candidate is right btw. I am just willing to acknowledge that both sides seed their base with a lot of disinformation. Voter fraud is one of them. What Dems are saying is that voter fraud isn't actually a problem (which is backed up by the conservatives own data as pointed out here), and that these laws will disenfranchise voters. Why are we making it harder to vote to solve for a problem that doesn't exist?
This is fun and all, but hate to have hijacked this thread. My apologies. Your common sense vs what the even the conservative think tank data says. No need to bother any further with that compelling statement.
Post by: nwmein199 on April 26, 2020, 06:00:57 AM
https://www.adn.com/business-economy/energy/2020/04/20/pebble-mine-opponents-lose-court-case-over-2014-epa-report/
Post by: nwmein199 on May 15, 2020, 07:14:33 AM
Post by: OutHouse on May 15, 2020, 09:48:49 AM
It keeps getting worse, corruption does no good for our environment. If this mine is put in, essentially a mine can be put anywhere in the US; scary.
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/US-Army-Corps-of-Engineers-completes-preliminary-EIS-for-proposed-Alaska-Pebble-Mine-project-567770511.html
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/taryn-kiekow-heimer/pebble-mine-army-corps-rushes-out-another-flawed-review
Agreed. There was talk of a copper mine to be started near the southern border of Chewuch Unit (218) that seemed to fizzle out but now I am worried that is going to happen. Open pit mine I think
The future of Bristol Bay and its fisheries are not looking good
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/joel-reynolds/pebble-mine-going-broke
https://www.adn.com/opinions/2020/04/12/rushing-pebble-mine-review-during-a-pandemic-is-reckless/
No better time to move this forward then when no one is paying attention. If this push is successful it'll be a tragedy at best. These kinds of efforts with total disregard for environmental health, and against all public will are why the Repub party struggle to win my votes. I'm aligned in many ways to the values, in others we are so far apart it is not even close. Besides the incredible lobbying efforts behind this, I've never heard a coherent argument as to why this should move forward.
You got my vote. Agree with this entirely.
Post by: OutHouse on May 15, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
Nah... My thoughts on voter fraud revolve around common sense, and understanding human nature. If there aren't safeguards in place to prevent abusing the system... people are going to abuse the system. Do you really think the honor system is the best way to go about electing officials? Every devolped western nation and most of the third world have a voter ID system. It's just common sense.I can see how some could think that... Especially living on the west coast. It's quite a bit different sentiment between the coasts if you ask me. I think the only chance the Dems have is via voter fraud, which unfortunately is a very legitimate threat, further legitimized by the Dems staunch opposition to voter Id laws often based on the flimsiest of pretenses. Black people can't make it to the DMV? Gimme a break, that's the most racist thing I've ever heard! Just saying, if you've got dead relatives in a Democrat run state you might want to check if they voted posthumously, and how many times!With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Right now, yes, because of the economy. If the economy turns around, then maybe not. Granted, we/ve never been where we are before, but when the economy is wrecked during the election year, the incumbent always loses. We'll all find out together. Personally, I don't care for either of them and think this election is another no-win for most of us.
I don't know man... The look on his face when he's sniffing all them kids on live TV! It's just too weird! And then when the union worker guy asked him about guns and he lied right to his face and then threatened him and asked if he wanted to "go outside"? Every campaign stop he attempts, he has another unimaginable gaffe. And what about when he already had to drop out of the presidential race in 1988 because he was caught red handed and admitted to lying and plagiarism? What changed since 1988? I do know he has engaged in numerous illegal activities especially involving his son Hunter, who is an under qualified drug addict (remember when he left a crackpipe in his rental car in Arizona?) , sitting on the boards of multiple foreign corporations, most notably in the Ukraine and China. I'd say he's a worse candidate than Hillary. Quite possibly the worst candidate for any office in the history of this country.
All of this stuff doesn't matter anymore. No matter what side you tend to vote. The last election, and the last 3.25 years has completely changed who can do what, and still be considered a viable candidate, and for the worse. In the lead up the the last election had you said some who said "you can grab em by p#$$%" and "I moved on her like a b&$ch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married." would get elected or be a viable candidate the world of laughed. Uncle Joe sniffing heads is weird as hell, but Trump moving on married women like a b#$tch is equally or more repulsive. The old rules are gone, and no one is paying attention to what is happening behind closed doors because of it. Hence, the actual topic of this thread making progress while all eyes are looking the other way.
This isn't a matter of thinking anything, and doesn't have anything to do with living on the West Coast. I'm not even saying Trump won't win. Are you saying that people between the coasts think it not normal to sniff hair, but is normal (and therefore nothing has changed) to move on a married woman like a b$%ch? I actually think Trump wins this, and agree that Biden is a terrible candidate.
On the voter fraud thing, don't believe all the propaganda you've been getting fed. The Heritage Foundation, which is a major conservative think tank, has a fairly detailed database around voter fraud. It is found in every state, not just dem states. More importantly, they have documented a whopping 1,277 total cases in the U.S. That is an infinitesimally small percentage of the billions of votes cast over the years. I'm guessing you'll counter with "but ballot harvesting! We have to stop mail in balloting" since that is all the rage in the propaganda machine now. The only significant fraud case involving ballot harvesting was committed by a North Carolina GOP operative. I vote Republican when the candidate is right btw. I am just willing to acknowledge that both sides seed their base with a lot of disinformation. Voter fraud is one of them. What Dems are saying is that voter fraud isn't actually a problem (which is backed up by the conservatives own data as pointed out here), and that these laws will disenfranchise voters. Why are we making it harder to vote to solve for a problem that doesn't exist?
Yea I'd have to look at those heritage foundation numbers again but my recollection is when you spread out the voter fraud cases over all the elections covered, the number was extremely small. It's a fun right wing talking point, however, they never seem to want to discuss the actual numbers (and the fact that those numbers also came from a conservative think tank).
Post by: Special T on May 15, 2020, 12:11:25 PM
Do you have any idea what the burden of proof for voter fraud is? It is nearly impossible to prove. So the numbers are skewed.Nah... My thoughts on voter fraud revolve around common sense, and understanding human nature. If there aren't safeguards in place to prevent abusing the system... people are going to abuse the system. Do you really think the honor system is the best way to go about electing officials? Every devolped western nation and most of the third world have a voter ID system. It's just common sense.I can see how some could think that... Especially living on the west coast. It's quite a bit different sentiment between the coasts if you ask me. I think the only chance the Dems have is via voter fraud, which unfortunately is a very legitimate threat, further legitimized by the Dems staunch opposition to voter Id laws often based on the flimsiest of pretenses. Black people can't make it to the DMV? Gimme a break, that's the most racist thing I've ever heard! Just saying, if you've got dead relatives in a Democrat run state you might want to check if they voted posthumously, and how many times!With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Right now, yes, because of the economy. If the economy turns around, then maybe not. Granted, we/ve never been where we are before, but when the economy is wrecked during the election year, the incumbent always loses. We'll all find out together. Personally, I don't care for either of them and think this election is another no-win for most of us.
I don't know man... The look on his face when he's sniffing all them kids on live TV! It's just too weird! And then when the union worker guy asked him about guns and he lied right to his face and then threatened him and asked if he wanted to "go outside"? Every campaign stop he attempts, he has another unimaginable gaffe. And what about when he already had to drop out of the presidential race in 1988 because he was caught red handed and admitted to lying and plagiarism? What changed since 1988? I do know he has engaged in numerous illegal activities especially involving his son Hunter, who is an under qualified drug addict (remember when he left a crackpipe in his rental car in Arizona?) , sitting on the boards of multiple foreign corporations, most notably in the Ukraine and China. I'd say he's a worse candidate than Hillary. Quite possibly the worst candidate for any office in the history of this country.
All of this stuff doesn't matter anymore. No matter what side you tend to vote. The last election, and the last 3.25 years has completely changed who can do what, and still be considered a viable candidate, and for the worse. In the lead up the the last election had you said some who said "you can grab em by p#$$%" and "I moved on her like a b&$ch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married." would get elected or be a viable candidate the world of laughed. Uncle Joe sniffing heads is weird as hell, but Trump moving on married women like a b#$tch is equally or more repulsive. The old rules are gone, and no one is paying attention to what is happening behind closed doors because of it. Hence, the actual topic of this thread making progress while all eyes are looking the other way.
This isn't a matter of thinking anything, and doesn't have anything to do with living on the West Coast. I'm not even saying Trump won't win. Are you saying that people between the coasts think it not normal to sniff hair, but is normal (and therefore nothing has changed) to move on a married woman like a b$%ch? I actually think Trump wins this, and agree that Biden is a terrible candidate.
On the voter fraud thing, don't believe all the propaganda you've been getting fed. The Heritage Foundation, which is a major conservative think tank, has a fairly detailed database around voter fraud. It is found in every state, not just dem states. More importantly, they have documented a whopping 1,277 total cases in the U.S. That is an infinitesimally small percentage of the billions of votes cast over the years. I'm guessing you'll counter with "but ballot harvesting! We have to stop mail in balloting" since that is all the rage in the propaganda machine now. The only significant fraud case involving ballot harvesting was committed by a North Carolina GOP operative. I vote Republican when the candidate is right btw. I am just willing to acknowledge that both sides seed their base with a lot of disinformation. Voter fraud is one of them. What Dems are saying is that voter fraud isn't actually a problem (which is backed up by the conservatives own data as pointed out here), and that these laws will disenfranchise voters. Why are we making it harder to vote to solve for a problem that doesn't exist?
Yea I'd have to look at those heritage foundation numbers again but my recollection is when you spread out the voter fraud cases over all the elections covered, the number was extremely small. It's a fun right wing talking point, however, they never seem to want to discuss the actual numbers (and the fact that those numbers also came from a conservative think tank).
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Post by: OutHouse on May 15, 2020, 02:10:40 PM
Do you have any idea what the burden of proof for voter fraud is? It is nearly impossible to prove. So the numbers are skewed.Nah... My thoughts on voter fraud revolve around common sense, and understanding human nature. If there aren't safeguards in place to prevent abusing the system... people are going to abuse the system. Do you really think the honor system is the best way to go about electing officials? Every devolped western nation and most of the third world have a voter ID system. It's just common sense.I can see how some could think that... Especially living on the west coast. It's quite a bit different sentiment between the coasts if you ask me. I think the only chance the Dems have is via voter fraud, which unfortunately is a very legitimate threat, further legitimized by the Dems staunch opposition to voter Id laws often based on the flimsiest of pretenses. Black people can't make it to the DMV? Gimme a break, that's the most racist thing I've ever heard! Just saying, if you've got dead relatives in a Democrat run state you might want to check if they voted posthumously, and how many times!With the virus and the economy in shambles, I don't see Trump being president come January, and I think the republicans are going to take a bath as a whole. If it goes that way, hopefully this will be put to death forever. If I recall correctly, it isn't even an American company, is it? Isn't this destroying one of our greatest treasures for the profit of a Canadian company?So you think Quid Pro Joe the kiddie sniffer is gonna win?
Right now, yes, because of the economy. If the economy turns around, then maybe not. Granted, we/ve never been where we are before, but when the economy is wrecked during the election year, the incumbent always loses. We'll all find out together. Personally, I don't care for either of them and think this election is another no-win for most of us.
I don't know man... The look on his face when he's sniffing all them kids on live TV! It's just too weird! And then when the union worker guy asked him about guns and he lied right to his face and then threatened him and asked if he wanted to "go outside"? Every campaign stop he attempts, he has another unimaginable gaffe. And what about when he already had to drop out of the presidential race in 1988 because he was caught red handed and admitted to lying and plagiarism? What changed since 1988? I do know he has engaged in numerous illegal activities especially involving his son Hunter, who is an under qualified drug addict (remember when he left a crackpipe in his rental car in Arizona?) , sitting on the boards of multiple foreign corporations, most notably in the Ukraine and China. I'd say he's a worse candidate than Hillary. Quite possibly the worst candidate for any office in the history of this country.
All of this stuff doesn't matter anymore. No matter what side you tend to vote. The last election, and the last 3.25 years has completely changed who can do what, and still be considered a viable candidate, and for the worse. In the lead up the the last election had you said some who said "you can grab em by p#$$%" and "I moved on her like a b&$ch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married." would get elected or be a viable candidate the world of laughed. Uncle Joe sniffing heads is weird as hell, but Trump moving on married women like a b#$tch is equally or more repulsive. The old rules are gone, and no one is paying attention to what is happening behind closed doors because of it. Hence, the actual topic of this thread making progress while all eyes are looking the other way.
This isn't a matter of thinking anything, and doesn't have anything to do with living on the West Coast. I'm not even saying Trump won't win. Are you saying that people between the coasts think it not normal to sniff hair, but is normal (and therefore nothing has changed) to move on a married woman like a b$%ch? I actually think Trump wins this, and agree that Biden is a terrible candidate.
On the voter fraud thing, don't believe all the propaganda you've been getting fed. The Heritage Foundation, which is a major conservative think tank, has a fairly detailed database around voter fraud. It is found in every state, not just dem states. More importantly, they have documented a whopping 1,277 total cases in the U.S. That is an infinitesimally small percentage of the billions of votes cast over the years. I'm guessing you'll counter with "but ballot harvesting! We have to stop mail in balloting" since that is all the rage in the propaganda machine now. The only significant fraud case involving ballot harvesting was committed by a North Carolina GOP operative. I vote Republican when the candidate is right btw. I am just willing to acknowledge that both sides seed their base with a lot of disinformation. Voter fraud is one of them. What Dems are saying is that voter fraud isn't actually a problem (which is backed up by the conservatives own data as pointed out here), and that these laws will disenfranchise voters. Why are we making it harder to vote to solve for a problem that doesn't exist?
Yea I'd have to look at those heritage foundation numbers again but my recollection is when you spread out the voter fraud cases over all the elections covered, the number was extremely small. It's a fun right wing talking point, however, they never seem to want to discuss the actual numbers (and the fact that those numbers also came from a conservative think tank).
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In criminal court it'd proof beyond a reasonable doubt. However, where is the evidence of voter fraud cases that were not proven? You'd think the conservative think tank would have raised those to say it is more rampant but unproven. I don't know if they dealt with that or not to be honest.
Post by: nwmein199 on May 26, 2020, 06:51:29 AM
Meateater podcast brought up good points recently about this mine. This salmon fishery is the largest salmon run in the world, we need to protect mother natures largest regenerating food supplies (maybe comes in handy during global pandemic when food supply is an issue).
If a mine if put here, then no where is off limits in the US...bad news!!
Post by: nwmein199 on May 28, 2020, 05:51:49 AM
Post by: nwmein199 on June 01, 2020, 06:27:42 AM
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2020/05/28/in-showdown-over-pebble-mine-epa-blinks/
“Today’s decision … gives us more reason to believe that there will be no veto,” Pebble CEO Tom Collier said in a written statement. “This is consistent with our observation that
(the Corps) and EPA, and the other cooperating agencies, have been working well together to resolve all outstanding issues.”
Post by: lokidog on June 01, 2020, 07:14:02 AM
Post by: OutHouse on June 01, 2020, 09:05:17 AM
Post by: nwmein199 on June 02, 2020, 06:04:56 AM
In 2014, the project was halted because an EPA study found that it would cause "complete loss of fish habitat due to elimination, dewatering, and fragmentation of streams, wetlands, and other aquatic resources" in some areas of Bristol Bay. The agency invoked a rarely used provision of the Clean Water Act that works like a veto, effectively banning mining on the site.
Pebble mining owners kept suing the EPA until they got their way and the EPA dropped the clean water act: https://www.juniorminingnetwork.com/junior-miner-news/press-releases/987-tsx/ndm/32327-northern-dynasty-minerals-pebble-partnership-reaches-settlement-with-us-environmental-protection-agency.html
On 7/30/2020 EPA formally withdraws determination from 2014 https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-withdraws-outdated-preemptive-proposed-determination-restrict-use-pebble-deposit
https://www.nationalfisherman.com/alaska/bait-and-switch-pebble-mine-plan-scales-up-with-no-public-input
Post by: nwmein199 on June 05, 2020, 05:40:36 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-to-waive-environmental-reviews-permitting-infrastructure-projects.amp
Post by: throwingsticks on June 05, 2020, 08:15:25 AM
:tup:
Just one example of why the EPA actually has a need to be around.
I agree, but given the current leadership and flip flopping I wouldn't rest easy the mine is dead...
Post by: elkboy on June 05, 2020, 08:48:08 AM
Post by: IFunk on June 05, 2020, 09:40:07 AM
Post by: nwmein199 on June 06, 2020, 06:30:32 AM
https://www.fieldandstream.com/story/fishing/battle-over-pebble-mine-hitting-a-major-turning-point/
Post by: nwmein199 on June 09, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
Post by: throwingsticks on June 09, 2020, 03:16:07 PM
I hope this doesn't go through. I'm sure it would be more devastating than damming the mighty Elwah. Doesn't help that the POTUS choice to head the EPA was a fossil fuel lobbyist.
Totally, I would never bet on Trump doing the right thing for the environment over completing industry interests.
Post by: lokidog on June 10, 2020, 10:37:15 AM
I hope this doesn't go through. I'm sure it would be more devastating than damming the mighty Elwah. Doesn't help that the POTUS choice to head the EPA was a fossil fuel lobbyist.
Totally, I would never bet on Trump doing the right thing for the environment over completing industry interests.
Unfortunately. This is my only complaint with this administration. :(
Post by: nwmein199 on June 24, 2020, 08:17:01 AM
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/joel-reynolds/morgan-stanley-dumps-pebble-mine-northern-dynasty
"Once the fourth largest institutional shareholder in Northern Dynasty, Morgan Stanley moved in this report to 57th on the list of all shareholders, reducing its position from 3,479,137 shares to just 29,749 shares."
"Similarly, questions about the financial viability of the project have gone unanswered despite repeated inquiries from Congress, Alaskans, the media, and others. Former Rio Tinto environment and permitting chief Richard Borden estimated, for example, based on his independent economic analysis, that the project as proposed would lose $3 billion and is almost certainly financially infeasible.
Northern Dynasty has adamantly refused to disclose any analysis of the scheme’s projected costs and revenue, presumably because a negative financial assessment would deter—not attract—new investors. And the cash-strapped 100 percent owner’s desperate hope—its “business plan—is that the issuance of a permit by the Army Corps will attract new investment, a new partner, or a buy-out, leaving the Pebble Mine’s future to some yet-to-be-determined company allegedly “waiting in the wings.” "
Post by: OutHouse on June 24, 2020, 03:51:57 PM
Post by: nwmein199 on July 01, 2020, 06:45:44 AM
"In 2014, the EPA ruled that a large-scale mine like Pebble would be “devastating” to the world’s biggest salmon run and to the region’s culture, and special protections were provided under the Clean Water Act.
The Trump administration removed the protections in 2019, saying the move “pre-empted the permitting process.” It also got a big push from Alaska Gov. Mike Dunleavy, who has made no secret about his support for Pebble. Alaska’s senators and representative supported Trump’s move.
But D.C. can now step aside. The state of Alaska will make the final decision on the mine.
The Pebble applicants do not own the surface rights associated with the mineral claims, and all the lands are owned by the state. Notably, the claim(s) lies within the 36,000 square-mile Bristol Bay Fisheries Reserve, created by voter initiative (70 percent) in 1972 as a way to safeguard salmon from large scale oil, gas and mining projects.
State law requires that the final say on permitting Pebble falls to the Alaska Legislature."
Alaska passed an initiative to specifically stop this...yet here we are.
Post by: nwmein199 on July 10, 2020, 06:16:41 AM
"The "Pebble deposit" lies within a 417-square-mile claim block and will include an open pit, a 550-foot high tailings dam to hold roughly 30 billion cubic feet of mining wastes forever, overburden stockpiles, quarry sites, water management ponds, milling and processing facilities, a 188-mile natural gas pipeline from the Kenai Peninsula to the site, a power plant, water treatment plants, camp and storage facilities, and an 83-mile road along Lake Iliamna to haul the gold and copper to Diamond Point in Cook Inlet for shipment. (Based on a new "northern route" plan that Pebble opted for a few weeks ago.)"
"In 2014, the Environmental Protection Agency ruled that a large-scale mine like Pebble would be "devastating" to the world's biggest salmon run and to the region's culture, and special protections were provided under the Clean Water Act.
The Trump Administration abruptly removed the protections in 2017, saying the move "pre-empted the permitting process." It also got a big push from Governor Mike Dunleavy who has made no secrets about his support for Pebble. Alaska's Senators and Congressman supported Trump's move.
But Washington, D.C., can now step aside. The state of Alaska will make the final decision on the mine.
The Pebble applicants do not own the surface rights associated with the mineral claims and all the lands are owned by the state.
Notably, the claim(s) lies within the 36,000 square-mile Bristol Bay Fisheries Reserve, created by voter initiative (70%) in 1972 as a way to safeguard salmon from large-scale oil, gas and mining projects.
State law requires that the final say on permitting Pebble falls to the Alaska legislature."
Post by: nwmein199 on July 17, 2020, 06:47:01 AM
This letter from Bristol Bay Native Corporation to Tom Collier (CEO of Pebble Mine) is a good read. https://www.nrdc.org/sites/default/files/bristol-bay-response-to-bbnc_plp-letters-jan-23-2019.pdf.
Details well the issues between the mine and everyone else that opposes the mine:
2. Failure to provide economic feasibility analysis
3. Disregard for objections to accelerated permit schedule
4. Failure to disclose personal financial interest
5. Pattern of false of misleading statements
6. Mischaracterization of EPA Review Requested by Bristol Bay Residents
7. Disregard of Broad Consensus that Pebble is the “Wrong Mine in the Wrong Place”
8. Inconsistency of Current and Future Mine Plans with Regional Concerns
9. Unacceptable Vision for the Future of Bristol Bay Region
Screw the american voters right? Alaska state law approved by voters in 1972 requires that the final say on permitting within the Bristol Bay Fisheries Reserve goes to the Alaska Legislature...except for this mine apparently
Post by: KFhunter on August 05, 2020, 03:17:46 PM
It's not a done deal, not by far.
Don Jr. earlier tweeted asking for President to block it.
Trump mentions he listens to his sons advice on these matters
2:07:38
Post by: wags on August 14, 2020, 10:07:21 PM
I have the convenience of going to the region to earn part of my living. However the vast majority of the people who live in the region are essentially welfare cases; not because they want to be, but because there are no real jobs in the region. A large mine in the area will provide real, high paying jobs for years to come.
Post by: nwmein199 on August 17, 2020, 08:11:54 AM
I'm a Bristol Bay commercial fisherman and I hope the mine is developed. I think it can be done in a way that is compatible with fish and wildlife.
I have the convenience of going to the region to earn part of my living. However the vast majority of the people who live in the region are essentially welfare cases; not because they want to be, but because there are no real jobs in the region. A large mine in the area will provide real, high paying jobs for years to come.
Please elaborate on how this mine can be compatible with fish and wildlife? Every study done for the past 10 years says the opposite of you.
Ruining the environment and the world largest salmon run for a couple bucks in not worth it; there have been laws to prevent this exact thing from happening. In 2014, the Environmental Protection Agency ruled that a large-scale mine like Pebble would be "devastating" to the world's biggest salmon run and to the region's culture, and special protections were provided under the Clean Water Act
Notably, the claim(s) lies within the 36,000 square-mile Bristol Bay Fisheries Reserve, created by voter initiative (70%) in 1972 as a way to safeguard salmon from large-scale oil, gas and mining projects. State law requires that the final say on permitting Pebble falls to the Alaska legislature.
But screw the 70% Alaskan voters who dont want this right?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 17, 2020, 09:24:17 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on August 17, 2020, 10:10:47 AM
I'm a Bristol Bay commercial fisherman and I hope the mine is developed. I think it can be done in a way that is compatible with fish and wildlife.
I have the convenience of going to the region to earn part of my living. However the vast majority of the people who live in the region are essentially welfare cases; not because they want to be, but because there are no real jobs in the region. A large mine in the area will provide real, high paying jobs for years to come.
You think it can, or it has been (theoretically) proven that it can? And what if it turns out that it can't? Too late...
Post by: HntnFsh on August 22, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/22/trump-set-to-block-alaska-pebble-mine-400206
Post by: KFhunter on August 22, 2020, 02:59:55 PM
I'm a Bristol Bay commercial fisherman and I hope the mine is developed. I think it can be done in a way that is compatible with fish and wildlife.
I have the convenience of going to the region to earn part of my living. However the vast majority of the people who live in the region are essentially welfare cases; not because they want to be, but because there are no real jobs in the region. A large mine in the area will provide real, high paying jobs for years to come.
Thanks for stepping up and having the courage to speak your opinion on it, we only ever hear one side!
Post by: nwmein199 on August 26, 2020, 09:29:59 AM
Weird...same determination from 2014...https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-withdraws-outdated-preemptive-proposed-determination-restrict-use-pebble-deposit
http://www.savebristolbay.org/bloghost/2020/8/24/army-corps-says-proposed-pebble-mine-project-cannot-be-permitted
https://www.army.mil/article/238426
"...would likely result in significant degradation of the environment and would likely result in significant adverse effects on the aquatic system or human environment. This finding is based on factual determinations, evaluations, and tests required by subparts (b) and (g), and after consideration of subparts (c) through (f) and (h) of the 404 (b)(1) guidelines. This record is laid out in the environmental impact statement published on July 24, 2020.
Therefore, the Corps finds that the project, as currently proposed, cannot be permitted under section 404 of the Clean Water Act."
Post by: lokidog on August 26, 2020, 10:35:35 PM
Post by: huntnfmly on August 27, 2020, 06:14:31 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 27, 2020, 08:36:37 AM
The guys I talked to that fished there were about 50/50 on building the mine. The part of their thinking that made them not 100% against was the Prince William Sound/Exxon Valdez oil spill. They or people they know got some kinds of settlements from Exxon after the spill. So, the reasoning was if the mine doesn't destroy salmon, then they can still fish and maybe get in on some other income opportunities in the region; and if it does fail, then they get a settlement and go do something else. They viewed either outcome as somewhat benefiting them.I'm a Bristol Bay commercial fisherman and I hope the mine is developed. I think it can be done in a way that is compatible with fish and wildlife.
I have the convenience of going to the region to earn part of my living. However the vast majority of the people who live in the region are essentially welfare cases; not because they want to be, but because there are no real jobs in the region. A large mine in the area will provide real, high paying jobs for years to come.
You think it can, or it has been (theoretically) proven that it can? And what if it turns out that it can't? Too late...
Post by: Platensek-po on August 27, 2020, 08:52:06 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on August 27, 2020, 09:33:21 AM
Post by: stlusn30-06 on August 27, 2020, 09:42:15 AM
The guys I talked to that fished there were about 50/50 on building the mine. The part of their thinking that made them not 100% against was the Prince William Sound/Exxon Valdez oil spill. They or people they know got some kinds of settlements from Exxon after the spill. So, the reasoning was if the mine doesn't destroy salmon, then they can still fish and maybe get in on some other income opportunities in the region; and if it does fail, then they get a settlement and go do something else. They viewed either outcome as somewhat benefiting them.I'm a Bristol Bay commercial fisherman and I hope the mine is developed. I think it can be done in a way that is compatible with fish and wildlife.
I have the convenience of going to the region to earn part of my living. However the vast majority of the people who live in the region are essentially welfare cases; not because they want to be, but because there are no real jobs in the region. A large mine in the area will provide real, high paying jobs for years to come.
You think it can, or it has been (theoretically) proven that it can? And what if it turns out that it can't? Too late...
This is borderline psychopathic rationale. "it might destroy a resource for all future generations, but I might get a 1 time settlement check if that worse case scenario plays out" while some corporation makes literal tons of of money. In all seriousness, if you heard these words, this is one of the sadder things I've read in a while. Willing to give up their own future for a settlement check. wtf
Post by: nwmein199 on August 31, 2020, 08:14:20 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/prakashdolsak/2020/08/29/national-parks-and-pebble-mine-reveal-the-influence-of-competitive-elections-and-conservative-celebrities/#10712f4f67bb
Post by: Camo on September 23, 2020, 03:50:57 PM
"In other news, investigative journalists, posing as investors in Pebble Mine, secretly video-taped executives at the Pebble Partnership and Northern Dynasty, as the mining executives revealed intentions and practices that contradict their public statements and their federal application for permitting."
I did find this: https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063714383
Basically flaunting their indirect leverage with the Whitehouse and selling a 20 year plan that is really 180 year plan with four mines, the way I read it.
Post by: OutHouse on September 24, 2020, 11:29:34 AM
The guys I talked to that fished there were about 50/50 on building the mine. The part of their thinking that made them not 100% against was the Prince William Sound/Exxon Valdez oil spill. They or people they know got some kinds of settlements from Exxon after the spill. So, the reasoning was if the mine doesn't destroy salmon, then they can still fish and maybe get in on some other income opportunities in the region; and if it does fail, then they get a settlement and go do something else. They viewed either outcome as somewhat benefiting them.I'm a Bristol Bay commercial fisherman and I hope the mine is developed. I think it can be done in a way that is compatible with fish and wildlife.
I have the convenience of going to the region to earn part of my living. However the vast majority of the people who live in the region are essentially welfare cases; not because they want to be, but because there are no real jobs in the region. A large mine in the area will provide real, high paying jobs for years to come.
You think it can, or it has been (theoretically) proven that it can? And what if it turns out that it can't? Too late...
Those fisherman are entitled to their own views on this, but their reasoning is abjectly weak, selfish, shortsighted, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Post by: Camo on September 24, 2020, 12:53:09 PM
Collier Out, Shively Back In As Pebble CEO to "Advance Through Regulatory Process"
One day after the release of video tapes showing him describe his close and politically beneficial relationships with elected leaders and regulatory officials in Alaska, Pebble Limited Partnership CEO Tom Collier offered his resignation to the board of Northern Dynasty Minerals, parent company of the Pebble Limited Partnership. Northern Dynasty’s CEO Ron Thiessen, who was also caught on video discussing those relationships and Pebble’s intentions to expand the mine once permitted, offered an apology to “all Alaskans.”
Meanwhile, in the wake of a dozen secret tapes released earlier this week showing Pebble CEO Tom Collier and Northern Dynasty’s CEO Ron Thiessen contradict public statements they’ve made to media, stakeholders, and in federal permit applications, stakeholders are calling for an immediate halt to the federal permitting process.
Post by: full choke on September 24, 2020, 01:35:50 PM
Update since yesterday....
Collier Out, Shively Back In As Pebble CEO to "Advance Through Regulatory Process"
One day after the release of video tapes showing him describe his close and politically beneficial relationships with elected leaders and regulatory officials in Alaska, Pebble Limited Partnership CEO Tom Collier offered his resignation to the board of Northern Dynasty Minerals, parent company of the Pebble Limited Partnership. Northern Dynasty’s CEO Ron Thiessen, who was also caught on video discussing those relationships and Pebble’s intentions to expand the mine once permitted, offered an apology to “all Alaskans.”
Meanwhile, in the wake of a dozen secret tapes released earlier this week showing Pebble CEO Tom Collier and Northern Dynasty’s CEO Ron Thiessen contradict public statements they’ve made to media, stakeholders, and in federal permit applications, stakeholders are calling for an immediate halt to the federal permitting process.
Those tapes are awesome!
It is like a b-movie where the bad guy lays out his whole plan prior to ending it for the good guy. :chuckle:
You can't make this stuff up!!
Post by: Jake Dogfish on September 24, 2020, 01:52:23 PM
Yes shortsighted because at the rate we are destroying the environment all of the fish will be gone soon anyway.The guys I talked to that fished there were about 50/50 on building the mine. The part of their thinking that made them not 100% against was the Prince William Sound/Exxon Valdez oil spill. They or people they know got some kinds of settlements from Exxon after the spill. So, the reasoning was if the mine doesn't destroy salmon, then they can still fish and maybe get in on some other income opportunities in the region; and if it does fail, then they get a settlement and go do something else. They viewed either outcome as somewhat benefiting them.I'm a Bristol Bay commercial fisherman and I hope the mine is developed. I think it can be done in a way that is compatible with fish and wildlife.
I have the convenience of going to the region to earn part of my living. However the vast majority of the people who live in the region are essentially welfare cases; not because they want to be, but because there are no real jobs in the region. A large mine in the area will provide real, high paying jobs for years to come.
You think it can, or it has been (theoretically) proven that it can? And what if it turns out that it can't? Too late...
Those fisherman are entitled to their own views on this, but their reasoning is abjectly weak, selfish, shortsighted, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Post by: Bullkllr on September 24, 2020, 02:10:27 PM
That and if they were really concerned about locals having good-paying jobs they could donate their gillnet permits.Yes shortsighted because at the rate we are destroying the environment all of the fish will be gone soon anyway.The guys I talked to that fished there were about 50/50 on building the mine. The part of their thinking that made them not 100% against was the Prince William Sound/Exxon Valdez oil spill. They or people they know got some kinds of settlements from Exxon after the spill. So, the reasoning was if the mine doesn't destroy salmon, then they can still fish and maybe get in on some other income opportunities in the region; and if it does fail, then they get a settlement and go do something else. They viewed either outcome as somewhat benefiting them.I'm a Bristol Bay commercial fisherman and I hope the mine is developed. I think it can be done in a way that is compatible with fish and wildlife.
I have the convenience of going to the region to earn part of my living. However the vast majority of the people who live in the region are essentially welfare cases; not because they want to be, but because there are no real jobs in the region. A large mine in the area will provide real, high paying jobs for years to come.
You think it can, or it has been (theoretically) proven that it can? And what if it turns out that it can't? Too late...
Those fisherman are entitled to their own views on this, but their reasoning is abjectly weak, selfish, shortsighted, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Post by: kyle dillehay on September 27, 2020, 11:39:54 PM
Post by: Onewhohikes on September 28, 2020, 05:57:55 AM
Post by: nwmein199 on October 09, 2020, 08:16:34 AM
The Pebble Limited Partnership have been selling it as the worlds largest open mine pit that will only be open for 20 years...reality is 100+ years to actually make a profit. All of this for some gold so people can keep buying crappy jewlery at Wal-mart.
https://www.themeateater.com/listen/meateater/ep-241-a-half-life-of-never
Post by: nwmein199 on November 04, 2020, 07:33:19 AM
Going to make Alaskans rich they private mining company from Canada said several times...oh wait..that was a lie? Who could of guessed that
"The new batch of recordings also reveal that Thiessen expected the State of Alaska and other Alaska entities to pay $1.5 billion to fund most of the project infrastructure."
Post by: nwmein199 on November 19, 2020, 11:47:22 AM
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/11/16/pebble-mine-submits-final-report-setting-stage-for-trump-administration-decision-on-permit/
https://www.miningnewsnorth.com/story/2020/11/20/news/pebble-submits-final-piece-for-fed-permit/6540.html
Post by: lokidog on November 19, 2020, 07:59:05 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on November 26, 2020, 05:37:57 PM
"The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has “determined that the applicant’s plan for the discharge of fill material does not comply with Clean Water Act guidelines and concluded that the proposed project is contrary to the public interest,” said Col. Damon Delarosa, the Corps’ Alaska district commander."
Post by: elkboy on November 26, 2020, 06:45:46 PM
Post by: lokidog on November 27, 2020, 07:39:38 PM
Now that is something to be thankful for! I don't doubt, however, that they won't try again down the road... but this is good news for the present.
:tup:
Post by: nwmein199 on November 28, 2020, 07:18:44 AM
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/11/25/trump-administration-denies-permit-for-pebble-mine/ (https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/11/25/trump-administration-denies-permit-for-pebble-mine/)
"The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has “determined that the applicant’s plan for the discharge of fill material does not comply with Clean Water Act guidelines and concluded that the proposed project is contrary to the public interest,” said Col. Damon Delarosa, the Corps’ Alaska district commander."
Good news!
Dont forget tho...this permit was denied by the Obama administration in 2014. Then under the Trump administration in 2019, the EPA withdrew there 2014 determination which denied Pebble the permit and allowed Pebble Mining to continue with the permitting process. Now we are back to the original 2014 EPA determination that the mine will not meet requirements for the Clean Water Act.
Post by: nwmein199 on December 16, 2020, 12:44:01 PM
"When the Army Corps announced in August that Pebble needed to submit a new plan to mitigate the impacts to wetlands, the lawsuit points out the shares dropped by almost 38%, and when it denied Pebble a federal permit at the end of November, Northern Dynasty stocks dropped almost 50%, to 40 cents a share. As of Friday, they were at 34 cents a share.
The next annual Northern Dynasty shareholder meeting is on Dec. 17 in Vancouver."
Post by: KFhunter on December 16, 2020, 12:46:13 PM
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/11/25/trump-administration-denies-permit-for-pebble-mine/ (https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/11/25/trump-administration-denies-permit-for-pebble-mine/)
"The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has “determined that the applicant’s plan for the discharge of fill material does not comply with Clean Water Act guidelines and concluded that the proposed project is contrary to the public interest,” said Col. Damon Delarosa, the Corps’ Alaska district commander."
Good news!
Dont forget tho...this permit was denied by the Obama administration in 2014. Then under the Trump administration in 2019, the EPA withdrew there 2014 determination which denied Pebble the permit and allowed Pebble Mining to continue with the permitting process. Now we are back to the original 2014 EPA determination that the mine will not meet requirements for the Clean Water Act.
And all this freak out...in the end the process worked.
You should thank Trump's EPA for giving this a good scientific look over and ending it once and for all. Obama said no just out of hand, Trump's EPA did what Obama should have done in the first place.
Thank you Trump :tup:
Post by: Platensek-po on December 16, 2020, 12:59:13 PM
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/11/25/trump-administration-denies-permit-for-pebble-mine/ (https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/11/25/trump-administration-denies-permit-for-pebble-mine/)
"The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has “determined that the applicant’s plan for the discharge of fill material does not comply with Clean Water Act guidelines and concluded that the proposed project is contrary to the public interest,” said Col. Damon Delarosa, the Corps’ Alaska district commander."
Good news!
Dont forget tho...this permit was denied by the Obama administration in 2014. Then under the Trump administration in 2019, the EPA withdrew there 2014 determination which denied Pebble the permit and allowed Pebble Mining to continue with the permitting process. Now we are back to the original 2014 EPA determination that the mine will not meet requirements for the Clean Water Act.
And all this freak out...in the end the process worked.
You should thank Trump's EPA for giving this a good scientific look over and ending it once and for all. Obama said no just out of hand, Trump's EPA did what Obama should have done in the first place.
Thank you Trump :tup:
I’m sorry but that’s not what happened at all. Obama’s EPA reviewed the application and denied it because it was not viable under the clean water act. Trump said he was against it and then had dinner with the governor of Alaska and magically changed his mind. He then tried his best to push it through the permitting process only to have the same findings as Obama admin. So yeah, thanks Trump for wasting time and money on a project that should have been rejected out of hand but buddy buddy politics brought it back. Shame on him for even considering it.
Post by: KFhunter on December 16, 2020, 01:31:36 PM
He did, and although the zombama study was a farce, it had a great impact on public opinion, even Trump supporters were against it. So the new study was too close on the margins, the political capital too costly so it was scrapped.
I don't think the true viability has ever had a fair accessment.
Not that I'm for it, but I don't buy into the drama.
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Post by: full choke on December 16, 2020, 01:39:31 PM
That's not what happened either, the Alaska governor was dissatisfied with zombama dismissing it out of hand with a farce of an "impact study" and petitioned Trump to re-visit it.
He did, and although the zombama study was a farce, it had a great impact on public opinion, even Trump supporters were against it. So the new study was too close on the margins, the political capital too costly so it was scrapped.
I don't think the true viability has ever had a fair accessment.
Not that I'm for it, but I don't buy into the drama.
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There really isn't any TRUE viability of the project.
There is money to be made (by a foreign company) and an extremely high likelihood of irreparable damage to a fragile yet lucrative salmon fishery.
Not to mention a caustic eyesore to a beautiful remote wilderness.
Post by: KFhunter on December 16, 2020, 01:47:58 PM
I still think it needed to be looked at scientifically, the costs and risks weighed, and rejected properly.
Yes a foreign company would have made a lot of money, but it would have brought a lot of jobs to the area as well. There were upsides.
Now it has be properly rejected.
Post by: Mark Brenckle on December 16, 2020, 05:58:38 PM
Post by: nwmein199 on December 16, 2020, 06:16:32 PM
What happens when a Chinese company buys the mineral rights and Beijing-Biden and his family stand to make a profit?
Not looking like anyone really wants to mess with this mine...all these investors pulled out prior to EPA denying permits.
https://www.nrdc.org/experts/joel-reynolds/morgan-stanley-dumps-pebble-mine-northern-dynasty
In 2011, Mitsubishi Corporation sold out.
In 2013, Anglo American abandoned its partnership, walking away from an investment of almost $600,000,000.
In 2014, Rio Tinto donated its shares to two Alaskan non-profits.
In 2018, First Quantum Minerals walked away from an investment five months earlier of $37.5 million and terminated negotiations for a 50 percent partnership.
In 2018, BlackRock zeroed out its shareholdings in Northern Dynasty.
For over a decade, Tiffany & Co., leading a group of some 60 major jewelers, condemned the project because there are some places that simply should not be mined, and Bristol Bay is one such place.
Since February 2011, Northern Dynasty’s share value has dropped over 94 percent in value. In 2017, based on a thorough financial analysis of the company, New York investment firm Kerrisdale Capital Management called Northern Dynasty “worthless,” observing that even President Trump “can’t make a success out of a value-destroying boondoggle.” The Pebble Mine, it said, is “doomed,” “politically-impaired” and “commercially futile.”
Post by: nwmein199 on February 10, 2023, 10:44:03 AM
A proposed mine project in Alaska may have been dealt its final blow. Last week, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) effectively vetoed the project, citing its potential harm to salmon fisheries in the state’s Bristol Bay watershed.
Post by: Platensek-po on February 10, 2023, 11:47:11 AM
Post by: Jake Dogfish on February 10, 2023, 01:31:04 PM