Post by: N7XW on February 07, 2018, 02:20:39 PM
Leaning toward the 300 due to larger diameter bullets. Any suggestions or advice one way or the other? Will be shooting factory ammo but will eventually handload. Thanks :tup:
Post by: Woodchuck on February 07, 2018, 02:27:38 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on February 07, 2018, 02:28:45 PM
Recoil can be an issuse depening on the individual rifle, but all things equal, the .300 may be a little more stout.
Both will do the job if the shooter does his part and ammo is pretty easy to come by just about anywhere.
That being said, I tend to like the .30 caliber a little more than the 7mm, but would not feel handicapped with either.
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2018, 02:30:46 PM
Post by: N7XW on February 07, 2018, 02:34:46 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 07, 2018, 02:48:29 PM
What's the downside to a belted magnum? Or disadvantages vs. a short magnum?
I think I've heard the only difference comes from a reloading standpoint. Someone will say for sure.
I can say that the size of the hole the bullets will make is a non-factor. I killed my goat this year with my .300, the entry hole was a solid inch across. The difference between a .280 and a .308 caliber bullet is non-existent.
Post by: N7XW on February 07, 2018, 02:53:03 PM
I can say that the size of the hole the bullets will make is a non-factor. I killed my goat this year with my .300, the entry hole was a solid inch across. The difference between a .280 and a .308 caliber bullet is non-existent.
Good point. Thanks.
Post by: Woodchuck on February 07, 2018, 03:00:20 PM
But the neighbor guy that owned that goat was NOT impressed. :yike:I can say that the size of the hole the bullets will make is a non-factor. I killed my goat this year with my .300, the entry hole was a solid inch across. The difference between a .280 and a .308 caliber bullet is non-existent.
Good point. Thanks.
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Post by: kselkhunter on February 07, 2018, 03:02:29 PM
Both will kill elk just fine.
Post by: N7XW on February 07, 2018, 03:03:13 PM
I almost spit water all over my keyboard :chuckle: :tup: :chuckle:But the neighbor guy that owned that goat was NOT impressed. :yike:I can say that the size of the hole the bullets will make is a non-factor. I killed my goat this year with my .300, the entry hole was a solid inch across. The difference between a .280 and a .308 caliber bullet is non-existent.
Good point. Thanks.
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Post by: bullfisher on February 07, 2018, 03:27:47 PM
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Post by: jasnt on February 07, 2018, 04:01:14 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 07, 2018, 04:07:27 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 07, 2018, 04:12:27 PM
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Post by: N7XW on February 07, 2018, 04:15:44 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 07, 2018, 04:33:38 PM
What's the downside to a belted magnum? Or disadvantages vs. a short magnum?Only answer I Can come to about why the belted are bad is because either people read it online somewhere or they don’t know how to set up their dies for reloading.
It is really a nonissue.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 07, 2018, 04:40:18 PM
Post by: N7XW on February 07, 2018, 04:44:12 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 07, 2018, 04:49:44 PM
The 7 RM lacks nothing but I wouldn’t ever choose it over the 300 WM, especially for banging them out there a long way
Post by: N7XW on February 07, 2018, 04:52:34 PM
Post by: b23 on February 07, 2018, 04:55:32 PM
What's the downside to a belted magnum? Or disadvantages vs. a short magnum?Only answer I Can come to about why the belted are bad is because either people read it online somewhere or they don’t know how to set up their dies for reloading.
It is really a nonissue.
The problem with belted cases is there is no good way to resize them once they've swelled just above the belt. Also, as BULLBLASTER alluded to, setting up your dies properly so they don't push the shoulder back, until needed, is important if you want the best accuracy. For best accuracy you want the case to headspace off the shoulder, not the belt.
Post by: N7XW on February 07, 2018, 04:57:06 PM
What's the downside to a belted magnum? Or disadvantages vs. a short magnum?Only answer I Can come to about why the belted are bad is because either people read it online somewhere or they don’t know how to set up their dies for reloading.
It is really a nonissue.
The problem with belted cases is there is no good way to resize them once they've swelled just above the belt. Also, as BULLBLASTER alluded to, setting up your dies properly so they don't push the shoulder back, until needed, is important if you want the best accuracy. For best accuracy you want the case to headspace off the shoulder, not the belt.
Makes me wonder how factory ammo headspaces?
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2018, 05:04:37 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 07, 2018, 05:05:37 PM
What's the downside to a belted magnum? Or disadvantages vs. a short magnum?Only answer I Can come to about why the belted are bad is because either people read it online somewhere or they don’t know how to set up their dies for reloading.
It is really a nonissue.
The problem with belted cases is there is no good way to resize them once they've swelled just above the belt. Also, as BULLBLASTER alluded to, setting up your dies properly so they don't push the shoulder back, until needed, is important if you want the best accuracy. For best accuracy you want the case to headspace off the shoulder, not the belt.
Look into a collett die.
Post by: superdown on February 07, 2018, 05:15:18 PM
Thinking about getting a 300 wm in Savage® Arms Model 10T-SR Tactical Bolt-Action Rifle with Threaded Barrel. The Cabelas sale starts tomorrow and is $100 off. SWFA has the SS 3-15 on sale for $200 off also. Always searching for what I want in a good deal :chuckle:I bought this rifle in 300WM during Christmas time when Cabelas had it on sale for $550 and Savage had the $100 rebate.I haven't shot the rifle no scope yet but i like it already.I picked up a couple of boxes of Hornady200grn eld match mv 2930 fps. IDK if you've held one yet but it's got some weight to it.
Post by: N7XW on February 07, 2018, 05:21:51 PM
Thinking about getting a 300 wm in Savage® Arms Model 10T-SR Tactical Bolt-Action Rifle with Threaded Barrel. The Cabelas sale starts tomorrow and is $100 off. SWFA has the SS 3-15 on sale for $200 off also. Always searching for what I want in a good deal :chuckle:I bought this rifle in 300WM during Christmas time when Cabelas had it on sale for $550 and Savage had the $100 rebate.I haven't shot the rifle no scope yet but i like it already.I picked up a couple of boxes of Hornady200grn eld match mv 2930 fps. IDK if you've held one yet but it's got some weight to it.
:tup: Haven't held one but they do look hefty.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 07, 2018, 05:28:39 PM
I’ve never had any issues with that. I have 7 mag cases with 9 ejector imprints on the case head. Yes I know they were on the verge of if not completely over pressure but that’s where my gun shot that combo well. Minimal shoulder movement when sizing and not mixing brass between guns and imo there is zero issue.What's the downside to a belted magnum? Or disadvantages vs. a short magnum?Only answer I Can come to about why the belted are bad is because either people read it online somewhere or they don’t know how to set up their dies for reloading.
It is really a nonissue.
The problem with belted cases is there is no good way to resize them once they've swelled just above the belt. Also, as BULLBLASTER alluded to, setting up your dies properly so they don't push the shoulder back, until needed, is important if you want the best accuracy. For best accuracy you want the case to headspace off the shoulder, not the belt.
I finally retired that brass before I got my annealing marching because the necks work hardened enough that they would no longer size down and hold a bullet.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 07, 2018, 05:30:25 PM
Off the beltWhat's the downside to a belted magnum? Or disadvantages vs. a short magnum?Only answer I Can come to about why the belted are bad is because either people read it online somewhere or they don’t know how to set up their dies for reloading.
It is really a nonissue.
The problem with belted cases is there is no good way to resize them once they've swelled just above the belt. Also, as BULLBLASTER alluded to, setting up your dies properly so they don't push the shoulder back, until needed, is important if you want the best accuracy. For best accuracy you want the case to headspace off the shoulder, not the belt.
Makes me wonder how factory ammo headspaces?
Post by: Igor on February 07, 2018, 05:34:31 PM
Post by: Bofire on February 07, 2018, 06:44:20 PM
300 wm kicks ass. does not just kill them knocks them over. that is my personal experience.
Carl
Post by: Matth on February 08, 2018, 10:48:17 AM
Post by: Matth on February 08, 2018, 10:50:48 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 08, 2018, 10:54:25 AM
Really just depends on how big of bullet you want to shoot.
The 375H&H is a ton of fun for elk too. :chuckle:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 08, 2018, 11:31:53 AM
Post by: Buzz2401 on February 08, 2018, 12:04:02 PM
My 300 win mag shoots 215 bergers at 3000+ and my 7 mag is shooting 162 eld x at 3050 or so. I know either would do what I ask of them on elk at most reasonable ranges. But for me that 215 grain Berger has been like magic! :chuckle: my 300 has a brake and my 7 kicks like a mule so that leans me toward the 300 also.
Really just depends on how big of bullet you want to shoot.
The 375H&H is a ton of fun for elk too. :chuckle:
What length barrel are you using and what load. I have never hit 3000+ with a 200gr. let alone a 215gr. I am averaging around 2950 with 72gr of rl22 for a 200gr
Post by: BULLBLASTER on February 08, 2018, 12:23:38 PM
My 300 has a 28.5 inch barrel. I am way up there at 79.5 grains h1000 to get 3030 fps(Please don’t try that load in your rifle as I am a good bit above where I expected to be) but it is safe and not in excess pressure in my rifle.My 300 win mag shoots 215 bergers at 3000+ and my 7 mag is shooting 162 eld x at 3050 or so. I know either would do what I ask of them on elk at most reasonable ranges. But for me that 215 grain Berger has been like magic! :chuckle: my 300 has a brake and my 7 kicks like a mule so that leans me toward the 300 also.
Really just depends on how big of bullet you want to shoot.
The 375H&H is a ton of fun for elk too. :chuckle:
What length barrel are you using and what load. I have never hit 3000+ with a 200gr. let alone a 215gr. I am averaging around 2950 with 72gr of rl22 for a 200gr
Post by: jkthomps on February 08, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
If I decide I need larger than 180gr bullets, I take my 300rum out with with 210 Noslers. :)
I have friends that swear by the 7mm, and this is just my opinion. Go 300wm :)
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Post by: h2ofowlr on February 08, 2018, 01:24:25 PM
I have two .7mm and two .300 win mags. Both great guns.
Post by: N7XW on February 08, 2018, 01:25:37 PM
Where's the love for the .338 win mag? :dunno:I think the 338 would be a little much in the recoil dept for me.
I have two .7mm and two .300 win mags. Both great guns.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 08, 2018, 08:24:25 PM
Identical rifles my 338 with 225’s kicks less than 300 with 180’s/ 200’sWhere's the love for the .338 win mag? :dunno:I think the 338 would be a little much in the recoil dept for me.
I have two .7mm and two .300 win mags. Both great guns.
Post by: Humptulips on February 08, 2018, 08:40:50 PM
My friend has a 300wm, a 338wm and a 280. He ends up using the 280 most. Personally I think it is a little less then I would be comfortable with for elk but it seems to do the job.
Talk ballistics till the cows come home but make your choice on what you are comfortable packing and shooting because the rounds you mentioned are both good.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 08, 2018, 10:58:18 PM
Post by: N7XW on February 08, 2018, 11:49:42 PM
Post by: Woodchuck on February 09, 2018, 06:39:15 AM
I have experienced the exact same thing.Identical rifles my 338 with 225’s kicks less than 300 with 180’s/ 200’sWhere's the love for the .338 win mag? :dunno:I think the 338 would be a little much in the recoil dept for me.
I have two .7mm and two .300 win mags. Both great guns.
Post by: Tbar on February 09, 2018, 06:42:13 AM
All the rounds mentioned will kill elk. Weight though is worth talking about. I have a 7mm rem mag and a 300wsm. Both are great but I love the 300wsm because it weighs less and when you are packing it around you appreciate that.:yeah:
My friend has a 300wm, a 338wm and a 280. He ends up using the 280 most. Personally I think it is a little less then I would be comfortable with for elk but it seems to do the job.
Talk ballistics till the cows come home but make your choice on what you are comfortable packing and shooting because the rounds you mentioned are both good.
I have taken elk with a variety of calibers. My favorite for devastating kills (and trauma to the meat) is a 300 wby. I do not like shooting it though. A 308 kills them just as dead and has almost no recoil (good pad). The rifle you shoot the best is your best choice. 3006 is a killing machine with a huge variety of weights. All very effective out to 300yds, beyond that magnums shine. To your original question, my choice is the 7mm (with a brake), but that's because it's what I shoot/ trust.
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2018, 07:41:26 AM
Well sh%$ now I'm thinking about the 338 wm. Thanks guys :chuckle:
Well, you’ve already got a 30/06, might as well step up to a 338.
Post by: N7XW on February 09, 2018, 07:44:22 AM
It's very tempting.Well sh%$ now I'm thinking about the 338 wm. Thanks guys :chuckle:
Well, you’ve already got a 30/06, might as well step up to a 338.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on February 09, 2018, 07:53:41 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 09, 2018, 08:12:26 AM
It's very tempting.Well sh%$ now I'm thinking about the 338 wm. Thanks guys :chuckle:
Well, you’ve already got a 30/06, might as well step up to a 338.
I like my 338 but I’m not sure I’d like it as much if I didn’t reload and had to buy factory ammo. The 300 WM has more factory ammo available and for less money than the 338. So that’s just something to consider.
Post by: Matth on February 09, 2018, 09:55:56 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on February 09, 2018, 10:04:34 AM
Or... pay more attention to bullet type/construction instead of caliber and go drop an elk. In all reality there isn't anything the 300 or 338 will do that a 7rm won't, on game.
Post by: N7XW on February 09, 2018, 10:39:56 AM
Post by: kselkhunter on February 09, 2018, 11:27:08 AM
Your 30-06 shooting 168gr Accubond Long Range factory ammo from Nosler should run ~2900 ft-lbs muzzle energy in a 24" barrel. Zero'd at 200yds, drops ~21 inches at 400 yards. Or go heavier with the 180 grain or 200 grain in 30-06 for closer in work. Plenty of power for an elk inside 300 yards.
Or if you really like the feel of your 30-06 rifle, and want to run bigger and more power you can get in the 3400 to 3500 ft-lbs muzzle energy by re-boring it to 338-06. Run 210, 225, or 250gr bullets for heavier stuff. Or run the 180gr Accubonds for shots out to 400+ yards. Cheaper than buying a new rifle.
If you do a lot of east side hunting or other states where it's very open range with many longer range shots >400 yards, then yeah a 300WM or one of the 338 calibers is a better option.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on February 09, 2018, 12:42:57 PM
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Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2018, 02:58:37 PM
In the respect I’d say don’t worry about it. Barrels really aren’t that much of a deal for a gun you already shoot a lot
Post by: jasnt on February 24, 2018, 06:39:18 PM
Post by: N7XW on February 24, 2018, 07:45:26 PM
:yeah: barrels are like tires. You go through more on a muscle carSo that being the case, what would be the easiest factory rifle to change barrels on if I wanted to do it myself? Savage 111 due to the barrel nut?
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 24, 2018, 07:52:30 PM
:yeah: barrels are like tires. You go through more on a muscle car
No matter the hobby/sport. You have to pay to play. :tup:
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Post by: spoonman on February 25, 2018, 05:48:00 AM
Well I ended up going with a new Winchester XPR 338 WM in Vias camo. Hopefully it won't be too bad of a teeth rattler off the bench.
Good choice. It won't be that bad. I actually don't think the 338wm is that bad when it comes to recoil. The 300wm has a much sharper recoil compared to the 338wm. 338wm is more of a shove than a sharp punch to the shoulder.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 25, 2018, 01:40:54 PM
Well I ended up going with a new Winchester XPR 338 WM in Vias camo. Hopefully it won't be too bad of a teeth rattler off the bench.Great choice - was surprised how affordable those are.
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Post by: mossyoak arrow slinger on February 25, 2018, 05:08:51 PM
An arrow is a better choice and much more fun.
Dilly dilly!!
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Post by: N7XW on February 25, 2018, 05:15:40 PM
That's pretty much what I've heard about the recoil comparison between the twoWell I ended up going with a new Winchester XPR 338 WM in Vias camo. Hopefully it won't be too bad of a teeth rattler off the bench.
Good choice. It won't be that bad. I actually don't think the 338wm is that bad when it comes to recoil. The 300wm has a much sharper recoil compared to the 338wm. 338wm is more of a shove than a sharp punch to the shoulder.
Post by: N7XW on February 25, 2018, 05:18:41 PM
The reviews are pretty good. They seem to be one of the better budget rifles. I liked them so much, I bought 4 of them - 270, 7mm08, 30-06 and 338.Well I ended up going with a new Winchester XPR 338 WM in Vias camo. Hopefully it won't be too bad of a teeth rattler off the bench.Great choice - was surprised how affordable those are.
Post by: N7XW on February 25, 2018, 05:19:43 PM
An arrow is a better choice and much more fun.
Dilly dilly!!
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To the pit of misery!! :chuckle: